All Blacks close in on record

2010-07-14 09:07

Wellington - Barring a major reversal of fortune the All Blacks will become the most prolific point scorers in Test rugby history on Saturday.

According to the NZPA, New Zealand have been steadily gaining on France as the all-time leading scorers and now need just seven points in the Tri-Nations Test against South Africa in Wellington to climb to the top rung.

In 660 Tests, France have scored 11 792 points (average of 17.9) while the All Blacks have reached 11 786 in just 462 Tests (average of 25.5) .

Given the New Zealanders have racked up 169 points in the first four Tests of the year, the record is sure to fall and they should open up a clear lead before France next play, in November.

The All Blacks need just seven tries to overtake France's 1 561 in the all-time try scoring stakes and three conversions to be the first team to land 1 000 of them in Tests.
New Zealand and Argentina are the only leading nations to have landed more conversions than penalties.

  Tests played Won
Points for
1561 907
New Zealand
316 9860
629 332
Argentina 331 183
South Africa 386
Ireland 593
Scotland 592 251 7542 1019 563 776













  • NZKiwi - 2010-07-14 09:19

    Once again this shows why we are the greatest and most famous rugby team in the world. Our try scoring strike rate is amazing. france are only 6 tries ahead of us but they have played nearly 200 more test matches which is equivalant to 16 years of rugby. ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY ALL BLACKS!!!!!

  • Man in BLACK - 2010-07-14 09:31

    The 3 top try scoring nations ie France, NZ, and OZ are incidently also considered by most the least boring to watch. Rugby is all about running, soccor is all about kicking, these new rules should make for exciting rugby

  • Dronkie - 2010-07-14 09:35

    PUMAS outscoring the BOKS....

  • Mark - 2010-07-14 09:38

    Awesome record ! No wonder the Bokke have a hard time beating the All Blacks - not surprised that we lack BMT when playing against the top rugby team in the world ! We may have won the RWC twice - but unfortunately the Springbucks are way off the pace when it comes to overall performance. World cups come around once ever 4 years - and realistically results are generally a gamble, based on luck - but overall good performances that the AB's have maintained continuously is pure class ! Hell - I wonder how good we could have been - if politics had not interefered in the sport.

  • Oubaassehonne - 2010-07-14 09:44

    @NZKiwi. Shame, for such powerful team NZ has NEVER won the world cup where the mighty SA participated. SA has won 2 out of 4 world cups. Thats a 50% strike rate. VAT SO KATVIS !!!!! You can have all the nice stats you want. Just give us the WORLD CUP

  • Man in BLACK - 2010-07-14 09:46

    @NZKiwi, settle down mate, you know the Bok fans get offended realizing the truth instead of living in a state of illusion. 21 GUNS SALUTE, WE SALUTE YOU (Back n' Black)

  • Bulls fan forever - 2010-07-14 10:01

    The All Blacks have the best winning ratio (76%), then the Boks (66%) and in third France (57%). So even if you play many more games France you still don't win more! Argentina is scoring at 3.8 tries per game, then New Zealand at 3.4 and in third the Boks at 2.8. England have drawn 8% of their games! Another interesting fact is that the Boks and the All Blacks are heading the try conversion success rate at 64% with Italy just behind at 63%.

  • Hie hie - 2010-07-14 10:05

    @NZKiwi: Yes, and you have the World Cup's to show for it.

  • Hie hie - 2010-07-14 10:07

    @NZKiwi: Yes, and you have the World Cup's to show for it.

  • Birdman - 2010-07-14 10:09

    @Mark - These stats mean nothing! Springbucks?? What the hell do you know about rugby??

  • Bulls fan forever - 2010-07-14 10:14

    @Dronkie. Yes but Argentina played 87 (26%) of their matches against Uruguay, Paraguay, Chile and Brazil (won all those games), while the Boks have played only 3 (0.8%) against Paraguay and never against the other 3 countries. Argentina scored 4637 (48.7%) of their points against those teams, the Boks only 245 points (2.8%). False perception corrected?

