Stormers’ morbid hangover

2012-07-29 16:52

Cape Town - There are happy hangovers and there are gloomy hangovers ... expect many of the Stormers’ players and management to have woken up on Sunday very much nursing the latter.

A deeply sombre mood had already set in within minutes of their gut-wrenching Super Rugby home semi-final defeat to domestic rivals the Sharks on Saturday night; it was etched all over the faces - with tears seemingly not far away - of coach Allister Coetzee and captain Jean de Villiers at the post-match press conference.

As well as being fine rugby men (it would be most unfair to suggest anything but, wouldn’t it?), both are normally radiant, wise-cracking souls at these briefings.

So Saturday’s occasion stood out like the proverbial sore thumb: ashen-faced Springbok skipper De Villiers looked especially distraught and even spoke unjustifiably, considering his excellent early leadership of his country, of “starting to doubt myself, and my captaincy”.

If splitting a Currie Cup, after all, was famously described by Morne du Plessis in 1979 as “like kissing your sister”, then winning the South African Super Rugby conference for two years on the trot yet failing to land the really relevant prize must be like being tasked with dancing all night at the ball with your mother in law.

Mind you, considering that they have not even claimed so much as a share of the Currie Cup in the 11 years since 2001, even that would be deemed a more satisfactory outcome by many - though there seems more than a hint of sadism in the fact that their domestic programme starts against the very Sharks, also at Newlands, in less than a fortnight.

So if they’re going to pick up the pieces from another failed first-class campaign, the old headache powder is going to have to start working pretty fast.

Deep down the Stormers will know, for all the stubborn and not completely unmerited talk of “strides toward trophies”, that 2012 represented a particularly glorious opportunity to win the Super Rugby crown.

Let’s face it, potential rights to a home final by topping the overall log don’t happen every day - who knows, the Stormers may actually play better in this tough competition in 2013, yet not end up quite as loftily placed after ordinary season.

It is the way the cookie can crumble in sport.

The dignity of Coetzee and De Villiers was first-rate: before dissecting the latest, unpalatable failure to negotiate a key hurdle they made a very conscious point of lauding the Sharks for their hugely gutsy 26-19 triumph.

Just as exemplary was the way shattered Stormers personnel dutifully stuck to their on-field autograph commitments to young fans as the dust settled on a battle royale.

It just couldn’t quite disguise the fact that the nice guys had effectively come second once more.

“I’ve never seen players so cut up in a changing room,” Coetzee admitted, his own voice faltering just a little as he said it. “But that’s life’s lessons. You can give up or (fight back).

“I’d still like to take the emotion out of it by saying we are one of three sides who have improved this season, and haven’t regressed - us, and (now-confirmed 2012 finalists) the Chiefs and Sharks. For the Stormers to have made that step in a positive direction, I am still pleased with the season.”

He did admit, when the inevitable question related to the team’s generally try-shy characteristic came up: “We have to learn, and move on, and become a bit more clinical with ball in hand, and have the patience ... I accept that.

“Remember that in last year’s semi against the Crusaders we basically gave up ... perhaps not gave up, but were certainly over-powered. There wasn’t even a chance to come back - tonight we had a say right to the final whistle, and for that reason I am still flipping proud to be coach of this side.

“If it takes another four seasons, I will never stop fighting ... we are going to win that cup.”

Coetzee promised there would a thorough review of the latest disappointment.

“In two days’ time, when we have our wash-out, we will see: where do we really need to (look)? Is it a personnel thing? What is the way forward for this Stormers side?

“I would like to ask some fans, though: what do they think of some sides who only win three games in this competition? But I understand our standards are very high in Cape Town and respect that. It is my duty and responsibility to see that we get it right.” 

De Villiers described the result as “a tough one to swallow”, adding: “Could we have prepared better? No. Did we have the right attitude on the field? Yes. Was the commitment there? Yes.

“It probably came down to us not using those opportunities we did create. It’ll take a while to get over, but we have to give credit to the Sharks.

“We went through some dark places this season and came out on top, so for that I’m very proud to be part of this team. It’s a pity about tonight, though.”

And so, no doubt, say many of the Stormers’ swollen, long-suffering fan base ...

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  • Taurus.Blue1 - 2012-07-29 17:00

    No pity party from my side, you made your bed now go away... It was more a case of poor refereeing that see you bunch on top of the log than skill. Fortunately the Sharks put you out of your misery. I've had it with all these stupid Stormer articles - time to move on Stormers24

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-07-29 17:02

      It couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch.

      press.enter.12 - 2012-07-29 17:17

      And really supporters should stick with this nice bunch - then next year it wouldnt be nearly half as bad when it happens again . . .

      chaplinncharlie - 2012-07-29 17:29

      ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha STOKERS.... Cup-less again... Lol..

      mike.barmby - 2012-07-29 17:42

      As a Stormer supporter and avid watcher of rugby, I really thought it was a fascinating encounter. I thought that Craig Joubert looked really cool with that tattoo on his arm. Is it me or does he seem to have an Australian accent? It was so weird. He was very in favour of my Stormers and really let a lot slide and did not penalise them. I felt Tandai Mvovorira had an excellent game. Bismarck and Jonny Du Plessis were very strong in the second row and I thought the big difference came at scrum half with Charl McCloud and the Argentinian international, I forgot his name, but he was much better than Peter Grant who seemed to be strong under the high ball ball. I don't think they pumped the balls up enough because his kicks did not go very far. He must surely be the shoe in Springbok fly half because the Argentinian playing for the Sharks is not eligible even though he is better. Habana at centre and De Jongh and Andre Bekker on the wings just did not work. I really thought De Jongh would get the record for playoff tries but in the end I was left disappointed. I thought Andries Bekker was a lock but they must have fancied him on the wing for yesterday but they forgot to give him the number 14 jersey. I think that was an error in judgement by Pieter De Villiers. Dean Fourie should think about trying out for hooker because his favoured position of 8th man is keeping other players out of the position who are better at it. Oh well I am thinking about supporting a new team.

      om.nom.nom.01 - 2012-07-29 18:00

      When is Isak going to creep out of his hole and take his hiding like a man?

      charlesdumbwin.dumbwin - 2012-07-29 18:06

      @om.nom - I was wondering about the exact same thing. I think Isak Visser is still recovering from his dronk verdriet. ISAK, YOUR USELESS TEAM IS CUPLESS AGAIN!!!! BAWAHAHAHAHA iiiiiiiissssssaaaaaaaaaakkkkkkkk, where aaaaaarrrrrrrreeeeeeeee yooooooooooooou ???

