Dwindling faith in Boks?

2011-08-18 22:10

Rob Houwing, Sport24 Chief writer

Cape Town – South African rugby fans’ customary determination to stand by the Springboks through thick and thin is suddenly under threat, it seems.

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The Boks’ nought-from-three record in 2011 has clearly had an influence on sentiment as Sport24 poll respondents – well over 5 000 of them – gave clear majority backing to the All Blacks for the Castle Tri-Nations Test against the host nation in Port Elizabeth on Saturday.

This week we posed the question: “Will the Springboks bounce back from their loss to the Wallabies and beat the All Blacks on Saturday?”

And 60% of those who took part backed option No 1: “Ha ha! You must be having a laugh. No chance.”

Admittedly some 19% could be said to have hedged their bets a bit, because they preferred one of the two remaining options: “Tri-Nations doesn’t count: it’s all about the World Cup this year.”

But only 21% stood resolutely behind the Boks: “This is a weakened All Blacks side; the Boks will bounce back.”

So not even the Boks’ unbeaten record against these foes in the Friendly City has been enough to get public support firmly in their favour.

The last PE meeting was the third Test of the 1970 tour, on August 29, when the Boks won 14-3 at Boet Erasmus Stadium to go 2-1 ahead – they eventually clinched the series 3-1.

Previous Bok triumphs over the All Blacks in that city were in 1960, 1949 and 1928.


South Africa:
15 Pat Lambie, 14 JP Pietersen, 13 Jaque Fourie, 12 Jean de Villiers, 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Morne Steyn, 9 Fourie du Preez, 8 Pierre Spies, 7 Willem Alberts, 6 Heinrich Brüssow, 5 Victor Matfield (captain), 4 Bakkies Botha, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Bismarck du Plessis, 1 Gurthro Steenkamp

Substitutes: 16 John Smit, Tendai Mtawarira, CJ van der Linde, Danie Rossouw, Ashley Johnson, Francois Hougaard, Butch James

New Zealand:
15 Israel Dagg, 14 Isaia Toeava, 13 Richard Kahui, 12 Sonny Bill Williams, 11 Hosea Gear, 10 Colin Slade, 9 Jimmy Cowan, 8 Liam Messam, 7 Adam Thomson, 6 Jerome Kaino, 5 Ali Williams, 4 Samuel Whitelock, 3 John Afoa, 2 Keven Mealamu (captain), 1 Tony Woodcock

Substitutes: 16 Andrew Hore, 17 Ben Franks, 18 Jarrad Hoeata, 19 Victor Vito, 20 Andy Ellis, 21 Piri Weepu, 22 Cory Jane.


  • Nuraq - 2011-08-18 22:38

    I see a lot of apologies coming when de Villiers brings back the World Cup.

      So What? - 2011-08-18 22:59

      Maybe, but that is a big IF! If that does happen he has really not done much to build our confidence in him and the Boks to be brutally honest. Sadly, he has also not done much in respect of bringing and blooding the future Boks when these old ones all pass on to pasture. Jake White left a legacy for de Villiers to buld on - in all honesty what has PdeV left? Even if he stays on as coach.

      Oukoos - 2011-08-19 03:21

      I will be the first to apologise. However, if it does not materialise (i.e. no World Cup), who is going to apologise for the stupid EE appointment - Peter de Villiers?

      Stufflé - 2011-08-19 03:34

      If the Boks win the W cup, it will not be because, but in spite of De Villiers being the coach

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-08-19 05:38

      I am proud to be part of the 21% who still believe. Maybe I am just a stubborn, one-eyed and deeply loyal Bok fan - but I simple REFUSE to accept that some of the finest rugby players of our generation (Matfield, du Preez, Jaque, Schalk etc etc) are going to sit back with a defeatist attitude and capitulate. Many of you chaps don't like the coach - fair enough. But I also know many of you believed in these players just a few months back in the S15. I'm not sure why you folk find it so hard to believe in them once more - all they are doing is wearing a different jersey. GO THE BOKS!!!!!!

