Steyn cast into wilderness?

2010-08-13 11:36

Brenden Nel - SuperSport

Johannesburg - Springbok Frans Steyn may find himself in the wilderness in future as a result of his current club-v-country row about his availability for the World Champions.

Steyn was called up to the Springbok squad last weekend but reported a quad injury and was to undergo a scan on Tuesday. By Thursday afternoon the Bok management had lost their patience as they still waited for the results of the scan and withdrew Steyn from their plans to face New Zealand next week.

However, the Boks have now complained to the International Rugby Board to take the matter further, as there is a belief that Racing Metro are deliberately taking their time to ensure Steyn stays with them and does not return to South Africa.

Bok coach Peter de Villiers, who has clashed with Steyn before, admitted on Thursday he was reaching the end of his tether on the matter, and would have to consider making a permanent decision in the near future as to the players’ availability.

“It puts you in a very difficult situation,” De Villiers said of Steyn’s unavailability, “On the one hand you want players who have a positive attitude in your team and you also know that the rugby here is a lot faster than the game in France.

“So it is better to have players from here. But then you also want players with heart and character in your team, players who are willing to die for the Springbok jersey.

“Frans is a talented player and we want him to play for us, but at some point you will have to stop and say this far and no further.

“You need to know that the player is 100 percent committed to the country and what we now need is for national teams manager Andy Marinos to have an honest talk with the club. We need everyone in one room to sort this out.”

De Villiers said that the current club v country row was precisely why he was hesitant to pick players from overseas. Butch James had to miss the Test against Wales because it fell outside the regulated IRB Summer window of Tests, even though James was desperate to play.

De Villiers and Steyn clashed before that precise Test, with rumours abounding that Steyn said he did not want to play for De Villiers. A discussion took place in Cape Town, whereafter Steyn was chosen to face Wales.

But afterwards he was dropped and has spent the last two months in limbo, De Villiers citing the difference in the pace of the Northern and Southern Hemisphere games at the time as the reason for ignoring him.

Now it seems the olive branch extended to Steyn has been trampled by his club, who have indicated he cannot train until Wednesday next week.

The Boks have erred by not requesting his release with the prescribed 14-day notice period, but Marinos indicated this rule does not apply for the Tri-Nations. De Villiers said the entire debacle gave weight to the argument to keep national players at home and not select abroad.

“We have a lot of support for Andy in this situation and we are looking at avenues to give a counter to keep them in the country. If we can find any counter to the money abroad, we need to get that right, but we will need assistance in this.”


  • scipio - 2010-08-13 11:39

    Pdivvy keeps contradicting himself... What a nutjob. No wonder other countries have no respect for us. If you want a coach of colour bring in Allister Coetzee, Very qualified and very smart. We're not racist, we dumbist. We discriminate against lower intellectuals.

  • FS - 2010-08-13 11:47

    I dont blame steyn or racing metro. Saru and Diddy are the problem. they too quick to screw these players around. Steyn is the first man on my team sheet every week. but when he played in SA diddy kept benching him for players of half his talent.

  • Pire - 2010-08-13 11:51

    Ek verstaan nie die afrigter van ons nie. Eers kies hy vir Steyn, dan na die wedstryd se hy dat Steyn is nie opgewasse vir internasionale rugby nie, omdat hy nie super14 gespeel het nie...dan kies hy daai mede clown op heelagter, wat net k@k aanjaag as hy in `n 5km radius is van `n rugby bal ...3 wedstryde later moan hy dat hy nie vir Steyn kan kry nie. Dit is egter duidelik dat snore nie `n idee het wat hy doen nie en probeer als in sy vermoe (wat duidelik nie baie is nie) om die bokke nie te sleg te laat lyk nie. Ons het gesien wat met die sokker wereld beker gebeur die top spanne is vroeg uitgeskakel. My voorspeling is dat die rubgy wereld beker die selfde paaitjie gaan loop volgende jaar. Dis hartseer dat die wereld kampejoene in div se hande is.

  • Pieman - 2010-08-13 11:54

    With a hairstyle like that he belongs in the real wilderness. Imagine if he grew a beard.

  • scud - 2010-08-13 11:56

    @fs-I totally agree. Do we want foreign based players in the Bok side or not? Our coach cannot make up his mind,just as with his tactics and game plan,if there is one.

