White: Injustice to drop Lions

2012-04-29 22:16

Johannesburg - Former Springbok coach Jake White says it would be a tragedy if a team with as much rugby history as the Lions were to drop out of the Super Rugby competition.

The Lions are in danger of losing their Super Rugby slot to make way for the Southern Kings in next year's competition.

"I hope it doesn't happen, the reality is especially a franchise like the Lions has a lot of history," White said after his Brumbies side beat the Lions 34-20 at Coca-Cola Park on Friday.

"I was saying to Kevin de Klerk (Golden Lions Rugby Union president) upstairs we started in 1996 as a Brumbies squad, if you think about it the Lions started a hundred years before us.

"It would be a massive injustice if you don't have a team that is a hundred-and-something years old to actually be a part of it."

White said it was an issue the South African rugby decision makers had to finalise as a matter of urgency.

"I just don't think you should be chucking those sort of years and years of history out of the window," he said.

"But it is a tough call because at the end of the day, six does not go into five, and if they've made a commitment they've got to find a way in which they could fit six into five.

"The Southern Kings are the only confirmed team for the 2013 competition, while the other four South African places have yet to be determined.

The SA Rugby Union (SARU) and a delegation were still due to have a meeting with SANZAR partners, Australia and New Zealand, to have discussions on a possible expansion of the competition.

If SARU fails to come to an agreement with SANZAR, the remaining spot in the South African conference is likely to be decided by relegation.

With the Lions still languishing at the bottom of the Super Rugby log at this early stage of the competition they are in serious jeopardy of losing their spot, if they do not turn the tables soon.

The Lions have lost seven matches on the trot since the start of this year's Super Rugby season.

White was sympathetic towards the Lions as he felt the uncertainty of their participation in next year's competition did not help their cause.

"And people can say whatever they like, to win the Currie Cup, in this country - doesn't matter who you play - to beat the Sharks in the final is massive but then to lose nine players and then start from scratch, there is no franchise in the world that can do it," White said.

"Even the Bulls, if you take nine players out when they were at the peak of their game they also would have struggled.

"White said the only way for the Lions to stop their losing streak was to be consistent and show faith in the players they had at their disposal.

"I don't want to get into the whole political wrangle but how hard must it be to try and contract players for the Lions next year if you don't even know if you are in or out?

"How hard is it to know, whether you are going to get a sponsor if you don't know whether you are playing Super Rugby or not?"


  • Fanus - 2012-04-29 22:31

    Sal iemand dit agterkom as hulle uitval kings sal ni so baie slegter doen dalk het hulle n meer wil om te wen

      Ken - 2012-04-29 23:28

      Fanus, jy het obviously geen clue waaroor dit gaan nie!

      Tokolos - 2012-04-30 03:14

      Fanus is 'n AAP!!!

      Steven Trollip - 2012-04-30 05:38

      stem saam fanus.hierdie tokelos is u tiepiese bull supporter wat like om in mense se karakters te klim

      Blouvitrioel - 2012-04-30 07:07

      Hier gaan ou Sakkie alweer. Bul groete.

      roboman1 - 2012-04-30 08:08

      Promotion game surely Fanus? Surely the Lions and the Kings should have a double header home and away play off? Whoever wins plays Super 15? (If it is one each, play a decider?) More money for the poor unions, as I am sure lots of sup[porters will pitch up for a do or die promotion relegation game!) Both Unions will score a bit of much needed extra cash in such a big match. And surely it is logical for the best teams to be in the Super 15?

      Raeez - 2012-04-30 09:07

      Die bra ken niks van Rugby af nie! Die Kings gaan skande maak.

      Burtfred - 2012-04-30 10:46

      Amalgamate the Bulls and the Lions into one union and have two home grounds - Loftus and Ellis park. Very few lions supporters ever pitch up at Ellis Park; maybe they can fill the seats with the Bulls supporters instead. The Kings will get far more supporters in their stadium than the Lions usually do. Offer special trips on the Gautrain from Pretoria to Park station and busses to the stadium. The Lions don't have to be dropped from the league to cause their demise - they are doing it by themselves by playing lousy rugby.

      Burtfred - 2012-04-30 11:58

      I bet all my thumbs downs on this one are from Bulls supporters. No ways do they want to support the flotsam of the wrecked Lions.

