Bok door open for Lambie

2011-07-26 22:00

J.J. Harmse

Sydney - Gio Aplon's injury might not only open the door for Patrick Lambie to start his first game for the Springboks, but could also give coach Peter de Villiers the chance to determine Lambie's potential for the Rugby World Cup.

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"Lambie is the logical replacement for Aplon. Who else could one use there than Lambie," de Villiers asked.

"He has the potential to become a big Springbok, it's in his genes to play top rugby. However, would he do it as a flyhalf, a centre or a fullback?

"It's a big ask to do it against the All Blacks in New Zealand, but I have faith in him."

The young KwaZulu-Natalian may well have started at flyhalf after Morné Steyn's poor performance against the Wallabies, but with Aplon out that is no longer an option.

However, the Boks would do well to take a leaf out of the Wallabies' book, and use Lambie at flyhalf when they are on the attack. Steyn could then slot into the fullback position.

The Australians often shift their flyhalf Quade Cooper to fullback when on the defensive. Digby Ione then defends the flyhalf channel and it works well for them.

The Bok management view Lambie as a more potent attacker than Steyn - due to the youngster's ability to play closer to the gain line.

It is thus a definite option to shift Steyn backwards during certain moves to give Lambie the opportunity to take charge of the attack.

If it proves successful, it could easily become a trend the Boks could utilise during the World Cup.


  • Obama Bin Laden - 2011-07-26 22:08

    Typical idiotic South African logic: "Ja well no fine. He's a great flyhalf prospect so to ease him into his position let's rather chuck him in against the All Blacks OUT OF POSITION. Ja, no, that will be a lot easier for him." SA Rugby not satisfied with having ruined Ruan Pienaar, will now focus their energies on ruining the next great Bok prospect. MORONS. PLAY HIM AT FLYHALF, WHERE HE BELONGS!!

      Scaramouche - 2011-07-26 22:15

      And your fullback this Saturday will be? ...............................

      Karoobloed - 2011-07-26 22:18

      Agreed - drop Steyn to the bench, shift Pienaar to full-back and bring Lambie on as fly-half. Aplon could be Pietersen's understudy at #14 for the RWC. Frans Steyn and Pienaar could be the full-back options. If Steyn is to be used at number 12, then Aplon and Pienaar could be the full-back choices.

      Jonathan - 2011-07-26 23:11

      How about Ndungane at fullback. He's done well for the Sharks there.

      Makutu - 2011-07-27 00:00

      15. Odwa Ndungane, 14. Ruan Pienaar, 13. Juan de Jong, 12. Adi Jacobs, 11. Lwazi Mvovo, 10. Patrick Lambie, 9. Charl McLeod, 8. Danie Russouw, 7. Ashley Johnson, 6. Jean Deysel, 5. Alistair Hargreaves, 4. Gerhad Mostert, 3. CJ van der Linde, 2. Chilliboy Ralepelle, 1. Coenie Oosthuizen. Reserves: 16. Adrian Strauss, 17. Dean Greyling, 18. John Smit (LOL hahahahahaha), 19. Ryan Kankwoski, 20. Bjorn Basson, 21. Wynand Olivier, 22. Morné Steyn (Keep the Bulls backline players away from the Bok Jersey as far as possible please!

      Karoobloed - 2011-07-27 02:15

      Makutu - I really like your team - would perhaps just switch Pienaar (to 15) and Ndugane (to 14). Would also be really nice to give Chilli a go at captain for this game.

      Durasmart - 2011-07-27 06:11

      His best position is fullback not flyhalf. I am still not convinced with him at flyhalf when we are under pressure, but at fulback he has always been very dangerous, because it frees him up more to run into space, very much in the mold of a Cristian Cullen.

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-27 06:26

      I agree Durasmart. It's no coincidence the Sharks's losing streak in last years' Super14 ended the moment Lambie started playing for them (at fullback).