      charlesdumbwin.dumbwin - 2012-07-29 18:08

      LOL!!! I remember the demented Isak Visser carrying on about how the 'Stormers are my life!!!' BAWAHAHAHAHA Now they are dead!!!

      staal.burgher - 2012-07-29 18:14

      Backline is too small and Duvenhage while good makes an already mediocre backline struggle even more.

      andre.vandeventer.16 - 2012-07-29 18:34

      Right. Ask any Stormer supporter how to put a champagne bottle cork back in the bottle today and he will be able to tell you!

      jacques.l.roux.3 - 2012-07-29 19:20

      So what are our comment terms and conditions? When moderating, we try not to edit or remove too many comments, however we do try to maintain certain standards with each article. We rarely if ever edit individual comments for spelling and grammar - with thousands of comments coming in to each month, we just don't have the time - but we can and may delete comments based on the following basic criteria: - The relevance of the comment to the topic - The extent to which other users will understand what has been said - The extent of swear words, the degree of insulting language and severity of the tone of the comment towards either a group of people or an individual - News24 Users who abuse the comments facility by posting under existing aliases or who post simply to incite arguments on the board - Duplication of comments Most importantly, racist, sexist, offensive and abusive comments will not be tolerated. This policy is just as useless as the Stormers!

      sean.lambie.3 - 2012-07-29 19:27

      Where are all these loud mouth stormers supporters now ?? I`ve been hearing for the last 10 years , ``hierdie is ons jaar`` LOL ! Allistair Coetze should also maybe talk less and achieve more. Stormers supporters will never learn , they will keep counting their chickens before they hatch !! Well done Sharks !!

      sean.lambie.3 - 2012-07-29 19:29

      @Taurus.Blue1 - 100% Spot On - They had a minimum of 5 wins , thanks to the ref and THAT IS A FACT !!

      pete.oosthuizen.7 - 2012-07-29 19:34

      The relevance of the comment to the topic - really? I don't think so

      harry.strandloper.7 - 2012-07-30 09:08

      mike barmby - Hallooooo ref was Steve Welsh buddy - hence the accent

      jono.qmann - 2012-07-30 10:30

      Allot of love coming from the Bulls supporters since they didnt even reach the semi's! achieved nothing in the super 15 this year!

      betsy.dorris - 2012-07-30 18:27

      In true South African spirit we save the best rugby for when we have to knock each other out of tournaments. Save it for the final guys.

  • willem.pelser.9 - 2012-07-29 17:01


      shooshyu.tu - 2012-07-29 18:29

      Sharks 3 SR finals still no cups, so who are the chokers?

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-07-29 18:38

      The Sharks invented choking and the Stormers perfected it.

      john.edwards.733450 - 2012-07-29 18:54

      well one of those they were robbed so that doesn't count as a choke

      sean.lambie.3 - 2012-07-29 22:01

      Plaese can someone help me , I can`t wipe the smile off my face !!!! LOL !! (Already slapped myself )

      raymond.romans.5 - 2012-07-30 07:38

      Did anybody see that fat with the red hair take McLeod out without the ball? Forearm against the neck. Dirty b.stard.

      jan.scheepers.927 - 2012-07-30 08:23

      What a great Stormers team without a great flyhalf. Like Heyneke Meyer, Alister Coetzee must still learn the value of a great flyhalf. What a waste, a season in vain because the wisdom was not added on top of so much effort!

      Stormkaap - 2012-07-30 10:08

      Jan I cant agree more with you.. there were some good individual performances but as a team they didnt gel. Anyone who says Grant is Bok material should suck their big toe . Duvenage as i have always said is a journeyman scrummie. What AC needs to understand is that we cant continue do play the same way and expect different results. On the list of players we need is a; - scrummie or play Screuder as first choice - proper flyhalf- or give Burton a chance to play - and a tight head that can scrum first -and do the rest 2ndly and a quality hooker.

      JaredVN - 2012-07-30 10:16

      I am personally waiting for those loud-mouted Papsak-supporters to tell us where Heyneke Meyer went wrong by including more Sharks and Bulls in the Bokke than Stompies. Where were those Papsak "stars" on Saturday night and for the past 11 years? All I hear is the sound of choking from the worst crowd in SA, the tik-befuddled Papsakke at Newlands, those who boo any opposing team (except when they root for the Crusaders) Oh, the sadistic pleasure in hearing that grossly ill-mannered crowd silenced was truly something to savour....

      Stormkaap - 2012-07-30 13:05

      Jared, and in your opinion what Bulls players that were omitted from the Bok squad should be in there. In fact based on the Bulls last performance not one bulls player ahpuld be in that squad. They capitulated.. period. As for the stormers they still made the semi's and the Bulls basically sneaked in at the back door for the playoffs. And I would also say that those people who are calling for Grant to be the flyhalf for the 4N's, are smoking some serious socks! Stormers need to cover three positions, scrumhalf, flyhalf, tighthead(and u can keep kruger) and a coach who needs to reflect on his gameplan. We also have to look at the hooker position.

      john.edwards.733450 - 2012-07-30 18:39

      Stormkaap the bulls played the crusaders at home 3 days after getting to NZ.. do you think your team would have done any better ,or any team outside maybe the Sharks & Chiefs on current form ?.... magic 8-ball says F NO!! Also Stormers had at least 4 games handed to them by the ref and many more where they only won on the scoreboard + they didn't have to play the Chiefs .. you were LUCKY to make it to the home semi we all watched and KNEW that they had no hope in hell of lifting the cup . The bulls were looking very good in the early season and things went pear shaped after their management team got sucked up into the SBs.. They're nowhere near the sharks in the 2nd half of the season but they're better than the zztomerzz that's for sure and their pack had the better of you in the first game and *totally* dominated you in the second and as for the backs .. no contest the bulls can score tries so yes they deserve to be there over the stormers for sure because you only won those games on the scoreboard and that doesn't count for much when you're selecting players.

  • harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-07-29 17:03

    How not to greet a Stormers supporter today: Haai

      willem.pelser.9 - 2012-07-29 17:06

      Ha ha ha ha brilliant

      Taurus.Blue1 - 2012-07-29 17:07

      @harold, LoL

      hans.himmler.7 - 2012-07-29 17:13


      chaplinncharlie - 2012-07-29 17:40

      Hans i heard the Chocci's got hurt there in the Cape last-night....

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-29 17:44

      yiss i dont get it hey

      blou.johnny - 2012-07-29 22:42

      ..Haai Alister.! .....bye-bye Alister.!