      Reginald - 2012-04-30 15:46

      ek stem saam met jou fanus,die lions is moeg en moet n bietjie gan rus,die kings speel volgende seisoen superrugby finish en klaar al verloor hulle 100-0 hulle sal regkom,ek wil òok n bietjie rugby by die stadium gan kyk en nie net op die tv nie

      Ruan - 2012-05-02 10:11

      Im with you fanus!!!!

      jwdupreez - 2012-05-02 15:16

      Waaraan snuif jy knap? nutro of stront????

  • Matthew Patrick - 2012-04-29 22:33

    It's an even bigger injustice when you consider the fact that the Lions (back when they were Transvaal) were the first team to win a Super Rugby tournament and that they beat the Southern Kings by 80 odd points to nil in a pre-season friendly. Politics is messing up sport in this country.

      Staalburger - 2012-04-30 00:25

      As long as Cheeky and co can make a lot of money, who cares about rugby. It is a disgrace.

      Dieter - 2012-04-30 09:15

      matthew. the 80 pointer you are talking about was against a combined SWD "B" & Border team. Stick with playing ps3 boet.

      John - 2012-04-30 10:34

      The Kings need to earn their place on the log at currie cup level. If they can't perform locally they have no place in an international log. Politicians interfering with sport again

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-04-30 14:57

      The Southern Kings team the Lions played was not even their C side The would naturally beat their A side but what does that say??nothing Lions are pretty useless - fact Kings cant do any worse

  • Bob - 2012-04-29 23:04

    Not often that one get on to the same page as White - but for once he speaks sense. The whole Kings debacle is just that - a debacle. I live in the E.Cape and I believe in the talent that the Border/Kei area produces - but "The Kings" belong to a fantasy world of the western areas of the province and cannot be sustainable

      Blouvitrioel - 2012-04-30 07:09

      Ja Sipho, ek stem saam. Ons swartmense moet saamstaan. Ek haat ook witmense. Bul groete.

      Acta - 2012-04-30 08:24


      Johan - 2012-04-30 12:07

      The Kings are going to be a joke whether the whole squad is made of all white players, all black black players or transformers. For them to be competitive, that is, to lose by less than 25 points they will have to import players from elsewhere. When that happens listen to whinging about lack of transformation. The Kings were born out of political necessity, they will be mired in political nonsense and their demise will be due to political interference.

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-04-30 15:00

      and the Lions deserve their place....... 7 in a row...

      cedricrcannon - 2012-04-30 16:27

      Couldn't agree more with you Bob, also being in the Eastern Cape I as all rugby fans want is the strongest teams in the competition whoever they are. I think Sanzar should step in and insist that only the strongest teams in each conference may compete, any newcomers have to be stronger than the bottom side. Fans fill the stadiums and pay their DSTV subscriptions, SARU can't just push the Kings on us, we pay their salaries as well. As a very last resort maybe a boycott of sort is the only way to emphasize how serious we are about having the best teams in the competition.

      Carl - 2012-04-30 19:18

      I can't belive how predudice people are. You okes from the Eastern Cape, you may come from there, but who do you support and do you really know anything about EC Rugby? The Lions are consistently in the bottom 3 of the competition and giving foreign teams a freebee, why not bring in the Kings. There will be EP, Border and SWD. What if they lose all thier games, it's nothing that the Bulls and Lions haven't done yet. I have nothing against the current teams, but to say that those teams be given life long rights to Super Rugby without question is crazy. Don't forget, WP missed the Super 12 one year when the top 4 CC teams went through to play Super 12 and it was not the end of the world, why the fuss now. I think the motivation of being dropped from the competition will only help motivate teams.

  • Kevin - 2012-04-29 23:09

    as a Lions supporter, its tough to watch us lose year in and year out, we have not been competitive in super rugby since it became super 12. if there is to be a relegation system, season on season, then maybe it would be a good thing for the Lions, to build up a squad, miss a year and come back in, as the Kings will no doubt be relegated immediately and be the whipping boys, with some record defeats, how long is it that they get the place in the competition for ?

      Marius - 2012-04-30 09:26

      As far as I know all S15 franchise licences are 3 year contracts with the respective unions. That is why the Kings can only come in next year, SARU had to wait for all the current licences to expire to avoid any legal implications from the team that falls out.