  • Turtle - 2010-08-13 11:59

    De Villiers has lost it, bad selections, stupid comments and very stubborn, he should just pack up his belonings and go coach a high school team. He is causing unrest and making our Springboks look like fools. Time to leave P. Diddy do da

  • Nico - 2010-08-13 12:03

    Can Supersport or Boots and all please do a phone conference with Steyn (we live in the modern world) and ask him personally for once and all if he wants to play or not. Then get Saru online and ask them if they have a communications consultant. First they do not give PDV sell nr to Steyn so he cannot contact PDV. The list of incompetince is getting so long it make me sick. (Beast passport, Buch James, Steyn) WE THE FANS DEMAND PROFFESSIONALISM!!!! Saru is run by idiots. Problem with our rugby starts right there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • JSC - 2010-08-13 12:08

    Frans, you are better off in France. Try to play for France. It is not an honour and privilege to play for the Boks anymore. Thanks to you know who.

  • Simon says - 2010-08-13 12:11

    He is starting to get the same attitude as Benni McCarthy. As exceptional a player as he is , he chose to chase the money, so lets leave him to it.Would love to have him in the team, but he wants the best of both worlds and unfortuately thats not possible.

  • ?? - 2010-08-13 12:17

    ...SINCE WHEN IS FRANCE THE "WILDERNESS"..?? Bok rugby your middle finger, Francois... ...and for AA PDV

  • Adrian - 2010-08-13 12:19

    @ scipio you stupid dumb*** didn't you read what was said? Snor wanted to pick Steyn but he's club were full of tricks. Go write your k*k somehwere else you racist idiot.

  • Frans is da man - 2010-08-13 12:28

    Frans is a young gun, with nuclear powered boot, he's already won a worldcup and is world class. He'll still be around after Piet Clown Dk is long gone. Then he'll come back and destroy. Dark times ahead for the Boks while Clown is around

  • PAUL - 2010-08-13 12:29

    Frans ...what you should know is that you don't play for PDV play for your COUNTRY AND THE FANS ...AND THE BOKS ... if thats your attitude ... we'd rather have someone who is willing to die for the BOKS than a childish player who puts his petty gripes with the coach above THE BOKS ...stay there and cut your nose to spite your face ...don't get me wrong here ,I rate you as one of the's up to you which GREAT player you want to be remembered as ... A BOK or RACING METRO !!!

  • bulawayo-based-bok - 2010-08-13 12:29

    one of the most talented rugby player on the planet and he can't even represent his country!!....P Divvy is out of his depth!

  • James - 2010-08-13 12:32

    De Villiers must now deal with himself the way he dealt with Steyn ie not select himself as coach because of poor performance in test matches. The history shows that he ignored Steyn in the Tri Nations thus far because in De Villiers's view Steyn had a poor match against Wales (I didn't see it that way - if it was not for Steyn's long range penalty kick the Boks would not have won that match). Noe following De Villiers's performance in not one but three Tri Nations matches I suggst he meter out the same punishment to himself as he thought was appropriate for Steyn. Furthermore, he talks about players that are prepared to die for the Bok jersey. Once again I suggest that he apply the same requirements to himself and accept that he is not the right man for the job and in the interests of the jersey that he should resign.

  • Seabee - 2010-08-13 12:41

    I've watched most of the Super 14 and Heineken Cup. Can't really see any difference in the play. I think Snorre has a problem with Frans and will use any excuse not to have him play in a Bok team.

  • owen - 2010-08-13 12:41

    Frans signed a 5 year contract with Racing - that says it all, it takes about 5 years to get a french passport. We should select players who are based on home soil, then you know what you get. Long distance relationships never work.

  • DeonL@sarusfault - 2010-08-13 12:43

    It sounds like Div and Saru wants to change the 14 day rule when it does not suite them, maybe they must plan better and remember what Naas once said: "cowboys don't cry"

  • Fafa - 2010-08-13 12:56

    Ek persoonlik is nie 'n groot "fan" van franscois Steyn nie maar as ek hy was of enige ander wit seun met sy potensiaal sou ek ook vir ou Divvie mooi vertel het dat ek ook nie vir sy span wil speel nie. Div hou vol met kwotaspelers soos Januarie en Chillyboy wat regtig nie nie die beste in die land is nie. My raad aan Francois Steyn is , rig 'n versoek aan die Internasionale Rugbyraad en vra dat jy vir Frankryk kan speel, daar is immers nie kwotas nie.

