Ex-Boks back under fire Smit

2011-08-03 08:50

Cape Town - Three former Springboks have supported John Smit's inclusion in the Springbok team for the upcoming Rugby World Cup.

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Bok coach Peter de Villiers faces a tough selection poser at hooker. Should he opt for the experienced Smit with his exceptional leadership abilities? Or should he rather go for the more favourable Bismarck du Plessis, whom many pundits feel is a much better option?

However, former Springboks feel it will be a big mistake if De Villiers leaves Smit out of the Boks' World Cup side.

Corné Krige, the Bok captain at the 2003 World Cup, warned that the Springbok management should learn from mistakes made in the past.

"When Nick Mallett was coach (in 1999), he faced a similar selection poser between Gary Teichmann and Bob Skinstad. He underestimated Teichmann's value when the team needed a good leader," Krige told the Beeld newspaper.

Krige says he does not know how De Villiers will handle the situation, but expressed the need for good communication and logical thought processing.

"It's a problem that needs to be solved with the best interests of South African rugby in mind."

Teichmann also expressed the importance of having Smit in the squad. "John Smit's captaincy is imperative. There is no doubt that he should be in the 22-man squad," said Teichmann.

John Allan, a former Bok hooker from Natal, says the Springboks will have no chance to win the World Cup without Smit. "He needs to get gametime now. The Sharks should have played him at hooker a lot more during the Super Rugby competition," said Allan.

Allan believes that Smit has the respect of all the players and is "priceless" in the Bok team-environment.

The Kwazulu-Natalian also believes that Smit is the only one able to mould all the other senior players into a tight-knit unit.


  • Makutu - 2011-08-03 09:06

    The Teichman story used to justify John Smit's inclusion is so stupid!!! How and why? So, according to these guys, Gary Teichman would have stopped Steven Larkam's freakish drop goal in EXTRA TIME? The Springboks of 1999 payed brilliant rugby and they lost because they were not the better team on the day. From what I know, they beat England with a record World Cup score and they did well in all the other games. Gary Teichman wouldn't have made a difference there? How? Would he have motivated the guys to go and charge down Stephen Larkam's drop goal attempt? I seriously doubt it. Corne Krige can't reason properly. Go to and see for yourself. On Saturday, John Smit and Danie Russouw missed more tackles than the entire All Blacks 22 in the match? So much for experience and leadership huh? Drop John Smit. We can do a lot better without him. He led SA in the past 12 games and he lost 7 of those games. Look at the statistics, John Smit has one of the lowest winning percentages as a captain. He is overrated! Highly overrated. As a player, he has never been SA's best hooker after 2005. Simple as that. DROP THE GUY, Matfield can lead the team.

      Makutu - 2011-08-03 09:11

      We actually lost 8 of the past 12 games he captained. In the Tri Nations, we lost 7 of the last 8 games under him. WOW, Korne Krige? Come on... He can go as part of the coaching stuff, certainly not as a player.Chilliboy makes such a huge difference when he comes onto the Hooker position. Smit walks around the filed the entire game. The players breaks start right in front of him (it happened more than 5 times on Saturday). He can't tackle, he is too slow and he doesn't really motivate the guys. John Plumtree dropped him towards the end of the super15. He was hinting to us all. That man is finished goods. He must go to Europe where they tolerate slow players like himself.

      myjdjames - 2011-08-03 09:20

      Makuta, i dont agree with everything you had to say. South Arica didnt play brilliant rugby in 1999.Prior to the world cup, the managed just 34 points in their 4 tri nations matches with just 6 points scored away from home; finishing Last as well. As for the World Cup, they beat Uruguay by scoring just 39 points (39-3) and Spain (47-3). Thats hardly inspiring or brilliant. The Teichmann dropping brought serious divisions in the team especially with the Kwazulu natalians being upset (Honiball, Andrews). We wont get into that though. As for John Smit's captaincy record, he is level (in percentage wins) with Francois Pienaar (65%) and ahead of André Vos, Bobby Skinstad, Naas Botha and Corné Krige. (as well as: Basie Viviers, Dawie de Villiers and Avril Malan) So do not comment without properly researching. Thank you.

      JohnnyBB - 2011-08-03 09:25

      ......PDV + John Smit = bye, bye World Cup...!!!

      JohnnyBB - 2011-08-03 09:27

      ...drop John Smit ... ...and PDV.... ......asap....!!!!

