Nienaber won't help Div

2010-08-11 22:31

Stephen Nell and Hendrik Cronjé

Cape Town and Bloemfontein – Western Province will not release defence coach Jacques Nienaber to assist the Springboks during the Tri-Nations.

Rob Wagner, managing director of WP Rugby (Pty) Ltd, told Sport24 on Wednesday that Nienaber had to focus on his job in the Cape.

“Jacques met with Peter de Villiers to explore whether there is a way for him to help the Boks in the future. He then reported back to us,” said Wagner.

“We are at a crucial stage of the Currie Cup and it will unfortunately infringe on his duties here. We therefore can’t see our way clear to releasing him.”

Wagner added that even part-time work with the Boks would be “too difficult to fit in” for Nienaber.

“He plays a big role in all our teams,” said Wagner.

Nienaber is contracted with WP until 2012.

WP director of coaching Rassie Erasmus confirmed to Sport24 that the disruption would be too big.

“We considered it, but it will be difficult. The notice was too short and it will be disruptive in the middle of a competition,” said Erasmus.

Erasmus and Nienaber have come a long way and their association has included winning the Currie Cup at Free State in 2005 and 2006.

Erasmus was the head coach then and Nienaber a qualified physiotherapist helped with Free State’s defensive system.

Province have conceded only six tries in the Currie Cup, followed by Free State (11), the Sharks (12), Lions (14), Blue Bulls (15), Griquas (21), Leopards (27) and Pumas (28). The Stormers conceded 18 tries in 15 games – the least by any Super 14 side in 2010.

The Springboks, by contrast, have been conceding lots of tries in the Tri-Nations. They have already conceded 10 tries in three Tests.

Nienaber had a lengthy discussion with Bok assistant coach Gary Gold about South Africa’s defensive pattern during his visit to the camp on Tuesday.

South Africa play against the All Blacks at FNB Stadium on August 21.


  • bulawayo-based-bok - 2010-08-11 22:46

    hahaha......he looks like the guy who would spend most of his spare time in a dark basement watching rugby videos with a pen & pad for hours on end!! clearly knows the key to the best defense in rugby going by the stormers anyway....

  • Fleckie - 2010-08-11 22:59

    Good we shouldn't release him. Does PDV the clown not have enough coaches around him already.

  • mike - 2010-08-11 23:13

    Nice to see the WeePee boys putting country over province, lol... Seems beating the Bulls is more important to you boys!

  • stompies - 2010-08-11 23:18

    Understandably, thats the only way and the last hope for Weer Probeer to win any cup, including the CC

  • gastly! - 2010-08-11 23:22

    what on earth? poor springboks, shouldnt they be more important lol, if the stormers fall out and not win the curriecup this year now , im gonna laugh soooo soooo sooooo hard haha, id come back and say, yeaaa, biatches, u were too suinig to lend your good defensive coach for a bit, and you still lose, etc etc, just wait, if stormers lose the currie cup, this will be something ill remember and taunt them about hahaha!!

  • John - 2010-08-12 02:21

    gastly! - What a absolute stupid comment is this. Do you even watch rugby? Anyway F.Y.I. the Stormers don't play Currie Cup

  • PowerPuff - 2010-08-12 02:52

    lol yeah that's right WeePee - you gonna need all the help you can get anyway. Must have been hard dealing with the fact that you weren't the self-proclaimed best Super14 team this year after all. Or last year. or the year before. or ever lol... maybe next year ya? always the contender, never the victor.

  • @Gastly - 2010-08-12 03:23

    You obviously don’t have ANY idea whatsoever WTF you are talking about mate! You shouldn’t smoke pot while online! His EMPLOYER is WP not the fkn Boks. Now all of a sudden the Boks need this and that. Stuff them. Snor selected his management team and players. Hopefully the Boks loose against the AB’s AGAIN and just maybe Snor’s eyes will open up a bit and get rid of players like John Smit, Januarie and useless no-skills Spies. Do you know that rugby is professional now and that people actually gets paid to manage and coach the teams? THAT’S why Nienaber have to stay with WP because they are his employer! Why didn’t MR SNOR discussed the matter with WP first? Arrogant AA appointment!

  • wolf - 2010-08-12 03:31

    Ask dick muir, he did great work with the lions. good job wp.

  • Dee - 2010-08-12 04:28

    This is disgraceful to say the least and should be seen as treason. Firstly - country comes FIRST! Then those fools at the WP would actually deny someone the great opportunity to perhaps be a HUGE help to his country and then reep the benefits for his input. I think its pathetic! They are soooo scared of losing the CC that the world cup means nothing!

