NZ target psychological edge

2011-08-14 21:43

Cape Town - The All Blacks have made it their aim to gain a psychological edge over the Springboks in their Tri-Nations Test in Port Elizabeth.

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They will tackle the Boks without stalwarts Richie McCaw, Dan Carter, Brad Thorn, Owen Franks, Mils Muliaina, Sitiveni Sivivatu and Kieran Read.

A win over the Springboks with a weakened team would thus give them a big mental boost over their South African counterparts.

The two teams will in all likelihood meet in the semi-final of the Rugby World Cup - then with full strength line-ups.

"Of course it would help. If we win here (with a weakened side), we will be in a strong position," All Black lock Sam Whitelock told Die Burger newspaper upon the All Blacks' arrival in Port Elizabeth on Sunday.

Some of the juniors in their group also view the Test as an important chance to impress before coach Graham Henry names his World Cup group on 23 August.

"I think this is a last chance," said backline player Cory Jane.

"There will be a couple of nervous blokes. We still have a task at hand this week and we can't worry too much if we're going to make the World Cup squad or not. It's on everyone's minds, but first there's a huge match this weekend."

Whitelock also feels the Boks will be a "dangerous" side after their home loss to the Wallabies on Saturday.

"They are playing in front of their own fans and want to rectify a few things," said Whitelock.


  • kiwiruz - 2011-08-14 21:55

    Expect a dangerous Bok side for sure, they have just had their bones rattled and should have things sorted out for the AB's as there can be no more excuses, the AB's are without 1/2 their best so it will be a massive ask for them to beat SA on home soiil. Now Smit is gone the scrum should be OK, its going to be a big one, but AB's by 10

      Marcell - 2011-08-15 04:14

      With 'vuilgat' Bakkies in the team it is always dangerous!

      Netherlands - 2011-08-15 05:01

      Yep... expect a 'dangerous' game with Bakkies.... also expect LOADS OF PENALTIES!!!!!

      Phelan Wulf - 2011-08-15 07:24

      @Marcell and Netherlands, time to head your heads out of your @rses boys. Bakkies was one of the FEW to step up this weekend. Even in the face of deliberate provocation Bakkies kept his cool and played his heart out. Even Danie went in swinging twice. But Bakkies kept his cool. So why dont you rather comment on the rest of the useless ruckers... Like JS, JDeV and FDuP?

      Tonsil - 2011-08-15 07:33

      It is not difficult to have a psychological edge over the Boks.

      Sh@rks Fever - 2011-08-15 07:58

      Come on Bokke. You need to restore confidence in your own abillities and our confidence in you as I see most of us are very negative. We did look good at times on Saturday but our midfield didn't spread the ball well enough. Few opportunites lost and I believe we did play better than Oz. Any suggestions as I think we should field the following team against the AB's. 15.F Steyn 14.JP 13.Fourie 12.De Villiers 11.Habanna 10.Butch 9.Fourie 8.Spies 7.Alberts 6.Brussow 5.Matfield(C) 4.Bakkies 3.Jannie 2.Bismarck 1.Beast. 16.Chilli 17.Guthro 18.Mostert. 19.Deysel. 20.Hougaard 21.Lambie. 22.De Jongh/Mvovo. If F Steyn is injured Lambie should go to 15 and Mvovo and De Jongh must be on the bench.

      Staalbal - 2011-08-15 08:20

      "vuilgat" Bakkies had an immense game on Saturday, He can have brain farts some times, but adds alot to the Bok team.

      Tools1 - 2011-08-15 08:34

      Yo Sh@rk fever. Much agreed with your team, Fourie dupreez needs some game time and that would be the only reason i would start him ahead of Hougard, did you see how hungry he looked when he came on? Spies impresed me. We losed alot of momentum with Rossouw trying to pull off a Schalk Burger.