  • a@oubaassehonne - 2010-07-14 10:14


  • Rob - 2010-07-14 10:18

    The World Cup is just another tournament, stats are more important.

  • argentina?? - 2010-07-14 10:20

    argentina are infact the highest scorring nations, with an average of 28 per game, more than the AB's

  • Tank - 2010-07-14 10:24

    Ek sal daarvan hou as die stats gegee kan word van net die top lande wat mekaar speel dit sal dalk meer van toepassing wees.

  • Macros - 2010-07-14 10:36

    If we look at the games played, looks to me the Pumas and Boks are doing pretty damn well at only just over 300 (ok, boks closer to 400) a piece, compared to over 600 for the frogs, 500 for the aussies, and 462 for the kiwis.

  • @Oubaassehonne - 2010-07-14 10:38

    Wat van 1987? Moenie kommentaar lewer as jy nie die game se geskiedenis ken nie!!!

  • Oubaassehonne - 2010-07-14 11:22

    Jou idioot. Lees wat ek geskryf het. In 1987 het SA nie deelgeneem nie. Moenie kommentaar lewer as jy nie kan lees of jou rugby ken nie.

  • Inkwe @ @oubaassehonne - 2010-07-14 11:32

    Perhaps you should read Oubaassehonne again. "Shame, for such powerful team NZ has NEVER won the world cup where the mighty SA participated." Note the second part of the sentence as well where he makes the point that 1987 is excluded from his statement as SA did not participate. Moenie kommentaat lewer as jy nie kan lees nie! :-)

  • wiledog - 2010-07-14 11:44

    just a thought: with the so-called consistent good performances by the AB's, why can't they win a world cup?? stats are always misleading....

  • NZ scum - 2010-07-14 11:46

    the all Black have lost all my respect, because they'll keep on showing bakkie's headbutt over and over but not once have they shown how cowan pulled bakkies back with the ref watching the whole event. You new zeelanders are a filthy bunch of cheats, and i hope you lose again in the worldcup next year because your cheating team dont deserve the cup. i hope when you come play in SA our camera crew keep on showing your illegal play over and over again. pantsy ass NZ hope the Boks make you eat dirt this weekend. We stand by bakkies because we saw what really happened.

  • LennyG - 2010-07-14 11:46

    For a New Zealand population of approx 4.2 million as against 40 + million for South Africa, the All Blacks are not doing too badly. The AB's to thrash the winging boks and their supporters at the Cake Tin this coming Saturday. Go the All Blacks.

  • @ "@ Oubaassehonne" - 2010-07-14 11:59

    SA didn't participate in the '87 WC. That's the whole point he was trying to make. Don't comment if you can't read the comment you're trying to slag off.

  • Blue Bull Boy - 2010-07-14 12:10

    @Oubaassehonne. The Boks didn't play in the 1987 or the 1991 World Cups, therefor the statement that NZ have never won the world cup where the Boks have played is totally correct. @rob, Yes, that's why all the teams dream to have a liitle piece of paper with stats on it instead of plenty of trophies in their cabinet...

  • james - 2010-07-14 12:27

    Statistics - are alot of nonsense. ie. NZ ave 25.5 points per game and Boks ave 22.7 ie less than 1 penalty difference per game. There is not much in it. Plus we have 2 world cups.