  • Impi - 2010-08-12 04:50

    Doesn't matter anyway, SA will get klapped with or without this guy.

  • Ted - 2010-08-12 05:28

    @gastly: Are you 13? This is a professional sport. WP Rugby have contracted this member of its management team just like any company would in any other industry. SA Rugby has their own management team. Yes, they clearly need help, but it would be highly irregular to demand a loan of this nature while he is a critical part of WP Rugby's planning and preparation process, which is clearly why he is ultimately not going. These are two businesses, and they are run as such. Besides, asking someone to fix a defensive approach is ridiculous. He would only be effective if he can fully employ his own defensive strategy, drilling the moves, the 2nd and 3rd phase defensive plans etc for months. Having one consultation with Gold is useful only as far as pointing out "quick fixes" go. You can't ask for more. You need to understand that a defensive plan is built over time, each player needs to get to a point where they instinctively know what their mates are doing, who covers what during any number of possible scenarios. To think this can be fixed in a week or two is laughable and clearly shows our approach to the sport is not as professional, technical and detailed as it can/should be. The shallow and flippant comments on these boards are really getting old guys. As long as we rant like school boys the Kiwis and Aussies will have good reason to call us whiners/sore losers etc. Lets get a bit more sensible in our comments. Clearly, the only real solution for SA Rugby to do here is negotiate an early departure for Nienamber from WP after the Currie Cup, giving him time to focus on the WC prep and giving WP time to find a replacement who can work side by side with him for the rest of this season. This is all assuming he is the main and only reason why WP/Stormers defence is so good, let's not forget Fleck and Proudfoot are excellent coaching assistants too and their whole team is led by a very professional Coetzee who clearly knows how to manage his coaching staff effectively. Simply inserting Nienaber into the fold at the Boks won't be a silver bullet unless he has the exact same cohesive team around him as he does now.

  • JP - 2010-08-12 05:54

    WTF gastly!! So its OK just to go to any team and try to steal coaches if you can't do the job. Which team's coach is next. Snorre go and ask the Bafana coach to help you out.

  • zim - 2010-08-12 05:56

    Why the commotion? Just pick the WP players. They well coached already. PdV has the nucleus of the WP defence already. Just add Duane Vermeulen, Tiaan Liebenberg and Pieter Grant.

  • Angel - 2010-08-12 06:16

    Each to win his own games, Peter de Villiers is in charge of Bok rugby, let his show why he should be there in stead of attempting to poach the WP assistant coach. Personally I think, PdV is not the guy for the job. He took over a winning team, where are they now?

  • Angel - 2010-08-12 06:29

    Each to win his own games, Peter de Villiers is in charge of Bok rugby, let him show why he should be there, in stead of attempting to poach the WP assistant coach. Personally I think, PdV is not the guy for the job. He took over a winning team, where are they now?

  • Jakes - 2010-08-12 06:35

    If you ask me, he did not want to help, because his ego and the Bok coaching team's egos were too big for the space they live in. One question: If you defend excellent, and concede only a few tries, but you don't ever won any cups (there is no cup for the best defender, sorry boys) then what does your so called defending add value to? All the morons, including myself, that pisses their 5 cents worth here, our rugby has become another spineless corporate business, to keep your highly paid job, regardless.

  • Piet Verdriet - 2010-08-12 06:42

    Dit wys nou maar weer net - die Weer Probeers of te wel die bergbokkies is so dom dat hulle binne 'n week alles vergeet wat hulle geleer het en dan moet Jacques Nienaber weer alles van voor af verduidelik vir die volgende naweek. 'n Mens sou dink dat iemand met 'n halwe breinsel die verdediging patrone sou snap na 'n hele Super 14 en halfpad deur die Curriebeker reeks. Ek dink ou Rassie is net suurgat omdat SARU sy aftree plannetjie gekelder het.

  • Angela - 2010-08-12 07:09

    It actually show how much Villiers knows about rugby - zip!!. Why is he not using his God given talents, that he keeps telling us about, to sort out the problems in his camp?

  • sean - 2010-08-12 07:12

    Because PDV cant coach he needs another coach. Please get rid of PDV!

  • Nats - 2010-08-12 07:22

    Why should they release him, its not his problem that P Div doesnt have a clue on how to coach a pre primary school team, never mind the National Team. PDiv is all BIG mouth about the fact that HE coaches the Boks and no one else, he has enough coaching staff around him, the only way he would be helping the boks is if he leaves! I dont think the other Provincial Team would be too keen on sharing all their strategies either. I have got to give this guy and Alistar Coetzee credit on taking WP from a nothing team to where they are now....keep it up!

