Stats show Bulls' flaws

2011-04-12 07:49

J.J. Harmse

Pretoria - A combination of individual “soft moments” by several Bulls players is hurting the team and threatening to derail its Australasian tour.

That is clear from an analysis of statistics from the recent game against the Crusaders, where the Bulls were beaten 27-0.

Statistics, as supplied by, suggests that the Bulls fared a lot better than the scoreboard suggested and that mistakes at crucial periods cost the Bulls the game.

That places the mistakes of individuals in perspective.

For example: Nobody made more tackles than Pierre Spies.

The 19 tackles by the beleaguered Bulls No 8 was more than any other player on the field and while that should be a tick behind his name, it’s the four that he missed that stays in the memory - especially because he could not keep Israel Dagg away from the try-line with one of those missed tackles.

The same applies to the attack, where Spies handled 16 times, carried 12 times and gained 38 metres. The fact that Spies knocked the on ball twice - both occasions with the Bulls on attack -  is once again what remains in the memory.

The same applies for Wynand Olivier.

The blond centre missed two of his 11 tackles (against the 3 out of 5 by Francois Hougaard and Morné Steyn’s 4 out of 10), but the crucial one was when Sonny Bill Williams ran past him and scored 50 metres on.

It’s the same story on attack. Olivier carried the ball eight times, broke the line on three occasions and gained nearly 98 metres, but knocked the ball on twice in succession to undo his good work.

Interestingly, Sonny Bill Williams also knocked the ball twice and Robbie Fruean four times, but Oliver’s mistakes are considered more serious.

The Bulls missed 20 out of 154 tackles (13%) against the Crusaders’ 22 out of 138 (8%) and that was ultimately the difference between the teams.

The complaint that senior players are not pulling their weight appears to be partly true.

The Bulls’ most senior players - Victor Matfield (116 games) and Danie Rossouw (107 games) - made five and four handling errors respectively - the most in the team.

Jaco Pretorius, who was hardly seen, should probably consider himself satisfied with his statistics. The centre made 16 successful tackles and did not miss one, won turnover possession twice and crossed the advantage line four times. However, his good performance was spoiled by two handling errors.

Even so, the Bulls made 27 handling errors against the 34 of the Crusaders.

The home side also kicked more than the Bulls (21 against 13), but where the Crusaders only made 16 unforced errors, the Bulls’ figure stood at 34. And that is where the major difference lies.

The Bulls are being hurt by unnecessary errors. If they can sort that out on the training field - a promise made to supporters by Matfield - there may be a surprise in store for the Reds.


  • SAFFA-CAT - 2011-04-12 07:54

    Ooh ons wil huistoe gaan na mamma toe.....

      Lloyd - 2011-04-12 08:03

      Dis beter as julle 'Bobbejaan klim die berg' anthem.

      gooinat - 2011-04-12 08:09

      @Saffa,die rivier is vol die Blou Bulle se trane rol......

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-04-12 08:13

      @Gooinat - Did you watch the Ikeys humble Tukkies? Hehehehehehe, magnificent :) And seroiusly those Tukkies tonsils used black magic to try and win the contest....what with the playing of 'kaptein span die seile', and some 'neem my op something frikkin vlerke' song the whole night (that was enough to crack any decent soldier....) BUT THE IKEYS STOOD FIRM.

      gooinat - 2011-04-12 08:21

      @Saffa,morning,yes I did,Ikeys defence was brilliant.I sometimes get embarrassed for some of our friends from up North's part,they really know how to make there name "gat".......

      mummford - 2011-04-12 08:30

      SAFFA/GOOINAT last nights game was brilliant.Was so impressed with the talent.That Ikeys no15 has plenty gas!Ikeys did struggle with their line outs but it was a great come back.No 7 Tukkies played a good game! Again i must stress...Lloyd has one testicle and 8 toes!

