SA soccer the 'laughing stock'

2011-11-08 13:13

Parliament - South Africa's national soccer team must stop being the laughing stock of sports, the acting chairman of Parliament's sports committee said on Tuesday.

"We must stop being laughing stock of sports... Look what has happened in Gabon," Mgolodi Dikgacwi told SA Football Association (SAFA) bosses.

"Under-preparation. This is a problem. In other countries this is not a problem."

The South African team recently failed to qualify for the Africa Nations Cup tournament to be held next year.

Dikgacwi told the soccer bosses: "We need to sort that thing out. In rugby that does not happen. It is only in soccer that this is happening. So I don't know what is what."

The SAFA delegation included deputy president Mwelo Nonkonyana and chief executive Robin Petersen.

Dikgacwi expressed concern over what he described as poor preparations by the under 23 and under 21 teams ahead of the 2014 Soccer World Cup in Brazil.

"We are not going to perform because the under 23 and 21s... they are the next Bafana Bafana," he said.

"If they don't get necessary exposure in time, we are going to be behind. If we want to do better in 2014 Brazil then preparations should start now."

Cope MP Graham McKenzie said it was "totally unacceptable" that South Africa, which would host the Africa Nations Cup, had failed to qualify for the tournament.

"Not only from a point of view of disappointment, but also there are massive implications for our country."

McKenzie said players had to be released from the Premier Soccer League to participate in the national team.

"We can't have a situation where some clubs release players and others don't," he said.

Nonkonyana told the committee SAFA had accepted joint responsibility for failing the nation.

"We didn't qualify. We have proffered our apology to the nation. We took collective responsibility. We reiterate today that apology."

Petersen said the key to having successful teams in future was to have a continuous pipeline of talented, well-developed players.

"We have commitment, we have plan and we are implementing that plan," he said.


  • Sallie - 2011-11-08 13:23

    How dear you spek the truth!!!!!!!!!

      Anthony - 2011-11-08 13:38

      just like the rest of the country

      dewald.galjaard - 2011-11-08 13:55

      Aww tis not so bad Mr. Dikgacwi. Have you eva seen Banyana Banyana? F*k my.

      Matthew - 2011-11-08 14:10

      Oh dear.

      Pieter - 2011-11-08 14:20

      Yes Add more White players to the team. I would say about 11 should do.

      nhamo.dzenyika - 2011-11-08 14:24

      typical of you white guys. you bash anything black. that is why i detest fellow blacks who join the bandwagon when you blast Malema

      Levett - 2011-11-08 14:28

      Truth is the ANC is the "laughing stock of democracy" and once that change more whites will play for BananaBanana & problem solved whether the ANC like it or not.

      Thandiwe - 2011-11-08 14:38

      @Nhamo. You form your political opinions based on what white people think of soccer? You must be pretty stupid! Malema is an idiot who could increase unemployment in this country - I barely know a South African of any colour who like him. In terms of sport, it is obvious that the wider a net is cast, the more likely it is we will have good teams.

      Christo - 2011-11-08 16:27

      Thandiwe, you go girl!!

      Jeff - 2011-11-09 12:37

      They suck because they do not choose the best team. Period.

  • Houtskool - 2011-11-08 13:25

    yes, please stop. malema hates competition.

  • Freddie Smit - 2011-11-08 13:28

    Blame it on apartheid...

      Michael - 2011-11-08 16:27

      Oh please @Freddie :p For starters they need a decent coach - somebody who won't put up with ill-discipline. If it must be a local, there are far better coaches available with better technical skills AND who understand the rules :p

      Hans - 2011-11-09 07:36

      Freddie, I own a pub in Durban and show all sports on big screen. You will not believe the support soccer receives from my White patrons who are the majority in my pub. I even have white patrons who have season tickets to Moses Mabida stadium for clubs like Amazulu. They not only support European soccer but local soccer too.You would think that rugby is all they watch, you would be wrong.The problem is that the government wants to keep it Black. Therein lies all your problems.

  • Frank - 2011-11-08 13:28

    Now blame it on apartheid. It's the right thing to do...

      Craig - 2011-11-08 19:04

      Yep, 17 years is not enuff time to develop talent.

  • Graham.Cooper2 - 2011-11-08 13:29

    What amazes me is that we were able to choose from maybe four million people to create the twice winning world rugby squad and the soccer people cannot put together a winning team from 40 million plus people, something is wrong. Who can the ANC now blame.