      Stormkaap - 2012-07-30 10:10

      Ag plod and cronies all of you wanted the Stormers to lose.. i can llive with that. What you okes cant live with is that you failed(Bulls) and cant get over it

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-30 16:08

      what i cant get over is the silenced newlands faithful. oh the joy

  • Jacques - 2012-07-29 17:03

    Jean De Villiers- what a man. I'm not a Stormer at all but you've got to admire him. Don't give up, bro, you're still our Bok captain! Yeah sure we take the piss at one another but don't doubt yourself! #legend

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-29 17:46

      dont admire him at all, captain porcelain and over the hill loser slash choker

      Flemjob - 2012-07-29 17:51

      I think he's the main problem in the team. He pretty much lost us the game. His crashball style of rugby doesn't score tries. Tries win matches. How many times did he actually pass the ball? Twice I think. Once led to a try. Habana is just as useless. Some say he looks hungry, I say he looks desperate. That backline has been playing this way since JdV came back. Its pathetic. WP/Stormers should be playing running rugby. The Sharks did and they scored the points.

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-29 17:54

      and that one pass was forward

      niel.walt - 2012-07-29 18:01

      Bok centers, frans steyn 12, jp pietersen at 13. Size, skill, speed, defense all covered

      niel.walt - 2012-07-29 18:02

      Bok centers, frans steyn 12, jp pietersen at 13. Size, skill, speed, defense all covered. Jdv won't play in the next wc so no use carrying on with him now

      TravieGrif - 2012-07-29 22:00

      As a Shark fan I support JdV. He is our Bok captain and there is no-one else putting their leadership hand up. He puts his body on the line in a big way. I think with a strong Frans Steyn inside him he will show his class.

      blou.johnny - 2012-07-29 22:40

      ...Pierre Spies our next Bok captain...

      Stormkaap - 2012-07-30 10:11

      Just as Toon Turd dont admire JDV I dont care aabout your comments.. Valueless and useless

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-30 16:10

      but u took the time to reply. thanks bud. chokers. losers. stormers its a lekker deng its a choker deng

  • jack.oosthuysen - 2012-07-29 17:04

    I feel for the team and its supporters. Really, even ol Isak wherever he is drowning his sorrows.

      Taurus.Blue1 - 2012-07-29 17:11

      I don't, they are the pits (the ones on the forums anyway). If the Stormers had played a better brand of rugby, I would have felt something for the players, but you have no idea how happy I am the Sharks taught them a lesson. Habana sobbing like a baby, shame :):):)

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-29 17:46

      i feel nothing only pure unbridled joy that they have been shown up

      om.nom.nom.01 - 2012-07-29 18:05

      tom... You just wanted to stick it to Mr. Potato Head (like the rest of us) who, wonder of wonders is conveniently M.I.A.

      sean.lambie.3 - 2012-07-29 21:53

      What goes around comes around !! Isakkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk , lol ! I did enjoy his idiotic and arrogant comments. Don`t forget Stormers supporters , KEEP COUNTING YOUR CHICKENS BEFORE THEY HATCH !!

  • sean.bagley.50 - 2012-07-29 17:04

    S**t happens in life and in sport.It's just the way it is.We just have to get over it and move on.Better luck next time who know's hey.

      Taurus.Blue1 - 2012-07-29 17:17

      Next year @sean, next year!!

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-07-29 17:20

      ''.....who know's hey....'' The rest of the rugby fraternity knows.

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-29 17:47

      didnt really hit rucks

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-30 16:19

      thats because i support the bulls so u better go confer with your imaginary friends again. oh and besides being a bulls supporter i also support any team playing the stormers. thanks for spending so much time reading my comments. i aim to please and you seem pleased with yourself. if not give me a call, i will please you in person. oh and please, please explain to me what it means when a team "looses" - there is no such word, numbskull

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-30 16:30

      alicia i may not have much "up there" but i got plenty for u "down there"... lolz

  • Taurus.Blue1 - 2012-07-29 17:05

    How can you have improved in 2012??? 2010 you were in the FINALS, 2011, 2012 could not make it past semi's... Something is seriously wrong with the way you guys think.

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-07-29 17:17

      Same with the supporters, hence no cups. (11 years in case someone didn't know)

      Taurus.Blue1 - 2012-07-29 17:31

      @harold, 16 years in SR and counting... but they have the 'condolence cup x 2'... I think the Sharks showed this year that the stupid cup means nadda - they thumped the ConCup holders of SA and the Aussies.

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-07-29 17:33

      Condolence cup ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Classic.

      robert.m.sylvester - 2012-07-29 18:06

      A lot of the problem is that a lot their supporters support the All Blacks. Imagine what will happen when the Boks destroy the ABs in due course. They will have to immigrate...................

      theunis.botha.96 - 2012-07-29 23:11

      @ Harold. 11 years you say?Terrible.T'is like a life sentence.

      phillip.beukes.5 - 2012-07-30 07:56

      Yes Taurus... showing up at the game, does not mean that you have already won it...

  • spear.tackle.7 - 2012-07-29 17:09

    good luck to the sharks..

      sean.lambie.3 - 2012-07-29 21:57

      Impossible is possible :)

  • theunis.botha.96 - 2012-07-29 17:10

    I knew this was going to happen.Now they are starting the same prior victory celebrations in Hammilton as did our not so loud and rowdy anymore Stormer supporters.Vat so sakkie.

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      Taurus.Blue1 - 2012-07-29 17:14

      Good for her, now go away!!

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-07-29 17:15

      Do the chick on your profile pic make money by working as a scarecrow?

      mike.bundy.73 - 2012-07-30 09:57


      Stirrer - 2012-07-30 10:15

      Robert, that job involves a web cam, a bedroom, and a Coke bottle.

  • heystek.erasmus - 2012-07-29 17:14

    Hmmmm hangover???lol,dink die koppe is seer oor dit so vinnig afgeblaas het,en die gatte is blou van die harde val terug op moeder aarde!o ja coach,help ook f-all julle wen die meerderheid van jul games,maar kan nie n trofee wen nie!en snaaks,almal wil die hele Stormers/WP span in die bokspan he,maar tog,hulle druk die minste driee,en kan nie die pressure vat van n groot game nie.....

  • WernerZA - 2012-07-29 17:18

    I actually feel for the players... But the coach and the supporters, not so much... Chokers... Hehe

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-29 17:49

      i also felt for them, felt happiness at their misery

      shane.griffiths.94 - 2012-07-29 19:09

      Sorry Werner where do you live?

      shane.griffiths.94 - 2012-07-29 19:11

      oh Singapore isn't it? so what rugby do you watch - ?