      BigD - 2011-08-19 06:21

      I for one will always support the Boks. Will we win the RWC? I hope so! Anything can happen on the day, a try not allowed, a forward pass etc. That can make the difference between winning or loosing. I for one do not believe that the men who are picked for the Boks will go out onto field in RWC and not give a 100%. I as a Bok supporter has no control who SARU pick as coach and therefore old Snor becomes a non entity once the squad is picked. Old Snor in my opinion was not the best man for the job to take the Boks to a new high.

      PlainTruth - 2011-08-19 06:44

      Nuraq, what are you smoking? That useless affirmative action coach does not desrve a tea cup, let alone the world cup. He must be fired and replaced by someone who knows abour rugby

      Joe_Public - 2011-08-19 07:06

      The Boks will lose on Saturday with Matfield as captain and Smit on the bench.

      gees-hey - 2011-08-19 07:37

      @ all Anti PDV - he has given much oppotunity to many chaps in the super 15 / currie cup, yet nobody except - lambie, alberts, johnson, aplon have risen to the occassion of playing for the boks. its sad to see at this stage people still hating PDV even tho his recorded win against major opposition, home & away. If you look at S15, their is enough potential... its sad to see comment about a BEE coach on a daily basis, maybe its just the mind set of what has happened in the past.

      Hannes van der Linde - 2011-08-19 07:41

      SAF: sometimes blind optimism gets kicked in the nuts by realism. Let's be realistic here, based on the performances by our boks and the lack of vision on the field (although I would love them to win) we have a better chance of being hammered than scraping a win. No penetration, no vision, one dimensional 1st to 206th phase 1st and 2nd receiver crash balls and maybe, just maybe, every 600th pass could go to a wing. That will not win us games.

      Tools1 - 2011-08-19 07:46

      We can be upset at the Gov or the administration and the unions, at quotas or even warm beer at the stadiums, but how people can not support those lads wearing the green and gold bleeding for their country just proves why South Africans will never band together.

      kiwi - 2011-08-19 08:32


      Oukoos - 2011-08-19 08:37

      SAFFA, hoe graag ek ook al die wereldbeker terug in SA sal wil sien, die kanse is beter dat Malema tot moderator van die NG Kerk sinode verkies word

      Rolie - 2011-08-19 08:47

      We'll be lucky to make the quarter finals with the current players. Most are past their sell-by date and PdV has not blooded enough youngsters to take their places. Maybe next world cup and new, open minded, coach!

      Jacques Claasens - 2011-08-19 09:00

      @ Oukoos Ha Ha Ha Dis die beste beskrywing wat ek in 'n lang tyd gesien het, gee jy om as dit my Facebook status is vir die dag lol

      clivegoss - 2011-08-19 09:01

      What are you smoking ? Has it got the surgeon general warnings on ? Are you buying "stuff" from a streetvendor? Remember that is traditional herb for indigenous folk only but it is still illegal ! !

      BB - 2011-08-19 09:11

      Hulle gaan jou ban as jy aanhou om verbode middels te snuif!

      NkosiMzimba - 2011-08-19 09:16

      they inspired us in super rugby and now we slowly turning our backs on them. WHEN AND NOT IF they win the world cup alot of people will be humbled to the core. its times like these when support for the boks is extremly vital. dont kick a dog when its down, rather help and encourage it. GO BOKKE!!!!

      marco - 2011-08-19 10:31

      South Africa v New Zealand which is history's greatest rugby nation? 1.In 1937 the Springboks claimed their first series victory over the Men in Black,the first time the All Blacks had lost a home series. 2.In 1949, South Africa beat the All Blacks 4-0 – the only time ever the All Blacks had been whitewashed in a Test series. 3.In 1956 the Springboks toured New Zealand and lost the series 3-1, the South Africans’ first series loss against any opponent,at home or away. 4.Before the apartheid controversies which led to the banishment of South Africa,New Zealand claimed two series against the Springboks’ three whilst both teams remained almost unbeatable at home. 5.Up until 1981 the Springboks had claimed 21 victories over the All Blacks,while the New Zealanders had 18 wins to their name.Since 1992 the All Blacks had solidified their reputation as arguably the world’s most dominant rugby force and in 1996,Sean Fitzpatrick led the All Blacks to a 3-1 series victory against the Springboks,their final frontier for the Kiwis which was their first ever series win over South Africa on African soil.However in 1998 the South Africans beat New Zealand 2-0 at home –the first time in 22 years the Springboks had claimed a series win over the All Blacks. 6.Before the modern era the Springboks could convincingly claim status as the world’s premier rugby team,but since then the All Blacks have been the dominant force...

