Vuvuzelas find no rugby love

2010-07-16 14:17

Cape Town - As rugby reclaims its usual place on South Africa's back pages, administrators countrywide are determined to ensure that the controversial vuvuzela plays no part in the sport's post-Soccer World Cup future.

The noisy plastic trumpet was a major talking point at the soccer extravaganza but it has since been banned from most rugby venues, including Soccer City, the stadium that hosted last Sunday's World Cup final and awaits the Springboks next month.

South Africa will play New Zealand's All Blacks in a Tri-Nations match at the renamed 88 000-seater National Stadium on August 21 after the local Golden Lions Rugby Union decided to move the match from their regular home of Ellis Park.

"We've done research and the feedback from players and match officials is that it's very difficult to communicate with the vuvuzela," Golden Lions president Kevin de Klerk said.

"I know there's still a lot of sentiment around. It's not a personal thing but that's how it stands at this stage in time."

That view appears to be echoed around South Africa's rugby venues, with Cape Town's Newlands having already banned the vuvuzela from last month's Test against France. When De Klerk's Golden Lions play Western Province there in a provincial Currie Cup match on Saturday, fans will be greeted by numerous signboards displaying: "No vuvuzelas. No musical instruments".

Despite the vuvuzela's absence, De Klerk said rugby had to embrace the soccer World Cup's legacy in order to survive, starting with utilising the stadiums built for the tournament.

Ellis Park is the spiritual home of the Springboks and was the scene of the 1995 World Cup victory over the All Blacks, but the venue's ageing state and its location in a run-down part of Johannesburg's business district have become negative factors.

"Ellis Park is the field of dreams, it's where the 1995 World Cup was won but time moves on, unfortunately," said De Klerk, a feared lock forward who played 13 Tests between 1974 and 1981.

"There's great sentiment and a great history. I understand it more than most because I started playing there in 1968 as a schoolboy but we've listened to our fans."


  • Vuvu WAM - 2010-07-16 14:29

    And that is why Rugby will not be a Proudly SA sport and will stay marginalised in this great country of ours. This is the same old .... that did nothing to promote the game in SA after being crowned world champs. What do you think would have happened in SA won the SWC. The vuvu haters were a small party of individual fat cats like benni. You are missing the opportunity to unite SA you couple of baffoons. But then your track record in SA proves it. Maybe a scandal like ASA will finally get rid of you.

  • Graham - 2010-07-16 14:34

    Great news!! Keep this gaumless, offensive piece of garbage out of rugby stadiums.

  • Priester - 2010-07-16 14:46

    There is a place and time for everything. Rugby matches are not the place for vuvu's. Let us respect our soccer community and allow them their Vuvu’s but keep them out of the rugby stadia for obvious reasons. Blou Bul groete!

  • Truds - 2010-07-16 14:56

    I agree with Kevin de Klerk on both accounts. Big no-no for vuvu's at the rugby matches, but big yes in using the beautiful stadiums! We'll have to put sentiment to one side and use what our tax monies bought us!... I have to admid thought that I'll miss the braais before the matches... Sigh!

  • hasie - 2010-07-16 15:06

    Weereens baie bly!!!!! Daar is nie plek vir die gemors in rugby nie, dit vat al die atmosfeer weg!!! Sokker ondersteuners hou van 'n samedromming en geraas om hulle, hulle kan maar voortgaan met dit!!!!

  • GB - 2010-07-16 15:13

    Ban the VUVU...noisy thing!! And so the demolishment of all our loved Rugby stadiums start. Boet Erasmus gone. Ellis Park gone, Soon to go will be Kings Park, in Durban, then Newlands. All that history will soon be parking areas. But I guess this is the future. New stadiums need to be used, and seeing they can't make enough money out of them showcasing only soccer, they need to have us, the rugby fans help them pay the costs and maintenance!! Wonder what tickets to a rugby test will cost now? Oh least we still have rugby....something no person can ever take matter where I watch

  • @Vuvu Wam - 2010-07-16 15:14

    Vuvuzelas are gonna help unite SA??? Lol

  • Marcus Daily - 2010-07-16 15:16

    So let me get this, the rest of the football playing world (The 32 countries on the SWC) had fans blowing on the vuvu, there was even a blowing contest in Amsterdam. But, Rugby not even a treasured international sport with about 10 countries decides to hell with this object. Its this kind of attitude from rugby adminstrators, players and fans that will ensure we never see thousands of supporters of all races meeting up in Sandton to show support.