      Ruff-ian - 2011-08-03 09:27

      @Makutu your reply to your self makes no sense and clearly your were not watching the same game I was. John is a legend as far as I am concerned and he is in very good shape currently. I'm tired of the SA public glorifying and player and when they feel he no longer cuts it, they slate him, I think there is no better motivator(for me at least)when someone say you can't do it. I'll do it ten time better than you and your Mama put together. Keep your head up JOHN SMITH, your knowledge and know however is more vast than some of the the other countries entire Team. BOK KOP

      Phelan Wulf - 2011-08-03 09:33

      I wonder how much they payed these 3 guys to come out with this crap?

      Makutu - 2011-08-03 09:44

      Jeremiser, look at the Tri Nations records under John Smit then. Where was he in 2008 when we won in Dunedin? Look at the World Cup scores of 2007 too. We struggled to beat Tonga and Fiji! All I wanted to put across is that based on how John Smit iscurrently playing, he does NOT deserve to be a Springbok. Not by a long shot! Look at the statistics? From the end of 2009 to today, the man has hardly won a game as a captain. As a Shark captain, he has won 0. He's been riding the wave of the Bulls and province players for far too long.

      2012 - 2011-08-03 09:52

      Yes...well bloody said!!

      Mojojo - 2011-08-03 09:59

      @Jeremiser you are looking at this in the wrong way. You are talking about John Smit's overall record. I agree, he is the best captain we ever had, but on present form, and the form of last year, he is just a liability. JS reord over the last 2 years is terrible, just like his form. He is over the hill. His legacy of the best captain ever WILL be lost. If he leaves now, or is dropped, he will be remembered as the best Captain, and the captain that brought us the world cup, if he goes to the world cup, he will be remembered as that over the hill captain that lost us the world cup. Tough, but true.

      Mojojo - 2011-08-03 10:03

      PS, Some say that Naas Botha was out best fly half ever, should we put him in the 2011 World Cup team? Some say Percy was our best Full Back, should we put him into our team for the 2011 World Cup. Some say Carel Du Plessis was our best wing ever, should we include him in our 2011 World Cup team. It doesn't mean that he was the best Captain ever, that he should automatically be in the team.

      GetReal - 2011-08-03 10:56

      @ Makutu - Your comment that Gary Teichman would not have stopped Larkam's drop goal shows your ignorance about the dynamics of team sport!

      Sh@rks Fever - 2011-08-03 11:18

      I think we should do the following. For the next two games John Smit is allowed to select his springbok team. Anyone he wants and thinks believe in him. They need to put up the same scores that Aus And Nzl put up against us. If his fellow team believe in him they will do this. If they lose then he should pack his bag as a player and assist Gary in coaching the forwards. Simple two tests to prove you should be WC captain.

      Drewka - 2011-08-03 11:18

      SA Rugby can't replace John; he is the best captain ever to wear a Springbok jersey. You can ask any Springbok player who is their captain... and John it will be. To fire PdV and sack John just before the RWC would be a BIG mistake and SA rugby won't recover for the nest 5 years. They need support from us, not our negativity. If we can support them and boost their moral they will bring the WC home.

      Eugene Neethling - 2011-08-03 11:58

      Brillian rugby in 1999 - don't make me laugh - how old were you then 5 / half the team was injured / we scored all the points against England from drop goals and all in all it was a poor showing / Matfiled has zero inspirational and people skills - the last World Cup was won in 2007 with Smit as Capitain - so you reckon he should not have played in 2007 based on your 2005 comment - Do not let your opinion be clouded by your obvious dislike of the person being discussed. If you played any sport in your life - properly - you would know that half of any match is won through inspiring leadership - was Francois the best Number 6 in his position when we won the World Cup in 1995?

      Kleinboet - 2011-08-03 12:14

      Corné is another of those captains who kept on playing long after his best was past. Towards the end how many times did he play with injuries and cost the team as a result? But, it is not necessary to back him as Peter had already picked him some years ago. Just hope he does not die of old age before RWC2011. Will be a problem transporting his coffin all over NZ to get him to the pitch!

      Wayne - 2011-08-03 12:35

      Makutu is just bitter because our captain is english speaking and a Shark... - 2011-08-03 13:48

      @Ruff -Ian .You make such a big case for the guy and u dont even know his name. His name is John Smit not John Smith. WAKE UP!!!

      Ruff-ian - 2011-08-03 15:55

      @ qwansolo that's a tade weak, doncha think?

      slg - 2011-08-03 22:26

      I'm sorry Makatu, but you're wrong about this. Leaving Teichman out was one of the great injustices in world rugby, acknowledged by Nick Mallet. Leadership is an enormous asset and leaving Gary out also tore away at the fabric of the team, it's oneness. Oneness is an incredibly powerful force. That drop-goal would probably have never happened, or even come onto the radar had the team been kept in-tact, such is the multidimensional nature of our human existence.