  • @ 7/14/2010 10:38 AM @Oubaassehonne - 2010-07-14 12:59

    You are a chop ! Seven of the 16 places were automatically filled by the International Rugby Football Board members – New Zealand, Australia, England, Scotland, Ireland, Wales and France – with South Africa unable to compete because of the international sports boycott due to apartheid. There was no qualification process to fill the remaining nine spots. Instead invitations were sent out to Argentina, Fiji, Italy, Canada, Romania, Tonga, Japan, Zimbabwe and the United States. This left Western Samoa controversially excluded, despite their better playing standard than some of the teams invited. The USSR were to be invited but they refused the invitation on political grounds, allegedly due to the continued IRB membership of South Africa. On the whole the tournament witnessed fairly one-sided matches, the seven IRB members proving too strong for the other teams. Half of the 24 matches across the four pools saw one team score 40 or more points. It is therefore no surprise that five of the seven highest-scoring Rugby World Cup matches were witnessed during this tournament, a statistic that is echoed in the ‘most points by an individual’ and ‘most tries by a team’ In 1985, a planned All Black tour of South Africa was stopped by the New Zealand High Court. A rebel tour took place the next year by a team known as the Cavaliers. The team was not sanctioned by the New Zealand Rugby Football Union, yet consisted of all but two of the original squad that had been selected.[70] For some of the tests, the team was advertised, inside South Africa as the All Blacks whilst at the others they were advertised as the New Zealand Cavaliers. The Springboks won the series 3-1. How can you count 1987 if there wasnt even any proper structure and SA didnt play ? If I where you I would not even mention the 1987 RWC, If SA played we would have had or 3rd World cup already.

  • All Black fan - 2010-07-14 13:13

    Look where SA is, LOL! Funny, that is where they will stay for a long time...

  • Lourens - 2010-07-14 13:22

    Stats means nothing....silverwear is what counts and the All Blacks are famous for their lack of BMT at WC's. Bakkies not playing is a blessing in disguise as Rossouw is the player in form and not Bakkies. I wish Mcdonalds-Janaurie can also be sited for something and get a 9 week ban. Then the bok team will do much better and Divvie will be forced to use one of the other scrummies in the squad.

  • NZKiwi - 2010-07-14 13:23

    @wiledog, we have won a world cup, but people call us chokers because we are consistantly the number 1 ranked team in the world and everyone knows that we are the greatest rugby team in the world and expects us to win it. When other teams dont win the world cup they dont get called chokers becuase they arent expected to be as good as the all blacks. whats gonna happen next year when we win the world cup? the world cup is the only thing Boks fans can fall back on thats why its always garaunteed to be brought up when they lose. btw whats it like to lose to Ireland and Scotland, being an all black supporter I will never know,

  • MonterHond - 2010-07-14 13:43

    Break in down into percentages - different reading then..... NZ on top and the Bokke a Good Second..... Wallybies very close to nowhere.... Isolation years also cost us on totals, but on %'es Wanted to paste here but not displaying right!

  • deon - 2010-07-14 13:52

    Ha ha ha, wat n strooi rekord!!!!!!! Kyk na die toetse gespeel...en ook gewen...ha ha ha frankryk suig eintlik. Die all blacks en booke hoort top van daai lys as jy kyk na al I'll take this record....after isolation we've been great...Look at the ratio's. After a few years we'll be up there with the guys. We have the best growth, the least matches but the best ratio together with NZ. Amazing!!!! Go BOKKE!!!! Great stats, but read it carefully, for its very flattering to all the teams if you dont read them the way you should. Bokke and NZ top the years....Facts.

  • Gtr - 2010-07-14 13:53

    @ NZKiwi: I wonder where NZ would have been if it weren't for those south sea islands. Some see it as asset stripping in the South Seas, but the International Rugby Board, who would like nothing better than for smaller unions to emerge as competition for the established sides, are caught between a set of isolated rocks and a hard place. Faced with the facts of economic life, the rugby-mad folk of Samoa, Fiji and Tonga often send their offspring to schools in New Zealand. Subsequent generations, like Nonu in Wellington, are born there. So, New Zealand would have been really average if it weren't for the Pacific islands.

  • Man in BLACK - 2010-07-14 14:03

    @NZKiwi, I know exactly what you mean, Saffas don't realize it but being called a choker is actually a great compliment, the saffas arn't the most intelligent people. I wonder if they have schools over there. No#1, I personally love the idea that saffas are cringing that we are No#1, sure they beat us 3 zip last year but that's hardly an era especially considering that English and Irish provincial teams beat them in the same year so actually their era was only 3 months worth.

  • Oubaassehonne - 2010-07-14 14:51

    @NZKiwi and Man in Black. There you have it. The "genius" new zealanders see the choker tag as a compliment. What a joke. Now I know you are a bunch of loosers. CURRENTLY the BOKS have the Trinations and World Cups in our trophy cabinet while you clowns have the choker tag and some stats. Enjoy. Bokke RULE when it counts !!!