      marco - 2011-08-19 10:34

      7.South Africa has lost to seven of the current Test nations – while the All Blacks have only lost to five. 8.The British Lions have won seven series triumphs of which 10 victories came for the All Blacks. The Springboks have a 49% winning percentage over the Lions,whereas the All Blacks boast a 76% ratio. 9.Against England, France and Australia,the All Blacks have won 141 times,with 55 losses.The Springboks have recorded only 74 victories,and 46 losses. 10.The Springboks hold a winning history against all other opponents but New Zealand. 11.So to summarise,South Africa’s claim to global domination is succinct, but was better placed before their absence from the global stage.On the evidence of games played,modern history and statistics – the All Blacks are the most successful team ever in union history– notwithstanding the New Zealanders modern era Achilles heel the inability to win a 2nd World Cup.

      StaalBurgher - 2011-08-19 10:36

      No one is going to apologise to Div because he has stuffed up what should have been 4 years of awesome Bok rugby. The number of idiotic squad and positional selection he has made coupled with his media embarrassments has killed whatever kudos he could get. This is the only reason why there might be a perception that "faith in the Boks might be dwindling". We all know if you continually appoint unqualified people your average results go down and you lose the edge. That is what is being forced on the SA rugby public and why they are despondent.

  • Bumblebee - 2011-08-18 23:10

    IF PDV's teamm wins the RWC he will be appointed for FOUR MORE YEARS!!! Brace yourselves.

      Karoobloed - 2011-08-19 00:57

      No, brace yourself for us losing the RWC thanks to SARUs lack of vision. Vision by itself does not guarrantee success, but the absence thereof certainly results in failure.

      Joe_Public - 2011-08-19 07:01

      If he wins the RWC, does he then not deserve to coach another 4 years?

      Tantrum - 2011-08-19 07:19

      No chance of that happening

      Durasmart - 2011-08-19 07:23

      Not in SA. Here we fire a coach if he wins the trophy and keep him if he loses.

      StaalBurgher - 2011-08-19 10:41

      @joe_public - No. Because in between the WCs he is a horror show with selections, brain-haired squad and team balance, substitutions, favourite BEE candidates etc. Just because he happens to forgo ALL of the above for a few months in 4 years does not qualify. If we win this WC all it means is our results should have been FAR FAR greater than it has been. The blame for that is on his door and that of BEE.

  • Bigfoot - 2011-08-18 23:11

    The only Country in the World where its people have support for another Country, I mean people who are born and bred here, never been anywhere else but support another against your own Country. It's like backing a neighbour against you family. Whatever Zuma and Malema are doing, it does not change the fact that they are, we are, South African. Go Bokke

      Rijger - 2011-08-19 00:03

      Bigfoot, I for one, am a proud South African. However, what little Juju and his cronie Zoomer are doing, has little or no effect on rugby whatsoever. What do have an effect on rugby, is when a national team their coaches and management are appointed and merit plays little part in these appointments, and the resulting outcome are one big flop, leading to the one loss after the other. As an example, just cast your mind back for a week or so to the furore caused by a certain Hoskins chap bemoaning the "Lily-white" teams in the Currie Cup, The national team fared better with more representation. South Africa is a proud rugby nation, that rugby is done an immense lot of harm when merit is cast out of the back door, and other criteria are used, as is happening now. Not only are the team weakened, but we are bleeding talent to just about all rugby playing nations, that is talent that should have been kept here where it was nurtured. Just for interest sake, go check how many South Africans left our shores and are playing for other countries where their talents are recognised and used While I respect your views, I for one, will be a proud All Black supporter until merit and merit alone, irrespective of race, creed or whatever are the only criteria and this present nonsense stop. If you doubt what I'm saying, just have a look at the support Beast enjoys, no booing as with other players, is there?

      Bokmad - 2011-08-19 00:41

      Belief and support are 2 different things - I support the Boks, win or lose - end of. Am I confident they will win on Saturday - not really. Will I NOT support them if they lose - NO. I will always support them, until I die.