  • Idea - 2010-07-16 15:18

    Can we not keep just ONE vuvu to shove it up Man in Black's @ss? Maybe his NZ boykies will like him again afterwards???

  • Wal - 2010-07-16 15:21

    Vuvu WAM, are you a WUM or do you really belief your sad excuse for a point of view? You argue that the banning from rugby (a global game that reveres singing and applause) of a piece of chinese-made plastic (that has only recently become part of SA's soccer culture), warrants approbrium and vilification! Declining t0 thrust centuries of culture aside because a tuneless horn has become popular says much for the rugby authorities. Its not PC (and even may be considered rascist) to declare a dislike for the vuvuzela, but I'm not a fan

  • No Vuvu in Rugby - 2010-07-16 15:24

    @Vuvu WAM. ABSOLUTE BULL CRAP !!!! Mate the payers and the refs are the ones that are against it as they cannot communicate properly on the field. Do you even watch rugby? I doubt it, you just jumped on the Vuvu Wagon have we. In soccer there is no communication, no calls, so you vuvu blowers can have a blast. It is NOT a rugby culture. We respect your soccer culture so respect our rugby culture or else: Get lost !!! Thank you rugby administrators, because now we can watch the game in peace and hear the ref!

  • Nick Armstrong - 2010-07-16 15:25

    This is rubbish! The SWC has left us with a magnificent legacy in so many spheres of life - an expression of our beautiful collective Human Spirit - and the vuvuzela has been a fundamental part of this coming together as a nation. It's ours. It's Africa's. Other teams may hate it - so what - SO WHAT??? Welcome to our home, our sporting culture. Can we ask the All Blacks to stop the Haka? Or the fans at Waikato Stadium not to ring their cow bells, or sound their chain-saws? No. Ask Victor Matfield how awesome the experience was - beating the Crusaders at Orlando Stadium - with the vuvu's in full cry. Lovely stuff! Again - our limp-wristed administrators bow-down to the whims of visiting teams (I thought that was just a malady at the WPRFU). The people of Soweto must blow their horns baby... Do these decrepit tossers running our game not realise what a unifying balm the vuvu has been??? White and black - together blowing our horn - to support our national teams. Beautiful stuff. But - no - along must come these administrator nerds - to take that all away... I have a message for these rubbishes at SARU and any other union so inclined: WAKE UP - you're missing the bigger picture... Ahhhh - wait - alas - they're too stupid to see any bigger picture...

  • @ Vuvu WAM - 2010-07-16 15:26

    Rugby team = 2 time champs. Soccer team = 0. Now you claim that rugby isn't a proudly SA sport. Please get your facts straight. Although Bafana made me proud when they won against France it cannot be compared to SA's rugby team's achievements and if soccer is proudly South African why do we need to wait for the WC to see the bigger teams play in SA?

  • Tim - 2010-07-16 15:28

    I agree with no vuvuzelas at rugby, but the fact that they talking about stadiums moving etc is rubbish. Ellis Park has just undergone an upgrade and they have really cleaned up the area around the stadium. It will be a disgrace if they allow Ellis Park to go to ruin. I for one have never had a problem there and neither have the numerous people I know who go and watch rugby there ever had a problem. Ask all the internationals teams where their least favourite venue to play is and they all say Ellis Park and now we want to throw away that advantage?