      Marcus Daily - 2011-08-15 08:39

      All Black team for Saturday: 15. Israel Dagg 14. Cory Jane 13. Ma'a Nonu 12. Sonny Bill Williams 11. Zac Guilford 10. Colin Slade 9. Jimmy Cowan 8. Jerome Kaino 7. Adam Thomson 6. Liam Messon 5. Ali Williams 4. Jarrad Hoeta 3. John Afoa 2. Kevin Mealamu 1. Tony Woodcock Subs 16. Andrew Hore 17. Ben Franks 18. Sam Whitelock 19. Victor Vito 20. Piri Weepu 21 Isia Toeva 22. Richard Kahui Wyatt Crcocket and Andy Ellis to miss out. Still a top class side without Carter and McCaw

      roboman1 - 2011-08-15 09:54

      Firstly, well played by the Boks on Saterday against OZ, we getting there, secondly, it does not matter what happens this weekend, cause New Zealand will choke in the world cup, like they always do. Without McCaw, who appears to be an out and out cheat if anyone is openly honest about his play, perhaps the game of rugby will be better off without that kind of obstructive rule bending employed by McCaw. As for Bakkies, he is learning, his discipline was good on Saturady, even in the face of a spear tackle etc. (BTW, how come no ozzie was sent off for 3 spear tackles in the space of 5 minutes on saturday?)

  • Drewka - 2011-08-14 22:01

    Good luck mighty AB's. I think the boks will return that 40-7 score.

      Richard - 2011-08-14 22:56

      Dreaming. Possible Boks will take this 1 but nmjot by 33 points...

      Ferraro - 2011-08-15 04:33

      youre an idiot mate

      kiwi - 2011-08-15 07:16


      Chief Kok - 2011-08-15 07:44

      You are dreaming dude!!!

  • Karoobloed - 2011-08-14 22:02

    Do not think the Boks require any more "blows". The ABs should start preparing the cabinet for the RWC. Yes, sad to have to rejoice when Tellytubby Smit is injured.

      Travis - 2011-08-14 22:20

      I am not happy to see Smit sidelined. I think that he played really well, and although he was not as solid as Jannie at tighthead, the problems started when Gurthro came on. He is a very weak scrummager. Smit did a great job - hit his lineout jumpers ever time (the same cannot be said of Bismark), was strong on defense, and hit the ball up really hard.

      Drewka - 2011-08-14 22:40

      I agree with you Travis. Give the man a break, he always plays his heart out, gives 110% for the green and gold.

      Russell - 2011-08-15 03:26

      I think Smit had a great game. After the WC we really will be at odds for a captain. Many here are touting Matfield as captain, but a captain needs to lead from the front and Matfield does not. Watching the game Matfield was no where to be found except at lineout time. Bakkies carried the ball around like a monster. I think the forwards we had at the start are what we need for the RWC, no place for Schalk Burger. Apart from Andries Bekker, it appears we have no other locks in the country. Many also compalained that Brussouw was taken off too early, but he has been out with a serious injury for so long. I would have been happy if he had been subbed at half time, and as for Spies. Best game in many years. The backs were excellent although I am not sure of De Villiers. I was disappointed he did not pass the ball, it was almost like he should be introduced the men outside him. Frans Steyn was great, and unfortunately he also showed that beside him, we have no fullback up to international standards. Back to John Smit, every is hammering him for being a poor prop, but it seems many forget that the current regime made him a prop, when clearly he is and always will be a great hooker, why mess with that. We are blessed to have someone of Bismarcks calibre as no 2 hooker, but until next year, he needs to come on in the last quarter and be the monster he is. Just my opinion on what I saw in this year's 3 nations so far.

  • SonderSnor - 2011-08-14 22:25

    Sad to say a blow can only be delivered to someone with dignity and pride. Our rugby leadership has stooped to a level where the once proud Springbok jersey is now handed out to the sick lame and lazy to get game time. Another win for NZ will have no effect on the team. We are not in it to win games any more but hell bent of giving respect and golden handshakes to our 2007 RWC winners before they jet off to England, France and Japan to warm the benches over there.