      The Watchman - 2011-08-19 05:45

      Grrrrrrrrrreat Sssssstuff Bigfoot. Viva Ama Bokke Bokke

      Carl Muller - 2011-08-19 07:32

      I support the Bokke but I also cry every time they lose....

  • Pee-Jay - 2011-08-18 23:23

    New Zeeland Has Scored twice as many points in two matches as the Springboks has scored in two. South Africa has lost the ability to score tries. The opponents have learned to avoid intercept tries that S.A. heavily relied on in the past. The experienced centres and Habana has therefor been neutralised. Pee-Jay

  • Rob Jones - 2011-08-19 00:38

    Why the Colured people support the All Blacks "I was born into supporting the All Blacks. My father, grandfather and uncles are very passionate supporters, and it is very easy for new generations to continue this tradition because the All Blacks are a brilliant rugby team. They are the Manchester United of rugby. They win consistently and they win in style. People love winners." Older members of the Port Elizabeth community are in no hurry to convert their children into Bok supporters. They feel stranded by empty promises from the game's governing body. "Rugby has died in the schools of the [poor] northern suburbs," Felkers says. "And we have played rugby in this region forever. But we have no facilities. There has been no investment from Saru, no upliftment and we feel let down." Once more, in a brand-new era, resentment of Saru has been channelled into supporting the Springboks' opposition. "In our suburbs we are crying out for sport to give our teenagers something to do to keep them away from drugs and crime. Rugby can do that, but it hasn't because the system has let us down." Saru's flagship investment in the Eastern Cape is, of course, the Southern Kings, and bully to them for resurrecting top-flight rugby in the region, but for the less affluent rugby man on the ground this means diddly squat. "Nothing has changed at grass roots," says Felkers. "We don't feel that Saru is engaging us. We don't feel any affinity to Saru. We remain forgotten."

      Karoobloed - 2011-08-19 01:41

      I have deep empathy for members of RSA society that were historically discriminated against. As an Afrikaner I will carry that guilt to my grave. However, I believe some of the arguments presented here are flawed. Manchester United is a club with players from all over the World - MU does not really represent a country. A valid analogy is comparing the All Blacks to Brazil - would you support Brazil over Bafana? - most Saffas would not. And if everyone supported what their daddies and granddaddies did in RSA, we would have a serious situation in RSA, wouldn't we? All factions in RSA need to transform, but everyone seems to be waiting for others to take the fall. Finally, SARU has failed us all, not just people of colour. In stead of always appointing world-class coaches for the Boks, they often appoint dismal candidates like Strauli and PdV. And any fair criticism of a coach/player of colour is automatically interpreted as racism. SARU is the problem now, not the Boks. If SARU had vision, only the very best would be ever be selected for coaching/playing at national level. And the transformation drive would have been solidly rooted in financially supporting and developing rugby at the grass roots level. Prior to 1994, White South Africans, including Boks, did have the privilege of White AA and WEE. But that situation has now been reversed for 17 years. Clinging on to historical adverse positions will not help the country heal or help us move forward.

      clarke.hingston - 2011-08-19 03:13

      The sins of our fathers should not be intrenched in our youth. The chip on the shoulder attitude of many South Africans is going to cripple this wonderfull country. The coloured folks supported the ABs because it was a way of getting up the Afrikaners nose. Support your county, support the boks, thick and thin. We need 1 nation 1 goal 1 team. But go ahead and support the all blacks , they will probably win the world cup , but the bokke wont go down without a good fight. Die hard supporter win or loose

      Hendrik - 2011-08-19 06:36

      Rob Jones, and what did the All Blacks do in your community? Rugby keeping kids away from drugs? I must say, it is'nt or wasn't rugby that kept me away from drugs, but my fathers cane! Start to take responsibility!

      Adrian - 2011-08-19 07:09

      Think more resentment should be aimed at the government than Saru. School facilities are the government's (education department) responsibility. If you just take the money wasted on fancy cars , luxurious houses , inept municipalties alone (forget all other corruption) all schools in not only your region , but all of SA could have state of the art school sporting as well as learning facilities. But unfortunately the voting population cannot see this , but blame somebody (anybody and everybody) else instead. So effectively , the voters shouldn't complain , for they themselves are to blame. Sad , isn't it.

