Todd hails Crusaders scrum

2011-07-04 07:02

Stephen Nell

Cape Town – Crusaders coach Todd Blackadder hailed his side’s scrumming as “unbelievably awesome” after Saturday’s emphatic 29-10 Super Rugby semi-final victory over the Stormers at Newlands.

“We decided two years ago we really wanted to take pride in our set-piece and it has been constant hard work to get where we are today. I think all of the front-rowers have played their part and Dave Hewett (assistant coach) has done a great job,” said Blackadder.

The Crusaders’ pack spearheaded the victory and their dominance in the scrums reached frightening proportions. The same front-row combination – Wyatt Crockett, Corey Flynn and Own Franks – have this year also had the upper hand over the Sharks’ Springbok combination of Tendai Mtwarira, Bismarck du Plessis and Jannie du Plessis.

“Obviously the guys know that set-piece pressure is critical in these big games,” said Blackadder.

“Our lineout defence was also outstanding. We put a lot of pressure on the Stormers’ ball and it just shows in these big games how important that is. But the scrum is huge. It’s a real strength of ours.”

However, if the Crusaders of 2011 will be remembered for anything, it’s their character. They have not even been able to play a home game in Christchurch this year and indications are that the AMI Stadium is going to be written off following permanent damage inflicted by earthquakes.

Yet the whole episode has instilled a positive attitude in the Crusaders for away games and Blackadder jokingly referred to them as the “Traveling Wilburys”.

This week they hit the road for Brisbane and they will stay there for the week rather than succumb to the temptation of first flying back home.

“We will spend the week in Brisbane,” Blackadder confirmed. “The guys are excited. The reason you work so hard is to be able to get these opportunities. We know how to travel and prepare for matches like this. It won’t be a problem,” said Blackadder.

The Crusaders will be playing in their 10th final on Saturday. They have won seven titles and finished runners-up twice.

Blackadder himself was a playing legend, but he believes the current crop is “far better” than his generation.

“I don’t think we could have done what this team is capable of. This team has just managed to get on with the business week in and week out. We had the comfort of home games and these guys didn’t. There are some great leaders in this side,” he said.

Blackadder mentioned how appealing the Cape Town Stadium looked, but the Crusaders are looking for a home base in Christchurch.


  • thumper - 2011-07-04 07:38

    Well done Crusaders. You played the Stormers off the park this time. We will be back. To're an inbred loser and there is no hope for you.

      Marcell - 2011-07-04 07:44

      Yip. Check ons volgende jaar!

      Frik - 2011-07-04 11:02

      Tot is 'n YSTER!! Sterkte SAders maak die skaapliefhebbers seer!!!

  • Marcell - 2011-07-04 07:43

    Jammer, maar ek dink die AB gaan die Bokke cream in die Tri nations.

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-04 07:57


      Rob van den Heuvel - 2011-07-04 08:12

      Sorry to say, but if this has any bearing on how SA sides are gonna fair against the ABs we're in trouble. Snorre's got his work cut out for him.

      DeonL - 2011-07-04 10:05

      I won't mind if we loose a few games, as long as in the RWC we win it again.

      Frik - 2011-07-04 11:03

      @Marcell so graag soos wat ek hoop jy is verkeerd dink ek jy is baie baie naby aan reg...

  • SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-04 07:43

    The only positive to come out of this S15 from a South African perspective is: The Bok management team are suddenly wide awake - and will hopefully be working themselves into a "minor" panic. Last year, when we had 2 finalists - I reckon the ENTIRE Bok setup (coaches and players) took their foot off the gas, and expected to just pitch up at the Tri-Nations to grab the trophy. We all know how that worked out. EOYT - a better performance, but one can't compare the Poms at Twickers to the Kiwis in NZ. SO: with the S15 over for us Saffas, there is work to be done. The management and players now KNOW just how much work..... (a blessing in disguise possibly in a world cup year). Os was fired - but there is no doubt we need a scrum consultant - will they appoint one? I frikkin hope so...