  • Mark - 2010-07-14 20:48

    @Birdman - My apologies old chap - Springbucks - should read SpringBOKS. Bok rhymes with fok .... jou ! My rugby knowledge is pretty good old boy - especially when it comes to the amount of times that the All Blacks have beaten the SPRINGBUCKS/BOKS However let me put your imbecelic mind to rest - I am not an SA All Black supporter - just a keen rugby supporter, that can acknowledge the achievements of other teams ! Unlike most narrow minded Springbok supporters, I do realise that the Bokke are not the be all and end all of International Rugby. The Springbucks have raised their game BECAUSE of the excellent competition around them. As much as we may not like NZ or their rugby - lets at least be man enough to grant them the respect of being one of the greatest rugby playing nations on the planet. At least the All Blacks always field match winning teams - and the percentages show that they have won more than they have lost - they are the benchmark of how we judge our standards, and the reason why the rivalry is so fierce between these two rugby playing nations - and as someone else mentioned on this forum - the AB's have never lost to Ireland or Scotland - as both these countries are not really recognised as power houses of international rugby ! Tally Ho !

  • AVR - 2010-07-14 21:08

    Playing against the All blacks is like playing against the British Lions,as you are playing against four nations. I wonder how Mighty the All Blacks would be if they were not allowed to poach the best players from Samoa,Tonga and Fiji over many years? Love to see a test between All Blacks ( only New Zealanders ) and a combined team from Samoa,Tonga and Fiji. Time for the IRB to put and end of this practice of stealing!!!

  • AVR - 2010-07-14 22:19

    @Mark- Agree that the All Blacks are agreat rugby team with an awesome record and never really field a weak side.Just for the record the Sringboks were the only side in world rugby(Tests) to hold record (more wins than losses) against them before isolatian due to Apartheid!!!.My question is this- What would these stats be if the All Blacks were banned and isolated from test rugby as long as the Boks were, and upon readmission had to field sides with development players that were not good enough or the best in their respective positions?

  • Man in BLACK - 2010-07-14 23:00

    @AVR, imagine our record if during your aparteid era you let us field players of colour instead of feilding ringins, and we still won a few matches didn't we, as for 'poaching', give stats regarding which Island players have we poached, name them, name one that wasn't either born or grew up as a child in NZ. Your starting to look foolish as well as racist but thats no suprise. The All Blacks are all NZers, hey, what tribe in South Africa do you belong to as your obviously a native South African lol. I bet that your've never even touched a rugby ball, KIA KAHA

  • Jok Leeun Stats - 2010-07-15 00:20

    Jok Leeun Stats - and more than a grain of salt And what is that statement about more conversions than penalties? An easy analysis shows that AB scores 2.06 penalties per game (second most after Argentina). So what was the point? @ Man in BLACK - Boks scoring 3rd most tries per game. better than Aus and France. I guess if Kenya plays a 1000 matches and score 1 in each, that will make them the most exciting to watch based on your logic. All things considered, the AB's are the best team over the years, the Boks second. But what the hell, who cheers in the past. Your as good as your last couple of matches I say so lets see what happens Saturday.

  • NZKiwi - 2010-07-15 02:10

    @AVR, the win lose rate between the boks and AB's before the professional era isnt a credible statistic to go by because we were never aloud to field our best possible team for reasons I would rather not get into and im sure no one here wants to head down that track either. cant wait until Wednesday, it will be a cracker.

  • NZKiwi - 2010-07-15 02:20

    @AVR I agree it would be stealing if the island nations had coached and developed their players and then we poached them after they turned professional, like what Barcelona does in the soccer. But that isnt the case. Auckland is the largest polynesian city in the world, their are more living in new zealand then in the islands. we would never tell these people who have lived here either most or all of their lives they couldnt play for NZ because of their race. even with the combined population of NZ, tonga, fiji and samoa it still doesnt equate to anywhere near 40 million people

  • Impi - 2010-07-15 05:52

    Mediocre showing by SA. The Mighty All Blacks will pull further ahead now that a try is worth 5 - each match is a try fest for them. And as we've seen, SA doesn't score many of those against decent opponents. Hulle is te kak.