      KING - 2011-08-19 07:26

      @ Indiana Jones Just to understand, you complaining about a lack of investment from Saru in the area? What do you guys want them to do? As far as my knowledge the only two provincial sides that were spoon fed by Saru in the last decade was Boland and SWD because they went bankrupt and the so called Saru, that you complained about bailed them out. So stop complaining and thank Saru for still having a Rugby team and thank them for shoving money up “EP Kings” asses so that they can buy players like Puke Watson and pay his loving father. PS. Grow a pair and support your own country!

      HueyPNewton - 2011-08-19 07:47

      @Karoobloed. "would you support Brazil over Bafana?". You'd be surprised at how many SAFFAS do that. Actually, most Coloured and Indian people that I know support England over Bafana.

      MB1810 - 2011-08-19 08:23

      @Rob, yes and that sit back and wait for things to happen is exactly the type of attitude you want your children to have. That way in 30 years time they'll be exactly where you are now - bitter, because you never had it in you to take responisibility for your own life. Geez no wonder the country is going to the dogs with everyone expecting to be handed a great life and nobody wanting to work for it. Last time I checked SARU was the governing body for rugby in this country, it is not thier responsibility to upgrade and maintain school facilities, that falls directly to government and the local municipalities. SARU can cerrtainly contribute if they feel like it (and believe me, they have, if they haven't the EP Kings would currently be non existent). If you really want something you find a way, you don't wait for someone to pave the way. If you use drugs its by your choice, if you live a life of voilence it is by your choice, I'm not saying getting out is easy, but everyone has a choice.

      kiwi - 2011-08-19 09:04

      rob spot on you should be given an award for the truth and the light, for those of you which is most will never in this life time grasp the damage it has done to our reputation, as A true supporter of AB since 72' this country has never and will never stand together, therefore it goes without saying that all black supporters will always go down in history as unique and fearless tyrants of this nation AND any other, so we are giving ourselves a bells .............bang

      Wormtongue - 2011-08-19 10:16

      So Kiwi is actually not a Kiwi. And nothing has changed since 1972? Bwahahahahahahahaha

      James - 2011-08-19 10:33

      well said Karoo

      Gideon Hanekom - 2011-08-19 12:23

      I don't know how much kiwi rugby has done for your community, but as someone actually living in NZ I can tell you Rob, people are people everywhere. But it's like my one good kiwi mate always say: "only two kinds of people in life bro, winners and losers...those that go for it and those who sit on their @sses; you chose who you wanna be!" My mummy and daddy taught me one NB thing - "you have ONE shot at life; don't waste it." So I simply don't have the time to blame others as many others have the luxury to do. People don't love winnners - they love the feeling of winning...for as long as it lasts. And the examples of this are simply too many to count. Truth is people love people with character and pride. Loving winners is like loving your youthfulness ... it won't last because it can't. Character and pride however echoes in eternity.

      FJ2 - 2011-08-19 12:39

      @Karoobloed: Jy't Harry Viljoen vergeet, en sy side-kick Solomons, wat die boktrui soos geskenke aan hulle favourites uitgedeel het. Onthou hoe Rassie binne drie weke geval het van die SA peler van die Super 12 tot buite die sewe beste flanke in die land?

  • mobiles - 2011-08-19 01:27

    Simple ! When Jake took over that time and the bokke got f@cked up before the WC , I cursed him ! I am sure many of you did asswell ? BUT ! Jake was a coach , not a effing political PAWN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BUT , AT THE MOMENT IN THIS F@CKEN COUNTRY IT`S ALL ABOUT COLOUR, NOT ABOUT FAILURE , JUST COLOUR !!! White = racist - Black = You can make mistakes , no worries , it`s apartheids fault !!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT IS SO F@CKED UP !!

      Howzitekse - 2011-08-19 07:42

      AT THE MOMOMENT? When has this country not been about colour. None so blind as those who will not see.

  • Kleinboet - 2011-08-19 03:37

    It has become hard to do so, but I am going to keep on supporting the Bokke. I tell myself all kinds of sweet little lies to strenghten my faith in them: 1. Many of the team members were indeed injured to some extent and have had time to recuperate; 2. They are all well rested and will be roaring to go; 3. They used last Saturday to get back into form and will play as a team (as opposed to individuals); 4. The All Blacks are playing a weakened team; 5. We play on a lucky field where we have never lost to the All Blacks; 6. A miracle will happen; 7. Another miracle will happen. I can do nothing else, because I am a South African and need to believe in something.