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-29 19:17

      i assume he watches super rugby on channel setanta

  • eugene.brink.9 - 2012-07-29 17:23

    A defense plan is NOT a game plan. Peter Grant is as boring as hell, their pack is shockingly inadequate, and their backline reached its expiry date last year already. All in all, just a bunch of chokers

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-07-29 17:25

      Zandberg Jansen couldn't have said it better.

      eugene.brink.9 - 2012-07-29 17:29

      Nag ou grote. Of rather: Goodbye ou chokers ;)

      raymond.romans.5 - 2012-07-30 10:46

      JdV is starting to look like meisiekind. Why does he not pass the ball?

  • schalk.vandermerwe.549 - 2012-07-29 17:23

    I see little Harold has been let out of his cage; where were you Harold, in the remand yard?, and who the hell is this taurus idiot who knows absoulutely nothing about rugby; infantile paralysis of the brain, go play with your lego!

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-07-29 17:27

      Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

      press.enter.12 - 2012-07-29 17:30

      "Haai" Schalkie

      Taurus.Blue1 - 2012-07-29 17:43

      No fun in playing lego (:(: A lot of fun laughing at the Chokers of 2010, 2011 and 2012 :):):)

      jacques.duplessis.3785 - 2012-07-29 17:44

      Ya the cape of good choke!

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-29 17:58

      i played with lego - i set up some poles on opposite sides of a green base. then i put 15 people in striped blue and white jerseys and blue pants and then 15 in black. and then even in lego the blue and white team got ripped a new one by the black team

      john.edwards.733450 - 2012-07-29 22:05

      funny stuff tom!

      blou.johnny - 2012-07-29 22:33

      ...12 years... .....and counting....

  • hedzer.stelma - 2012-07-29 17:24

    Ons kort n voorry wat kan domineer vir hoeveel jaar nou al maar dit gebeur nie. En waarom kry ons vleuels nooit die bal nie. Dit gaan vir een of ander rede altyd dood by die senters. Lyk ook of ons nooit iets op spoed doen nie en dalk is ons agterste 3 ietwat aan klein kant want hulle kom nie oor voordeel lyn indien die verdediging goed is nie.

      press.enter.12 - 2012-07-29 17:34

      Verkoop de Jong aan 'n superglue company . . . . . . en jy kry die prys vir die eerste Stormer wat die lig gesien het, nou nog net besef dis nie net 3 wat te klein is nie . . . . .

      rinus.groeneveld.7 - 2012-07-29 17:47

      Vergelyk die span met die Bulls en dis te verstaanbaar hoekom nie een van hulle dit gemaak het nie - en dan kyk jy na die verskil in die Sharks span! Bulls/Stormers voorry domineer gladnie - Sharks (en selfs Lions) skrum ons disnis. Beast en du Plessis boeties is Springbok voorry. Jy kla julle vleuels kry nooit die bal nie! Hoe moet arme Basson voel langs Olivier! Hy het waarskynlik die seisoen een keer elke helfde die bal gekry - en amper elke keer gescore. Die paar keer wat Habana die bal kry lyk hy ELKE keer gevaarlik. Die Sharks se balle eindig amper elke keer by Mvovo of Peterson. Die Bulls en Stormers sit met die mees verveligste nr 10's in wêreld-rugby wat net daar is omdat hulle kan pale toe skop (wel, at least one of them kan!). Michalak was 'n meester en die verskil tussen die 2 spanne - spel afgewissel, in beheer EN hy kan skop. Soos Carter. Laastens moet ek saamstem oor die 3 ietwat klein manne in julle span - hart is ongelukkig nie alles nie en jy kan nog in 7's wegkom daarmee. Brent Russel was presies dieselfde. Veral as jou rondom 'n verdedigings-patroon probeer speel - die arme ouens kannie heeltyd tackle nie. En Joe se wiele het behoorlik afgekom gister..

      john.edwards.733450 - 2012-07-29 20:41

      Ja rinus harsh but fair .. except the pack does hold their own and then some most of the time But it says something when the BB management team with their SB hats on pick mostly a sharks pack in the starting 15

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-29 20:50

      i have almost no idea what rinus just said but the sharks draw tacklers and then pass. the bulls go through the motions of getting the ball to the wings like an obligation and while doing it they run sideways and take all the wings space away when he eventually gets the ball. how many times is bjorn or ndungane hugging the touchline with no more than a metre to work with and 4 defenders piling into them because steyn, wynand and the assorted forwards in the backline have pulled all the defenders to the wings by passing too early. its awful to watch

  • NguVala - 2012-07-29 17:26

    The buck stops with the head coach and Mr Coetzee - I am sorry but you have to go. You've had enough opportunities and did not deliver, not even the Currie Cup. A new direction for the team is needed and you are not part of. For someone who was assistant coach when the Boks won the WC 2007 - you do not inspire confidence. If you're bold enough to change the way the Stormers play (attcking to defensive) and not succeed, be bold enough to take responsibility. Thank you coach but your time is up!!!

      eugene.brink.9 - 2012-07-29 17:28

      I couldn't agree more

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-07-29 17:29

      No, the rest of us would like for Allister to stay on as coach.

      rinus.groeneveld.7 - 2012-07-29 17:36

      Ditto for Ludeke

      Frank - 2012-07-29 18:41

      As a Sharks supporter, I think Coetzee must go. He's a good coach and poses future problems for the Sharks. Ludeke on the other hand (quote Naas), is a seriously kots coach and must definitely stay to lead the Bulls to the bottom of the SA conference. I think Plum is a good coach and has the players to take the SR trophy in 3 of the next 5 years. This year, with all the travelling, is maybe just a bridge too far. My head says Chiefs 25-20 but my heart says Sharks 33-15.

      rinus.groeneveld.7 - 2012-07-29 19:57

      Ludeke WILL coach us into the bottom 5 next year....

      john.edwards.733450 - 2012-07-29 20:46

      how can ludeke be so crap if he's won the competition x2 ? We simply don't have the players to match the sharks at the moment and this SB distraction is bad for the BBs

      blou.johnny - 2012-07-29 22:29

      ...bye-bye loser Alister..! ....time to go..!

      Darryn - 2012-07-30 16:28

      @blou.johnny........ eish I would not call other people losers if I was you.....

  • eugene.brink.9 - 2012-07-29 17:34

    It's the Cape of Good Choke

      paul.botha.967 - 2012-07-29 18:22


  • jacques.duplessis.3785 - 2012-07-29 17:38

    Guys 2 problems!1 is the fact that the stormers don't have the forwards to match the sharks and 2 the fact that peter grant is still their number 1??well done sharks we backing you on saturday!!you showed us and the rest of the country how to dominate upfront!