  • sadddened patriot - 2010-07-16 15:37

    The vuvuzela is a symboland sound of natioanl unity and pride...pride in successfully hosting the 2010 Football World Cup in Africafor the first time ever, much like shosholoza is synonymous with the 1995 Wold Cup Rugby victory. For someone to ban the vuvuzela at rugby matches is the equivalent of banning the brass band at the cricket in Port Elizabeth or singing at sport matches or bagpipes at a Scottish football or rugby match or whistles, or drums and Carribbean musical instruments at the West Indies cricket matches or the loud music and dancers at 20/20 cricket! you do our nation a disservice.If someone doesnt likethe vuvu (and there will always be someone who says so), to ignore the very ingredient of nation building and unity it represents for the benefit of a few naysayers is ridiculous especially as you havent even gauged the opinion of the sporting public in general on the topic.

  • Josh - 2010-07-16 15:38

    this is a sad day. a sad day indeed and a day we move a few steps back in time! The national pride at hosting the World Cup will shine long brighter than the football itself or any rugby match. The world too stood still and took turns drinking from that beautiful Calabash that is Soccer City, while pouring over every thrilling page from the great South African book. With an international audience in the billions, interest in this country (and continent) has never been greater. It was not so much about the inspiring and amazing stadiums, world-class infrastructures, near perfect organisation. Not so much about the soccer itself, the players and the cup so emotionally fought for... I believe it has been about the people! The people of a country, and following that, the people of a continent. It has been about individuals shouting together, about the warm embrace shown to all our visitors. It was and is about unifying; in the most significant and all-encompassing way... We were divided, Then united, Then divided, And are now strongly united once more! It was (and still is) emotionally beautiful, exciting, goose bumps, lump in the throat stuff! Can any of us begin to imagine the feeling Madiba must have felt as he moved around the field of that magnificent Calabash of a stadium? The stadium that night (and every other before then) –heaving with delight at what has been achieved –the story of a true African Diaspora. We all, of course, felt it too… proudly standing together and cheering the protagonist of that, and so many other stories told. This was a true theatre, with the most magnificent play unfolding in front of our very eyes. We should all be inspired, I am inspired! Ke nako, it is Africa’s time! Never silence the African energy! Never silence the african voice! Never silence the vuvuzela! -THE WORLD HAS EMRACED IT -WHY ARE WE NOT!!!

  • Jo - 2010-07-16 15:56

    Rugby is missing out on an opportunity! If they want to continue to grow the sport to attract all South Africans to the games, then they will have to move with the times or get left behind! Don't know what the difference is between communication in soccer vs communication in rugby?! If the officials coped in the WC, then what's wrong with the rugby officials! Me thinks I'll go to football matches instead of rugby from now on - much more "gees" there! If the rugby fans at least sang or chanted I could understand - but everyone just sits there & hopefully a try is scored at some stage for a little cheer! Boring....

  • SA Supporter - 2010-07-16 15:59

    well said Josh. The entire world has embraced the vuvuzela. It is not a black thing. If you look at the SWC, majority of the crowd, irrespective of race, age or sex had a vuvuzela. Only in SA Rugby and New Zealand is it banned. If Rugby wants isolate themselves from the people of the country, then they can keep the Rugby matched to the selected few. I will stick to my football and other sports were the supporters are not told what ot do.

  • Solo - 2010-07-16 16:00

    The Vuvuzela was king at Orlando Stadium for two weekends in a row and brought the Bulls the Super 14 title. It was an awesome atmosphere for an historic event and all you supporters who support the ban of the Vuvuzela are stuck in the past. This is taking a step back for SA Rugby....let the rugby fans decide, not conservative backward administrators!

  • pom - 2010-07-16 16:00

    Re the Vuvuzelas, talking to the rest of the world's fans, where Vuvuzelas aren't tolerated, my understanding is that the more intelligent sports fans prefer to be allowed to concentrate on their team's performance and the game they're watching, whether it be rugby, ice hockey, baseball or whatever. They pay good money to watch their teams rather than listen to people playing with children's toys. That's why you won't find these toys anywhere else on the globe.

  • Linz - 2010-07-16 16:02

    Really? The officials and players don't want vuvuzela's at rugby because it makes communication difficult! Well, suck it up - the lot of you!! What about the paying customer? Without the fans, there is no rugby! What happened about continuing the legacy of the Bulls Super 14 match at Orlando Stadium?