      Lloyd - 2011-04-12 08:36

      Die Stormers supporters het een of ander wannabee cup gewen, nou is hulle weer in volle sterkte. Daar was die hele naweek nie n teken van ou mummford gewees nie.

      gooinat - 2011-04-12 08:44

      @Mummford,there passion for the game was brilliant,even when they had already won the game after the siren had gone they were still defending like Trojans,says a lot that.

      JohnnyBB - 2011-04-12 08:48

      .....die Bulle is k@k, .......maar die Stormers is k@kker...!! .....geen bekers Stormers... ......vir 11 jaar... .........ha ha ha ha ha ..!!!

      gooinat - 2011-04-12 08:55

      @Lloyd(een bal en 8 tone),we support all our teams from Cape Town,regardless.

      Whatever - 2011-04-12 23:15

      Stats is verkeerd.Volgens die eerlike stats uit NZ en Aus,nie die bullsh$t vd Bulle nie,het julle kalfies 40 uit 137 tackles gemis wat 29% is en die Saders16 uit 128 wat 12% is.Spies het seker daai "tackles" in sy verbeelding die vorige aand in die bed op SBW gemaak.Dream on stats sucks!

  • Jaco - 2011-04-12 07:54

    They had an extra bye.

  • Jaco - 2011-04-12 08:01

    They had an extra bye.

  • Brannas - 2011-04-12 08:02

    So What, dot Bulle het n' afdag gehad, almal het n' af dag een of ander tyd, Die beker is nog nie gewen en die Bulle kan nou net beter word, Go bulls.

      watalife - 2011-04-12 08:10

      its going to be a very long season for the flo nulle.....bulls...suck

      Bulldozer - 2011-04-12 08:15

      No cups - 10 years.

      Met Uysh! - 2011-04-12 08:24

      Af dag? Na 2 verlore op Bulloftus is dit meer soos 'n af seisoen!

      Whatever - 2011-04-12 23:18

      Gaan Snorcity nou toemaak?Gelukkig kan die Bulle gou inpas in Danville se dorpspan!!

  • SAFFA-CAT - 2011-04-12 08:07

    A serious question chaps. After Heyneke failed to bring the Varsity Cup to Hells playground (Pta), do you chaps feel : a) betrayed b) bewildered c) broken d) confused e) Dik die m0er in omdat hy dai tyd eerder met die Bulls kon spandeer het.

      The_Fox - 2011-04-12 09:07

      You forgot embarrassed.. their one and only saviour couldn't help them.

      Marius Swart - 2011-04-12 09:54

      @SAFFA-CAT.Jy weet ek is nie een van jou fan's nie maar dit is skerp.Ek sal die humor in dit raaksien en nie die feit dat jy blou bulle haat nie.Moet self se die come back gisteraand was ongelooflik van hulle.Wat my verstom het was dat die ref in die eerste helfde al die call's teen hulle gemaak het en het toe game draai toe gaan al die call's na hulle kant toe.Wys jou jy moet rugby op die voorvoet speel.Daai loskakel van julle skop ook nie mis nie.Baie geluk

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-04-12 10:18

      @Marius - ek haat nie die Bulls....van my gunsteling spelers of all time kom uit jou neck of the woods, going back years. Blame the years of sporting isolation on the "rivalry" between North and South, it certainly adds something to our rugby. What happened last night: as soon as Ikeys managed to hang onto the ball, the calls started going their way (as is usually the case at any level) - and it did seem as though Fenton Wells (our cappie) managed to steady the ship with the ref (something the Stormers could not do last Saturday). I was especially proud of the boys defence at the end - and at the end of the day, I genuinely think they wanted it more. That said - Heyneke's influence on that Tukkies team was pretty incredible, when one considers their "success" in previous campaigns.

      Whatever - 2011-04-12 23:18

      Heyneke Meyer an overrated Capie!?

  • scipio - 2011-04-12 08:09

    Stats don't tell the whole story. JJ stop defending the chops in the Bulls team by conforming to stats.