      Marcell - 2011-07-04 07:55

      Wat vir my baie interessant is as ek na die vaste 5 kyk is dit dat gewig nie voordelig is nie. Die SA spanne het almal 'n gewigsvoordeel in die skrums maar dit het fietall gehelp. Wat ook moeilik is om te verstaan of wat ook 'n invoed het op hoe die skrums werk in SA is hoe die skeidsregters dit vertolk. Behalwe om te sien hoe die Stormers se skrum vernietig is, was dit gooed om te sien dat daar eindlik min strafskoppe was vir allerhande tegniese punte by die skrum. Hoekom druk Coenie, Beast, Brok, Greyling, Jannie aanhoudend op die grond? Stoot die slotte die stutte se boude boontoe in plaas van voorentoe? Ek weet nie of die bestuur die vermoens het om te verander nie. Om te verander moet jy besef daar is probleme en ek weet nie of hulle al by daai punt gekom het nie.

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-04 07:58

      Marcell, veral daai twee vetgatte in die Stormers voorry was pateties.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-04 08:08

      @Bulldozer - The Stormers props are NOT Springboks - so talking about them in terms of the Bok scrum is pointless. The Crusaders scrum has been dominant all season, and they have taken no prisoners. Nothing will change in the international season, in fact, the Kiwi pack will get STRONGER with players like Kevin M, Boric (if fit) etc coming into All Black contention.....The Saders pack hurt the Bok front row - Beast, Bissie and Jannie (yes I know the Sharks locks are lightweight which didn't help) BUT: there are a few warning signs Dozy. And the Boks fired their consultant Os. So what next?

      Marcell - 2011-07-04 08:11

      Perhaps they will get Proudfoot to assist as Rassie is there.

      Rob van den Heuvel - 2011-07-04 08:14

      @SAFFA - there may be an element of truth in what you say. Looking for silver linings, I guess the other advantage is that this year Dvi and co will have an extra week with the lads while Red and Crusaders smash the crap out of each other...

      Marx - 2011-07-04 08:29

      Saffa, the tight 5 that will play for the Boks will luckily not be the Stormers tight 5, the only winning combo to be picked will be the Bulls/Sharks combo, we don't need Os, sorry.

      Kok - 2011-07-04 08:35

      @Rob: That means nothing since the NZ teams and players are warming up now only. Your trouble is yet to come.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-04 08:38

      @Marx - please read again. Yes the Bulls and Sharks will make up the tight five, but can you honestly tell me that you are 100% confident that the Bok scrum is up to scratch? (From what you have seen in the S15 - the individuals?) Yes I know the Bok scrum is strengthened when Bakkies and Victor enter the 2nd row. BUT: The Saders scrum as it stands (which is already incredible) is ALSO going to be a heckuva lot stronger when it becomes the KIWI scrum, and a few other chaps from the Blues join it.... Do you honestly think the Boks shouldn't have ANY scrummaging concerns? None what-so-ever?

      Marx - 2011-07-04 08:58

      Saffa, I honestly think we don't have anything to be concerned about, the Bulls front row were exeptional in the S15 Comp. and the Shêks are right up there, providing Smit doesn't play. If we make the correct selections there is now need for panic. The experience we have available, with the young guys like Greyling coming through, is sufficient.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-04 09:19

      @Marx - you have already (probably without realising it) highlighted one of my main concerns. You say our scrum will be better if John isn't there. I believe that John is a BETTER scrummager than Bissie - quite a bit better, and our front row would probably be stronger with him starting.....BUT: in terms of general play - a lot IS sacrificed by starting John......that is already one of my concerns re: our scrum and getting the balance right. John starts as captain, and for his scrummaging - but that helps little in all other aspects of play....And the image of of Jannie, Beast and Bissie being manhandled won't leave my mind either (even when I add Victor, Bakkies, Juan Smith, Schalk and Pierre) All I am saying is, Gary Gold is the forwards coach - he is NO scrum expert - klaar. What harm would it do to have Balie Swart (in lieu of Os then) come in for a series of sessions?