  • Riaan - 2010-08-12 07:22

    Div the clown must do the job his getting paid for (millions). If he and his other incompetent coaching staff are unable to do the job they must be man enough to quit.

  • Wazza - 2010-08-12 07:32

    Nice one WP! No wonder no-one likes Proooovince. Where's your national pride?

  • glen - 2010-08-12 07:34

    Typical Cape attitude. Want all for themselves .SCARED of losing littlle C.Cup to SHARKS.

  • BALSAK(alias Blue Bul Hater) - 2010-08-12 07:34

    Very GOOD decision, we can and must not release him. Why don't they ask the defence coach of the Blue Bulls??? WEN PROVINSIE(WP) groete!!!

  • Fly - 2010-08-12 07:46

    Good for WP! Helium must sort out his own mess - you can't go around drawing in coaches outside his so-called "winning formula" and then begging Steyner to come back because his flops are playing rubbish fullback-rugby. Steyn should just not come back after the way he was treated. We all know helium does not well under pressure...

  • Cape Town Boy - 2010-08-12 08:07

    @Mike But Mike, you know we capetonians are first capetonians before we are south africans.

  • StormersSupporter - 2010-08-12 08:07

    Why should he be released mid tournament to help the springboks on a moments notice? Do they not have enough couches. Springboks need to get proper contracts with proper coaches. Trust me, if they did let him go, WP will still beat the bulls. Unless of course its craig joubert again. Its about being mid-tournement letting go of a great coach. That is stupid.

  • Koos Kaap - 2010-08-12 08:09

    Hoekom kry hy nie vir Slaptjips nie? Hy is immers lid van die BLOU BULLE (!!!) se afrigtingspan en soos ons almal weet is alles en almal wat met die Bulle te doen het, net die beste. Die Bok-bestuurspan bestaan uit 'n klomp losers (Percy uitgesluit). Hoekom sal Nienaber nou sy naam wil wegsmyt om deel te word van hierdie sirkus? As de V nie die joppie kan doen nie, moet hy maar afstap en dit oorgee in die hande van mense wat bevoeg is. En ek kan onmiddellik aan drie name dink. (1) Heyneke Meyer - sjoe, wat 'n afrigter! (2) Rassie Erasmus (3) Allister Coetzee. Ten slotte, die skade is klaar gedoen. Nienaber kan nie wonderwerke in 'n paar weke verrig nie .

  • Big Bok - 2010-08-12 08:09

    I do not blame WP. Dick Muir is in charge of defense at the Boks and he sucks at it - just look at the porous Lions defense in S14. Why would anyone want to help him get his butt off the line? He needs to be sacked along with Gary Gold - the latter was useless as WP forwards coach. Oh, by the way, there was a time not long ago when every Bulls player saw playing for the Bulls as a greater honour than playing for the Boks. This happens when your structures and work ethic at provincial level is better than at national level. Employing consultants to help you out is just plastering over the cracks. Our coaches are clueless at the Boks and it is time for everyone to see it and for appropriate action to be taken

  • Swazi Green & Gold - 2010-08-12 08:10

    This highlights why we will always battle to be nunber one. Because NZ does everything for the All Blacks. Read the below statment copied off the official NZ rugby site, "The ITM Cup (previously Air New Zealand Cup) replaces the former National Provincial Championship Division One competition. The NPC competition, played across three divisions, was introduced in 1976, with finals introduced in 1992. The ITM Cup was established following the wide-ranging Competitions Review, which the NZRU launched in 2003. The objective of that Review was to conduct a comprehensive review of all NZRU competitions to ensure they provide the best possible platform for sustaining a winning All Blacks team and maintaining rugby as a game accessible and attractive to all New Zealanders." The important bit is the point of the comp is to produce winning All Black rugby, country over province!

  • BBforLife - 2010-08-12 08:18

    "Jacques met with Peter de Villiers to explore whether there is a way for him to help the Boks in the future." Why did he go and meet with PdV in the first place?? He does have a current contract with WP or perhaps he couldn't remember. Perhaps he wants to jump ship before the WEEPEE loose their first game of the season in the semi's!!!!

  • BeagleBoy - 2010-08-12 08:22

    What is wrong with his current coaching staff - is Div then saying that they are not competant?? For starters, if the Div man started selecting players who on form and in the correct positions, then that will solve 95% of his troubles...........then he would not need WP coaching assistance. Unfortunately there is no cure for stupudity................