      Bay Shark - 2011-08-05 08:56

      Matfield is a crap captain

  • SAFFA-CAT - 2011-08-03 09:16

    Enough negativity. Enough. We have what we have in terms of our squad, coaches and gameplan - and at least we KNOW what we have. Whinging, moaning, debating, fighting are ALL ships that have already sailed. I don't know about anyone else, but I remain cautiously optimistic, and I am fed up beyond belief with all the bashing, negativity, doom prophets, haters, moaners, 'experts' and the rest of the BOO brigade. I know what our "A" team players are capable of, and I am banking on them giving it their bloody best as a last hoorah. Support the Boks, Don't support the Boks - but before you decide to write them off, watch this (and yes it was 4 years ago...but, damn, the memory should be enough to give you goosebumps)

      Makutu - 2011-08-03 09:19

      Let by-gones be by-gones, alright! We can only look forward man.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-08-03 09:29

      We have to look forward....and I refuse to believe that these "old men" will go out with a whimper......(if I am wrong, and they fold like cheap paper, I will chomp through my own wrists after biting off my tongue)

      Ruff-ian - 2011-08-03 09:29

      Hell Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!

      Wagga - 2011-08-03 09:49

      I'm not so sure if John Smit still have the support of his players. His performance is just to mediocre of late to demand the respect he needed. A captain have to lead from the front, at the moment John is just not doing that, He misses plenty tackles, slow on the pitch etc. We had the opertunity to spent a memorable night with Sean Fitzpatrick and Cameron Mather in Bahrain. The question was put to Sean about the hooker situation in the Springbok team, his answer was that Bismark du Plessis is the beast hooker in the world at the moment and you always have to play your best players, I tend to agree with Sean on this one. play your best players available all the time.

      Marx - 2011-08-03 10:05

      Saffa, the biggest positive is that our A team has got the tried and tested combinations, that's what's needed to go out and win the WC. I think all the Players wants Smit there, that's what's important.

      JohnnyBB - 2011-08-03 10:16

      ....John Smit = quota player... .....not in the team on merit... .......and PDV = quota coach....

      Steyts - 2011-08-03 10:19

      WOW, saffa-cat, that was amazing times!!!!! Let's hope the boys can do it for us again this year!!!! I know they can, if there is one team that can take it away from the kiwi's it is the BOKS!!!

      Steyts - 2011-08-03 10:21

      @ Wagga, correct me if I'm wrong but as far as I know Sean Fittzpatrick have never won a world cup!! john Smit wasn't the best hooker in the 2007 WC side as well and look what happened!!

      Mike@CapeT - 2011-08-03 10:51

      Saffa....I agree with you however, I am pissed off that Div has had 4 years to mould newer players into the squad but no, from the word go, he has committed himself to work with virtually the same players handed down to him by White, not taking into account that 4 years is actually quite a long time and lots can happen during that time. Some of the changes that have taken place were forced on him by circumstances eg Brussouw and Steyn We have got plenty of quality players. They have not been used properly. Yes, it is too late to discard Smit so we have to support him. It is too late to make wholesale changes to the rest of the team. So we have to support what we have got. I am not even going to go into our outdated game plan...that's another whole new story! The bottom line is that the whole programme has been badly run over the past 4 years. I just hope that the team that runs out at the WC have enough mojo to take them through! They have my full support.

      jk - 2011-08-03 10:55

      saffa- we talked about your long short stories...

      GraemeBB - 2011-08-03 10:58

      I will give John his due for his past achievements. WHEN he goes to the RWC, I will support him, just because I have no choice. But, I honestly think he needs to retire. His captaincy isnt that important as people make it out to be. I think that within the Sharks camp there has been unhappiness about Bismark playing second fiddle, and it has spread to the Bok squad. Chilli is also better, and those two boys are the future. Time to go Johnno

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-08-03 10:58

      and I told you short is not in my vocab :) Morning jk...........

      docraven - 2011-08-03 11:04

      JohnnyBB. You right, Smit is actually a Black person with orange hair.LOL

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-08-03 11:12

      @GraemeBB and Mike@CT - I agree with you chaps on a lot of these issues - but the way I see it - too late for anything now, but to back the boys, and believe in their experiences, their hunger to win, and their talent (that hasn't disappeared because they are suddenly older - hopefully their asses have been whipped into shape - and some gametime should do the rest....) GraemeBB - thats why I ain't even Spies whinging anymore - he is going to the WC and I will support him like I support every other Bok...eish, I will even do his "fitness" challenge at gym as a sign of support :)

      GraemeBB - 2011-08-03 11:30

      @Saffa - I hear what you are saying, and I thought you started to like Spies :-) I think we all just like talking about the issues as we see them. I still harbour the belief that we can do it, and Fridays I have my bok jersey on before I brush my teeth.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-08-03 12:15

      @GraemeBB - there is room in my heart for only one....and that is Duane :) - but I will be doing the "Spieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees" thing along with the best of them when he puts on the Green and Gold.