      Marx - 2011-07-27 07:15

      Makutu, Pienaar on the wing?? bwahahaha....thanks man, needed that his morning!!

      HanHan - 2011-07-27 07:27

      Lambie should be the flyhalf and if Steyn needs be in the team, let him play at fullback. He is now fighting for survival and not Lambie. Obama is spot on and, please, let no one say that we are over critical. This way of reasoning only makes us the laughing stock of the rugby world so much more!

      Byron - 2011-07-27 08:50

      so true and then the whole of SA can bash him and say he isnt up to it

      Obama Bin Laden - 2011-07-27 12:06

      @Scaramouche - I'd play Ruan Pienaar at fullback, but only because they've already ruined him as a scrumhalf. he has great attacking flair and is not a bad kicker at all. Then I'd play McLeod and Lambie as my halves.

      TF44 - 2011-07-27 13:04

      @mukutu: You have three cart horses as loose forwards. Johnson had the 4th worst missed tackles stat in Super Rugby. How are they going to compete at the breakdown? i suggest that you move Kanko to 8, Danie to 7 and Ashley to the bench. Or Danie to lock, Hargreaves to the bench (he's carrying an injury).

  • Scaramouche - 2011-07-26 22:14

    He good did Lambie looked when he came on for Steyn?! Steyn would struggle to walk into any Currie Cup team if he was not able to kick for goal. On the attack, Lambie looked far more the real deal. Now, just to find him an inside centre ... hmmmm.....

      madaboutsports - 2011-07-26 23:07

      Yes if we going to play Lambie as flyhalf then we definitely don't need Wynand "Why the F is he there" Olivier playing at centre. He never freakin passes and will ruin all Lambie's creativity. We have enough forwards going route one straight into the tackler and to the ground - we don't need our centres doing the same.

      Durasmart - 2011-07-27 06:16

      He only looked good because the Aussies had the game in the bag and took their foot of the gas completely. All the guys that then came on for the Boks looked better. Even Chilliboy made an immediate impact when he came on, but how well would he have fared if he started the game and the same could be asked about Lambie.

      Marx - 2011-07-27 07:41

      Scara, I would also like to see Lambie start, cause you can't read too much into him coming on late in the game when the Aussies already made replacements and sealed the game. When you run on to the field and your team is trailing by 20 points you don't have lots to lose, it's a different ball game when you're taking the pressure from the start and needs to get your team on the front foot. Lambie deserves a run, my biggest problem is Pienaar, he was woeful last sat. You can put Carter at 10 for the Bok's, but the 9/10 combination must be a well oiled machine, that's what Jake ment yesterday, we can only expect better things when we are playing with a settled 9/10 combination that controls the game and provides the backline with good ball. This team is only playing their second game on sat. Everybody should know not to expect any miracles, we need to step up 75% on sat. performance if we want to lose by less than a record margin. That will be tough to do, we are still experiencing injuries, we are facing the number one team in the world on their home turf, this side needs more than one or two changes, nobody seems to be worried about our tight 5 that has never played together as a unit, Smit won't get better and our two locks are way to in-experienced, will the backiline get any good ball? chances are slim, but we all can hope, cant we?

  • Fieta8two - 2011-07-26 22:45

    Its about time that he gets a start. I think hes good enough to close the door behind him.

      BiggestBull - 2011-07-27 14:39

      Well said felatio!

  • gcr - 2011-07-26 23:02

    We will get nowhere in the RWC if we persist in keeping Steyn at flyhalf - the guys is quite useless other for his kicking but with Lambie in and Pienaar who needs a kicker. Steyn never protects his channel and neither does Olivier so the flanks are always on the backfoot trying to close the holes these 2 leave open all the time - just rewatch Saturdays game against the Aussies for proof

  • balliebles - 2011-07-26 23:29

    I still believe PDIV is a blue bull supporter because only he can see Olivier's worth.Pick Lambie at 10.