      Jik - 2011-04-12 08:26

      JJ's feeling guilty after his disgruntled "Bulls lucky to get zero" erh...piece.. Maybe he got in trouble and is sucking up now... I must say JJ, either you lost big money or a significant amount of pride, but it at least motivated you sufficiently enough to get it all of your chest.. kudos..

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-04-12 08:39

      @Jik - I see you didn't appreciate my comments on Jean Div as a possible Bok captain. A quick question: Smit and Matfield as players on CURRENT FORM (would not make any other SERIOUS international squad - fact, and Matfields captaincy is woeful in any event) - Juan Smith is injured with NO guarantee of being fit in time for rugby's showpiece (and rushing him into a QF would be foolish), WHO ELSE would you suggest as a Bok captain? If Jean Div, to you, is such a poor option.

      kosie - 2011-04-12 08:39

      no he should give the stats it only makes them look worse not better Reds handling errors :13 stromers : 23 sharks: 30 and still won lions: 30 force : 27 tah's: 21 highlanders: 30 still won cheetahs: 28 brumbies: 16 canes: 23 worst in the competition

      kosie - 2011-04-12 08:57

      @ saffa cat: bekker is way better than matfield at the moment as lock. Jdv as captain is a good option but not the ideal one, but i can't think of anybody else either.

      JohnnyBB - 2011-04-12 09:15

      ...Very True stats: cups for 11 years..!!

      Kaapie - 2011-04-12 09:33

      You right it doenst say that Spies ran across the field. Bulls missed 13% yet WO, who, according JJ didnt have a bad game missed 25%, twice as many. Wonder if they attributed tackles to Spies when around the tackle player, with one of his hands on the player. If WO and Spies werent as bad as the stats suggest can you imagine how kak the rest was!. Plainly there are problems in the Bulls camp..seriaas problems.

      Blouste-Blou - 2011-04-12 13:55

      Scipio ek sal nie JJ aanval terwyl julle Stephen Nell die media gebruik vir sy swak versteekte alewige aanvalle teen die Bulle nie. Hierdie aanvalle verskerp sterk nadat Stormers verloor, soos in vandag se Beeld: "Etlike van die gekontrakteerde spelers kan nie tans geloofwaardig as die beste in hul posisies voorgehou word nie. Ja, die probleem strek inderdaad verder as John Smit! As spelpeil die maatstaf is, behoort Bakkies Botha, Pierre Spies, Bryan Habana, Smit, Adrian Jacobs, Wynand Olivier, CJ van der Linde en Victor Matfield (helfte van die name wat hy noem is Bulle) die sekuriteit van ’n nasionale kontrak te hê? Tog lyk dit of De Villiers na die liedjie “Maak die Bulle almal Bokke” luister wanneer hy deesdae besluite neem. Dié vermoede is verlede jaar verder bevestig toe hy Deon Stegmann vir die jaareind-toer na Brittanje en Ierland gekies het. G’n wonder die Bok-breier van die Paarl het met sy aanstelling ’n Blou Bulle-baadjie gedra nie"

      Whatever - 2011-04-12 23:22

      Blouste f@kof kas toe!

  • John - 2011-04-12 08:22

    Stats are all good and it gives the coaches something to work with but I feel the Bulls problems lie in the fact that they have lost the "mongrel". Call it their "mojo" if you like. The pack is just not as imposing or brutal as they normally are. BTW get a friggen decent defense coach. Slappers is an attacking guru. For all you pricks that take pleasure in seeing the Bulls lose ... do you think it helps any of the SA sides????? Huh ???? I'm a Stormer but we need to be seeing the Bulls, Stormers & Sharks winning!

      kosie - 2011-04-12 08:41

      it is nice to see the bulls lose because of their supporters, and the bull idiots that comment on this site

      D - 2011-04-12 11:06

      I always enjoy SA teams winning, all teams but the way the Bulls supporters had such a lot to say when the Sharks lost to the Crusaders I am sitting back smiling with this one. And they were missing Carter, you could add another 12 points onto that scoreline if he had been playing. Do you feel that Bulls? Its earth.. welcome back down to it.