      Kleinboet - 2011-08-03 12:26

      Saffa-cat, I agree and will support the Bokke. As you say: it's too late now to change anything! We're just bitching a little bit because things were left untill it is too late now to change them. We're very lucky to have 'old' players that can still put up a fight - even John Smit managed to score in both tests. Hope you are right and that they will make us proud!

      Wagga - 2011-08-04 02:56

      @Steyts, You wrong, in 1987 the All blacks won the world cup, now who do think was the hooker in that final against France, it was a certain Mr Sean Fitzpatrick.

      JDemons - 2011-08-04 22:56

      @ Wagga - Apparently the first WC cup doesn't count as a win for Fitzy and the AB's because SA weren't there, the teams were 'B' grade and because SA weren't there. Go figure......They could have been there but they were busy doing other "things"....

  • saliem - 2011-08-03 09:20

    Provided he remains injury free, Jean De Villiers would captain the side brilliantly. He is a game breaker of note, natural leader and a senior player who will have the support of the players.

      Totman - 2011-08-03 10:00

      Oeps! Wrong name. He is having the luxury to play in any team as long as he wish due to 1 or 2 good games. Irrelevant of the majority bad ones. The Cape Town news papers are making sure of that. It was the same with Pieter Rossouw and others before and after him. Saying this out of a nice hot Cape Town that will hopefully get rain tonight or tomorrow.

      saliem - 2011-08-03 10:11

      What are you sniffing @Totman?

      Steyts - 2011-08-03 10:25

      Totman I disagree, with the stormers/WP gameplan at the moment I think it is hard for the centres and wings tto show what they are capable of. It is just defense orientated. That is why Bryan Habana makes so many mistakes because he's looking for work to do that really shouldn'tt be done by him. It must be frustrating to be a wing in the stormers team because let's be honest, the ball hardly ever gets there unless they have 0 space and 2 defenders on them... Anyway, back 2 JdV, him and Mossie are the best centre combo we have, defense and attack, no doubt about it!!

      GraemeBB - 2011-08-03 11:01

      @Saliem - JDV will be a good captain - agreed.

      PDP - 2011-08-03 11:35

      2STEYTS, Jip, without a gameplan it doesn't matter who you play. They will lose!

  • thyspelser - 2011-08-03 09:29

    Its strange when you speak to a lot of ex-springboks personnally: They all agree 100%...JS DOES NOT DESERVE SELECTION. It is a Springbok "resolution" to not critise a current captain, therefore this biased support for JS.

      saliem - 2011-08-03 09:40

      If there is one thing that many of the new generation can learn from JS is that he leaves nothing on the park - he might not be the best hooker in the game, but he always gives 100%. I would put Jean de Villiers, Brian Habana and Juan Smith in the same category.

      Steyts - 2011-08-03 10:27

      @ Saliem - We all know Bryan Habana is not the best at the moment but I do believe the other two are the best in their positions, especially Juan Smith!! The difference that guy makes is HUGE!! If you mean thaat they all give 100% every time, then I agree...

      saliem - 2011-08-03 10:41

      That's exactly what I mean @Steyts. Also, while he may not be scoring tries atm, I think Habana will have a cracker of a world cup.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-08-03 10:42

      @Steyts - after seeing what Mvovo and Basson offered us defensively on tour....I for one am thanking the stars, the rugby gods and his parents, that we have Habana (whatever else, the mans defence is still great)

      Raka13 - 2011-08-03 10:53

      Saffa - very true, I said the same thing during the Super 15, Habana was terrible on attack, but there is currently no other wing in South Africa that looks for work like Habana, his defence is also the most reliable of all the wings.

      GraemeBB - 2011-08-03 11:04

      @SAFFA - Habana can make mistakes at any time. The kind of mistakes that makes him look like a real palooka. The kind of mistakes that gift the ball to the opposition.. BUT, spot on - Mvovo and especially Basson's defense was poor. Oh, what to do, what to do?