      Rob van den Heuvel - 2011-07-04 10:14

      @Kok, I fear you may be right. SA Rugby received a huge wake up call on Saturday. Let's just hope we can fix it sooner rather than later...

      Rob van den Heuvel - 2011-07-04 10:15

      @SAFFA - Saders tight 5 look great, now add the likes of Ali Williams from the Blues into the mix, ouch!

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-04 10:34

      @Rob - EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Which is why I can not understand why some people seem to be so unconcerned about the Bok scrum - I know I am a little 'worried'.

  • Crusaderinvader - 2011-07-04 07:48

    Blackadder is an inspiration and a crusaders wonder he is able to get the boys up for these tough must win games..remember the first 3 titles the crusaders won?..all away from home in Auckland,Canberra and Dunedin and the team was led by Blackadder..modest to a fault!!

      So What? - 2011-07-04 10:05

      I tend to agree - he has a calm and yet dominant way of motivating. I would just like to see how the Crusaders adapt now that they have to fly from west to east in the time zones. The Americans have known it for a long thime that teams which fly east to west are not affected as much as those teams flying west to east - and this is in all their sports, not just American football. Our SA teams always face the west to east bogy when flying to Aussie and NZ. But well done Cursaders, you are a well drilled and motivated team.

  • Bulldozer - 2011-07-04 07:56

    It was like taking candy from a baby.

      Marcell - 2011-07-04 08:02

      Baba met 'n seer duim!

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-04 08:13

      Colic baba.

      Rob van den Heuvel - 2011-07-04 08:20

      Going into this game I thought WP might have a chance but alas they came up against a determined Crusaders outfit. I just hope Div and co can pull this lot together, time will tell. Well done to Todd and the lads, you deserve your place in the final.

  • Raka13 - 2011-07-04 07:58

    The Crusader team is pure class!! They've beaten us like champions and well deserved.

      Marcell - 2011-07-04 08:02

      We told you so! :)

      Kok - 2011-07-04 08:45

      We told you before.

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-04 08:50

      Marcell & Kok, ons sê elke jaar vir hulle maar neeeee, ore is min.

  • JJRR - 2011-07-04 08:00

    Well Done SADERS!!!!!

      Marcell - 2011-07-04 08:12

      Eish, dit was lekker om daai klomp te sien rond hardloop soos hoenders wat nie koppe op het nie.

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-04 08:51

      Marcell, ek het laas met Sonny Bill en Sunny Bill se geboortes so lekker gekry.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-04 09:20

      Ja LLoyd - did you see the message I left for you? lol. I take it your new persona may now be revealed? You had me going for a few days......

  • navarac - 2011-07-04 08:04

    @Balsakhater - The Crusaders were awesome and the Stormers didn't even have a plan A. Fair enough. However, if the Stormers were so atrocious on Saturday (and, according to you, have been the whole season) and they still finished on top of the South African log, how pathetic must the other SA sides have been? I sincerely hope that not only the Stormers coaching staff have taken the lesson to heart but also the coaching staffs of the Bulls, Sharks, Cheetahs and Lions. Maybe then we'll have chance in the World Cup.

      Rob van den Heuvel - 2011-07-04 08:21

      Agreed - all of SA rugby needs to catch a wake up, big time!

  • kiwi - 2011-07-04 08:18


      Marx - 2011-07-04 08:36

      I love it when folks start counting the chickens, you seem to forget, this time the Boks have more time to prepare, you're in for a surprise !!

  • Steven Hill - 2011-07-04 08:26

    Owen Nkumane stated before the game that when it got tough , the Stormers front row would have the edge. I missed the first 10 mins cos I was laughing so much ...

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-04 08:52

      I missed the last 75 minutes because of all the laughing.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-04 09:09

      @Lloyd - you had me for a while.......well done.