      TimothyJ - 2011-08-19 04:23

      Love it @Klienboet! I'm with you China.

      Yankee - 2011-08-19 06:22

      But they lied to the world when they said they were all injured. To me that's part of being authentic. It also affects their credibility and the way they will be seen in the future. Who was the person/s that signed off on that statement? Find the culprit/s and tear up their contract. Otherwise I see a little bit of a Hansie happening here.

      FJ2 - 2011-08-19 12:42

      @Yankee: they all carried injuries. Some of them, who were more serious, are still recuperating. Get your head out of your arse.

  • transkeidave - 2011-08-19 05:45

    past rsults and all the issues make being positive pretty difficult but on the day we can beat anyone--just not sure if we have a good enough attack to score tries--back 3 not being used--wings do not see the ball--ball not being moved quicker than the defenders etc--aussies and all blacks are good defenders as seen in the last tests--tomorrow will give us a good indiction of where we stand--this AB side may be short of a few a team players but the replacements are just as good--israel dagg??go bokke.

  • PEA - 2011-08-19 06:03

    The Pope has more chance of getting laid than the Boks winning the World Cup!

      darkwing - 2011-08-20 10:08

      Seems like a lot of bonking going on in the Catholic Church. The Boks might just win the Cup.

  • Japie Mulder - 2011-08-19 06:14

    Amen @Karoobloed. I just want to say thanks for standing up for us boere that still have faith in the new South Africa. Rugby has always been part of our history, so too apartheid......but we had the change to better ourselves as a nation. If all of us were of the same opinion as @Rob Jones, then we'd be in trouble. Screw it man, Ashwin Willemse was a gangster from the hood, but he made the decision to change his perception and in doing so he changed his circumstances to become a great Bok wing.....he didn't sit around blaming SARU for not giving him a rugby ball to play with - he stood up saying that he will change and he made his dreams come true. Sies vir jou man! Ek hoop eendag gaan jou kinders vir jou vra hoekom het jy hulle geforce om vir die All Blacks te skree terwyl hulle Harte by die Bokke le.....en Dan moet jy maar vir hulle se dis omdat jou Pa vir jou gese het ons was "oppressed", terwyl hulle die hoop is vir die nuwe SA.....Los die haat vir wat jy hooky gehad het nie en kyk bietjie watse verskil jy kan maak man. I know for a fact not all colored PE people are of the same small minded opinion as yourself. We are proudly Port Elizabethians and we support the Boks!!!!!!!!!! Go Bokke!!!!!!

      Howzitekse - 2011-08-19 07:52

      Very convenient. When you say lets move on, what you mean is lets pretend it never happened and things just carry on as before with the rich getting richer and the poor supporting the All Blacks. There has to be a better way.

      Wormtongue - 2011-08-19 10:22

      So the poor will get richer if we all support the ABs... How much of your wealth have you resdistributed to the poor? - and we are not talking generous tips in restaurants. We eagerly await responses to both questions above - and please not too tangential.

      Kaapie - 2011-08-19 11:14

      Japie.. I am a cullart from Cape town.. It's what i call fairweather supporters.. They only want to support 'winners'. Like the Man U fans.. Whn the bokke win everybody supports the Bokke, when the Bokke lose they blame the coach.. ek en my vriende support die Bokke.. en WP wen of verloor. Ek gaan vis vang as die weer sleg is en as dit die weer goed is dan geniet ek dit nog meer..

      Howzitekse - 2011-08-19 13:35

      Womtongue there will always be poor people. Stick to the point japie. "When you say lets move on, what you mean is lets pretend it never happened." Don't go off at a tangent.

  • Karumba - 2011-08-19 06:17

    Daar is geen kans in die wereld dat snorre die beker op daai SAA vlug terug na Suid Afrika toe kan bring nie! Dink jy rook boom !As jy sulke stulke stront kan uitdink! Dink jou kans om n lotto te wen is dalk veel makliker! Remember the old saying "Check the scoreboard" Wakker word, jy is seker die only snor Div supporter! Moerse title !!