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-08-03 11:23

      @GraemeBB - Mvovo is lazy in terms of work on the park, and was caught out of position too many times - add to that pretty poor defence and he gets a NO. Basson - the less said the better apart from his speed. Habana: positional play is great - tick. His defence is great - tick. He DOES have the experience - tick. He was finding some form late in the season - tick. He is one of the hardest working players - tick. To be honest, I found myself watching Basson and Mvovo (who will both improve in time) and actually celebrating the fact that we have Habana.

      Mike@CapeT - 2011-08-03 11:32

      I am afraid Basson's chip and chase has been caught out at International may have been OK for Super 15. And really, that is all he has got to offer!

  • Sir Eidolon - 2011-08-03 09:33

    'back under-fire Smit' you chops!

  • Sir Eidolon - 2011-08-03 09:35

    Teichmann wasn't over the wall when he was dropped, and should have been in the team on merit. Smit, on the other hand, won't even make the Sharks Curry Cup side based on his current lack of form, which is unlikely to improve due to his advanced age and flabbiness.

      Creeky - 2011-08-03 09:39

      Teichmann should NEVER have been selected as a Springbok.... let alone a Captain of the Boks... neither Corne Krige... both were USELESS as Boks, but oh so ok for their respective Provincial Teams...

      HanHan - 2011-08-03 10:30

      Creeky, you're entitled to your view, BUT Mallett himself admitted that one of his gravest errors as coach was to drop Teichman to accommodate Skinstad when Teichman's form justified inclusion.. However, whatever view will not change the present SOAP SCENARIO.

      Creeky - 2011-08-03 11:03

      Was not going to even bring the name Skinstad into this conversation... Like Andries Bekker, also found himself in the BACKLINE , between No's 11 & 12, with a FORWARD'S NUMBER ON HIS BACK.... CONSTANTLY!

      flat bier - 2011-08-03 17:00

      Creeky-Corne Krige useless, Teichmann useless???? I think you know more about Koalas than rugby mister.

  • - 2011-08-03 09:41

    He is their for leadership and will be needed when the going gets tough, I respect him as a player and mostly as a leader, give it all 110% boys that is what we expect and if not good enough will respect the winning team as they have deserved it buy beating the world champions.

  • Hanjo - 2011-08-03 09:41

    all the negativity...John scored two brilliant tries in our two Tri Nations matches, he wasn't at his best defensively, but due to playing with an inexperienced group of players, the defense was always going to be shaky, John is a very good scrummaging hooker, he is also very good at line-out time, He is clearly improving with every minute he spends on the field. He doesn't give away silly penalties, and is thus a better option than Bismarck for the WC, don't fool yourselves...John's leadership skills ends this debate! Richie McCaw also isn't the best in his position, Both Kaino and Thomson both had much better seasons, so did Matt Todd, but you don't see the NZ media calling for old Richie's head do you? we should really stop being so fickle

      Sheriffff - 2011-08-03 09:45

      exactly Hanjo, but these bloody chops above no nothing

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-08-03 09:57

      Hear Hear. If we as Saffas could back Rudolf frikkin Straeuli in his WC quest (and check some of the names in that team....) why the HELL are people finding it so hard to throw their weight behind our boys this time round? Anyways - GO THE BOKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      GraemeBB - 2011-08-03 11:09

      @Hanjo and Saffa - we are all voicing our oppinions about selection. Some guys will receive less support than others. We all have our ideas about selections, and shout for the guys we want to see there. But once the final team is selected, and we are off to the RWC, the support for the chosen team will be united.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-08-03 11:25

      @GraemeBB - you have to admit most of the commentary is pretty negative - and it's coming from all corners? I also believe Smit should have gone a while back - but he didn't and he will captain, sooooooooooo, it's a waste of energy to moan anymore I reckon? Rather use the energy to start generating some WC excitement?

      Grunk - 2011-08-03 11:40

      Richie has only been poor this (part) season. Smit has been useless for at least the last two.

      Mr. B - 2011-08-03 12:00

      @Hanjo - couldn't agree more. If the rest of the guys had shown the commitment Smit did against the AB's we may have lost slightly better. Can't agree more with the fact that when the going gets tough, you want Smit there as a cool head. Also, his rapport with refs is second to none and he has the ability to keep the guys focussed and prevent the "red mist" that so ofter afflicts people like Bakkies. @SAFFA-CAT - keep up the posts, wish there were a few more people on these threads that had 1/2 as much idea as you.