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-04 09:42

      SAFFA, I never tried to hide my identity. I just couldn't stay away.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-04 09:58

      You missed us 2 much. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh dis so cute :)

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-04 09:59

      Yeah, you know it.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-04 10:40

      Ek gee jou sommer a cyber hug Lloyd - hahahahahah. Jy moet vir Mr Poppers Penguins gaan kyk!

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-04 12:57

      Dit behoort oor 15 jaar op Etv te wees.

  • Watcher - 2011-07-04 08:27

    First off - well Crusaders. On the day you had the better team and tactics. I was very disappointed in the Stormers. When I looked at their forward unit they did not seem to be able to adapt their play to counteract the Crusaders. When you see 4 or 5 crusaders forwards at a loose maul and 2 Stormers backline players then in principle it is wrong and you then end up with forwards having to tackle back line players, what a pleasure for the Crusaders. By the same token the Crusaders were very flat in defence. Surely someone in the back line had just a liitle bit of savvy to try the odd chip kick over the top. With all his faults and foibles Ricky Januarie would have probably have done that. There was no spark or initiative in their play at all. Much as I would have loved an SA team to be in the finals on the day the better team won.

  • Kok - 2011-07-04 08:28

    And awesome they are!!!! I told you buggers that the stompies are in for a hiding, but your big mouths are always more "intelligent" than your brains. I await your congratulations.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-04 08:39

      I congratulated you yesterday on another thread.

      Kok - 2011-07-04 09:07

      Thank you Saffa-cat

      Frik - 2011-07-04 11:08

      Baie geluk met jou YSTER SAders!!! Hoop hulle slag die skaapliefhebers!!!

      Crusader Man - 2011-07-04 11:47

      @KOK Was confident in the Crusaders being able to win this game but i won't stoop as low to make loud mouth statements like some supporters do.. Really the Stormers / Bulls bashing by arrogant supporters just shows poor sportsmanship... Use to make my blood boil with arrogant supportrs who know nothing about the game... @ Saffa good to see you making good comments again. I think the AB's have been pushing the Boks in the scrums for a few years now,, And franks is still only in his early 20's.. I think DIV is extremely worried which is y he had his hands over his eyes before the end of the game on Sat. He must be feeling quite sick about what he saw. Scary thing is did you see any of the saders after the match ? they could have played another 80 min.. The last 2 games against your top 2 sides they have looked as tho they have plenty left in the tank.. They must be super fit ?

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-04 12:48

      @Crusaderman - lol - I promise you I am only negative and bitchy when I throw huffy fits (and defend my team) - I am a female and we are entitled to do this - it's a natural law of the universe. When the Saders ran out of that tunnel at half time, I said to my brother that they would start "shutting down" to conserve energy - and they did just that. Such was their confidence in defending their lead (even at that stage), they just did what was necessary.....nothing more, nothing less. You guys probably didn't it on the telly coverage - but Richie walked over to his front row at one stage, and I am certain he was saying to them - step it up in the scrums, so that we can 'cruise' the last 30 mins. They conserved so much energy it was SCARY to watch (they are superfit, and I reckon their bodies have just adapted over the last 5/6months to all the travel/uncertainty etc, their bodies now have muscle memory for TRAVEL - there is a research paper in this I reckon) Behind it all though, I reckon they are still being driven, by what has been driving them the whole season - the tragedy in ChCh. You can see it in their eyes.

      Kok - 2011-07-04 13:14

      O ja Saffa-cat: Ek is jammer dat ek verlede week so onder jou ingeklim het. Ek voel dit was onnodig en ongevoelig. Ek wou net my punt maak, maar besef dat jy kan nie jou punt maak deur mense te beledig nie. Verskoning.