      Blouste-Blou - 2011-04-12 13:58

      Kosie - please check the Stormer-comments! Talk about idiots, and then there are so many of them, more than double of idiot Bull-comments.

  • J - 2011-04-12 08:24

    on the tackle stats 22 out of 138 is 16% JJ. The Bulls are crap but if you want to analize a game make sure your facts are correct.

      Wezz - 2011-04-12 09:10

      Yeah, was just wondering the same thing.

  • mummford - 2011-04-12 08:27

    Lloyd has one testicle and 8 toes!!!!

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-04-12 08:31


      Lloyd - 2011-04-12 08:35

      That's funny.

      gooinat - 2011-04-12 08:41

      @Saffa,the fastest gunslinger in our eyes(not Divvy's)is back,Mummford,you just know how to say things,brilliant:)

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-04-12 08:44

      @Mummford - The Menlyn Mutant......

      Cuzin - 2011-04-12 08:44

      How can that be.... I thought Lloyd was a woman??

      Lloyd - 2011-04-12 08:49

      That's funny.

      JohnnyBB - 2011-04-12 09:02

      ...and mummford has NO front teeth....

      mummford - 2011-04-12 09:10

      Johnnybb...i do have my front teeth but lost my back tooth when i broke my jaw playing against Paul Roos! Tell us the story on how you lost your poophol string again, its hilarious!

  • Chris - 2011-04-12 08:31

    So, JJ, Wynand and Pierre did not exactly "lose the plot" like your previous article suggested?

  • Wilhelm - 2011-04-12 08:34

    JJ your maths are letting you down... 22 out of 138 = 16%, which is quite interesting actually then that the Crusaders missed more tackles percentage wise

  • Marcus - 2011-04-12 08:38

    And in other news, Plascon paint dries faster than a Brett Lee yorker.

  • Francois - 2011-04-12 08:43

    Morne Steyn is solving the Peter Grant conundrum and Olivier the perceived oversupply of highlight to the hair in PTA during the RWC as well as the centre problem. It might be good to have both Spies and Kankowski as nr 8s and take Juan Smith as a reserve lock as Duanne Vermeulen has solved his the nr 8 problem over the weekend. Snorre, you must wake up - if the Bulls are going to form the core of your team, you are in trouble.

  • Kevin King - 2011-04-12 08:43

    Yip stats really do show flaws, for instance: Super rugby winners (* last decade): 1. Crusaders - 7 (*4) 2. Bulls - 3 (*3) 3. Blues - 3 (*1) 4. Brumbies - 2 (*2) 5. Sharks - ZERO 6. Stormers - ZERO 7. Lions - ZERO 8. Cheetahs - ZERO 9 - 15 - ZERO Currie Cup winners (* last decade): 1. Province - 32 (*1) 2. Bulls - 23 (*4) 3. Lions - 9 (*0) 4. Sharks - 6 (*2) 5. Cheetahs - 4 (*3)

      kosie - 2011-04-12 09:04

      that's history boet. keep dwelling on the past it makes you feel better. I bet you also wish you were ten years old again as well.

      ZOLLIEZAP - 2011-04-12 12:51


  • SAFFA-CAT - 2011-04-12 08:43

    Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital. ~Aaron Levenstein Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable. ~Bobby Bragan, 1963 He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lampposts - for support rather than for illumination. ~Andrew Lang Do not put your faith in what statistics say until you have carefully considered what they do not say. ~William W. Watt

      JohnnyBB - 2011-04-12 09:03

      ...and mummford has NO front teeth....

      kosie - 2011-04-12 09:05

      great comment

      JohnnyBB - 2011-04-12 09:10

      ....Very True Stats: Cups for 11 years...!! ........and still counting...!!!

      mummford - 2011-04-12 09:11

      and Johnnybb has no poophol string

      dribble - 2011-04-12 09:12

      all true however they reckon 45% of all stats are incorrect

      mummford - 2011-04-12 09:16

      with the way the Bulls are playing its good to know we have some talent coming up from the Varsity Cup.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-04-12 09:21

      @Mummford - I think Australopithecus man might be in possession of these chaps missing DNA string.