  • Bok Fan - 2011-08-03 09:47

    Look at what a difference Chilliboy made at hooker, Pace power etc, Thats not what John does. If he must go let him in at prop or better still non playing captain.

      Creeky - 2011-08-03 11:03

      Chilliboy is play EXCELLENT rugby.... on form for a change!

      Creeky - 2011-08-03 11:04

      Playing too.

  • Anneleen - 2011-08-03 09:52

    How about showing some loyalty?

      edalsg - 2011-08-03 09:59

      do you want loyalty to Zuma as well??? Regrettably the Bokke are a thing of the past : DSTV now better for birdwatching !!!!1

      Anneleen - 2011-08-03 10:48

      @edalsg...Bokke a thing of the past? I dont think so...but you are more than welcome to go and watch DSTV...

  • Jacques - 2011-08-03 10:03

    As if Krige's opinion counts. Hello Stormers. Learn from your mistakes before deliviring your opinion

      Makutu - 2011-08-03 10:23


  • sean - 2011-08-03 10:04

    Smit must be there............SIMPLE........He is the link between the players and the "coach" ........Has to listen to DeSnort's dribble and then tell his team what they should actually be doing ........... And don't forget , WC rugga is about hard , tight rugby , not the S15 merry go round stuff . That's Smit's game ...greatest Capt we ever ad !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Makutu - 2011-08-03 10:23


      Vaughn Jacobs - 2011-08-03 10:38

      You are correct, he must be there; maybe he can carry their bags and loose some weight, but he should not be allowed on the pitch ! Idiot.

  • Mojojo - 2011-08-03 10:05

    So 3 Springboks came out in defence of John Smit??? All at the same time, which is suspicious? Let’s be honest, how many ex Springboks over the last year said that he should Not be there?

      Makutu - 2011-08-03 10:23

      LOL! It is probably 3 out of 200. Ollie and Jake White said he must retire. The other 197 are probably too scared to lose their positions. They don't want to publicly say a lot of negative things. For what, I do not know.

  • patrickb - 2011-08-03 10:10

    You do not build a job around an individual, the individual must fit the job. 1. Smit is finished. 2. We are NOT going to win the WC. 3. We are currently paying the price for maintaining the "old boys club". 4. We may as well start building towards the next WC. Everything in life changes. You build up, peak, and then decline. TIME FOR NEW BLOOD!

      Makutu - 2011-08-03 10:21

      Very well said Pat.

      Mojojo - 2011-08-03 10:27

      Agree also, but I also feel that there are some "old Boys" that should be there, like Matfield. He had a really bad 2010 for the Springboks, but wow has he upped his game this year, in the Super 15 at least. Also, Juan Smith, Schalk Burger, old boys that should still be there. Unfortunately, John Smit has not been able to up his game after a very bad 2010, like Matfield did. The difference, there is still fight left in some of the old guys, but not all.

      Raka13 - 2011-08-03 11:04

      Sure we need young blood - it is just a pitty that the position which requires the young blood is filled by the only captain we can send to the World Cup. That is the biggest problem - Snorre should've prepared a new captain during the last 4 years. I am sure John Smit will not argue that he is not the best hooker currently. His game is improving, John will not drop us, of all the Springboks, he best understands the value he brings to the table. He is also 1 player you can have faith in when it counts the most, and the pressure is at it's peak, John will deliver.

      Makutu - 2011-08-03 11:22

      Raka, then how did he miss 5 tackles on Saturday? His heart might be there but the body just can't keep up anymore.

  • Gert Konsert - 2011-08-03 10:21

    Agreed to the max with all 3 views!!! Back the man.... With an imperative leader a team can conquer anything even if the odds are against you!

  • rob barrie - 2011-08-03 10:24

    I respect what the previous captains are saying but the situation is different and the captain, Smit, in this instance is a clear non-performer at eithe S15 or international level. To defend him is honorable from the gentleman but the realities and the crisis before RWC call for immediate action - we just cant go and defend with a second hand string. Sorry

  • - 2011-08-03 10:29

    Schalk should be captain. Forget about Smit

      Mr. B - 2011-08-03 12:05

      Willem, we'll spend to much time kicking for the corner from in front of the poles and lose by three in the final. Smit has to captain, finished and klaar. Been saying it for a year now. Start him at hooker and move him to tighthead after 40 to unleash hell in the form of Bismarck. Don't know if you noticed but Smit did a great job at prop against the AB's (albeit at loosehead) and it was usually CJ going backwards like he was scrumming in ballet slippers

  • sean - 2011-08-03 10:30

    Pat you obviously don't watch WC rugga .......You need to able to absorb pressure , play hard and have a clear minded leader to win the WC .I think we have all those attributes with Smit leading the Boks . Don't get sucked into the NZ web .They have already started talking themselves up ..Just watch when the pressure starts their island players go awol .( Smit does not need to play 80 mins of each game to be the Bok leader..and yes, Bismark is flipping great and the best no2 in the world )

      Vaughn Jacobs - 2011-08-03 18:16

      ...but you need to be able to play good rugby as well ! And he can not anymore FULLSTOP !