  • Travis - 2011-08-14 22:26

    This was a much better performance, and I think that the AB team will not have everything all their way. Front row was immense, especially Beast and Smit. Spies - best game in 2 years. Du Preez looking good. Butchie put in some monster hits, and I think that Will Genia's teeth are still rattling. Backline was ok, but handling was a major let-down. This we can correct. Would like to see more ball getting out to the wings. Habana starting to regain some form, although his habit of breaking the line on defense gives me grey hairs!!!!! M Steyn sits too deep to be any threat to a decent side. Time up for him. Danie Rossouw was very soft. Slipping too many tackles, and didn't look like he wanted to be there. Leave Brussouw and bring on Deysel. Give the human wrecking ball a full go!!!

      kiwiNZ - 2011-08-15 01:28

      @Travis yeah mate. to be realistic even the little improvements by the boks in their personal game still could not be converted into points.It became obvious in the first few minutes that all the boks planned to do was to charge forward with the heavy weights,get into the 22m and drop kick from there or get a penalty. A try was plan B,C or perhaps not even on the cards.Your suggestions on what they should do will remain just a "wish list" because as a viewer you can see better . When you play its another story. All you have at the moment is great expectations of what these players used to do well in the past.That my friend is history. You must accept bok reality in 2011

      Koos - 2011-08-15 05:33

      Have to agree with kiwiNZ here. We must accept bok reality in 2011. The boks won't reach the finals. All the excuses are getting pretty lame and embarrassing to say the least.

      transkeidave - 2011-08-15 06:19

      kiwinz hit the nail on the head and your comments not off the mark either--when last have we seen the bok back 3 look really dangerous and brought into play?small signs of offloading in the tackle but i fear its too late to teach the ballies this?not convined about our front row either?i fear the game plan is so one dimensional that we have run up our own asses and cannot see daylight anymore--not that we dont have the talent--its just poorly used and far to late to change for the RWC--4 wasted years???

      realist - 2011-08-15 08:25

      Smit in second half at prop was useless. Australia pushed our scrum into the ground. Smit cannot play prop. Period.

  • Roy - 2011-08-15 01:50

    Not a snowballs chance in Hell that we will win an All Black side without some of their best players.

  • NZdreamer - 2011-08-15 04:47

    With all said and done, I am obviously a AB fan of note, but, I do think the Boks are going to step up to the plate with this next match!! I think all the Bok supporters are going to be pleasantly surprised!

      Koos - 2011-08-15 06:05

      Care to put a little wager on that!!! The boks won’t reach the finals. Compare this team with the previous one that won the world cup (they barely won), and you’d soon realize that hopeful bok supporters are living in a dream world. This team is 70% of that team on any good day. In those days we had everything – the scrum, defence, attack. We had the best scrum half, lineout players and wing in the world. On top of that we had a great coaching team. What is left of that? Just hope and dreams.

      kiwiNZ - 2011-08-15 06:10

      Mate this next match is irrelevant to the boks as a measure of their performance even if they do win because we did not send all they are going to face come RWC. For us the match is merely an excercise to give our players with less game time an opportunity to prove their worthiness for RWC selection. Winning this test will be a minor bonus, the priority however will be for henry to have a fair measure of who he selects for RWC 2011. Our AB level of confidence is such that we can send a team to SA without their captain and key players just to give others a fair go to be selected.Winning it is not the main issue. The boks might view it diffently because of their issues and if they win this saturday I expect that they will consider that win as a true indication of their chance to progress to the final.That unfortunetly is their nature "to read too much in too little "instead of facing reality and that will ultimately serve as their final undoing.