  • moabi - 2010-07-16 16:03

    In case most of you forgot, Soccer City/National Stadium/Calabash is not a Rugby Stadium. Take the game to Ellis Park.

  • mysticBoer - 2010-07-16 16:09

    I'm sorry but I don't share the sentiment that the Vuvuzela is a tool of unification in a country as diverse as ours. The controversy surrounding the "instrument" (an instrument normally has more than one note doesn't it?) is just too much to every truly unify us. In fact, it just diversifies us even more. Imagine the crowd trying to sing 'Olé olé' to the Boks while this constant drone is also present in the stadium. You'd harldy hear it. Or what about 'Prooooovince...' and 'Die bloubul' at Newlands and Loftus respectively? I for one, have nothing against the Vuvuzela itself. I have something against people who find it neccesary (and think they're very cool in doing so...wake up, you're not!) to blow this right next to me in all sorts of places, including pubs and other public areas.

  • Rugby Supporter - 2010-07-16 16:09

    They cannot have vuvuzela's at rugby matches because they won't hear line-out calls, etc.

  • stompies - 2010-07-16 16:18

    What rubbish! How can a peice of plastic made with western tecnology (in china of all places) be a true african heritage? Why dont we then claim the Whabenzi as such also? How about the beautifull voices of africa, especially our black peoples. That is enough to give one goosebumps and that would be TRUE heritage!!!

  • @josh - 2010-07-16 16:22

    Blah blah blah. shut up already. Now because the world cup had the vuvuzela everything has to have it as well rubbish. Cricket world cup didnt, rugby world cup didnt. why must we change just because now if somebody says South africa everyone thinks vuvuzela now we must be proud of it. The world has not embraced it, footall fans have, big difference.

  • VLS - 2010-07-16 16:24

    Can people please stop assuming that all black South Africans like vuvuzela's? I have watched live sport in this country for over 20 years (and I am black) and these nonsensical vuvuzela's are NOT a traditional part of South African soccer. Why then try to force them into rugby? I, and many of my black friends, regulalry attend rugby matches and we love the sport for what it is. We don't need or want vuvuzela's in rugby stadiums, PERIOD. If people will only start supporting a sport because it allows them to blow a noisy instrument then I say we don't need such fans. Let the rest of us who enjoy watching sport (and not making a brainless racket) enjoy the sport in peace.

  • Preston - 2010-07-16 16:25

    I have attended 8 of the FIFA soccer World Cup Matches inlcuding the Opening, QF,SF and Final and i can assurred that without the Vuvuzela, the atmosphere would have been greatly reduced. I guess Rugby Union does not have progressive mind and will bow under pressure from the rest of the Rugby World. The Vuvuzela could be our defence for the HAKA (think about this O Ceasar)

  • justin - 2010-07-16 16:26

    I do not know how a noisy instrument can unite a nation. keep the vuvu at the soccer.

  • VLS - 2010-07-16 16:27

    Can people please stop assuming that all black South Africans like vuvuzela's? I have watched live sport in this country for over 20 years (and I am black) and these nonsensical vuvuzela's are NOT a traditional part of South African soccer. Why then try to force them into rugby? I, and many of my black friends, regulalry attend rugby matches and we love the sport for what it is. We don't need or want vuvuzela's in rugby stadiums, PERIOD. If people will only start supporting a sport because it allows them to blow a noisy instrument then I say we don't need such fans. Let the rest of us who enjoy watching sport (and not making a brainless racket) enjoy the sport in peace.

  • Khosi - 2010-07-16 16:31

    There is NO stadium called The National Stadium in this country. The stadium is called SOCCER CITY. At Soccer City, vuvuzelas are allowed. We cannot let these rugby administrators think they can take over the sentimental home of our football.

  • AB - 2010-07-16 16:31

    I think the fact of the matter is that vuvuzelas are damaging to our ears.It is a proven fact that they are louder than a jet taking off.Why should we have to endure something which will permanantly damage our ears.If a neighbour was creating such a noise we would call the police.If they are allowed to persist we will all regret it in the future. Please let sanity prevail.