      Krugga - 2011-04-12 09:31

      Kittie, dont you think its time you get yourself a boyfriend...or girlfriend? I bet if I Googled statistics your quotes can all be found in the first 10 results. Jean as captain? Stick to doing the dishes.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-04-12 09:53

      @Krugga - give me your alternatives....for Bok captain - hurry, I am waiting.

      Clayton - 2011-04-12 10:02

      @ Saffa-cat... your rants are boring everyone! Get some friends, go have beer, let them listen to your rubbish

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-04-12 10:19

      @Clayton - No sunny, my rants are boring 'certain' Bulls fans....

      FatMole - 2011-04-12 10:23

      @SAFFA-CAT. Those quotes are great! @Krugga. Yeah, maybe you could've. But you didn't.

      Clayton - 2011-04-12 10:28

      @ Saffa-cat... Jean Div Captain? are you having a laugh? No doubt that he is the obvious pick at No 12 for the boks but he is the most injury prone player in the country... he tears muscles watching other people get tackled.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-04-12 10:50

      @Clayton - indeed he has had bad luck with injuries come WC time. (Not something for one to joke about......tsk tsk) All I am asking is for you 'geniuses' to come up with a few other options then....I have never said you have to agree with me, but do not knock opinions/suggestions down unless you have a BETTER one. It's simple really.

      Clayton - 2011-04-12 11:18

      I would think that form and injury permitting the pecking order would be as follows: John Smit Victor Matfield Fourie Du Preez Schalke Burger Jean DeVilliers I know your arguement would be that the above players are out of form or has beens but the reality is we are 6 months from the WC, its too late to make drastic changes... if we were going to do it then it should have been done 2 years ago. We cant go into the world cup with a handful of caps...

      Krugga - 2011-04-12 11:44

      Victor Matfield. We're not even 3 months into the SS competition and everybody has written off everything he has accomplished (not so long ago) as captain. Does 3 games really change a player that much? Victor has BMT and captained the Bulls and Boks in very tough games and showed that he can keep the troops calm and focused. Jean and Schalk do not have the knowledge or leadership to do that, losing 2 finals in one year...

  • Brad - 2011-04-12 08:44

    Who did the maths on the missed tackles %? It shows the 'Saders missed 16% not 8. Proving that the missed tackles were not the cause of the Bulls demise.

      kosie - 2011-04-12 09:06

      don't need to make tackles cause the bulls will knock it on.

  • callan - 2011-04-12 08:46

    All you insular, provincialised critics out there are pricks - I might be a Bulls fane, but when it comes to any SA team playing foreign opposition, especialy Aussies or Kiwis, they will get my support, be they Sharks, Stormers, Lions, Cheetahs whatever. No true Bok rugby follower should be gloating about players lack of form, especially in World Cup year...Save the sarcasm for the home derbys.

      kosie - 2011-04-12 09:16

      the point is there is better players than the current bok(bulls) players to make springbok squad 4: steven sykes = bakkies, maybe bakkies 5: bekker = matfield 8: duane/ kanko = spies ( even johnson is better than spies) 9: sarel/ duvenage/mcleod = fourie 10: grant/ lambie = morne 12: jdv/ andies strauss = meisiekind 15: aplon = zane

      callan - 2011-04-12 09:27

      @kosie - agree with your comments, thats exactly my point.....valid rugby view points instead of some of the purile, childish garbage spewed by some....

  • haha - 2011-04-12 08:57

    They need a new coach or a new way in playing the game..they should start with the basics, which is catch the ball and tackle!