  • Ken - 2012-04-29 23:24

    Jake you are so right, but try and explain that to the idiots that run SARU!

  • Stormkaap - 2012-04-29 23:39


  • Eugene - 2012-04-30 00:40

    lions played well. People cannot deny that they tried their best. I hope the Lions will be here for a long time still. They were unlucky at time to loose lineouts and have so many injuries etc. All teams have them but sometimes you can recover. All the Lions losses were with a few points and the Lions really showed heart. I'm an Stormers supporter, will always be one but i must admit that SA Rugby is going in a good direction, (Stormers and Bulls are tops, with the Sharks and Cheetah's trying to keep the enemy at buy along with the Lions) Chow

  • Stormkaap - 2012-04-30 01:26

    Die Stormers behoort gedrop te raak, 17yr and counting

      Tokolos - 2012-04-30 03:12

      Stormkaap... Ek stem. Ten minste weet jy wat jy kan verwag van die arme Lions. Die Stormpies gee elke jaar hulle supporters hoop en dan wil hulle polse sny aan die einde en wonder wat het fout gegaan. Elke keer hoor jy hulle aan die einde van die jaar as hulle WEER gechoke het. Dan sê hulle "watch ons volgende jaar". Jokers / Chokers. Waar was jy al die tyd? Daai fake Stormkaap, Yusuf het jou profiel gehijack my maat. Dis goed om jou terug te sien op die blogs want daai ou kan darem lekker snot praat as hy tyd het. Ek dink die papsak, vrot snoek en tik tas daai ou se brein aan soos meeste van hulle. GROETE VAN DIE TOKOLOS... VANAF DA KINGDOM OF DA BULL!!!

      Blouvitrioel - 2012-04-30 07:10

      Ek stem volkome saam. Bul groete.

      Raymond - 2012-04-30 20:12

      I think you need to gedrop your pants,look down and you will see more brains down there than in your head.You have a typical CaraVan Park Klippies and Coke Mentality and obviously suffer with verbal Diarrhoea.

      Stormkaap - 2012-05-01 02:59

      @Raymond I do have a lot of brains down there, it is a huge outjie, all the girls agree on that

  • Darryl - 2012-04-30 05:17

    Take out the Blue Bulls instead.

      jacovdw - 2012-04-30 06:53

      The Blue Bulls aren't playing Super Rugby ..... Genius!

      Blouvitrioel - 2012-04-30 07:11

      Ha ha Darryl, jou foefol. Bul groete.

      Johan - 2012-04-30 10:09

      Wow,what a commet. Stayed up all night for this one. Rather stick to the buttons on your playstation

      Johan - 2012-04-30 12:39

      So Isak, kom ons gooi Stormers uit die Vodacom cup. Maak dit vir jou sin? Wag tot iemand actually saam met jou stem voor jy judge en jury speel op jou tekort aan kennis

  • markwmilligan - 2012-04-30 05:48

    I agree with White on this one. I don't think the Southern Kings will offer much at all in the tournament. As usual it is left up to the fat cats (SARFU) to make that decision.

      Ndira - 2012-04-30 09:34

      whats the worst thing that the kings could do,embarras us by losing every game?oops lions have already done that

      heinrich.beukes1 - 2012-04-30 11:24

      @Ndira the lions have won their first game! Sorry to disappoint you.

      Johan - 2012-04-30 12:13

      The Lions are improving. Look how long it has taken them. They were are far better side to start with than the Kings. The Kings would not even win the Vodacom or Currie Cup with their Super 15 squad. How throwing a squad into a competition like the Super 15 is going to assist transformation is a mystery. Some very good players are going to be ruined.

  • Nic - 2012-04-30 06:16

    Maybe there is a white elephant stadium that needs money in PE ?

      Blouvitrioel - 2012-04-30 07:12

      Dis die nuwe Suid Afrika. Ons noem dit nou n swart olifant. Bul groete.

      Marius - 2012-04-30 09:30

      The new stadium in PE has been the only new stadium in the country that has been running at a profit since the World Cup. Neither Cape Town, Durban or Jhb can claim that.

      Johan - 2012-04-30 10:19

      The white elephant is Cheaky Watson

      Johan - 2012-04-30 12:14

      Cheeky Watson cannot be the white elephant. An elephant has brains.

      Johan - 2012-04-30 12:30

      Johan. It looks like I'm replying on my own comments!