  • Vaughn Jacobs - 2011-08-03 10:33

    Maybe the word "ex-bok" is a hint to how we should view the opinions of these people...... Just wondering until WHEN should this has-been be considered to play in a rugby team....., never mind captain them ?

      Johann - 2011-08-05 12:35

      I would suspect that the opinion of an "ex-bok" will always be viewed higher than the opinion of a never-was like yourself.

  • Straightdeal - 2011-08-03 10:35

    All that will save us is: New approach, new game plan, fresh blood, new coach and captain. We have all the talent in the world, Craven week a good example. Somehow this talent fizzles away in the archaic coaching and playing techniques applied at senior level.

  • Wilson X - 2011-08-03 10:39

    With or without John Smit, we still need to play as a team. Go Bokke!!!

  • Hannetjie - 2011-08-03 10:50

    John Smit WAs a good leader in his prime as player and captain but he is well past his 'sell by date'. I think Bismarck and Chilliboy are the best hookers at present. Why can Victor not captain the side - he has shown excellent leadership abilities? John Smit was puffing after 10 minutes in Saturdays' game against NZ - not fit and not good enough any more!

  • ROOIHART - 2011-08-03 11:20

    Enige een van ons ster-spelers (Fourie/Burger etc) sou gesukkel het in die span wat Saterdag teen die AB's gespeel het. Laat John toe om die beste Bokspan te lei en dan praat ons weer. Tot dan mors ons tyd om daaroor te redeneer.

  • The Pro - 2011-08-03 11:23

    I tend to agree with saffa-cat as she makes a lot of sense and is objective in her views. People going on about Chilliboy being the future etc because he played the last 20 mins of games that were already won and tired legs were on the field? Come on guys....... Chili os playing awesome impact rugby however nobody will be able to lead the team through tough times in the World Cup. Matfield will lose his rag with the ref, Schalk does the same,Juan Smith is too quiet a man and JDV well we all know about the failed experiment with him. So lets get behind the Springboks and not individual players

  • patrickb - 2011-08-03 11:28

    Sean: I hate presumptious people. (You obviously dont......bla bla bla) I sam 53 yrs old, and went to my first Currie Cup in 1970. I watch a lot, and understand rugby. You have to keep a balance of young and old in your side. De Villiers is a moron. He could not organize a Spaza shop, let alone coach the Boks. The Boks are now paying the price. Smit would have been history two and a half years ago if we had a coach with a brain. WE WILL NOT MAKE THE SEMI FINALS! Lets chat again after the WC.

  • - 2011-08-03 11:31

    LOL Smit is our highest try scorer so far in the 3 nations!!

  • Kenneth - 2011-08-03 11:31

    @Creeky - Crikey! Gary Teichmann was captain when the Springboks equalled the world record for successive wins! Including winning the Tri-Nations. You're up the creek with no paddle when it comes to rugby knowledge.

  • - 2011-08-03 11:31

    LOL Smit is our highest try scorer socfar in the 3 nations!!!

  • Paul Keys - 2011-08-03 11:35

    I agree somewhat with his point of view..It's too late now to find another captain. Not condoning Smit's inclusion, if I were coach or a selector, he would have been dropped 2 years ago already. He does not deserve to be in the team on merit, end of...but I think it may be too close to the world cup to introduce a new captain to lead the team...

  • AJ - 2011-08-03 11:35

    SA Rugby and supporters make teerrible mistake of pinning their hopes on just a couple of players (ageing ones too). That does not win you world cups, you need a great squad, not a semi-ok squad that is built around 1 or 2 'must-haves'. It's a school boy error of note. (I would have had Smit out the team over a year ago, but rather have him as an ambassador for the squad when over there. He has value still no doubt, but not in a playing capacity. This immature 'loyalty to the leader' will bite us. A soon as one of these 'Bok saviours' is unavailable for a match such as a quarter or semi final, the rest of the players fall apart a bit - game over. SA Rugby - putting too much faith in too few players....