  • xander bronkhorst - 2011-07-04 08:29

    Stormers got a big problem in the front row, the props suck ass. Even the Lions props are better, and thats not saying a lot. hahahahahaha...... I am a lions fan!!!!!! They though having weight will count for them, well the 2 "vet gatte" did nothing. Fat does not count for anything. Better choke next time...... o sorry I meant luck! hahahahahahahahaha

  • Kok - 2011-07-04 08:44

    @Saffa-cat: Kan ek enige verslaggewing van jou kant af kry oor hoe die Cape Crusaders fans hulle hierdie keer gedra het asb. Ek moet sê dat ek het self hierdie naweek die walglikheid van stormers fans ervaar. Ek het mos 'n volle Crusaders outfit aangehad - Crusaders T-hemp, cappie en vlag. Ek was lelik beledig, gevloek, verneder en die slagoffer van reuse haatsprake. My vriende kan getuig daarvan - hulle het net so deurgeloop. Ons was amper aangerand in die toilet daar wat ons gebraai het. Maar Alister Coetzee leer my een iets en dit is: I take this one on the chin and move on. Nee wat, ek jou laasweek heel week gesê dat julle ondersteuners die haters en barbare is, maar jy wil my mos nie glo nie. Al wat ek hulle gesê het" " Lag maar en vloek maar, maar ek lag vanaand 19h00. Wag vir my hier op die rugbyveld (hoërskool). Na die wedstryd toe ek op die rygbyveld kom, was hulle skoonveld. Ekt so lus gehad vir hulle.

      Maori - 2011-07-04 08:59

      Victory is sweet. So sweet. Dis stroopsoet man. Where is my friend, JK?

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-04 09:00

      @Kok - I didn't see any trouble 'personally' this time round so I can't comment (the only reason I commented about the LAST time - is because I was personally affected by some of the unsavoury incidents). It was NOT like last time at all, and to be honest, there were fewer Sader fans there this time as well. I didn't see any troubles on the stands except for some dude being spoken to by security on the Railway stand. We left the stadium about 2 hours after the game - so there really were VERY few people left outside by the time we left. There was no stampeding etc before the game - as that section of the road was cordoned off - as I told you it would be earlier last week. So none of that nonsense was repeated. I saw many drunk and trashed Stormer fans, but most of them were swearing and moaning about the performance of the team - NOT the Sader fans.

      Kok - 2011-07-04 09:12

      Ok. We spoke to our people on facebook and supporters forum and ask them to behave and show the people and media we are good people. This incidents what I'm referring to happened before the match on the field where we were braaiing. It was really disgusting. I understand these people frustration with us, but they were totally besides themselves in their pursuade to insult us.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-04 10:03

      @Kok - I reckon you should treat those folk in the manner they deserve - if folk look for trouble at stadiums (regardless of who they are and who they support) they should take whatever trouble gets thrown back at them - end of. I just get upset when 'older' persons are disrespected/manhandles etc by younger hooligans - dit maak my woedend, en moet nie vir 'n oomblik dink ek het nog nie met ondersteuners van my eie span vasgesit oor hulle gedrag of die manier hoe hulle ouer mense hanteer en disrespect ens.

      Frik - 2011-07-04 11:10

      Nee kok dis net ons bulls ondersteuners wat mos so kan optree... As 'n Suid-Afrikaner vra ek jou onverskoning vir die swak gedarg en nooi jou om saam Loftus toe te kom volgende jaar vir 'n ware puik ondervinding...

      Kok - 2011-07-04 13:13

      O ja Saffa-cat: Ek is jammer dat ek verlede week so onder jou ingeklim het. Ek voel dit was onnodig en ongevoelig. Ek wou net my punt maak, maar besef dat jy kan nie jou punt maak deur mense te beledig nie. Verskoning.

      jk - 2011-07-04 13:22

      maori, im here, but gonna dissapear untill c\cup. your team played nery well, no excuses

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-04 15:04

      @Kok - baie dankie, ek het jou geantwoord op 'm ander thread - ek het dit daar ook gesien. :) No hassles, all is fair in love and war - en ons raak almal kens in die kop oor ons rugby - nothing wrong with that - it's passion :) Baie dankie en dieselfde vir jou! Ek is definitief nie onskuldig.

  • silverflash - 2011-07-04 08:51

    As a neutral observer , there was only gna be one winner , Go Crusaders best rugby team in the world !!!!