      Mike@CapeT - 2011-08-15 06:36 are using similar reasons as to why our coaching staff sent over a 'B' team to Kiwiland. Don't get me wrong, I am very critical of our coaching decisions at the moment (and over the past 4 years) but don't use our recent tour down under as a yardstick as to how competitive we will be at the WC, which a lot of you Kiwi's and Aussies are doing......this past weekends result is also no yardstick, the players were clearly in need of the game and I don't think that the coaching staff will lose too much sleep over that result! I do believe though, that the result this coming weekend will be important for us.

  • slg - 2011-08-15 06:05

    It shouldn't be too difficult to achieve this, given the current circumstances.

      kiwiNZ - 2011-08-15 09:06

      @ Mike@CapeT - your comment: " are using similar reasons as to why our coaching staff sent over a 'B' team to Kiwiland." I disagree mate. pdvvy had 2or 3 real boks in oz & nz. the rest were never boks before and lacked the x factor to ever be selected under normal circumstances hence the result.Those poor blokes never stood a chance & pdvvy knew that but he wanted to give the 21 at home an advantage that has now been in vain.So I never even factored in the Oz & NZ bok failure into my comment above as a yardstick as you think cause that would not be a true reflection of the real boks as I know them.Henry however is sending real all blacks that were really injured and needed game time for rwc selection because they are damn good players worthy of selection.We dont have a "B" team mate.I'll give all their names so you can check it out.In the Oz game saturday only J Smit & 1 other real bok forward was in the match.Not 1 of the "future boks" as JS called them were even given another chance to prove themselves and I dont think they will ever see a bok jersey again except lambie who shows great potential but lacks experience.I do expect to see 98% of this bok team in the rwc because thats all there is hence their presence on saturday with oz.The result will be important to you cause a win will provide you with a false sense of confidence for a RWC thats already out of reach but you refuse to see that.Denial is a bugger for anyone who has an obvious problem.

      Mike@CapeT - 2011-08-15 09:38 guys carry on thinking this way! I don't disagree with some of what you have said....but the arrogance of your statement '.....already out of reach'! Sorry mate, but who are the 'chokers' around here.......already, so much is expected of the NZ team.

  • gansgatte - 2011-08-15 06:54

    WTH --"kitchen recipe book" -- we are upon the WC and they are busy cooking!!

      kiwiNZ - 2011-08-15 10:37

      @Mike@CapeT ...Umm I dont mean to sound arrogant mate but rather I am confident in what we all witness in the AB's performance going forward.If the AB's played like the boks are playing now I would say the AB's are crap in an instant and will not fool myself otherwise.Like you I would also be demanding the coach's " henry" head on a block! with 4,3 million other kiwis.The Boks & Oz are our traditional rivals & obviously the obstacle for us in any rwc.Truth be told the boks or pdivvy in particular had done absolutely nothing spectacular 4 selection the past 4 yrs to make me feel concerned now 20+ days b4 rwc 2011.Its 4yrs later & we see that his rwc 2011 team are really 90% the 2007 rwc team who are very old and tired players.Thats a total disaster in strategy in anyone's language as the Oz match results show & not allowing them game time in the australasia Tri Nns leg to prepare combinations etc was a calculated risk that has been proven to be a total failure.Just look at pdvvy run around like a headless chicken trying to find players to replace injured players for this saturday & then again for the RWC 14 days thereafter.Its a sad reflection of poor team (mis)management & an international embarrassment for the RWC champs to be in this state of affairs.Deans on the other hand had been preparing carefully for 4 yrs suffering losses along the way but steadily making adjustments & tweaking here & there to where he is now, ready to smash us.So Oz is our only problem this RWC

      Mike@CapeT - 2011-08-15 11:27 are not telling us anything new. We Saffa's know that we have an idiot for a coach. We know that he has been bumbling around while 'Rome burns'. We know all these things but, at the end of the day....just like 4 years ago....we all support our team and hopefully, like Eddie Jones helped Jake White out of the dwang, Rassie can do the same thing. Hope is eternal and I still say your statements are arrogant......NZ are not going to just pitch up and win the world cup and I am not saying South Africa will either but, don't believe that they are just there to make up the numbers.