  • Andre - 2010-08-13 13:00

    Francois Steyn is an extremely talented player, bearing in mind that he has to be chosen. For how long did he have to sit on the bench, week in and week out (as per FS) and not. Benni McCarthy attitude? What do you expect?

  • Albert Einstein - 2010-08-13 13:01

    I thing he does not get on with snor. I don't blame him.

  • scipio - 2010-08-13 13:06

    Ag ffs adrian, another idiot i will be discriminating against in the following months it seems. PDV contradicts himself in this matter, He says he wants steyn, but then he says that players based overseas are slower and he prefers local players cause they are better? So why complain about something you don't want. PDV didn't follow the right procedures and now he's whining about Racing metro not releasing steyn or more info about his injury. They all every right to do so. Untill PDV does his job and stop talking K@K in public smeering his name through the mud this saga will continue and idiots like you with no education will keep getting bred all around South Africa. Do all of us who are informed a favor and stfu about stuff you don't know about. I would ask you to jump of a building, but you know i'm not like that. I'd rather push you off instead and do it for my country XD laterz Uber Nub

  • Ai ai - 2010-08-13 13:10

    Frans made the biggest mistake of his career in chosing to play in France. Why not do that after 2011? He is still extremely young. He is such a talent and Pdiv knows that; hence the call-back. But they need to sort this shit out! Until then, maybe they should give Lambie a shot at it...

  • To Adrian - 2010-08-13 13:11

    Just to inform you it just shows up how much you really know the rule is to ask 2 weeks in advance for a player Saru did it 1 week because we as a country believe the whole world owes us something when we stop been arrogant then maybe we will get some where

  • Theuns - 2010-08-13 13:18

    SA Rugby is clearly in disarray. We have lost 3 tests in a row, our team is without a game plan, we do not understand professional player contracts, we blame overseas clubs for our mishaps, we make continuous selection errors, we blame referees - and now the palyers get sidelined due to our mess. Carry on guys ...... or should I say clowns ?

  • Nick - 2010-08-13 13:20

    Anyone ever considered that after all the crap being handed to Steyn by the coach as well as the fans, that he may not want to play for the Boks? Give the guy a break.

  • Dean @all the morons - 2010-08-13 13:25

    I am sick to my back teeth of all these morons who last year were over the moon about winning the Tri-Nations, but have conveniently forgotten this and now call for PDiv's head....Compare his record to White's at the same stage! He is fairing better than White did so all this cr*p is nothing but racism because he's not white, pure and simple. I'm white and am sick to death of all this b*llshit...get over it people we live in South Africa, not Snow White land....

  • Easy - 2010-08-13 13:33

    People need to understand that rugby is a profession now and the way that these players earn a living. Unfortunately our local sides cannot offer financially attractive contracts to top players who end up leaving. You cannot blame them for this, would you not leave your current job for far more money???? This whole issue lies in the fact that as usual saru are cutting off their nose to spite their face and trying to blackball foreign players and force players to stay here. We all know Pdv has a personal clash with Frans so it makes it harder. Soccer manages to get round this issue why cant rugby? The rules are clearly stipulated and our administration failed us, stop crying and do your jobs!!!

  • Lefty - 2010-08-13 13:35

    What a load of kak !! Yes the Northern teams pace is slower , but by looking at the performance of the Boks , it does not really matter does it and our games blown by Northern refs . Snorre stop talking crap , you dont like Steyn and you are looking for excuses . He is the best fullback in the world . And for SARU you are real plonkers !! And if I was Steyn I would show snorre a big finger , he will be around much longer than snorre will . Get real !!

  • rico - 2010-08-13 13:42

    Frans is a great kicker, and a big boy. He needs to learn to pass the ball though. People in this country has an obsession with him and rugby. Pathetic. Get a life all you okes. SARU does a good job, and has done so for years. Andy has to run around the world, cause they have to approach the clubs directly. Clubs and agents don't answer to letters and emails, unless the $$'s flashes hard. And to be honest why spend a million bucks to get Frans here when there are very capable players back home anyways. I think we have enough talent at home. So what if we loose to the Blacks as long as we play good hard rugga. We'd probably whip the Aussies at home and loose to the Blacks. And still be able to whip any other international team. You SA rugby public and media are a joke, and the Aussie and Kiwi media know exactly how to use you to create some 'chaos' over here. The weakest thing about the SA rugby public and media is that they want the SA to win every single match all the time and win every single trophy. It has become such a crazy frenzy its a joke. The things people say on here clearly reflects that. My greatest hope is that rugby becomes a backwater sport in this country oneday, with cricket following suit. It would mean a lot less ill directed hate going around. Rugby in this country is evil, and always will be. Not because it is inherently evil not because the people playing it is evil, but because of the evilness of the people watching it. This 'proud' rugby tradition is fuel by racism, violence and filth.