  • Peter Zylstra - 2012-04-30 06:51

    The Lion's demise is a result of BEE/incompetance/quotas being forced onto the unions by SARU!!

  • Mark - 2012-04-30 07:02

    Get real the Lions are a joke and have been ever since Superrugby started. They are always at the bottom so they need to take a break and make way for some fresh blood. Unfair that the E-Cape gets excluded especially when the Lions play so poorly every year. Message to Lions - Frack off you are no longer needed in the S15.

      Leon - 2012-04-30 07:21

      Message to Mark !! Frack never knew what you're talking about.

      roboman1 - 2012-04-30 08:07

      Surely the Lions and the Kings should have a double header home and away play off? Whoever wins plays Super 15? (If it is one each, play a decider?) More money for the poor unions, as I am sure lots of sup[porters will pitch up for a do or die promotion relegation game!) Both Unions will score a bit of much needed extra cash in such a big match. And surely it is logical for the best teams to be in the Super 15?

      boltonbarry - 2012-04-30 09:05

      Hang on. We are the first SA team to win a Super trophy. So how is it that we have been a joke from the start ?

      Marko - 2012-04-30 09:20

      1993 to be exact the Lion (Transvaal beat Auckland (Blues) in the final of the first Super 10. Thereafter Natal (Sharks) lost in 2 finals against Queensland (Reds) in 1994 an 1995. Mark should not talk about things bigger than himself. Blou groete!

      Marko - 2012-04-30 13:31

      The Eastern Province and Border unioms fall under the Sharks franchise, show me one player from those teams to represent the Sharks in the last 10 years. Imagine every Union wants a crack at Super rugby. This is a regional competition. But if the EP wants it so bad they should volenteer to play 2 promotion relegation matches agains the last SA Super franchise and then even earn the respect of yhe rest of the country. I sure will then also change my view.

  • Marius - 2012-04-30 07:27

    "It would be a massive injustice if you don't have a team that is a hundred-and-something years old to actually be a part of it." Jake. Don't you know that both the EP and Border rugby Unions are almost 10 years older than the Transvaal Rugby Union. The first rugby test ever played in South Africa was at St Georges Park in PE on 30 July 1891 so by that comment you agree that it has been a massive injustice for the EP/Border region to have been excluded from Super Rugby all these years

      hobson.jantjies1 - 2012-04-30 08:03

      Good lesson to Jake who wanted to appear smart and logical.

      Johan - 2012-04-30 09:30

      And with those ten years more have achieved nothing, thank you for the reminder Marius!!

      Marius - 2012-04-30 11:14

      @Johan. The point I was trying to make was that Jake shouldn't have used the age of the union as an argument to keep the Lions in the S15 as the both the Eastern Cape unions are older than the Lions.

      Johan - 2012-04-30 16:57

      And both have achieved far less, that is the big point.

      Franklyn - 2012-04-30 19:01

      Jake the

  • Zion - 2012-04-30 07:31

    Th4e only way to solve the dilemma is to have both teams play out several times against each other and a third team. The third team will serve as a reference point. In my opinion the Lions will come out best whilst the Southern Kings will not fare well and have a tag of being a palooka team.

      Raymond - 2012-04-30 08:09

      I agree with you one hundred percent.

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-04-30 15:07

      Zion you make absolute no sense... The Southern Kings need to become a Super Rugby team before they can compete against another Super rugby side... Same budget, same size squad You obviously support that palooka super rugby team that plays their rugby in Joburg??

  • Grant - 2012-04-30 07:40

    Die Lions moet liewer saamsmelt met die Bulle om een sterker regionale span te vorm, dan kan die Kings permanent in Super Rugby bly. Almal baat daarby: Die Bulle kry 'n geldelike hupstoot en 'n speler of twee by (maar nie veel meer), die Lions ondersteuners begin weer voel soos wenners en die Oos-Kapenaars word die slaansakke wat hulle so graag wil wees. Plus die SA publiek kry eersdaags soveel meer van Luke Watson te sien !!

      Marko - 2012-04-30 09:05

      Gooie idee maar hulle moet net die Leeus bestuur daar uit hou want dis by hulle waar al die probleeme le.nie die spelers en afrigters nie.