  • rory - 2010-07-15 07:15

    Ah the mighty All Blacks.......what else does NZ have have beside a few hobbits shame. Let them have their day!

  • Man in BLACK - 2010-07-15 07:45

    @AVR, well actually SA did ban NZ playing our (YES OUR), full strength team, oh that's right, your the white brigade that hates us. Keep up the momentum bru, Kia Ora, isn't the Haka great? Hey, simple question, who do you think the world recognises as the greatest team? Forget your racism/arrogant/ignorant point of view but which country do YOU think respects respect? Catch a fire bru

  • Mark - 2010-07-15 08:16

    @AVR - Agreed - however lets get out of the dark ages - and realise that we can bitch and moan about how our rugby was done a disservice due to the apartheid era - but realistically there is nothing we can do about what happened in the past - so lets move on ! We are in a new era, and unfortunately the Boks are going to be judged in competitions that they have played in - not in what might have been !!! Rugby in Australia is the third most (possibly slipped to 4th) played sport in the country - however they always manage to put good competitive sides together and pull one over on the Boks ! The Boks have a SERIOUS mental problem against the Wallabies and All Blacks - which they to date have still not managed to master - therein lies our problem - BMT - not lack of skills - thats why the likes of Schalk Burger and Brainkless Botha get punished by the opposition - due to the skills of the opposing teams and their media getting to our players phsyche ! Most of the time we are beaten before we even run on the field ! I honestly dont believe that the All Blacks fear the Springboks, as much as the Boks fear the AB's - they KNOW they have the beating of us (and other nations) on most occassions - and that my friend is what makes them so dangerous and the holders of all the records and stats - regardless of players from the islands - AB's BELIEVE they are the best - and it shows ! We have moments - however a lot of it is just posturing ! So lets be fair and give them credit - because without the All Blacks - the Springboks would be just about on par with Bafana Bafana due to lack of top class opposition or competition ! Cest La Vien !

  • Man in BLACK - 2010-07-15 10:48

    @Mark, hey Bro, lets have facts, don't start spouting shit, No"1, BACK UP YOUR FACTS, pussyies like you have never touched a rugby ball. One on one I guaretee I'd show you up, doh doh, give us facts. Izzzz get the feelings your still stuck in 2nd gear BOY. Too fast SIR, facts oh wise one, simple as, here's a simple question even you'l understand, Who is the best team in the WORLD, arrogance can get you so far but the world listens, SPEAK UP SPRINGCHUMP

  • Mark - 2010-07-15 11:18

    @Mark, say again? You have the balls to put down NZ and your now back tracking, I can't hear YOU, dork

  • Mark - 2010-07-15 12:42

    @Man In Black & Mark - Are you 2 f$##*g stupid ??? Read ALL my comments PROPERLY - Not ONCE have I said that the AB's do not deserve their accolades. Most of my comments have been aimed at the Springboks inability to counter AB dominance ! Jeez - sheep shagging has really limited your abilities to read properly !!

  • Joe - 2010-07-15 13:18

    Hey all you AB FOOLS!!!!!! Do some maths before you down play the boks as 7th, u sheep shaggers!! SA second in Games % Won and 3rd in Ave points per game. Arg no 1, not even you fu***** island criminals...

  • AVR - 2010-07-15 21:46

    @Man in Black- no need to get personal because the truth hurts!!!!. I take it that the great Brian Williams was born on the moon and his son on jupiter!!!. Furthermore Brian has never been part of the All Black coaching staff butt has been part of where his hart is and that is his native Samoa!. Maybe you are not aware of the great contests of the past between these two great rugby playing nations.Please explain as to why the All Blacks have never won a world cup since the Boks are part of it and you are now allowed to fieild your RAINBOW side.Please,please stop blameing Sussie as she has retired after the 1995 world cup!!!!