  • marcel.v.rossum - 2012-07-29 17:38

    Now when the Sharks lose next week it will put the THREE TROPHIES the BULLS have nicely in perspective!! Go Chiefs!!!

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-07-29 17:42

      It's already in perspective.

      press.enter.12 - 2012-07-29 17:44

      Really hope the Sharks can do it - it is so lonely for Bulls supporters to be the only Saffa team with 3 trophies . . . . - 2012-07-29 18:25

      Hmmm I see your point, but the SHARKS are just not going to lose, my friend...

      whusselmann - 2012-07-29 19:44

      The three trophies the Bulls had, not have,time travellers into the past.You r as good as your last game.You did not win last year and neither did you reach the semi s this year.

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-29 20:29

      so the stormers are as good as their choke

      franklyn.davies.1 - 2012-07-29 20:43

      Yeah,the Bulls are the Stormers biatches,cmon-go suck some,we know you like it ! - 2012-07-29 20:48

      @marcel A proud South African supporter I see? Did you do national service? If you did then you probably had an MK uniform and a SWAPO uniform in the closet so you could swop sides when it suited you then too...

      john.edwards.733450 - 2012-07-29 23:53

      franklyn we watched the games give it up .. the first one CJ handed you the game with a BS scrum penalty the second one you were pushed around for 80 minutes and got a lucky break .. you don't know the meaning of make your b!tch .

  • rinus.groeneveld.7 - 2012-07-29 17:58

    Ek verstaan nou nog nie die "Sharks shock Stormers" opskrifte nie? Dit is die simpelste van beginsels: verdedig. verdedig, verdedig is NIE 'n spelpatroon nie. En jou luck om heeltyd met skoppe te wen kan net aanhou nie. As jy wraggies deur die hele reeks nie EEN keer 4 driee kon druk nie (nie eers tuis teen SWAK opposisie nie), kan jy nie verwag om die trofee vas te hou nie. Ek is verbaas dat so baie "rugby-kenners" op Superbru 'n wen vir die Stormers voorspel het!?

      Taurus.Blue1 - 2012-07-29 18:19

      @rinus, dis wat almal nog die hele tyd vir die klomp grootbek Stormers gese het, (it will nip them in the butt), maar neeeee, 'defense wins matches' - Die Sharks weer, speel briljant (na die Toetsreeks teen Engeland het hul spelpeil 100% verbeter) - 'n mens kan nie anders om die game te geniet nie.

  • johnvkaraoke - 2012-07-29 18:05

    what does he exspect if they the stormers only play rugby for 15min

      paul.botha.967 - 2012-07-29 18:17

      Make that 5 !

  • pieter.thefuture - 2012-07-29 18:06

    got my heart broken at Newlands last night - I really believed it was our year and this loss hurt more than I could ever say. Congratulations to the Sharks, if I can bear watching the final I will be supporting you 100%. Will always stay loyal to my beloved Stormers

      charlesdumbwin.dumbwin - 2012-07-29 18:09

      You're a bigger man that the coward Isak Visser !!!

      paul.botha.967 - 2012-07-29 18:10

      Suck it up pissy!! Stormers=Chokers=Forever

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-07-29 18:15

      Next year. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      pieter.thefuture - 2012-07-29 18:19

      @Paul - thats real classy - but if it makes you feel better, go ahead, kick someone when they are down

      paul.botha.967 - 2012-07-29 18:31

      Pieter don't be a baby,grow a pair of balls!

      press.enter.12 - 2012-07-29 18:32

      Just dont ask Grant or Pietersen to do the kicking, they will never get them out . . . . .

      shooshyu.tu - 2012-07-29 18:35

      @paul.botha.967 Sharks 3 SR finals still no cups, so who are the chokers?

      paul.botha.967 - 2012-07-29 18:39

      @shoosh Stormers Lmfao !

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-29 19:19

      if u've got an issue, fetch a tissue otherwise i can fedex you a box

      blou.johnny - 2012-07-29 22:24

      ...bye-bye Alister...! ...time to go...!

      TravieGrif - 2012-07-29 22:48

      @Pieter. Thank you for the support mate. As a Shark fan I understand the heartache but you guys will get up to fight another day. You're a great team and you will be back. Shout for us next week so we can bring the trophy to SA. Sharks forever!

      john.maree.90 - 2012-07-30 09:23

      And all the guys that is going on about the Stormers are all Bulls supporters. Why don't you go to Loftus and do nothing at all and stop with the Stormers. Rather yell and scream at your team and leave the Stormers out.

  • neville.watson.94 - 2012-07-29 18:12

    Someone must get rid of the Coach because he is happy to be second best year after year , and the whole bunch WP administrators who keep the money under the pillows , I make a good decision to burn my stompies jersey they are hopeless

      press.enter.12 - 2012-07-29 18:34

      They werent even second best this year . . . . . thats going to be either the Chiefs or the Sharks . .

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-29 19:20

      they were top of the conference and the overall log guys. thats good enough for them.

      blou.johnny - 2012-07-29 22:17

      .....where is Rassie..???

  • eugene.brink.9 - 2012-07-29 18:12

    Guys, this is getting boring without the normal coterie of big-mouth Stormers supporters. Let's play a little game and think of words that rhyme with "joke". Ok, let's go!

  • eban.tucker - 2012-07-29 18:12

    I think that most of the Storers fans and management missed the point over the last few seasons. Well what are they? 1. you have to have a good tight 5. The Stormers tight 5 besides Etzebeth are always missing in action when they come up against good packs. So Stormers need to recruit 4 top class forwards who play with passion and do not sit in a backline all day. You need game breakers in the loose forwards. That is skilled mobile loose forwards. Thirdly your half back pair are mediocre and good first division club players. They are not match winners, cannot vary their game and are easy to predict. Well centres. De Jongh is selfish and poor on defence. Habana should have stayed with Bulls. He overdoes everything because he never gets good line ball. In fact, Stormers always crumble at the end because they are not big time players.

      KLSmith51 - 2012-07-29 21:32

      Bekker would be a good no 8

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-30 17:18

      but not the best centre and wing as he showed on saturday

  • - 2012-07-29 18:17

    Yes, Allistar Coetzee, it's time that you and your coaching staff resign - you have accomplished nothing at the Stormers - no silverware to show.

      press.enter.12 - 2012-07-29 18:35

      They did win the consolation cup . . . . .

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-29 19:21


      john.edwards.733450 - 2012-07-29 20:50

      aka the noddy cup

      blou.johnny - 2012-07-29 22:14

      ....where is Rassie...??????