      Mongi - 2011-11-08 13:51

      what amazes me is that you are able to take the most random topic and make it about racial demographics! seriously is there nothing else in that head of yours? do you have no other opinions besides the indoctrination that you received as a child.

      Mahomed - 2011-11-08 13:54

      u need to look at how many 'white' schools encourage sport to be taken seriously and then look at how many 'black' schools encourage sport to be taken seriously. i think thats the main issue. we will always produce brilliant cricket and rugby players due to the structures at these schools.

      Kosie - 2011-11-08 14:04

      @mahomed: so whose problem is it that the structures are not there? it is your country now,you run it.if the structures is not there don't blame the white man, blame yourself.

      peter.j.jones1 - 2011-11-08 14:32

      @Kosie You should try reading Mahomed's contribution again. He is not pushing an anti-white point here; rather he is telling the 'black' schools to encourage sports.

      Ron - 2011-11-08 15:05

      @SND Burn the schools down that you are given, destroy things if they don't suit you, Now HTF can a coach try and teach in those environments. Can you guys not see that dictation does not work. The only hope left for SA is for racist minds to clear and forget the past and stop bringing it up, and work together on the future. then just maybe we will have good sports teams.

      Chrono - 2011-11-09 10:12

      Rugby is a very small sport. There are perhaps 8 competitive international teams. If you consider that then Bafana's position on the list of best teams is actually quite good.

  • Tjaart - 2011-11-08 13:31

    "Dikgacwi told the soccer bosses: "We need to sort that thing out. In rugby that does not happen. It is only in soccer that this is happening. So I don't know what is what." Wha ha ha ha!! Just loving it in the circus!

  • Priyal - 2011-11-08 13:34

    Safa really needs to catch a wake up. Pathetic really. Where is the development? Barely a year after the WCup and our players will be watching the Afcon on tv. Even Egypt who were in the midst of a revolution had a better chance.

      Giuliano - 2011-11-08 13:49

      whats happened to the money that was supposed to be used for development,STOLEN, get serious people involved , irrespective of colour . people who have a passion for the game and want to see the youth grow

  • Patrick - 2011-11-08 13:35

    Throw some white people in there, we haven't tried that yet...

      Enockay - 2011-11-08 14:37

      you speak like there's a whole lot of whiteys waiting to be given a chance in our national team, coz we hardly see them at club level?

      Patrick - 2011-11-08 14:57

      @Enockay - Fair point i must say, however, whenever a "whitey" does make into club level they're generally ignored completely. Or in the case of Mr Booth, used to promote an event and then left out of the team! It's like fighting an uphill battle. One could also argue why aren't there any programs promoting football to us "whiteys"? What is the government doing for us? You see all these football development programs, both government run and NGO run all catering for people of color, where are the programs for "whitey"? Personally i feel it be particularly unfair to keep saying things like "We need more black Sharks" and "We need for black Springboks", where are the white Bafana players? However, at the end of the day, who's to blame for this beautiful debate? The government!

  • ruben.maistry - 2011-11-08 13:36

    How about some affirmative action. Quota's? Unfortunately I do not believe in both. Merit is what is needed in ALL departments.

  • Ernst - 2011-11-08 13:44

    Soccer is a crap game that gets way too much attentian and coverage.

      gdearnaley - 2011-11-08 14:00

      Soccer/Football is working class ballet my friend! 11 artists on either team painting on the same canvas! It is the opium of the masses - no other sport comes close! But you might not understand...

      Craig - 2011-11-08 14:16

      And your an idiot who should be commenting on jukskei or volkspeler.

      Houtskool - 2011-11-08 14:57

      thats Volkspele ingrate

      Ian - 2011-11-09 09:30

      you are such a moron , sport is amazing ........ its probably a crap game to you because you got NO ball skills chop!

      Ernst - 2011-11-09 15:35

      @Ian: lol

  • Kevin - 2011-11-08 13:50

    Zero transformation so please do not blame the Whites ,Coloureds or Indians .We invented the ball. Surely you can kick it on your own.

      Musa - 2011-11-08 14:03

      What is your point? White mentality indeed.

      Dhirshan - 2011-11-08 16:14

      lol guys calm down, as an indian i can be objective and say : we just do not have the talent at the moment in soccer, no matter what race. also, gavin hunt should be coach and players like teko and fat kagiso etc. are being picked on reputation. safa needs an overhaul, period!

      princesspuffypants - 2011-11-08 17:00

      @sndashe - we claim we invented 'stuff' because we have... name one useful invention - actually make that any invention - from a black person from South Africa... I rest my case!