  • Chilli Boy - 2011-07-04 08:56

    I have watched all but one of the Stormers games at Newlands.In all the games I have been amazed at the amount of time the forwards have spent in the backline.On one occasion on Saturday,other than for Louw and Schalk,the entire pack was spread out in the backline.The Crusaders pack of 8 taking on two.Harris has taken more ball at fly-half this year than Grant.Becker has taken more ball on the right wing than Aplon.If Rassie is responsible for these tactics and is going to use the same tactics with the Boks,then heaven help us.The Stormers didn't change their tactics during the game either - they used the same kick off to the blind side every time.It might surprise teams first off,but not for the next eight times they kicked off.The Crusaders placed Kieran Reid there,and very few other players around him,and he stood like a collosus.Tactical unawareness,shocking performance from the forwards,who played like individuals not a pack,and nobody has commented on the time the half backs took in distributing the ball.Schreuder was slow,Grant was at half pace,which meant that the centres were stifled.Watch the game again,the problem was the forwards who thought that they were backs,and the half backs who were half asleep.It's a simple game and the Crusaders knew how to play it.On that performance you wonder how the Stormers got that far.And remember,they lost to the Reds,Bulls and Crusaders at fortress Newlands.It's not all lost,but the tactical naivety has surely got to be addressed

      Rob van den Heuvel - 2011-07-04 10:25

      Let's just hope Snorr picked up on this....

      Mikea - 2011-07-04 13:31

      Agreed. Schalk just seems to be running around like a headless chicken while all the other forwards are in the backline. For me De Villiers is like John Smit. Seen better days. But you know what they are all going to the WC regardless, because Snorr doesn't really have any another plan. Grant is also no match winner and as for the two Props, take early retirement. I can't undersand why De jong isn;t playing either.

      Manus - 2011-07-04 21:18

      Rassie doen die ontledings. Hy bepaal nie die taktiek nie.

  • wolverine - 2011-07-04 09:07


      Bulldozer - 2011-07-04 09:43

      10 Years no cups.

      Rob van den Heuvel - 2011-07-04 10:25

      Take a step back, this is not about WP or Bulls - SA rugby needs a big wake up!

      Frik - 2011-07-04 11:23

      SAders beat Stoffers twice this year... At Dieweland... Bulls&Sharks lost away...

  • MaestroX - 2011-07-04 09:14

    Well done Crusaders, awesome performance, If our coaches cannot see now for the 10th year in a row that we need two proper props then I give up. We also need a proper lock, as much as Elstadt tries and you can't fault him on guts and determination, he isn't a lock. He never gets thrown to in the line out, and I have never seen him win an opposition ball ever. One last weakness horribly exposed on Sat was Jantjies, he must have serious delusion of strength now that he has put on a massive 1 kg in the gym, he loves nothing more than to catch the high balls and try run through players, So please, SOS for 2 new props, a big lock to go with Bekker and one new full back, or move Aplon to FB. As for the rest of the Stormers, I think they gave it their all and can hold their heads high. They have had a tremendous year. However if you want to win the cup, you need to be ruthful and make the changes that will get you over that final hurdle. As for Kok and his merry band, as for you copping flack for supporting the Crusaders, my heart beats lumpy custard mate, personally I hope it never ends and I truly hope you one day see the light and decide to support your country, until then I wish you a torrid time every time you stick the Crusaders and particularly the AB jersey on!! You’re a traitor and I feel nothing for you and your loser friends. GO STORMERS!!! GO BOKS!!!

      Maori - 2011-07-04 09:18

      Shame on you. You are like your team, a loser!

      Grey B - 2011-07-04 09:27

      Well Said MeastroX. I totally agree with you! Proper front row, proper lock and proper Full back. Jantjes is K@k, said it the whole seaons. But take nothing away from the Saders, they where brilliant and we lloked like a scholl team against them. Hopefully we can learn a lot from them for the coming Tri nations and World cup. Also agree with you on those traters, Kok, Maori & Co. Thay are low life, second class citizens and have an opinion with no positive input what so ever!