  • Edwin - 2012-07-29 18:23

    Taurus.Blue1......or Taurus.Pink2.....must be a Bulls supporter. Nobody denies that the Sharks dominated all facets of the game and DESERVED this victory. Your comments as a Bulls supporter who's team did not even make the semi's is ironic. Talking of Bulls misery......the "stupid Stormers" won the Bulls twice this season. Outch.

      marcel.v.rossum - 2012-07-29 18:36

      the stormers got one game (round) further than the Bulls and then lost it - SO in fact they CHOKED!

      press.enter.12 - 2012-07-29 18:41

      Stick around, the season aint over . . . . .

      Taurus.Blue1 - 2012-07-29 18:57

      @edwin, yes I am a proud Bulls supporter... Anyone in his right mind would tell you that the Bulls did extremely well in 2012. There was a glimmer of hope, but that faded fast. As a Bulls supporter, I do not have hard feelings toward my team since they have already made me proud, not only this year but also in the past. In case you have forgotten let me remind you Bulls won the trophy 3 x, your team has choked 3 x MASSIVE difference. Great achievement ''stupid Stormers won (beat) the Bulls. I've said it in the past, I'm honoured that it is such a great achievement for your team to beat my team twice in one year. No misery my friend, nothing, nadda, nul, geen NIKS.

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-29 19:22

      i didnt know human trafficking was part of rugby. u can win whole teams? thats amazing! i guess the stormers "won" habana and van den heever. what a win those two were

      john.edwards.733450 - 2012-07-29 21:29

      make the semis with a lot of help from the refs .. good job

      dawie.labuschagne - 2012-07-30 10:04

      @RandomDude...regtig is dit jou beste, ons het daar gekom met hulp van wat as ons het, net jammer die skeidsregter kon ons nie uithelp Saterdag nie. Kan nie dink dit sal n plesier wees om saam met jou rugby te kyk nie, seker so eensigtig oor alles wat jy doen of ondersteun. Pasop te veel goeie dinge gaan jou in die lewe dalk verby.

      john.edwards.733450 - 2012-07-30 18:57

      @dawie no you won't enjoy it .. you're from da cape .. I'd end up smashing your face in within he first 5 minutes .. I call it as I see it .. was the Scrum penalty CJ handed the Stomers in the 1st game against the Bulls a BS penalty ? Was the Aplon score against the Cheethas from an offside position ? Let's not talk about the first game against the Canes or the first one against the Sharks ... anyone who's not a on-eyed stormers supporter could see they actually won many of those games on the scoreboard only.

      john.edwards.733450 - 2012-07-30 18:59

      ..and if you read many of my comments you'd know I'm not one-eyed in my support for the bulls

  • willem.kotze.3781 - 2012-07-29 18:32

    The Sharks also had to wait 12 years before they could win anything. 2007 was gut wrenching and agonizing for any sharkfan to experience, we thought that this was the time that we finally will win something...until Bryna crashed the party. That day I thought that the sharks will never ever win anything ever again. They had their best chance ever to win silverware..and they blew it! Well guess what, a year later they won the currie cup by not giving up! A lot of Sormers fans must be really frustrated now, but just keep on trying. The Bulls kept on trying and they won 3 super rugby titles after they were once seen as the joke of the S12

  • paul.maarman - 2012-07-29 18:36

    another year we wait.,,Good Luck Sharks....STORMERS4LIFE

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-29 19:24

      more like CHOKERS4LIFE

  • spear.tackle.7 - 2012-07-29 18:36

    Did we lose against the bulls or what ??

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-07-29 18:41

      It's irrelevant.

      jerome.fortuin.71 - 2012-07-29 18:57

      the bulls doesn't fit in at the loss against the sharks . Only thing is the stormers are weaklings that blame the bulls for everything they do . Seems you are afraid of the bulls VERY AFRAID

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-29 19:29

      the how did we do against the bulls argument has now expired and is tired. u got your arses handed to u yesterday and the bulls were 1200km away so they couldnt have caused it. what a weak thing to say after u got embarrassed. did we lose to the bulls or what? hahahahahaha

      blou.johnny - 2012-07-29 22:11

      ...Bulls = SuperChamps X3... ..Stormers = SuperLosers X11...

  • willem.kotze.3781 - 2012-07-29 18:37

    Not Bryna..Bryan

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-29 19:29


      shooshyu.tu - 2012-07-29 19:43

      @Tim.Retardis that's your game isn't it?

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-29 20:32

      im so happy the stormers lost i doesnt crae abot speling amd grammer errors

  • zaaristotle - 2012-07-29 18:48

    The Stormers may have been top of the table, but they scored the least number of tries of all teams. To me that means they win on other teams errors - via Peter Grant. I think their season victory scores show this - always winning by a narrowish margin - and only once getting a bonus point for 4 plus tries. Now what happens when you end up against a team that can score tries without giving away penalties? - I think we know now. Your defence may be as strong as you like, and everyone may be swooning over the Stormer' "good" defence, but in any war defences are breached, and if you can't fight back by attacking, then you don't go to the Super 15 finals.

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-29 19:33

      when did they get a 4 try bonus point this season? please explain

      niel.walt - 2012-07-29 20:31

      They didn't score 4 tries once actually, and in 4 of their last 5 games their opponents actually scored more tries than they did. Rugby was created when a man picked up a ball and ran with it, he didn't kick it between 2 poles...

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-29 20:54

      finally someone else who can understand rugby was invented by scoring a try. but real rugby is defending your line for 15 minutes apparently

  • mthunzi.phakathi - 2012-07-29 18:57

    The stormers hv been unfortunate, last yr they got the saders in an emotional season for the cantubarians. This year they hv come across a school of blood thirsty sharks, who hv their tails up. I hope they can muster enough for one more feeding frenzy.

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-29 19:34

      yes very unfortunate. so unlucky, completely fluke. lets pass the buck on to lady luck

      john.edwards.733450 - 2012-07-29 21:35

      no zzztomerzzz where *fortunate* to make it into the semis. They never looked better than 5 or 6 in the competition and some friendly refs and dumb luck got them there in the first place .. well international ref and good team and they're history.

      ernest.a.dumont - 2012-07-30 10:54

      with all due respect.. give credit where credit is due... Steve Walsh tried his damndest but he needed help from the other 15 players on his team!!

  • stompies.hattingh.5 - 2012-07-29 19:00

    "the Stormers may actually play better in this tough competition in 2013" - they don't seem to get it. Not even 2013 yet and they are already winning the cup!!!