      Carl - 2012-04-30 18:58

      Lions have no money to give the Bulls. I think the Bulls brand is strong and should not be dilluted. No offence, but the Bulls and Lions phillosophies are totally different and merging won't work. The Lions could try to once again revivie the union with the Cheatahs if anything, otherwise make way for the Kings and rebuild. There's always the option that the Lions and the Kings merge and be called the Lion King :-)

  • Bomb - 2012-04-30 07:43

    Should be easy, SA team at bottom of Super table gets relegated on a yearly basis to make place for the best performing team in the local competition, which will not necessarily be the Kings. That way, everyone else stands a chance of being a part of super rugby. As for the current arrangement, the Kings will play, its a political decision and someone will have to make space. There will be pressure on the bottom SA team to go, but there will obviously be efforts to then join this team with another franchise as before, which will be a logistical and planning nightmare. As for the Kings, well we all stand a chance of making some cash in the betting stakes, albeit very little, as they will be trashed by the stronger teams, but this is the only way to develop and strengthen the franchise. I just hope that actual players from the EC area and surroundings will be given the opportunity, and the import of players from other areas will be kept to a minimum, otherwise it completely defeats the purpose, as development was given as the main reason behind the decision.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-04-30 08:39

      It is not possible due to sponsorship, injuries and building a strong team. It takes a few seasons and good players available will be moved from one province to another all the time. The fact remains that all these unions will do is buying good players to strengthen theirs and try to build a new team every year. They will buy the other teams in question and due to no guarantee of S15 rugby the next year these players will than rather sit on the bench in the big teams than being send around. Thus, the 5 th team will always start with brand new players and fail time and time again. Neither will they have the money due to inconsistent sponsorship. Just look at Cheetahs. Rugby factory with shortage in money and not able to keep players. Put a weaker province in even a worst position and what do you think you can expect? What ever the solution/decision will be, it s clear that it must be for longer than 3 or rather 5 years.

  • Raymond - 2012-04-30 07:53

    Who were the nine players that were lost to the Lions.This is the same team that beat the Sharks in the CC final.There should be a home and away play-offs.Keep the Lions in S15,the Kings are a disgrace and will be an embarrasment to our country.

      Nico - 2012-04-30 12:37

      1. Bandise Maku, 2. JC Janse van Rensburg, 3. CJ vd Linde, 4. Wickus van Heerden, 5. Michael Rhodes, 6. Warren Whiteley, 6. Michael Bondisio, 7. Elton Jantjies, 8. Alwyn Hollenbach, 9. Doppies La Grange, 10. Lionell Mapoe, 11. Dylan des Fountain, 12. Michael Killian, 13. Waylon Murray ... o sorry, u only wanted 9 names

  • Arno - 2012-04-30 08:11

    As jy net gaan kyk in die opwarmings wedstryd het die verskriklike Kings iets soos 88-6 verloor teen die Lions. Wat gaan met die Kings gebeur wanneer hulle teen die Crusaders te staan kom. White is reg en op hierdie stadium is daar nie plek vir die kings nie. Hulle gaan net 'n skaamte nalaat. Wie wil in die super rugby tellings soos 100-0 en 88-6 ens sien.

      boltonbarry - 2012-04-30 09:07

      Arno ek dink dis dalk miskien n blessing in disguise vir die Lions om n seisoen uit te sit sodat hulle kan her groepeer sonder super 15 druk.

      Marko - 2012-04-30 13:41

      Who did they play then? I encourage as many real rugby lovers to travel to Witbank on Friday or even support the Pumas in their Vodacom Cup cup knockout match against EP.

  • Barbara - 2012-04-30 08:29

    Surely the Kings should prove themselves in the Currie Cup first??

      Johan - 2012-04-30 10:13

      Just like the e-toll system they are trying to force something through that is not tested and will fail

  • Michael - 2012-04-30 08:30

    The top 5 teams in the Curry cup should qualify for Super Rugby, if the Kings are good enough they will make it. Relegating the bottom SA side in such a tough Super Rugby season is not the answer! The Kings need to show that they can hold themselves against the top side in the Currie Cup before they can represent South Africa in Aus and NZ. How embarrassing will be it be if they go over to Christchurch and get pumped 80-0. just saying.

      Marius - 2012-04-30 11:24

      @Axolile. Yes and Killian, Maku and Jantjies can come back to EP.