  • Greg - 2010-07-16 16:32

    @JOSH: Which world do you live in that has embraced the Vuvuzela? A world wide survey has been carried on various websites to gauge the feeling of what people think about the Vuvuzela and so far more than 80% do like it. Rugby is a gentlemans sport not a hooligan sport like the other ball game.

  • Brian Van Rooyen former President SA Rugby - 2010-07-16 16:37

    Iam shocked yet not surprised A SAD DAY INDEED.Yes this decision will take us u huge step backwards.

  • Nick - 2010-07-16 16:37

    You bloody agents!! You touch me on my vuvuzela!!

  • Nick Armstrong - 2010-07-16 16:38

    @ Josh - beautifull put mate! My sentiments, as expressed earlier, exactly. The vuvu has played a fundamental role in unifying our country - in embodying all our magnificence - helping us to break-through that which was threatening to drown us in the months before... WAKE UP SARU! Rugby is my game - and we've had our diffrences in the past with other sporting codes. That time is over. I Love my country, and all our peoples. We must UNITE behind everything that is South African, that is African - and the world must accept - THIS IS HOW WE DO IT IN SOUTH AFRICA - when they come to our shores... :) Viva South Africa! Viva Mzansi! Viva Bokke! Viva Bafana Bafana! Viva the Proteas! :)

  • JOHN DU PREEZ - 2010-07-16 16:40

    Rugby is about the fans, not the officials or even the players. If we dont watch at the stadium, or on tv and buy their tshirt these fat cats + players would be broke. Bottom line its about you and I the fan. The vuvu has united South Africans during the fifa rip off, we all blew to a unified tune (albeit noise). I personally hate a single vuvu blowing and often want to take a pot shot at our moron neighbour who blows one at 2am BUT having been to Orlando, Bulls vs Crusaders and vs Stormers the loud sound to our (Bulls) advantage brought a huge grin to my face and in that moment it sounded wonderful. lets not be fuddy duddys and seal the vuvu as part of our local home ground advantage. If its too loud old people, switch your hearing aid off.

  • Ian - 2010-07-16 16:44

    Hooray! Has nothing to do with Unity, it is an offensive racket. Next, get the bands and noise out of cricket stadia.

  • GoodTimes - 2010-07-16 16:44

    @GB : They , They ??????? Us ..Us ??????? Sounds like you're from another planet dude.Who are "they" and "us" Get a life and realise that you're in Mzansi now. Nothing will ever be the same in life. Times change and you must too !!! Good times are here !! You wanna go to a soccer stadium , Rename it and then ban the VUVU ? In your dreams . Loftus was never renamed to suit Soccer !! I guess some people never learn.

  • Nick Armstrong - 2010-07-16 17:02

    @ John du Preez - well put, too, sir! :) @ Brian van Rooyen - can you not still wield any influence over these stupid idiots at SARU and the GLRU...??? Please, please people - the vuvu is here to stay in all our sports (except cricket obviously). WAKE UP SARU!! Don't shipwreck the dream... This is how we do it from now on in SA... The FIFA SWC has heralded a new dawn... We can create a new future - it's up to us - each and every single one of us, collectively - to 'walk through the door' - and make it happen... :)

  • Pissed off! - 2010-07-16 17:03

    Screw the VUVU and to hell with the Soccer City. That stadium has to be one of the ugliest things I have ever seen. It seriously looks as if it needs a roll of toilet paper and a news paper to read, to make it useable. I think SA did a great job with the Soccer World cup, but we did an even better job with the rugby world cup (and we won with a multiracial side unlike the one that just lost the soccer). As for turning the old stadiums into car parks..., more likely into squatter camps. Now that the tourists are gone, the crime will continue to grow and the Mugabe/Malema mentalities will continue to soil the South Africa that I once loved and took pride in, and turn it into the great big Kraal reserve that it once was before the settlers brought the wheel and civilization to the land. What a shame!!!

  • Jan - 2010-07-16 17:09

    The soccer world cup brought out a lot of patriotism, even for me. But it wasn't the vuvuzela that made it so, it was the flags on the cars, the spirit of unity. The vuvuzela just makes a lot of noise and have people spitting over each other in one location. Surely we can find more entertaining ways to swop spit.