  • bfvillet - 2012-07-29 19:02

    thanks rob houwing you really turned that knife there well it is a day later and you actually do start feeling better.Glad that AC is open to learning from this and that there is a commitment to do better proud of the leadership and the fact that you guys play for the jersey.Time to regroup get up and start playing again we know we have to strengthen our scrum look at hooker flyhalf , fullback and backline coach .You have carel du plessis,pieter de villiers and a host of rugby knowledge in the cape two of the top varsity sides use the resources and put us back where we belong GO Prooooooooooovince

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-07-29 19:20

      Why do you want to have a look at your flyhalf and fullback? Not too long ago you lot wanted them in the Bok team and ripped poor Heyneke apart for not selecting them. We told you they are useless.

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-29 19:36

      heyneke meyer and his blue glasses. popgun grant was a sure thing to lead us to glory. i do agree with u on one thing, get peter de villiers to help out, then we can see how useless stormers really can be

      bfvillet - 2012-07-29 19:37

      i never said that in fact i would not encourage any of them to play in heyneke`s team we leave that to the bulls he can play spies olivier and steyn until he gets fired as bok coach which will be by november

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-29 20:34

      sorry bud keep dreaming. and who is ur proposed replacement? ruck hitter nick mallet? the oracle?

  • ruan.lacock - 2012-07-29 19:21

    SHARKS 4EVA !!

  • mlvwk - 2012-07-29 19:27

    Did Rassie see this coming?

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-07-29 19:35

      We all saw it coming. AGAIN.

      bfvillet - 2012-07-29 19:39

      the pressure was too much and he jumped ship like he usually does

      blou.johnny - 2012-07-29 22:04

      ....loser Alister Coetsee.....

  • whusselmann - 2012-07-29 19:38

    The forwards were right there with the Sharks.What gave the Sharks the edge was their experienced Bok frontrow. As far as the backline was concerned , they could not cut it.As i pointed out a couple of years ago , they should contract David Campese as their backline coach. Fleck was a good player , but he is never going to be a good backline coach. The lot of injuries we had also played a role. Jean should not worry at all. Not even John Smit would have inspired the Stormers to win.With all the brilliant youngsters that is coming through, next year we can bet our houses on the Stormers. Just get Campese here and start up that backline so that they can fire up Newlands like in the 80 s.

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-07-29 19:56

      Next year? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

      Taurus.Blue1 - 2012-07-29 19:57

      Typical, what is wrong with you??? 'next year we can bet our houses on the Stormers"????? Are you for real, you will all be homeless - GUARANTEED!!!!

      eugene.brink.9 - 2012-07-29 20:10

      @ Whusselman: I nearly choked harder than the Stormbarians as I read your post. I see the deludedness of the Stormers coaching staff and players don't stop with them, their fans are equally misguided. Your forwards 'up there' with the Sharks. Did you even watch the game? How do you compare Willem Alberts and Deon Fourie?? The only decent forward last night was Eben Etzebeth, which is consequently the only young player ccoming through your ranks. You want to look at a team developing young players? Look at the Bulls and catch a glimpse of the S15 champs in 2014. Your whole backline is obsolete, and so is your front row. So I have no idea which brilliant youngsters you're talking about. And regarding your comment about the 80's: That was last when WP played decent rugby and it's sad that that's your only reference point.

      niel.walt - 2012-07-29 20:25

      That talent the bulls are developing, was bought, small-smith, francois venter, serfontein, all developed in the FREE STATE and like sadie ludeke will help fade aswell.

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-29 20:38

      yeh and who won craven week? k thx bye

      eugene.brink.9 - 2012-07-29 20:38

      Sorry Neil.walt, I don't speak idiot. If you want anybody to understand you, please type legibly

      niel.walt - 2012-07-29 21:14

      If ludeke doesn't leave the bulls won't win another cup, he's just as backwards as AC.

      paul.botha.967 - 2012-07-29 21:35

      You speak through your arse!

      blou.johnny - 2012-07-29 21:57

      ....loser Alister Coetsee just as bad as helium Peter de Villiers... ......enough said....

      raymond.romans.5 - 2012-07-30 13:33

      Stormers are starting to sound like Angie Motshekga. We will deliver tomorrow.................

  • andries.oosthuizen.526 - 2012-07-29 19:59

    I believe both the coach and the captain are wonderful people, but as all of us, they are not perfect, and at this professional level some hard questions should be asked, if you keep on failing. Should this have been the premier soccer league, heads would have rolled.

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-29 20:40

      bit medieval that hey. not much beheading happening these days, well unless you happen to be in an al qaeda home movie. maybe alister and jdv could star in one of those? heads will defo roll

      blou.johnny - 2012-07-29 21:50

      ....where is Rassie.? .... SOS to Rassie for help...

  • keithronald.wildschut - 2012-07-29 20:08

    We've lost this one and some of our critics will say we are chokers,like if we are playing semi-finals against second stringers.Both teams were loaded with top players and on the day the Sharks were the better team.We must go to the drawing board and analyze this campaign thorougly.My humble submission would be that we need to strengthen our props, at scrumhalve we are thin and we need someone who can work with the mental strength of our guys especially in big games.Cups will come and I'm not to worried about it.For all the gloating pseudo Sharks your Bulls, Cheetahs and Lions did not play in the semi's.

      brahmjulia - 2012-07-29 20:37

      Keith,you are one of the very few Stormer supporters that seems to be humble and for that i salute you.You are also right in your assessment of your problem areas. Like the Bulls you struggle with a nr 2 & 3 of REAL quality and your backline did not produce the magic that Province backlines of the past so often camen up with. The latter is due to a gameplan that proved to be successfull in the round robin stages,yet were found terribly wanting i the semi-final. Might just have been interesting if Schalk Burger and Duane Vermeulen were available......... But then ditto the Sharks missing Lambie and Jordaan.....

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-29 21:00

      your scrumhalf is a bit fat actually every time your team chokes it becomes harder and harder to win the thing, there is no self belief. sharks and chiefs whoever wins, will make it easier for them to do it again and again, stormers will continue floundering like a fish out of water and the supporters will stay as pathetic as always. oooh real rugby is defending your line for 15 minutes. ja, until the sharks make u defend for 3 minutes and then score a try

      niel.walt - 2012-07-29 21:21

      Funny u should mention the cheetas and lions, they weren't even in the top 10, yet even they have managed to win cups in die last 11 years!

      joe.smit.547 - 2012-07-29 21:36

      Analyse? No dice, buy Bryce....

      joe.smit.547 - 2012-07-29 21:36

      Analyse? No dice, buy Bryce....