  • Jed - 2012-04-30 08:57

    To all the Kings supporters who keep bringing up how hard done by they are compared to the bigger unions. BULLSH*T the Eastern Cape were one of the Big unions due to poor results and declining Attendance at games , they disappeared. During 1992-2002 they were in the Currie Cup and got dropped due to ending bottom of Section Y in 2002. And Let’s not forget The eastern cape played in the First Super 10 Comp and ended rock bottom. The bigger unions grew themselves up to what they are now. They were not given a free ride. Kings need to earn respect because I tell you what they will get non from the other unions. I for one will be Booing the Kings as they run out at Newlands and I suggest the rest of the country does it to.

      Johnny - 2012-04-30 10:58

      Cape town stadium

  • Andile - 2012-04-30 09:00

    The Lions must stay in the S15 because they are more than 100 years...??? Rubbish! That is like saying let us keep the ANC in power because they are 100...

  • Andile - 2012-04-30 09:00

    The Lions must stay in the S15 because they are more than 100 years...??? Rubbish! That is like saying let us keep the ANC in power because they are 100...

      Burtfred - 2012-04-30 11:57

      Yes Andile, I agree. It's like saying Mad Bob should stay in power because he has always been the President.

  • Jahendel - 2012-04-30 09:02

    Kings of Lions in S15...selfde storie.5 maklike punte vir teenstanders. So julle poepholle wat so tekere gaan einde van die wedstryd gee nie om wie vd 2 gespeel het nie.Ek se gee die Kings 'n kans.Kan nie slegter as die Lions vaar elke jaar nie.(LAASTE)

  • Marko - 2012-04-30 09:12

    I also see the Mighty Southern Kings will be travelling to Perth in June during the International window to play the Western Force without their Wallaby players. Can't wait to see what happens there (Go Force). Also all costs for this tour will be paid for by SARU.

      Marius - 2012-04-30 11:35

      @Marko. And your problem with SARU paying for that trip is what? The current franchises each get 40 mIllion a year from SARU just from the TV rights agreement and on top of that pay for all their travel and accommodation in the S15 competition too. You sound like a classic case of those who have that want more to the detriment of those who don't.

      Marko - 2012-04-30 13:17

      EP receives even more than the top provinces. All extra money in SARU has been pumped into EP rugby for years now with no returns. Why not send other provinces like Griquas and the Pumas, they far out perform the EP.

  • Hayley - 2012-04-30 09:21

    I think the solution to the relegation issue is quite simple, the bootom team in the SA super 15 conference should play the Spears a 3 game relegation match, the same as in the Curry Cup, deciding the relagation teams. So if the Lions finish last, they play the Spears and the winner gets to play the next year. That way, the Spears will never get to play, even if the Lions finish stone last, they are still way better than the Spears.

  • steyn.jacobs - 2012-04-30 10:45

    I've noticed that the Kings supporters have no reasoning ability... absolutely bloody stupid in my opion.

      Andile - 2012-04-30 11:21

      I think you also fall under the same category.

  • David - 2012-04-30 10:59

    I wasted my time on Friday night to go and watch the fiasco. It was terrible, to say the least. I haven't seen a team as indecisive and unwilling to defend. It looked like they were all protecting themselves to be fit to go on tour. I personally think that the players should stay at home, save money on airline tickets, and buy dedicated players. After 40 years of loyally supporting the Lions, I have decided that enough is enough.

  • riaan.vanniekerk.5 - 2012-04-30 11:40

    The difference is while the lions are losing matches they still remain competitive. The Kings are doing just enough to stay in the run for the vodacom cup. Should it be reversed the Lions would run riot in that competition, likely to win matches regularly by 50 odd points and more. In April this year the Kings faced the Lions, one of the weakest sides in Super rugby and were given a 88-0 beating! The Lions answering Saru 's possible desicion to include the Kings in Super Rugby at their expense. Loosing by nearly a Hundred points against the weakest will they fair against a rampant Bulls, Chiefs or Crusaders team? How are their chances to stay 'competitive' in the most gruelling provincial competition week after week? It would be embaressing to say the least!

  • Marko - 2012-04-30 11:48

    Every single one of SA's provincial rugby teams have been devided into a franchise. Lions - Lions, Leopards and Pumas, Bulls- Blue Bulls an Valke, Cheetahs- Free State an Griekwas, Stormers- Western Province, Boland and Eagle, Sharks have Border and Eastern Province. If EP had any players of note they would be playing for the Sharks, but they don't.