  • goofree - 2011-08-15 07:00

    kiwinz mate this is a all black side who has one thing in mind and that wining this game not about selection been the main reason you loose this one then you looking over you shoulder am I out you do your job then you will get selected on performance and that's only by wining . At the moment Henry is wining the Psychological game by using words resting players (not using that player are injured as a excuse) its sending it to the Boks and also too the wallabies so he wants nothing less then a win this weekend like the rest of the rugby public ot New Zealand.

      kiwiNZ - 2011-08-15 09:31

      @goofree - agreed up to a point mate.The AB's NEVER play to lose but in this instance the real focus I believe should be for each previously injured player to make a statement about their being the preferred selection. How well they play will be noted by Henry & co. The game could be lost by a simple error that was not caused by said players but another player or even the ref not witnessing something important (France forward pass 2007 comes to mind here) but it will be those "injured" players positive contribution to the team effort that will have them in the rwc squad. Of course we NZ'nders want a win all the time but for me personally it’s not important in this match, only the correct selection of all available top performers for RWC 2011 and boy do we have several fine options. It’s hard to say who must play and who sits & watches.They are all worthy for selection. Pity we can’t just take them all.

  • BardofAvon - 2011-08-15 07:10

    Btw: Did anyone else see Bok #10 Bruce James's attempted ankle tap on the Wallaby player who had scored a try and was running back to the halfway line? If he'd got him surely he would have been sent off?

      sean - 2011-08-15 07:35

      Bruce James ! ! ! ! ! ...... is he any relation to Butch James ?

  • kiwi - 2011-08-15 07:22


  • LionsFan - 2011-08-15 07:34

    Boks could have beaten aussies ,but certain players need to learn to pass ,Jean de Villiers had the ball at least 6 times and made no attempt to pass ,Beast was awesome but if he had passed two easy tries .Why are we not playing the ABs on the highveld ,stuff them up with the altitude,GO LIONS\

  • Tonsil - 2011-08-15 07:42

    Just because the current team won the RWC does not mean they will win it again. Why not recall the 1995 Bok team because they also won the RWC. Our players are old and over the hill and cannot last 60 minutes never mind 80. Mr Helium has done nothing in 4 years to build a new team. He only relies on what Jake built. Sadly we will not go past the quarter finals.

  • Chief Kok - 2011-08-15 07:57

    Good morning my fellow SAfricans. How are my springbok mates doing? Huge week ahead of us. Difficult to predict the PE test. Boks must redeem themselves and All Blacks play for proud and WC spots. Going to be a cracker.

      slg - 2011-08-15 08:29

      It's easy to predict this one: NZ 100 : Proteas 0 The Springbok era ended long time ago. Just so you know.

      Chief Kok - 2011-08-15 08:35

      Based on the overwhelming reception of the ABs in PE, there are rumours that it will be an away game for the boks. They expect more than 50% of the crowd to be AB supporters.

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  • Straightdeal - 2011-08-15 08:29

    I fear a massive thumping by the All Blacks on Saturday. But miracles do happen, so here's hoping the Boks can muster everything they have together to put in a good performance to boost their confidence before the RWC.

  • Marcus Daily - 2011-08-15 08:33

    All Black team for Saturday: 15. Israel Dagg 14. Cory Jane 13. Ma'a Nonu 12. Sonny Bill Williams 11. Zac Guilford 10. Colin Slade 9. Jimmy Cowan 8. Jerome Kaino 7. Adam Thomson 6. Liam Messon 5. Ali Williams 4. Jarrad Hoeta 3. John Afoa 2. Kevin Mealamu 1. Tony Woodcock Subs 16. Andrew Hore 17. Ben Franks 18. Sam Whitelock 19. Victor Vito 20. Piri Weepu 21 Isia Toeva 22. Richard Kahui Wyatt Crcocket and Andy Ellis to miss out. Still a top class side without Carter and McCaw