  • Ha ha - 2010-08-12 08:28

    The WeeProbeer "defence" hasn't won them any Cups so far.. ....Ha ha ha ..!!!!

  • Dwerg - 2010-08-12 08:29

    I think it's a call that might bring about a some structure to the Boks. It is now time for the staff to settle and get familiar before the World Cup. Sending out an SOS each time you discover your method is flawed only says to me that the coaching is in great disarray.

  • Paul - 2010-08-12 08:30

    Traitors !!! ... just what you'd expect from a team that would pick a guy like Luke Watson as captain .... but the real reason is that they don,t want the Bulls to pick up how they defend ..,.as if the Bulls need this info to kick their butt ...S14 Final showed that ... BULS or Sharks to win the Currie Cup ...and this fron a Lions Man !!

  • Sportbilly - 2010-08-12 09:01

    Rob Wagner, WP & Co won't be joining the LeadSA campaign it seems!

  • Emile - 2010-08-12 09:04

    Very Professional. Halfway through the Tri-Nations and only now considering the appointment of a defence coach - very professional indeed. No wonder Bok Rugby is in chaos - it is run by a group of clowns. Secondly - It seems as if the Stormers team regards their priorities superior to the Boks. Surely allowing the defensive coach to assist the Boks for one week wouldn't affect their play. The Stormer's defence was great this season, but surely SARU could have contacted a world class specialist. I once heard rugby turned professional - maybe SARU hasn't heard it yet. All in all it just again shows how pathetic our administration is, how disgusting provincialism in SA still is and maybe it also shows exactly why we are playing like bafoons. A year is maybe too short to rectify the total f@#k-up PDV and the rest of his clowns were allowed to inflict on Bok Rugby, but please just start acting like professionals. No wonder NZ and Aus are laughing their asses off.

  • Rocket - 2010-08-12 09:12

    @ Swazi Green and Gold. You are missing the point... The best platform refers to players. Remember, WP Rugby is a business entity. There is obviously a rule that the provinces should release their players to the national squad immediately, should it be required. But the coaching assistants are employed by the province only, and have no relations with SA Rugby, which is also a business, by the way!!! You can't force another business to just hand over their employer!!! Please do not forget that this in not just a sport anymore! Unfortunately, the world is evolving and and if the Boks can't sort out their own mess, it is their problem. SARU has to admit that the coaches are useless, and fire them. And also people, even if WP have not won any trophy yet, they are performing MUCH better than they did a couple of years back... They are busy building a winning team.... Just like the Bulls did.... Please go see the Bulls' results from 1998 onwards in the Super12 /14...... They only started getting better results, from 2003 and it took them a while to start winning trophies.... Specifically, the Super 14. See the paragraph below, that I got form Wikipedia... "The Bulls were considered one of the worst teams in the Super 14 competition, finishing last or second to last for five consecutive seasons from 1998-2003. In 2002, they became the first team ever to go through an entire Super Rugby season without winning a single game. This record remained until the Lions repeated the feat during the 2010 season. After finishing fourth in the inaugural competition, they didn't make the semi's again until the years 2003. The Bulls finished in 6th place in both 2003 and 2004, though still missing out on a finals position." So, this indicates that team don't just get trophies in a flash.... WP will get trophies somewhere along the road. Don't you worry about that...

  • My liewe vader - 2010-08-12 09:45

    Gister, toe die nuus ingekom het dat Nienaber die Bokke gaan uithelp het al wat 'n aap wat nie 'n Stormers / WP supporter is nie groot bek gehad dat die Bokke hom nie nodig het nie en dat hy by WeePee moet bly. Nou gaan hy nie uithelp nie so al daai selfde ape praat nou van verraaiers en Bokke voor provinsie en al daai strooi. Weet nie of ek moet lag of moet huil nie. PW het gesê 'bou 'n nasie', maar hoe de bliksem moet ons met hierdie ape enigiets bou?

  • Donkie - 2010-08-12 09:50

    This is the professional era & this request by PdV must be seen as a cry for help. Because there is no way that this would have been legal. Springbok rugby & WP rugby are two companies, not just 2 teams. Would Vodacom let their chief technician help MTN out after growing Vodacom's sales by 38%? I don't think so. And to all the Bulls supporters. All this talking about cups & defending don't win you any. All this shows me that you guys are scared of losing to WP. You're already looking to the past to make yourself feel better about your future.