      Marius - 2012-04-30 13:30

      That was the original distribution, but EP and Border have not been part of the Sharks for the last 10 years and neither has SWD been part of the Stormers. The way that the whole franchise deals have been structured, enabled the anchor unions to contract all the players themselves, instead of using the players from their satelite unions. Each union gets a certain amount from SARU for each player that plays Super Rugby, so it makes sense to rather steal the players from the satelite unions by offering them contracts with the anchor union, because that way they keep more money for themselves and also build a stronger team for their Currie Cup campaign in the process. This model has created 5 very rich unions and 9 others who can barely survive financially.

      Bootman - 2012-04-30 18:43

      @Marius excellent point. Every player of note that have emerged from Boland, has been poached by the Stormers. How are these smaller unions meant to prosper when they constantly lose players to bigger unions. If Boland and SWD were ever part of the Stormers it certainly didnt show. In the history of Super rugby, the Stormers played one game at Boland Park in Wellington and one game at Outeniqua Park in George. How are these unions going to benefit from Super Rugby. The answer...............make them part of the Kings and give them a Super Rugby franchise.

      Carl - 2012-04-30 22:02

      @Bootman: SWD is part of the Kings. As for Boland, the Stadium's capacity makes hosting games unfeasible so Boland sells thier rights to host the games to WP every year.

  • Malcolm - 2012-04-30 14:32

    I agree entirely with Jake White's view on this. It is fundamentally ludicrous to be making space for bottom feeders like the King's when they cannot even do better than a 4th place ranking in the Vodacom Cup. It's bad enough that we have had sides which cannot make anything except last spot in the log for the Super 15 and its been that way for years now. Must we now make our rugby an absolute laughing stock by putting this buffoon team into the Super 15 simply in order to accomodate political game playing by SARFU once again.

      Carl - 2012-04-30 18:50

      The Kings that will partake in Super Rugby is not the EP Kings. It will consist of 3 team taking part in the Vodacom Cup, namely SWD, EP and Border so don't read anything into EP's Vodacom Cup and Currie Cup form. At the moment we're keeping foreign team happy by handing them freebees. May as well make foreign teams and politicians happy at the same time? PS: Even though I don't see the issue with dropping the Lions, I don't think it would be legally and ethically correct to maket he decision or the anouncement after the season has already started. Having said that, the Lions may end up not being the bottom placed SA team come the end of the season.

  • Carl - 2012-04-30 17:50

    I don't see the problem with the Lions being dropped. They have consistently ended in the bottom 3 of the Super Rugby competitions. The Lions are handing pointers to foreign teams and save thier best for the SA teams. Maybe a year or two away from the competition will help them. How about setting them a target of a top 10 spot and they can stay in the competition, anything lower and you step out and make place for the Kings. PS: The Kings will be a regional team made up of EP, SWD and Border and not just EP like everyone is alluding to.

      Niel - 2012-04-30 19:18

      And the ep kings have consintently not qualified for currie cup 1st devision.

  • Christoff - 2012-04-30 18:35

    dis als politiek man! ek's al so siek en sat daarvoor ek wil puke.

  • reuben.riffel - 2012-05-01 02:44

    The Kings will play Super xv rugby finish and klaar JW has no locus standi in SA rugby he will always give the populist opinion

  • Malcolm - 2012-05-01 08:15

    @Carl It is really irrelevant to point out that EP Kings currently participating in the Vodacom Cup are not the Kings who will participate in the Super 15. The point is simply that the EP Kings currently rank highest at 4th on the log of the Vodacom Cup. The Border Bulldogs and SWD rank even lower. The EP Kings are the best of a really shabby bunch of bottom feeders in SA Rugby and now we want to combine them and pretend they will be something worth watching in the Super 15. Get a life man - it will be the embarrassment of the century to have a team of this abysmal quality competing at that level and simply to satisfy politicians. What a bunch of absolute marroons!

      Raymond - 2012-05-01 08:59

      So name the Kings team that will be participating in the Super 15.Where are these playes at the moment and if they exist,why are they not in the current EP Kings team or,are they in the process of being recruited from other franchises.PLEASE REPLY

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