  • THE MAN@dean@all the morons - 2010-08-13 13:46

    little dean you can try be black as much as you want but in the end your monther and father is still white and you are white, stand with your people i would respect you more than i do you think you silly comments against your own people will get you a place in the kingdom of the new south africa?never you and the rest of you will be shipped out so rather stick with your own kind and support your own struggle little boy

  • africanlion - 2010-08-13 13:47

    Rugby community in SA is some of the worst losers. When the team is winning we bask, when we lose we look for the first best excuse, exposing the latent racism still very evident in our rugby- that's right "our rugby" cause no one group or organisation owns it. And just like racists ultimately does, they say they have black friends, in reference to scipio's comments. The disadvantaged communities, with some of the best talent in this country will remain so because of the underlying racism still plaguing our sport in general. Players of color, even if they are doing well get very little accolades and is constantly under the microscope and constantly have to prove themselves to an audience looking for scapegoats. For fairer-skinned players, who are there "on merit", well, I guess they just have to pitch for the game. And you are right JSC, we'd rather not have you or your rascist ilk donning a jersey with the national flag, cause that would be devaluing our national symbols.

  • ImpartialCanuck - 2010-08-13 13:58

    Clearly not the player's fault - he is just wanting to make a good living. It is the whole SARU that is in disarray - agree with THEUNS! The problem lies with selecting other players with this "quota" approach and hoping they turn out to be adequate..... The wrong approach, so coach and SARU need to look at their process and work around the admin hurdles with players abroad, or select purely on merit for home based players if that is the approach they are going to adopt. Why would you not want Steyn?

  • DB - 2010-08-13 14:02

    I thought overseas players weren't going to be considered anyway? Why is this an issue?

  • @THE MAN - 2010-08-13 14:03

    Gee what a BIG man you must be..."my people" ars*h*le are South Africans, who are yours (that's a retorical question)? And what on EARTH makes you think I give a flying f*ck if YOU respect me??? Oh and by the way, I'm 41 so unless you're about 90, I'm no little boy to you.....thanks for proving my point so emphatically

  • Dr Flego - 2010-08-13 14:13

    I agree we SA supporters are bad losers, we do what the rest of the other countries is doing when our teams go through a bad time and especialy the old Springboks hammer on personal issues towards the coach. It seems sometimes they use that oppertunity to encourage who would have been a better coach like all of a sudden Jake White is available forgetting he made a decision and was under the same presure. Div you are the coach and hang on there you have done what no other coach has done before to win at the house of pain and even if you get bad results this year you did not get rid of the good players and they were never belonging to Jake White because he left them behind to look for greener pasture. The next one you can send to greener pasture is Frans Steyn. Good luck coach and don't forget to enjoy.

  • Minnie - 2010-08-13 14:38

    Imagine being married to Div, bliksem, that helium voice must be so irritating, imagine the whining, I'll slit my wrists!!!!

  • THE MAN@little boy dean - 2010-08-13 14:46

    shut up bl00dy id10t!!!!

  • the bobinator - 2010-08-13 14:47

    I gotta say.... Steyn doesn't seem to want the Bok jersey. Wouldn't surprise me if he actually says so himself in the no-too-distant future.

  • EOB - 2010-08-13 14:52

    I love Frans Steyn, and in my opinion he should be the nr. 1 starting full back for SA!!! Its such a pitty that all this nonsens is being said, even about PDV (not that i like him much)... Where is the SA spirit!!!! Support your country, no matter what! We all quick to say "Proudly South African", but are you really proud if you bad-mouth the SA couch and players.

  • EOB - 2010-08-13 14:53

    I love Frans Steyn, and in my opinion he should be the nr. 1 starting full back for SA!!! Its such a pitty that all this nonsens is being said, even about PDV (not that i like him much)... Where is the SA spirit!!!! Support your country, no matter what! We all quick to say "Proudly South African", but are you really proud if you bad-mouth the SA couch and players.