  • John - 2011-11-08 13:52

    If they practiced set pieces and attacks, they would get more goals. The only thing I see Banana Banana practising dance routines to celebrate the goals they never get.

  • Ashley - 2011-11-08 13:56

    you cant blame them , they come from disatvantged back grounds . thanks to the previous government

  • betsie.ackerman - 2011-11-08 13:57

    No ways! The rugby sevens and their new nappy outfits took first prize in becoming the laughing stock!

  • Lauden Kirk - 2011-11-08 13:59

    It's not about race or money it's about our attitude and how we are two faced and we have our selves to blame. We like sheep and the gov is like big fat greedy pigs. It has a chain reaction. Let's be leading example not a laughing stock.

  • gdearnaley - 2011-11-08 14:02

    I think we would all love to hear Chief Executive Robin Petersen tell us more about the plan and the implementation thereof... Not sure about all these 'race' comments! If players are good enough, they will get picked, our problem is that our players are not good enough! The big question is 'why'?

  • - 2011-11-08 14:07

    Everyone had so much to say during the RWC and got P.Divvy under fire. But at least we reached the QF's. The national cricket team is also critisized often for a lack of performance. But we are still in the top 4 teams in World cricket. Bafana cant even qualify for a tournament. Its a disgrace. Soccer is "supposedly" the biggest sport in the country. Now if everyone is so soccer crazy in SA, shouldnt it reflect in the performance as well?

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  • chiepner - 2011-11-08 14:29

    SAFA had a plan for the past 10 years and still they seem to grow ever more incompetent. Maybe some younger blood with new ideas should replace the greedy little fosils upstairs which can bring in new ideas and more fire than those corrupt administrators sitting back and getting nice fat checks and bonusses for running the sport into the ground.

  • Dalai - 2011-11-08 14:36

    Where is transformation in soccer? The team is pitch black and prone to misinterpreting regulations and rules of competitions. Where are guys from Cape Flats, Chatsworth and Welkom? It certainly is not as representative of the racial dynamics of the country?

  • Winifred - 2011-11-08 14:36

    the problem being that these guy believe they are in the circus. Time to grow up and realize the game is there to be played and not clowning around. Those who want to clown around send them to the circus.

  • Se-a Spencer Ikeremm - 2011-11-08 14:45

    totally true! Bafana are a joke. They're poor performance has brought me to a decision just recently to stop even watching the PSL. Why watch a league that generates players for a failure of a national team? these boys can't even make simple long range pass. But people should stop comparing them with the Boks and Proteas, it's totally unfair, last time i checked these teams don't even have to go through WC qualifiers. Football can never be put in the same bracket as Rugby & Cricket for the mere fact that everything is more difficult to archieve in Football because it is played by almost every nation on earth. But that is no excuse why Bafana aren't no.1 in Africa. If our politicians would just stop taking the money for themselves and do what we voted them in for! South Africa has the best facilities in Africa, we are in the best position to bring out the best talent on this continent. it's time Football enjoy the same structures as Rugby and Cricket- start these kids out from an early age, make it mandatory that every school has a team, develop competitions, make Football bursaries available for varsities, In fact, now that i'm busy typing this, i realise that i would suggest our minister take the American way with football.

  • Tyron - 2011-11-08 15:30

    Umm... to the uninformed "white" posters, check out who the Chief Exec is. Happens to a whitey *whisper*. Don't get me wrong, I happen to think the PSL is a joke, and our administration shocking, but when the people at the top are black and white, best shed the ignorance, do some research and come up with a constructive arguement! This was actually a pleasing piece of news becuase a politician was making some sense and asking hard questions. As a country we need soccer, it is our national sport and can keep the kids off the streets and in the schools.

      John - 2011-11-08 21:21

      Tyron The problem is that soccer is not played as a organized structured sport in the black scools; they run around, no ref, sometimes even playing possession without goals... Teachers treat sports as a free period and disappear...