  • Thomas - 2011-07-26 23:30

    Lambie is a flyhalf first and foremost, a very capable fulback but only if we are desperate. We cant waste this guys talents at fullback when we have the flyhalf screwing everything up!!!!!!!! I would rather have had Kockott in place of Mcloud who is a "twinkle toed fancy pance" We needed a trench fighter against NZ, plus we could have left Steyn out as Kockott is the closest to Steyn as a goal kicker than Lambie or Pienaar!!!

  • hawk - 2011-07-26 23:38

    O this site is full of smart people. 10,000 good coaches and all sitting on the side line. Lambie played for 20 minutes against the Wallabies B side. If anybody had noticed when he came on all the important Wallabies had been substituted. Did Steyn cost us the game. Noooo. What cost us the game was the turnover ball. In other words the forwards. We were dominated and beaten up front and then outplayed by a very smart Quade Cooper. Our backline tackling was suspect with mistakes being made by every backline player. All in all we had no plan, and looked leaderless. If you want to get rid of somebody dump Oupa Smith and Start Chilliboy. If you cant win it upfront you can forget to win it in the back. As easy as that. Has been the case for 100 years and still is

      Feds - 2011-07-27 07:25

      So whose fault was it that Steyn tackled like a piece of overcooked spaghetti? He was USELESS! Steyn has always only been able to play behind a dominant pack who gives him 2-3 seconds per ball to plan his kick, he has and always will be poor under pressure. Regarding Quade Cooper being so dominant all day long? Well lookat his opposite number... Steyn. He was dominated, beaten and humiliated against a real playmaking flyhalf. Steyn in comparison looked like a spectator had gotten lost on the field and was trying his best to get out of everyones way

      Travis - 2011-07-27 08:20

      I agree with Feds...why would you want to drop to two players who did well...Smit and Ralaphele? Problem was with the loosies - where the heck was Stegmann???? I have to say that based on the performance on Saturday, I would have liked to have seen how Keegan Daniels could have made a difference if given a chance. The backline was totally nowhere on attack and defence, and that is Steyns job to marshal the backline. He was badly off the pace, and has been all season.

      Albo - 2011-07-27 08:21

      Don`t forget Steyn is the most predictable player ever known. Cooper keeps you guessing. You never know if he`ll kick, pass, run... Steyn just kicks and sucks at tackling.

      Mr. B - 2011-07-27 15:47

      Hawk, what cost us the game was Steyn's completely crap defence. That cost us dearly. Dude as a flyhalf, you learn from mini rugby days that you always defend the inside shoulder (closest to the breakdown), clearly Morne missed that weekend, hence Cooper having half an acre of space. When you have your loosies always on the backfoot because they have doubts about ten and twelve's channel defence, you're gonna get beaten to the breakdown in numbers every time a coconut.

  • Neilson - 2011-07-27 00:16

    I have to agree with some comments here. If we need to put someone out of position the put the more experienced player on full back, Lambe on Flyhalf and Steyn on Full back. This will be good for the future of SA Rugby to get Lambe in his future to be regular Springbok position a bit sooner to gain more experience there.

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-27 06:30

      In the 2008 Super14, Zane Kirschner was the Bulls' only fullback on tour. After the first match he was suspended for a dangerous tackle and the Bulls started using Morné at fullback. It was a total disaster. His positional play was atrocious.

      Rob van den Heuvel - 2011-07-27 07:55

      @Dozer - is that you Lloyd, or did someone hack into your account?

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-27 08:00

      It's me Bob.

  • Magmansa - 2011-07-27 01:24

    This is actually disappointing, I was hoping Lambie would show up Morne at flyhalf again this weekend...

  • slg - 2011-07-27 01:31

    In a normal Springbok team, free of political interference, Gio Aplan would be an exceptional impact player playing wing.