  • Kenneth - 2010-08-12 09:53

    While you are at it why not include Frans Ludeke to assist PDV. Oh wait a minure he is the Bulls coach and that would not do.

  • Stormer4LIFE - 2010-08-12 09:54

    Overall winners Team Number of wins Notes Most recent Western Province 32 Four shared 2001 Northern Transvaal/Blue Bulls 23 Four shared 2009 Transvaal/Gauteng Lions/Golden Lions 9 One shared 1999 Natal Sharks 5 2008 Orange Free State/Free State Cheetahs 4 One shared 2007 Griqualand West/Griquas 3 1970 Border/Border Bulldogs 2 Two shared 1934 Please all the BLOU-BOERE fans , Keep your mouth shut until you have won the currie cup more than Province. We are still the best and allways will be the best. FACT.

  • @HAHA - 2010-08-12 09:55

    Tipiese dom p@es opmerking uit Snorcity!So sê my jou safaridraende suurstofdief hoekom kan SA nie die AB of Aussies wen wat so "hopeloos" was in die S14 nie?O......die hele dom BB span moet seker in die Bokspan wees.Gaan speel met Steve Hofmeyer se tools of vra Joost vir sy handtekening man.Dom p@es!Julle spul brandewynsuipende insekte sal NOOIT die groter prentjie sien nie.Gaan saag iets in Soweto man en laat hul jou Vuvu blaas!

  • @@ghastly - 2010-08-12 09:57

    hahahhaa, seems like ive struck a nerve there mr obvious WPsupporter hahahaha, i dont care if they keep the defensive coach, just gives all the other teams more gloating reasons after they take over over WP this currie cup, this is obviously one of those times where a coach/player does something right that works for their team, but now sooner or later everyone else will catch up and someone will have to come up with some new ideas etc etc, so, if WP doesnt do something with their defence this currie cup, it will have been their last chance at a cup,

  • Kuppy - 2010-08-12 10:00

    Is this an admission of guilt that Dick and Co. are incompetent to teach defence. Good for you WP for not releasing Nienaber the bok coaching staff are getting paid a fortune now just because its come out that De vil and Co are incompetent and politcal appointments now they want to plead to WP for help. I wander if SARU even offered to compensate Nienaber with Dick Muir's salary. As for De vils bok team, he has chosen such a boring team, it is so sad to say as a bok surporter but i hope the boks get a thrashing, the boks must hit rock bottom before SARU wake up that Quota's and incompetent appointments will not work and the public must not accept this and start boycotting Springbok test matches and until we do Saru will still continue to run SA rugby like ZANU PF.

  • 06 - 2010-08-12 10:07

    since when does a union have a final say over a body??? Surely SARU must grow balls and tell WP that they WILL release him.

  • BOK Supporter - 2010-08-12 10:32

    Why does everyone all of a sudden have a problem with PDV? The man won the trinations last year, and then followed by a successful series win over the Brittish and Irish Lions. He achieved what some other coaches can only dream of and that is beat NZ in New Zealand in his first year. All of a sudden the team is struggling ,3 losses in a row and we want to fire the coach. Australia only won 1 game in the last trinations and lost 5 games...did they fire Deans as coach "No" Henry loss all he's games (all 3 of it) against the Boks last year and he lost the world cup for NZ in 2007... did NZ fire "Henry" No ... Jake White and his coaching staff loss 4 games in a row before the WC and went on and won the WC that same year... At the moment the senior players are not performing... and I'll mention them. John Smith is not playing his best, Victor Matfield is below par and Pier Spies definitely lost his form. Then theirs Wynand Olivier... I got nothing against the man but he shouldn't even be in the squad with Jean De Villiers and Juan De Jongh. Yes we miss Foureez Du Preez... and surely he will make a difference when he's back. Yes Zane is okay on full back but he's not world class... at least Frans Steyn is back. Everyone is talking about Australia being the team to watch especially how they performing currently as they still missing some players due to injury and when those guys are back, then they will be a force to be reckon with in the WC. Well did you people forget we also missing key players like Brusso, Du Preez, Juan, Bismark and Jannie Duplessis.... so guys lets support the coach and lets believe that we can go over there next year and defend our title... We will then be the only country to defend our title successfully... Go Bokke Go Bokke

  • Paul - 2010-08-12 10:41

    @ 06 --mmm the Union has a say over him as he is their Employee-pretty simple really!!! He did however meet with Gary Gold and I presume he has passed on some tips.

  • @06 - 2010-08-12 10:56

    You must be a muppet, have you not read the threads to see why!