  • sndashe - 2011-11-08 15:44

    @Houtskool - Good for you, be as rascist as you want in your life it does do anything to me cause whether you like it or not, i'm one of those black people who will continue to be succesfull in all that i do and guess what i have never worked for goverment, i have never been to jail and i too am a hard worker. fact is there are Afrikaans and then the are english people are together it somes up white people. i anit rascist but guet one thing straight i aint hiding in no corner i dont fear you and no you will never be me or amount to be, maybe you are used to your garden boy and you think that is me, you mistaken i one black person who has evolved to becoming something greater than what your dead grand father feared from a black men, i'm the future of what one black people will be - educated, embitious, corruption free, raised with morals n values. so get this right go jump in hell nad hopefully follow your uncle , father , leader Eugen T in that hole he is in cause people like you dont deserve to be in this world. just to show you, that you are coward you are faceless, you pretend to black people and you dont show who you really are. i'm standing here proud to preach and debate and speak my mind without hiding in no colour. i wish you bump to those black people who are like you - rascist and they do to you what you deserve cause openly i hate people like you. before you judge rather read all the comments that have been posted by white people and see where i come from.

      Patrick - 2011-11-08 16:39

      Just throwing it out there, but by showing equal hatred to someone, anyone in fact, you are no better than the person you are condemning. With regards to becoming educated and evolving etc and becoming the future of black people everywhere, good for you, keep doing that, i wish you nothing but success, i just ask you to please remember that the world has become the place it is today through the travesties of the past, with great power comes great responsibility (such a cliche i know) and if I'm right many many many of us white folk are terrified of being blamed for what our "forefathers" did. And to that i ask, is it morally correct to blame someone for something that someone they never even met or knew did? Should i blame you for your ancestors wiping the bushmen off the face of the planet, no, i shouldn't because it makes no sense! I love the way people say that to me and my ancestors are Welsh! We only came here in 1996, my hands are clean of blood but i get blamed anyway. I'm scared that the "evolved" black men of the future will destroy every white man for sins committed by people in scenarios we had no control over, what's scarier is how people seem to think it's justified. But like i said before, good for you, keep doing what you're doing and do it well.

      John - 2011-11-08 21:35

      Eugene Terreblanche changed after being in jail. He met normal black people and was not involved with the AWB anymore. He also claimed to have become a Christian. So in the end he set a good example. Are you going to be like the white americans, who voted for a black president? I am daring you to vote for a white president! Why not? are black south africans MORE racist than american whites? Is there not a white politician who you can trust? I am so sorry there are not more black people like you, because there are over 30 Million Africans living in Europe, receiving social services like free houses, free transport, free hospital, free school, they must come here and be oppressed exploited and genocided by black governments, like us.

  • nhamo.dzenyika - 2011-11-08 15:50

    Thandiwe, you can't be serious, you say you don't know any person of colour that like Malema. He is the president of ANCYL for goodness sake. Zuma is president of anc because he was chosen by the majority, so is malema.

  • Mathew - 2011-11-08 15:57

    Man oh man, wow, its amazing how everything has to be turned into a political thing between whites and blacks. This is not about colour, this is about our soccer team not performing, the commitment they had in the 2010 world cup has gone, they are moire committed to playing for overseas clubs. The guys need to have more pride in their nation, gel together and aim for the same goal.

  • Patrick - 2011-11-08 16:00

    Remember boys and girls: Not all white people are racist, in the same token not all black people are not racist.

  • lasherza - 2011-11-08 16:02

    SA Soccer IS a disgrace - How is it that our national rugby and cricket teams have reached the pinnacle of the rankings? when there are far fewer participants for these sports. This can only be down to mis-managment and poor preparation. There's NO excuse!. This country has the talent to be in the top 10 in the world at very least. Cmon SAFA pull ur finger out!!!

      mbossenger - 2011-11-08 16:12

      er, have you seen what's going on with CSA lately?

      Gcwabe.KaMavovo - 2011-11-08 16:19

      Dude that's an awfully dof argument. It's far easier to reach the top when there are fewer competitors. That's why the national rugby and cricket sides from SA are generally been near the top. Football is just far more competitive and to make it in even the top 30 takes a lot.

      Tyron - 2011-11-08 16:27

      @Gcwabe-KaMavovo, no dude!! We won AFCON in 94 and qualified for France 98 on merit and have steadily declined year on year from there! We are 49th in the world and 8th in Africa. That is shocking for a sport with massive support, players, funding, etc. Don't accept mediocrity. Sport is a global game with more players than cricket, rugby, etc. but as our national sport, expect more, NO, DEMAND more!