  • Johan De Beer - 2012-07-29 20:13

    Just maybe the Stormers were a little too cocksure going into the game. Just maybe...

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-29 20:43

      well they sure are cocks

      eugene.brink.9 - 2012-07-29 20:54

      3 cheers for tom.tardis!

  • gavin.spaz.taylor - 2012-07-29 20:35

    sho.. as stoked as I am for the Sharks winning, I salute the Stormers for a remarkable season. had a chat with Bryan and you can see how hard the defeat was on him. People chew shreds into teams without the perspective of just how much they put into what they do.

      paul.botha.967 - 2012-07-29 20:51

      Boohoo and how much do they get paid for that?

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-29 21:07

      i had a chat with Joe about the game afterward, the oke was so happy he couldnt contain the joy. oh ja Joe is my dad and he is a bulls supporter - who is brian? your life partner?

      joe.smit.547 - 2012-07-29 21:31

      Oh gosh. I'm Joe too! Trophy cabinet for sale. As new, never used before..........

      blou.johnny - 2012-07-29 21:48

      ....12 years... ......and counting....

  • jwdupreez - 2012-07-29 21:17

    How not to greet a Stormer!! Haai there!!!. The Stormers joined the Bulls -(on the pavilon watching the final)- with 10 man kicking rugby (kicking perfectly playable balls AWAY, defending like HELL and allowing the oponents to play RUNNING rugby and scoring tries. The Sormers (and their pathetic BOOING supporters) won the conference (big deal but still NO Trophees) AND the semi-final BEFORE the game even started (over confident chokers) and paid the price. Now stop winching/bitching/crying and wish the Sharks well - at least they will try (and give their BEST) it is time for them to sort the Chiefs out.......Why not!!! The believe in themselves why cant we?

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-29 21:32

      how do you winch?

      blou.johnny - 2012-07-29 21:45

      ....maybe next year... ...or the year thereafter... ........Ha ha ha..!

  • ron.hobson.313 - 2012-07-29 21:18

    Is there anything more Alistair Coetzee can do for the Stormers?Every year its going to be same storie 'We need to analyze'

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-29 21:31

      they anal-yse in the shower after every game and then the sharks anal ised them this weekend

      blou.johnny - 2012-07-29 21:42

      ... Where is Rassie..?

      venetia.sanders1 - 2012-07-29 23:01

      My dear friend Ronald, as a 35 years long WP hater and WP rugby hater (I am only 39), there are 3 things that will never change in your so called rugby team and this is the real reason why your team will never win any trophy:\r\n1) WP rugby fails to recognize or give any opportunity to those who support and are the real life of rugby in WP. The Coloured community and the Coloured players of Boland Rugby. They are your base from which all your rugby needs to start and not UCT or Maties.\r\n2) WP rugby have no forwards. They have sissies who have inherited the moffy gene of Bobby Skinstat and blow dry boy percy montgomery. Get some real forwards like the BEAST to stand a chance.\r\n3) Then stop picking players who have so called famous rugby fathers. Trophies are not inherited, they are won. Stop picking players who come from your university teams and focus on club rugby. That is your basis of rugby: the clubs.\r\n\r\nSorry you lost, but get used to it.

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-29 23:22

      thank u lequeesha shantiqua lakwanda venetia el habanero de la cap de sud also known as CHIP after that big one on your shoulder. anyway ti.ts or GTFO, comment deemed PENDING - AWAITING OUTCOME OF PHOTO HOTNESS T!TS OR GTFO

  • stephen.axtell.7 - 2012-07-29 21:26

    If an alien had to land on the planet and read these comments they would think its filled with a bunch inbred morons. Seriously you guys give a bad name to morons. The real funny thing is all these sloping forehead Bulls supporters jumping on the band wagon, bBeyond a shadow of a doubt they are the dumbest of the lot

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-29 21:33

      u say that like its a bad thing

      blou.johnny - 2012-07-29 21:40

      ....chokers.! ...ha ha ha.!

      stephen.axtell.7 - 2012-07-29 22:02

      And to prove my point the sloping foreheads come running.

      blou.johnny - 2012-07-29 22:52 Super-cups.. Currie-cups... ....fact...

      WernerZA - 2012-07-30 10:46

      It takes one to know one...

  • charles.gregory.7906 - 2012-07-29 21:29

    People calling for alister's head that's unfair yes we failed again at a semi final but look at our win percentage the last 4 years we have been more sucsessful then ever!

      paul.botha.967 - 2012-07-29 21:31

      With 0 trophys to show for that!

      blou.johnny - 2012-07-29 21:38

      ....losers.! .... Ha ha ha ha...!

      blou.johnny - 2012-07-29 22:49

      ...haai Alister..! .....bye-bye Alister..!

      afrikeni - 2012-07-30 07:22

      The coach is like a student who consistently pass class tests but fail the final exams _ u won't get the degree. Next coach please!

  • eugene.brink.9 - 2012-07-29 21:29

    Coetzee says his players are 'cut up' and I agree that their defense was indeed cut up

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-29 23:24

      thats what happens to a team good on paper when there is a pair of black scissors in the vicinity

  • leeflj - 2012-07-29 21:52

    Well done Sharks!! As a Stormers supporter, I'm dissapointed that we did not win.. I must however admit that the better team won on the day. I'm still proud of the Stormers achievement though the trophy is still empty. Let's get behind the Sharks now and leave the insults (aimed at the Stormers fans)..Good luck to Keegan and the rest of the team, make us proud!! I hope the Chiefs( aka All Blacks Supporters} don't crucify me!!

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-29 23:24

      as a bulls supporter im pretty happy you did not win

      sam.rubin.98 - 2012-07-30 16:47

      Congrats to the Sharks.On the day they had the right game plan and used it properly.stormers played too much of the game intheir own half to their great cost.They did not handle the extremely useful Michalak kicks and this cost them an easy try, from which they never really recovered, Sharks have an extremely tough task ahead of them to play the Chiefs away after all the hectic travelling, but I sincerely wish them and from all SA supporters the best of luck.'VREET HULLE HAAIE"!!!!!

  • hans.naude1 - 2012-07-29 22:05

    Differance in playing negative rugby and positive rugby , right from the begining it was the wrong choice to follow . Attack is the best defence someone said 2000 years ago

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-29 23:25

      i think that was leonardo da vinci

  • chris.booise - 2012-07-29 22:07

    The Stormers must stop doing this to their fans; they're really letting us down when it counts. They play well and win games, but when it comes to the important ones they choke...But I'll stay a fan for life.

      blou.johnny - 2012-07-29 22:59

      ...blame the boring coaching staff...