  • Kenneth - 2011-08-03 11:59

    So just about every body thinks getting rid of JS and bokke will win world cup dream on.With the style of rugby SA play under snor -dv guidance whether he plays or not i cant see them winning WC..Creeky you moron Teichman captained the most successful SA side with 17 games unbeaten .AB failed in their effort to overhaul this .Raka/Saffa-cat about Habana how many tries did he give away last year through poor tackling and always out of position and you say he is a great tackler.GraemBB Habana is a old Bok played many tests Mvovo is still a youngster learning about test rugby but far better on defence than Basson

  • Anonymously - 2011-08-03 12:13

    Typical, just plain typical!! John Smit did not perform well in the b-team, Who cares?? The Sharks did not start him, so??? All i care about is how he performs in the WC. When he has needed to step up to the big occasion he has performed. We going to critisize him when he comes back without the World Cup trophy, but at the end of the day he is still a legend. Would it make a difference if John Smit is captain, or Victor Matfield is captain or if PDV goes crazy and makes Bakkies botha captain. The all blacks, have been given this world cup on a platter. They do not have the inferstructure, the timezone that new zealand is in, is inconvienient for most of the rugby watching world. IRB has decided to hand them the Webb Ellis,so dont bitch and moan about who the captain is going to be. Just sit back enjoy a warm milo( cause every game is going to be in the morning) and watch the spectical.

  • Grant - 2011-08-03 12:45

    The difference is, Gary Teichman was, at the time, arguably the best 8th man in the world, and actually in TOP form, whereas Skinstad was a youngster, still injured from his recent car crash!! This time round, Smit is nowhere near on form, and Bismark has been declared the world's best hooker by both New Zealand and Aussie commentators! Whilst captaincy is important, you need respect to be an effective captain - and with Smit not coming close to being on the field on merit, how much respect do you think he will have from the players? And how effective will his captaincy then be? Can you imagine in the huddle: "Come on boys, we must make first time tackles!!" (coming from the man who just let slip his last three tackles...) Sad.

  • Jason - 2011-08-03 15:27

    wha...smitty scores tries...can i get a hip hip for johny

  • Tomzompie - 2011-08-03 16:33

    I am a big John Smit fan but think he is way past his best, we cannot afford to leave a guy like Bismark out of the team, why not play Smit at prop if you want him for his leadership skills his been doing it for half the season and it's not like we have any outstanding props at the moment.

  • flat bier - 2011-08-03 16:51

    The difference between the two is that Teichmann was still in good form; John has lost form and put on a few pounds. John needs game time at hooker. A fit captain will make better decisions on the field.

  • Tomzompie - 2011-08-03 16:52

    I am a big JS fan but come on guys Smit is way past his best, we can't afford to leave a guy like Bismark on the bench, his the type of player who can win you big games by turning over the ball in the breakdown, Smit has been picked as captain so we have no choice, why not play him at prop? his been playing there for half the season already and it's not like we have any outstanding players in that position and as for Matfield as captain, if it was'nt for having to jump in the lineouts Victor would be playing at centre his favourite position and may I add his not a very good one.

  • gatvol4corru - 2011-08-03 18:02

    Sorry -- just won't get my support. He is far too slow,a former glimpse of himself and outplayed by at least three other hookers. He "manages" from a distance , like a real BEE manager. Nope,he has to go. Juan Smit,Victor are available and at least earn their keep

  • gatvol4corru - 2011-08-03 18:04

    Lets get rid of all the below standard players and coaches! Start -- Divvy,Muir,Gold,JS , Ruan

  • Dips - 2011-08-03 21:37

    If you know anything about managment or leadeship you will know that Krige is correct. If you don't want Smit in the team you are looking at it from the wrong angle. It's like any business or team, for example look what happened to SA when leadership fails, look at what happened to municipalities when managment failed. You can's blame the team or the people in SA, everything starts will managmeent and leadership.

  • Ozman - 2011-08-03 22:45

    This bullet should have been solved 2 years back not on the eve of the RWC..... It’s going to bite and bite hard. Put your money on Samoa winning pool D, smart bet.

  • mycentswrth - 2011-08-03 23:06

    then tell me were was John Smit's leadership during the last two tri-nations games. we need guys that can play and no bok should need a leader to motivate, otherwise give back your jersey!

  • mycentswrth - 2011-08-03 23:14

    then how come we got a thrashing during the TN games...was John not our leader. we need boks that can play, and if any bok needs John to motivate him, he should hand back his jersey! we are doomed if our hope is on John

  • Taetjo - 2011-08-04 12:19


  • Skotepetoors - 2011-08-04 20:37

    Springbok captain - No "New" Sharks mascot - Yes

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