      PEA - 2011-08-19 07:56

      Hey..they dont even fly SAA!

  • Wayne - 2011-08-19 07:07

    What a load of rubbish. We panic before every world cup. Bring it home boys!

  • Babba x - 2011-08-19 07:13

    Boks to loose again, gainst the All Blacks B team

  • ZumaGabe - 2011-08-19 07:21

    the All Blacks will eat the BAFOKKE blommetjies for breakfast

  • Elizabeth - 2011-08-19 07:29

    A true supporter will be disappointed in their team losing, but will still be a supporter. After all if your child's team keep losing do you mouth off at them the way some of our Springbok supporters are doing, or do you stay supportive?! Come on team, you will always have my support and I will always believe that you can win!!

  • greenpea - 2011-08-19 07:34

    I hate the fact that so many bok supporters are on the fence like this, I will support them through thick and thin, like a true supporter. you ppl that only want to support a winning team make me sick

      edalsg - 2011-08-19 07:38

      then off you go to the big white telephone .

  • MB1810 - 2011-08-19 07:58

    It is not so much a question of support and lack of faith as it is a question of realistic expectation. I voted in that pole and I think that realisticly we don't stand much of a chance to actually win the game. I will support them, definitely, but I still don't think we'll walk away with the win. Perhaps sport24 should run an article about the peoples lack of faith in the Bok coach, we've watched these guys perform for 4 years, watch them hit a high in 2009 and slowly weaken to the current position we now find ourselves in. Then our coach comes out saying he is 90% sure the Boks could still win the world cup? On current form, realistically speaking, we might have just enough in the tank to beat Wales and end top of the log in our Pool, realistically speaking we might have enough in the tank to get passed the QF, realistically speaking we are in with a very small chance to beat the All Blacks in that SF. Just because I don't think we will win, does not mean I don't support the guys. Just because I don't think we will win, it does not mean that I have all of a sudden jumped ship and support NZ.

  • Aabels - 2011-08-19 07:59

    I don't think PDV can be blamed for what is happening on the field unless he also goes and play. The old generation Springboks (those who are going to France next year to collect their pensions) wants him to fail and wherether he wins the world cup or not he will still be fired because of his sometimes embarrasing statements, for another coach of colour like Allistair Coetzee. Just remember the days of white coaches is over....... finish and klaar.

      PDP - 2011-08-19 08:20

      @aabels. You need to crawl back intro your cave. Come back out in another 10 years.

      Rumbler - 2011-08-19 09:49

      I DON'T THINK (yep, you are correct, this says it all!) :>) PDV can be blamed for...................................

  • Ian Cornelius - 2011-08-19 08:05

    When the Springboks come back after being knocked out early in the world cup, the ANC will reward him with an extended 5 year Springbok contract.

  • richard.vonschumann - 2011-08-19 08:17

    Being a Springbok supporter is more to me than who the coach is. I will support them no matter what the coach says and does. As long as the jersey is GREEN and the Springbok is on the jersey I expect them to win. Therefore I am one of the 21%. I will support them if they win or lose because that is what a true supporter would do. GO BOKKE. Go take the World Cup and make us proud.

  • Agent - 2011-08-19 08:18

    Oh please what we have here is a nother sport being pussed into the ground because of political coaches and players, there is no other truth only this fact, politics and sport does not have a good ending the proof is in the pudding eaten and tested.

  • Tony - 2011-08-19 08:25

    I whole-heartedly support the Boks, but I fear right now we kick away too much possession, we lose too much turn-over ball, our tackling is often weak and we are unable to switch our game plan when it is not working for us. Why? Our team has the skills. Maybe its our coaching staff letting us down? So, while I will be shouting for my team - GO BOKKE - I just hope we don't get too badly thumped on Saturday.

  • haveyoursay - 2011-08-19 08:32

    My family accuses me of being negative. But I see myself as a realist. Probably because I coached rugby at schhool level from u13d to the first team. I predicted that we will lose all the Tri-nation games for the following reasons. Firstof all with 20 guys being "injured" you cannot go and play the Wallabies and All Blacks with basically a "c" team and eexpect to win. Watching those games was like watching boys (us) playing men. In Durban we played our so-called "best" team and still lost. Well, if that is what our "A" team can produce we will battle to win any games at the RWC never mind the trophy.