      Karoobloed - 2011-07-27 02:26

      That is exactly how he has been used at times in the past - and one of the few Boks that excell wherever he plays. Please do not suggest he is a "quota"player. Rather pick on "oupa" player Smit.

      slg - 2011-07-27 03:32

      That is all he would be used as in a true Springbok team, which this is not and which we haven't seen in many years.

      Karoobloed - 2011-07-27 04:37

      Are you angry or are you sad? You definitely seem biased, but in a way that somehow suggests the potential for healing. Once you cross the Rubicon and leave behind the prejudice, your load will be lighter. Like Mandela beautifully said, the previously oppressed can also liberate the oppressor. The day may well come when a black captain will lift the RWC for the Boks. There will be many tears of joy.

      slg - 2011-07-27 06:53

      I'm sad at the degradation of Springbok rugby by political interference. For the record, I was an anti-Apartheid activist.

  • SouthernersBKK - 2011-07-27 04:39

    Everyone is worried about our inside backs, they're not even going to get the ball with that tight 5. Hargreaves is about as menacing as a Portuguese footballer and Mostert will be making his debut. Our front row aren't exactly compatible and will be destroyed.... the joys of having a kiwi best friend.... eish

  • Drewka - 2011-07-27 04:56

    Play Lambie on flyhalf, Adi on inside center, Pienaar at fullback. All of the experienced boks did not play their part against Oz, so give the youngsters a chance. We have nothing to lose. We already lost our pride last weekend.

  • Riaan - 2011-07-27 05:23

    Ja J.J. Harmse, you idiot. Shows you how long you have been watching rugby. Lambie is a flyhalf not a freaken fullback. If Diff puts him at fullback he'll be just as stupid as you. You want them to stuff him up like they did with Steyn and Gaffie. If you want to report on rugby study the history as well. Scaramouche wake up and smell the fullbacks.

  • Bulldozer - 2011-07-27 05:35

    He was very good in last year's Super14 for the Sharks. Keep him there.

      kosie - 2011-07-27 15:43

      and he was very good in this years S15 at fly half put him there

  • Jackman - 2011-07-27 05:59

    Are the Boks the only international side with a tradition of ruining players by playing them out of position? At least we seem to have finally dropped the idea that backs have to be big in order to be selected. Sorry about that Brent, Joe and all - you were on the scene just too early to get the chances you deserved

  • PikeLee - 2011-07-27 06:56

    As flyhalf please! Steyn has lost it!

      BiggestBull - 2011-07-27 08:23

      What??? Lost it? How can you write him off after he struggled in one game? He is the complete 10 and will prove you wrong!

      Aldo - 2011-07-27 09:25

      @BiggestBull$%^t HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA! OMG! Complete flyhalf! hahahahaHAHAHAAA! Awesome! I love your humour :)

  • Preshan - 2011-07-27 07:14

    Play him at 10...

      BiggestBull - 2011-07-27 08:17

      Play him at 23.

  • veryhandsome - 2011-07-27 07:19

    Yes bring him in and more English South African rugby players , they have better mentality when playing the game.

      BiggestBull - 2011-07-27 08:17

      I agree.

  • veryhandsome - 2011-07-27 07:21

    Bring in HERCULES VENTER , does anyone remember this young guy in school rugby

      BiggestBull - 2011-07-27 08:19

      Yes, but unfortunately he forgot how to turn right and is now in the WP Rugby Institute

  • Anneleen - 2011-07-27 08:06

    ...cannot wait to see Lambie in action...he deserves to be on that field Saturday...the whole match, please!

      BiggestBull - 2011-07-27 08:20

      Lambie is overrated. More Bulls in the team please.

      Anneleen - 2011-07-27 08:52

      @BiggestBull...Lambie is most certainly not overrated...

      Maverick - 2011-07-27 09:05

      BiggestBull, is that your name because you're big Bulls supporter, or because you talk the biggest bull of all? I tend to think option 2...

      BiggestBull - 2011-07-27 09:15

      OMW!! Are you Maverick from Top Gun?!