      MJ - 2011-08-15 08:48

      It may be a weakened side but I think that this AB team looks bloody exciting none the less. Midfield combo will be a monster. Expect some massive hits from Kahui and Thompson and some razzle dazzle from the two form fullbacks of the S15 - Iceman and Dagg. It's great to have them back. I'm sure there will be a higher AB error rate compared with the last game - and the Boks SHOULD be favorites here. But I can't wait to see this game and watch our guys try and stamp themselves into the RWC squad. One things for sure - this team will be a helluva lot more voracious than the pretenders who were sent to our shores wearing Bokke jerseys.

      Chief Kok - 2011-08-15 08:58

      Zac will miss out. GH will play Hosea Gear. For him, Gear is the Tiger Woods of rugby.Nonu will certainly be benched and Kahui will start on 13. Kaino will play 7 and Thomson will play 8.

      Dhaamin - 2011-08-15 19:58

      dude...i dont think nonu will start as henry did say he is only with for cover. I think your team is spot on..but Kahui will start in nonu's place and i have a feeling that toeava is going to pip c jane seeing had a full game against the boks and they already know what he offers.

  • Totman - 2011-08-15 08:40

    The AB did not choose a weaker team to play in PE to brake the Springboks's spirit. They picked a weaker team to prevent losing their spirit if losing. If they win the Springboks, with this team, they will score double. Yes, it can brake the Springbok's spirit a bit, but the main aim was to secure themselves 1st. So people do not listen to this sensational talk and writing. Rather think of a way to counter this game they play. The only way now is for the Springboks is to win them with a big score or to throw the match completely by do as few changes and testing of combinations that they believe we were not planning to win, but are still building. That will cause a big disappointment with the spectators, but will leave the AB in that same unsure spot where they currently are. Yes, they are unsure and have that history to proof wrong. Do not only look at how they perform currently. They still have that "hill" to conquer. This test on Saturday is mainly for the AB to test the waters against a strong SA. My question is are we patient and clever enough to "play" them or are we just want to win on the day?

  • jk - 2011-08-15 08:48

    boks to win by 2

      Maori - 2011-08-15 08:56

      Mooi oom!

  • Gideon Hanekom - 2011-08-15 08:50

    Just saw here "The Crowd goes wild" (Sport Program here in NZ) the amount of support there is for ABs in SA ... from people who've never even been in NZ and based on ideas about NZ culture that I can assure them would surprise a few of those SAs. Mark Ellis reckon SA will be thumped this weekend by AB "B" side, and it will be Wallabie AB final. They have no fear for Boks here in NZ - regardless of what papers say. Sad.

  • BB - 2011-08-15 08:53

    Nou dat OUPA smit uit is kan ek weer die bokke support! Dif ek hoop die lig gaan aan vir jou hierdie naweek.

  • Dan - 2011-08-15 09:03

    No need for a psychological edge when you are facing a team with a mentally handicapped coach. The reporter shouldn't speculate about a semi-final clash just yet. The Boks will need to get past Wales and Samoa first, which currently looks a bit daunting. Wales can beat us any day and Samoa showed what they can do against AUS. I think this year the Boks might be the big talk of the town for an early flight home. Hopefully SARU will then save us from our absolutely pathetic coaching staff. Yet again DIV killed us off with his idiotic use of substitutions.

  • bobby - 2011-08-15 09:37

    i think bok game plan outdated and they lack creativity. I think that its important to adjust our game plan to suit conditions in New Zealand where fields are heavier and sometimes smaller. We have the forwards but lacked tactical kicking by no 9, 10 and 15. Looking back at NZ game where Steyn executed brilliant kick to rght side of field and a few minutes later Smith scored. Making more use of tactical kicking (or using it as plan B) will also force teams like Samoa and Fiji to turn around because physically they match any international team. We shud plan smarter and execute with precision. Bok foreva!

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