      Gcwabe.KaMavovo - 2011-11-08 16:41

      Tyron, I'm fully aware that our standards have dropped and it's not something to be proud of. However I was just pointing out how silly his comparison with rugby and cricket is in terms of participants. I too would like us to get back to the top 20 in the world, but I think we must accept that it'll require a lot of hard work. Many sides have improved dramatically and the game is just more proffessional elsewhere.

      nhamo.dzenyika - 2011-11-08 20:46

      rugby and cricket is played by a few countries while soccer is a truly universal sport Mr Patrick!! so you cannot compare cricket, rugby to soccer

  • Gcwabe.KaMavovo - 2011-11-08 16:29

    The issue about race is rather unfortunate. Football in SA has been transformed since the early 80s, where black and white could play side by side. When we eventually found our way back into international football in the 90s, there were always white players in the side. From your Shane McGregors to your Toveys, Tinkler, Gavin Lane, Batchelor, De Sa, Steve Crowley, and many others. They were there fully on merit and the fans loved them. There's been a general decline in football participation within the white population in the past decade or so, and that means the pool of white players is quite small at the moment. I'm also not happy about this, and I wish interest could go up again. I especially liked our tall central defenders like Gavin Lane and Neil Tovey.

      Gcwabe.KaMavovo - 2011-11-09 07:48

      Yes Marge, at club level participation is pretty low. I think you can draw a parallel with rugby here. At school level there's a fair number of black boys that participate, and you only have to look at your typical Glenwood vs Maritzburg college fixture. After school though quite a number of them simply lose interest and pursue other things, leaving the pool of black players very small.

  • Marcelo - 2011-11-08 17:42

    Argentina and Germany do have the best youth development structures in the world. In fact Argentina boasts having the most under 21/20/17 Youth Fifa World Championships under its belt despite the fact that Argentina's senior football sucks at the present moment. Having said that, South Africa should actually go to Argentina and Germany to get feedback from both countries.

  • Lekgwakgwa - 2011-11-08 17:46

    I thank that South Africans we are good enough because every one fail us is mistaken if he make apology is good, to me all SAFA committee must resign and Pitso Mosimane how can tell the boys the must defend when the play at home also SAFA no one is looking the law of soccer in the country and outside the make Bafana Bafana celebrate after the game I thank minister of sports ask the hole committee to resign come 2014 we are not going to Brazil.

  • Craig - 2011-11-08 19:08

    Only the governing bodies are laughing. (All the way to the bank) The rest of us hope the next lot of administrators will be better...

  • Abdulhay - 2011-11-08 19:20

    It is not about colour. We lack the skill to compete with the best in the world. What is lacking is development at grass roots level which is not effective. Forget about Bafunny Banana, we need to work on the youngsters by developing them in acadamies that concentrate on soccer and education.

  • John - 2011-11-08 20:59

    The bananas- bananas!

  • HagenDan - 2011-11-08 22:20

    Wait, what happened in Gabon?

      Gcwabe.KaMavovo - 2011-11-09 07:50

      We failed to qualify for Gabon. It didn't even happen.

  • HagenDan - 2011-11-08 22:28

    ...and a big shout out to all the folks who dragged race and politics into this one from the get-go! Well played! Way to rise above playing the race card and whinging like that stoopid Malema oke 'ey? And what the hell, why hasn't Bafana won 2 world cups like the Springboks? I mean it's totally the same thing right? Gawd. *facepalm*

  • sidney.gilroy - 2011-11-09 07:50

    What is what ? Overpaid and under-trained. Easy as that sir.

  • mdneef - 2011-11-09 08:26

    they said it on tv this morning!!! its a SA problem, once you have a "job" you dont have to try any more!!!

  • mdneef - 2011-11-09 08:27

    they (a black spokesperson) blatantly said it on tv! its a SA problem! once you have a "job" you dont have to try any more!!! Wonder where that mindset originates

  • Nathi - 2011-11-09 10:34

    SAFA needs to follow in the footsteps of SARFU where national players are contracted to them first before the clubs. That way clubs have no choice but to release players for national duty.

  • Louissventer - 2011-11-09 21:13

    Difference between number 1 in rugby and number 1 in soccer is that about 6 nations play rugby seriously while about 6 nations does not play soccer seriously. The level of competition in soccer is therefore way stronger than in rugby. Given that reality, Bafana is doing ok. Off course everything can improve and what we need is positive debate not racial banter. I would have loved to see Afrikaans schools add soccer as a school sport. My boys are ardent Pirates supporters and love soccer, but they have can only play Rugby at school. Wish someone would address this.

  • Virginia - 2011-11-10 16:46

    Yes please we need a soccer team to be pround of, start recuiting other racial groups then you will see you soccer thrive in SA. Our Bafana team is too spoilt, and while you about it change the board as well.

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