  • gooi - 2010-08-13 15:08

    ...Gooi them you middle finger Cois... ....Bok rugby is a CIRCUS...

  • Easy - 2010-08-13 15:23

    @rico. Seriously please read the rubbish you publish before submitting. Every supporter wants their side to win every game regardless of who they are and what sport it is, that by definition is a supporter! With regards to the rest of your mindless drivel, rugby is hardly fueled by racism and will never die away in this country. Im guessing you never excelled at sports and this is how you channel that, you sound like a massive wet! @The man. not sure how you can call yourself that because you right and sound like a child. By the way im sure nobody gives a dam about your respect! Get real you idiot, you sound like you belong in the mindless youth league. Lastly it doesnt matter if PDV was white, black, pink or green if you dont perform as a springbok coach they call for your head period. Stop taking it so personally. On the issue of comparability with Jake, you need to remember her started with a losing team and built the record upwards, not taking and winning team and driving it lower. Food for thought.

  • sylverstar - 2010-08-13 15:34

    Conspiracy against steyn ? HANG the coachs and the admin staff !!!!!

  • Bee-Bull - 2010-08-13 16:05

    What I don't get, and correct me if I am wrong - but it seems that Divvy is entirely inconsistent in his policy to not select overseas based players. When we had a prop crisis, he had no problem calling on BJ and CJ. But he uses the selection policy excuse time and again when it comes to Frans. Fair enough, I agree, he should have stayed in the ZAR longer than he did, but when it comes to selection there should be consistency in the application of policies. Otherwise the question will inevitably be asked - does Div have a personal problem with Frans that we are not being told about?

  • DV - 2010-08-13 16:44

    Boys, Boys, Boys... The rules of the game have changed and every team, except the Bokke, have adapted, hence the great running games we are seeing from the All Blacks and Australians of late. The Bokke have not changed their game and are therefore losing the plot. Who's fault is this? Management. And what do they blame it on? Players that are overseas and stuck in contracts. Who would work for an employer who don't know what they are doing in anyway? Frans is better off where he is. Another 5 years and he will have all the experience it takes, to put one over the has been Bokke...

  • Dean @THE MAN@little boy dean - 2010-08-13 18:03

    HAHAHAHAHA hey "MAN" thanks for your highly intelligent you need a hug?

  • Skal - 2010-08-13 18:14

    ....Almal is vandag al profesioneel....behalwe PV....Lol, seker maar jaloers oor die feit dat se eie uurglasie vinnig besig is om uit te loop...en gelukkig weet en sien die wereld dit...ongelukkig teen n helse prys....die Bokke se TROTS.... Pietie ou maat...jy moet gaan....en gaan jou sitkamer...en die game geniet...

  • wesley - 2010-08-14 11:01

    Personally I think its important to have players with international experience. It could be a strong advantage on reading the game and seeing different styles of play. Just look at the Argentina and France games. Argentina knew what France was gonna do before they did it. Imagine if we had key players in New Zealand getting that experience. Especially going into the world cup. Another key advantage is Coaching styles, which is a huge issue with the Boks.

  • odi - 2010-08-14 11:08

    to the ANC: The rugby cancer all started long ago at your doorstep. Please shoot the springbok once and for all rather than make it suffer slowly.If rugby represents "white pride", to you, then please immediately choose 15 black players.Then if NZ or OZ win, you can draw the race card as much as you like! Imagine how happy that will make you! But (sigh) I am hardly surprised you cut your nose off to spite your face. You've done this in every other facet of SA society. The truth is simple: if politics and race become bigger than the game, as you have made it, the game is doomed. It doesn't matter how much we "stand behind the team". To all rugby supporters: Supporting Div and standing behind the team is NOT the solution, dear liberals, inspite of your warm fuzzy intentions. No. Take up golf and watch motor car racing..Let the bok management destroy the team and let the world see it first hand and let them know WHY. To all rugby talent: Frans Steyn is a prophetic voice in the wilderness. It is so significant, because for the first time someone has had the balls to throw the "loyalty to springbok card" into question. He has uttered the unutterable because he can see where it's all going. If I were you, I'd follow suit.. Find a rugby career somewhere where you can be picked and respected on merit. The springbok, as we all knew it -the one that gave us so much pride and goosebumps on a winning day -, is being forced into extinction. Adapt and nurture your own rugby career.