      Kok - 2011-07-04 09:56

      MaestroX: I will never support losers. Forget about me changing. Go Crusaders!!! Go All Blacks!!! And i am prepared to take these insults like a man. Idiot!!!!!

      Rob van den Heuvel - 2011-07-04 10:29

      @Kok - when last did the ABs win RWC, 1987!

      Crusader Man - 2011-07-04 12:00

      @MaaestroX I understand what you are saying about supporters supporting SA etc... I am in Christchurch so will always support the Saders and NZ ... Are you sure that KOK etc are not NZer's living in SA... Yes a true rugby fan should only support their national team and i would never change my support for NZ doesn't matter where i live.. My best m8 livs in OZ for last 20 years and he always supports NZ period.. Would be keen to find out why these guys support NZ if they are SA born ? i no that the NZ teams spend quite a bit of time with your darker skinned people in poorer areas.. Maybe thats why ?

      Kok - 2011-07-04 13:15

      @Rob: When last did the stormers win a superrugby title?

      Kok - 2011-07-04 13:17

      Crusader man: You sound like a typical South African. We are tired of this stupid questions on why we support NZ teams. It's tradition here in Cape Town to support NZ teams. Reasons are not important anymore.

      MaestroX - 2011-07-04 13:39

      Maori and Kok, I wasn’t one of the guys who said the Stormers would smash and beat the Crusaders. As big a fan as I am of the Stormers I knew this was a bridge too far, I was hopeful but knew the Crusaders would more than likely win and win they did, with ease. I was very pleased to see the attitude between the Crusaders fans and the Stormers was much better and I am thankful for it. I certainly do not condone any violence and enjoy genuine banter and clever chirps. Kok you say you don’t back losers so exactly what are the AB’s when it comes to World cups? How many times have the Crusaders lost in the super series? I have no intention to change you into a Stormers or any other team fan for that matter, you stick with your team, just wish you and your merry halfwits would leave SA. @Crusader man, well done mate, your team were phenomenal and have been the whole year!! As for Kok and Maori, they are certainly not New Zealanders, just locals from Mitchells Plain who think it’s cool to support other teams over their own because of a long history of apartheid. Clearly they haven’t woken from the black haze yet. If anyone today should change allegiance it should be the whites, how many top players of colour get left out of international and national sides for white players? Very few if any, heck if there is a player of colour who is worthy of any team he is guaranteed a place, however how many good white players today get left out because of quotas? Makes you think!!

      Kok - 2011-07-04 13:58

      MaestroX: There you go again. Classify people. I am not from mitchells plain, neither is maori. I also live in formerly white area. So, don't come and label me. And your reason of apartheid is lame. It started there, but is no reason anymore. I just love the Crusaders and All Blacks and will support them, even above of my so-called home team. You are just naar, becoz we don't support with you the stormers. We don't want to. We are not going to. GET THE MESSAGE AND MOVE ON.

      Grey B - 2011-07-04 14:38

      @ Kok "reasons are not important anymore" What are you smoking. Everything you do needs to have a reason, otherwise why are you living? I really dont understand your thinking.

      MaestroX - 2011-07-04 15:02

      Whatever Kok, when the reason was apartheid I could understand it, although you now claim that was lame too, make up your mind. You have a chip the size of table mountain on your shoulder and the only way you think you can come to terms with it is by choosing a team you know will win 90% of their games so you can fool yourself into believing you are better. Anyhow one thing I do agree with you about is, let’s get over this debate now. You continue to support your chosen team. Be sure also to choose Spain for Soccer, AB for rugby (despite their dismal WC record), America for the Olympics, and India for cricket, etc etc etc you get my point!

      Grey B - 2011-07-04 15:16

      Kok & Maori, Really guys, if what you are saying on these blogs are your honest feelings, then we really need you guys to some sort of forum, where we can discuss your issues. You might have valid points. I am really concerned that it has become "tradition" to support another country other than your own, without the reasons being important. As a proud Bok & Stormers fan I urge you to please lay your concerns somewhere and talk about this issue, for the sole reason of feeling belonged to one's country.