  • piet4545 - 2011-08-19 08:44

    to gain anything or momentum from now on the boks needs a statement more then just a narrow win. We have to put 20 points over the all blacks "2nd team" Thats almost our best team for the WC (but i'll swap Habana for Houghaard). They've played a game together last weekend, no more rustyness no more excusses, just get on with the business! Go Boks!!!

  • Jacques Claasens - 2011-08-19 08:55

    @ Oukoos Ha Ha Ha Dis die beste beskrywing wat ek in 'n lang tyd gesien het, gee jy om as dit my Facebook status is vir die dag lol

  • Statistic - 2011-08-19 08:57

    Polls like this one are poking at the situation and just make it worse, thats just me though.

  • Aribs - 2011-08-19 08:59

    Negative supporters...always the first to jump around and shout "eternal" praises for the lads when they win the world cup...chops...!!!

  • Mao Tse Tung - 2011-08-19 09:10

    For some reason I get the sense that we South Africans are so disillusioned into thinking the RWC is a walk in the park and you do not need time to build a strong and confident squad to win it. We forget that just like at tertiary, if you do not take the time to study and prepare well for your final examination, then you will be guaranteed to fail and there's no two ways about it. You are not going to get the rest of the students sleeping and you, with your effortless approach will not get top marks. Having said that, I will not lie to myself and start believing that our poor preparations and lack of depth at test level is going to win us the World Cup and make a mockery of all the nations who have taken the RWC more seriously, built their squads over the four years and now ripping the rewards for their efforts. I really hope we do well, but winning the world cup is something we need to accept that it's not going to happen and we should manage our expectations. We failed this exam of building a team to base our confidence on and were held to ransom by the Class of 2007 and we unfortunately going to pay the price unless some shattering disaster happens and all the other top teams loose their top players, fact, now let's get on with it.

      Bulldozer - 2011-08-19 10:17

      Not South-Africans, just the Bok coach. IDIOT.

  • GraemeBB - 2011-08-19 11:17

    @SAFFA - Ipraise you for your blind loyalty. I dream it, and still hope they do it. I havent given up on our boys. Is that the same? Boks to win Saturday.

  • Michael - 2011-08-19 11:36

    Rugby as life, is all about the moment. A converted or missed opportunity makes all the difference. Hoskins had a golden opportunity to carry on the work of White by simply appointing Allister Coetzee as head coach in 2008.Rugby-smart and progressive coach always adapting to the new laws and unearthing diamond players. This, despite your feeling of what is currently going on in the Currie Cup. And above all, a non-white coach. Badabang-badabum! Problem solved! But unfortunately, again politics ruined the day. Can this still be salvaged!?After the RWC appoint Coetzee. It's an all-round win-win.Don't know if it will work. he is outspoken, Springbok loyal and tradition loving and appoints players on merit. But he is the man for the job. Him or Heyneke Meyer.Someone who can infuse respect into the jersey again and respect for it by our adversaries.

  • Sunder - 2011-08-19 12:33

    It is disgusting how some South Africans give the All blacks a heroes' welcome. In NZ, the only people backing the Boks will be ex-pats, definitely no locals. Why are our people so disloyal? You don't only back your team during a winning streak, you also back them even when things are going badly. Shame on those so-called All Black fans in PE especially!

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  • Sunder - 2011-08-19 13:58

    And by the way; will everybody please lay off Frans Steyn! He is fabulous. His size, youth and sheer aggression is going to be one of the most important factors for the Boks during RWC

  • Lance - 2011-08-20 09:41

    The problem is that too many senior players were told that they would be part of the RWC setup. This has taken away the raw hunger to win....I think the seniors are capable if they push themselves...but I think their complacency will bite them in the @ss. Go Boks ! Please prove me wrong !

  • Pedro - 2011-08-20 22:46

    What drivel is this,...5000 dweeps...?.... 21%?? The Boks are the world champions and because our third team did some teething in Australasia doesnt predicate that they are over the hill. We run onto the test pitch 2 years younger than the English wc champs of 2003,with more caps than any team in history and a burning desire to win the thing back to back in NZ,so take a chill pill and shut the frack up i'm a happy camper,we klapped the AB's today and still have room and time to improve another 30-40 percent

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