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-27 09:23

      Maverick, the little idiot isn't really a Bulls supporter. It's a disgruntled bloke with a very low selfesteem looking for attention.

      theunsvw - 2011-07-27 13:37

      Biggest bull. biggest bull sh&t. I am also a bulls supporter, but when it comes to the National team we should be honest, Lambie brings much more to the bok team on current form...!

  • BiggestBull - 2011-07-27 08:17

    Headline should have read: "Juan de Jongh's backdoor opens for Lambie" What a talentless little Durbanite. Steyn is the real deal and proved it over the years.

  • Mark - 2011-07-27 08:17

    No Div, he is not a centre! He is a flippen flyhalf! Thats where he must play! For Saturday he can be a fullback, thats where we need him to be, once off. Wouldnt mind seeing Adi Jacobs on Saturday so that JdJ can actually get some ball to work with! Send Wynand home, he has got an appointment at the salon for more highlights!

  • kenroid - 2011-07-27 08:48 name is Morne Steyn and I kan laaik to up and under! It may have been the game plan but it SUCKED! Was it the first 3 times he got the ball??? Him and ruan pienaar kicked the ball away at crucial moments! NZ team rarely every kick the ball - so its just gifting them possession...we had better not have the same useless strategy this weekend!

  • Chuck Norris - 2011-07-27 09:24

    I see it's becoming a trend to bash Morne and Olivier?

  • chucky123 - 2011-07-27 09:40

    Just play Charl Mcleod with Steyn. You must not forget that Steyn has not played with Ruan before and Lambie has. If Lambie plays with Fourie he will play a diffrent game as Fourie doesnt know and plays a game that suits a Flyhalf like Steyn. Dont rush Lambie we are going to brake the poor fellow. He has talent and we have to manage it as his province is not going to play at Flyhalf if Freddie is there. So here comes another Brent Russell, Gawie Du Toit and Ruan Pienaar case. A lot of people was also against John Smit, Percey, Butch before the World Cup in 2007, they still won. Now stop critising and Support

  • Doosra - 2011-07-27 10:43

    Has anyone noticed the lack of Stormers players in this squad-poor De jongh is playing outside meisiekind a near impossible task?The Stormers finished top of the SA conf even with guys like Jean De Villiers,Jacque Fourie and Habana out of form for most of the season-reason for this:Loosies guys who should be Springboks are: 1. Francois Louw (miles ahead of Stegmann),he also played well for the Boks last year (2 man of the match perform) before being dropped after one poor game against McCaw.2.Duane Vermeulen-probably the best eight man in World rugby at the moment - it is a pity he is injured, but should be a sure pick for the World Cup. 3.Peter Grant - he played really well until he got injured and then had an average season after that (but one could sense that he was playing with an injury through most of the games) He is solid on defence,has a good pass and is statistically the best goal kicker in SA - so what about his line kicks - ask Francois Steyn to step in if need be to take the kicks. Peter also has the benefit of playing with JdV and Fourie and De Jongh for a couple of seasons now. He is also a Maritzburg College old boy - same as Joel Stransky and Butch James with whom we won the previous World Cups I would pick:Sharks Front row (Beast, Smit/Bismarck, Jannie) with the Bull pair of Bakkies, Matfield and Danie(bench), then play Flo,Schalk,Duane Juan (bench), 9 Hougaard, 10 Grant, 12 JdV, 13 Fourie,11 Aplon14JP15Steyn, Bench: Lambie, FDu Preez, Mvovo/De Jongh

  • Gavin - 2011-07-27 11:33

    Give Lambie a chance and lets see if Morne can find some better form......not such a bad call for what we have available on tour at the moment.

  • theunsvw - 2011-07-27 13:34

    This is not even debatable, I think the bok door is open for other flyhalfs, Lambie is a sure choice!

      BiggestBull - 2011-07-27 14:11

      I disagree, please refer to my comments above for my insightful notes.

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