      Kok - 2011-07-04 15:28

      MaestroX: I don't know which part of my previous comment you don;t understand. I said: We might have started to support the NZ teams becoz of apartheid, but that's not the primary reason anymore. Why are there so a lot of youngsters supporting the ABs?? they werre born post-apartheid. I have no chip on my shoulder, just a little bit of muscles. And btw, I am a huge Indian Cricket fan from when I was six years old. Cricket was my sport when I was a laitie. My favourite players were Indians - Tendulkar, Srinath, Kumble, Azzarahdin, Jadeja, Kepil Dev, Prassad, etc. And I was a huge Indian fan in the recent WC. And I do support Bafana and Ajax CT before i support overseas teams. I am also a Arsenal and Brazil fan. I hope we can have hero's like Tovey, Fish, Bartlett, Tinkler, Benni, Shoes, Doc, Mark Williams, etc.again. Sounds confusing, but it's ok.

      Grey B - 2011-07-04 15:38

      Kok, Yes it sound confusing. I admire the Crusaders, but support the Stormers (even though they where K@k). I admire the Indian cricket team, I support Proteas(even though they choked in the WC). I admire Brazil, Portugal, etc football, but I support Bafana (even though we have to host a WC to be in it). You get it. A Team MUST mean more to you than their performance and skills. That is what classify you as a person.

      Kok - 2011-07-04 15:58

      Grey B: I support my preferred teams thru thick and thin. In good times and bad times. Win or Loose.

      Grey B - 2011-07-04 16:06

      Good Kok, support your preferred teams. I just dont understand why you would support them in this forum. A South African website? Surely if you are a die hard Crusaders fan you would comment on NZ website, if you are an Indian fan on Indian websites, if you are a Arsenal supporter an english website. Not so? Surely you would expect some harsh words. Is this the reason you are here? And please dont give me "its my rights to comment wherever I want". Could it be you are a faker and just here for entertainment?

      Kok - 2011-07-04 16:29

      No. I'm real bru. I do comment on the other forums of my teams on web and on facebook, but not so much as those forums are not half so exciting as this one. And you don't debate with your fellow mates, but with your opposition.

      Grey B - 2011-07-05 08:45

      Good Kok, you go support your teams. I'll be Patriotic and support mine. I give up, just a waste trying to understand you lot. Will never. Dont worry, wont harrass you any more. Happy hunting!

  • Samuisun - 2011-07-04 09:39

    After all the hype of how the Stormers were going to beat the Crusaders their performance really reeked of a wet fart.... They were beaten by an excellent team effort but I was astonished by how "panicked" the Stormers became....Their pack was annihilated by a Crusaders pack that weighed 50kg (or about 6 kilo's per man) less...? Excellent technique and commitment by the Crusaders. The fact that the two props are not Springboks is irrelevant...look at what the Cheetahs achieved the very same Crusaders team a short while ago....and that is where the experienced input of someone like Os Du Randt becomes a factor... Well done to the Crusaders! And to the Stormers....don't skin the bear before you have shot it...or shall I rather say - don't sell the wine before you have harvested the grapes...after all the years and especially the last three finals they played in...still no hardware...

  • Chuck Norris - 2011-07-04 09:46

    I take it the admin is a stormer? Let me try again: There are 14 losers in this competition, no matter where you ended on the log, you're still one of those 14 losers. To loose like that on home soil in a home semi is not called "choking", it's called pathetic...

  • - 2011-07-04 12:05

    Well done to a great side, but this does not matter to much as it looks like the Kwis are peaking ahead of time again, good news for SA and rest of world for world cup.

  • Gibbonater - 2011-07-04 12:40

    It all starts upfront. There is no mercy or political corectness in the scrum. I believe that the Crusaders pack was so strong they could have asked their backs to knock the ball on on purpose and got away with it.

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