  • Vito - 2010-07-16 17:57

    Marcus Daily, your tune is almost as one-toned as the noise of a vuvuzela. Yes, rugby is played by less nations (not 10 by the way) and supported by less people because firstly, the dominance of a strong team over a weak team will be amplified severely in rugby and secondly, because you need an above average IQ to play and understand the game. Soccer is played by many nations because weak nations always have a change to compete against the better nations. There is generaly a greater element of luck than skills involved in soccer. So, let us sophisticated rugby players, administrators and fans make our own minds up about the vuvuzela.

  • Taxidermist - 2010-07-16 19:47

    If anything was backward in this SWC was bad Ref calls which effected the outcome of the whole SWC because the spectator could see more than the Refs. Also was grown men grovelling on the floor for a free kick after been kicked in the shin guard. These players should watch some rugby to see what the human body can really endure. Yes, soccer and rugby are world's apart but ultimately its not Vuvi's that unite people but sport.

  • Ted - 2010-07-17 01:28

    The flags are coming down, the banners being put away and the country returns to business as usual. Is this the end of the party? The South African rugby fraternity would like to say yes. The banning of vuvuzelas at the National Stadium for the test match between the Springboks and the All Blacks is a little like closing the bar before everybody wants to go home. For South Africa, the World Cup has been a great nation builder. Fans from all walks of life have come together in their united support of teams, of countries, even of continents. The one thing that has symbolised the 2010 FIFA World Cup has been the vuvuzela. A symbol of fun, a symbol of South Africa, a salute to our team. The plastic trumpet has been embraced by sports fans the world over. It is time that South African rugby moved with the times, and if it is genuine about taking rugby to the masses it would seem that the rugby test match in Soweto is the ideal opportunity to do just that. To build on what began with the Super 14 semi-final in Orlando, the final and then the World Cup, South African rugby, administrators and fans alike, needs to open it's arms to a new breed of South African supporters. To hold a rugby test in Soweto while banning vuvuzelas seems to speak of double standards, and will surely alienate what promises to be a new supporter base, a new united supporter base. Why waste this marvelous opportunity to keep the circle growing bigger. It has been said that everybody hates the vuvuzela until they blow one. Just ask the Blue Bulls supporters who went to Orlando.

  • Marv - 2010-07-17 08:55

    Point of the matter, Rugby requires a lot of communication and the VUVU is making it very difficult for players. Yes the VUVU is proudly SA, but keep it out of Rugby. It is not personal, It's Rugby!

  • Glen - 2010-07-17 12:30

    If its so unpopular why the need to ban it?

  • Benny - 2010-07-17 13:04

    What utter RUBBISH. The moronic sounding vuvuzela may have become popular with those few thousands who attended the SWC and fan parks but, I would venture, NOT amongs the many millions of TV viewers!! For me there is nothing more inspiring than hearing the singing; shouting, cheering (and booing) of the crowds. A true legacy would have been to hear the wonderful singing of the different nationalities participating in the SWC and that INCLUDES the "Africans" of this country. Imagine (if you can) a future where every rugby and soccer game all you heard was the idioting droning of the vuvuzela - the mind boggles!!

  • Staalburgher - 2010-07-21 10:52

    @Ted, please give us a break and stop your liberal hand-wringing. Banning a trumpet is not some anti-community gesture. Stop being so bloody juvenile. The media has built the damn thing up. I live in London and most people think it is a pain in the ass, not because they 'are stuck in the past' (what absolute rubbish argument that is anyway) but because the thing makes a god-aweful racket.

  • bok4life - 2010-07-28 14:36

    OI!!! GET THAT MAN A BELLS!!!! GREAT DECISION!!!!! Yaaaaaay i could do flik flaks at my desk right now!! WHOOOP WHOOOP!!!!! I read somewhere RWC = 2 SWC = 0!! Keep that stupid thing at the local football holes!! We love our rugby just the way it is thank you!! Dumbest invention EVER!!! All it does is make a stupid irritating noise!!