  • Richard - 2011-04-12 09:01

    Umm... say what????? That’s not right. It’s actually 16% (WORSE than the bulls) “The Bulls missed 20 out of 154 tackles (13%) against the Crusaders’ 22 out of 138 (8%) and that was ultimately the difference between the teams.”

      Whatever - 2011-04-12 23:26

      No p@eph@l the Bulls missed 40/137 which is 29% and the Saders 16/128 + 12%. Now that is the REAL stats!

      Whatever - 2011-04-12 23:26

      No the Bulls missed 40/137 which is 29% and the Saders 16/128 + 12%. Now that is the REAL stats!

  • Marx - 2011-04-12 09:04

    The problems with the Bulls at this stage are definitely not as steep as the scoreline suggested last weekend. I looked at the game and I'm not blaming the ref, but certain stange calls made in the first 30, went against the Bulls, and gave a lot of momentum to the Saders, which we all know, was devastating. The amount of handling errors and lack of posession made it impossible to score and the way the Bulls allows the opposition to run 50-70 metres without laying a hand on any player until just before the goalline is worrying. But this can easily be rectified, you dont go from Champs to zero's in a couple of games, the Bulls need a attitude adjustment, that's all.

      kosie - 2011-04-12 09:38

      they went from champs(2007) to 10th on the log(2008, super 12), so they do go from champ to zero in a couple of games.

      Marx - 2011-04-12 09:55

      As jy so sê jy so sê........

  • The_Fox - 2011-04-12 09:09

    Forget the stats. Victor, Spietkop, Danie, Bakkies are old and constipated. No stats needed.

  • burger.hoon - 2011-04-12 09:19

    I am not a Bulls fan, but I have nothing against them. There is nothing strange about this season, the bulls always start slower, the stormers and the sharks always look promising but then in the big games they choke up whereas the bulls man-up.

      kosie - 2011-04-12 09:39

      they better man up because this week is the half way mark for them.

      ZOLLIEZAP - 2011-04-12 12:57

      Want die cup word eers op die einde gewen

  • GHT - 2011-04-12 09:20

    Ok basic maths. Bulls missed 20 out of 154 tackles (13%). Correct JJ. Now please tell me how can 22 out of 138 be 8%? You don't even need a calculator or a very high IQ to catch that mistake. The Crusaders missed more tackles. So it could not have been the difference between the 2 teams. Unless you are so confused that you think missing tackles are actually a good thing. Hmm. Next time Bulls. Hope you can get some revenge for us Stormers supporters against the Reds this weekend! Go Stormers!

      Brewster - 2011-04-12 09:36

      My spy down under says the Bulls are working on their defence system. They had a practice session with a number of mealie bags placed around the field on which they practised their tackling. He could not stay for the whole session but when he left the sacks were leading 7-0!!

  • la Rey - 2011-04-12 09:48

    Yip the Bulls are their own worst enemy. But truth be told the Bulls never looked like scoring. Wynand Olivier and Pierre Spies are having nightmares of seasons. And you only noticed Victor when he is making a mistake or moaning to the ref. What happend to FdP no where? But me thinks the problem lies with the coach and manegement. So we all know Olivier and Spies are the most over rated rugby players in world rugby and Steyn is one dimensional. Victor only plays 2-3 games a year and Bakkies only cares about physicality. Deon Steggman is a 3 point machine for the opp. But even that all said these players should still not loose 27-0 to a Crusaders team that with out McCaw and Carter and a first timer at flyhalf. Sorry Frans but you have to go.

  • Norval - 2011-04-12 09:50

    ek is 'n bul en my blinde ouma met 'n plank bril kon sien hulle speel k@k, jy het nie stats nodig nie... ek is lus en stuur daai ex speler met die byl tussen hulle in...

      BRAKKENJAN STORMER - 2011-04-12 10:15

      Norval,dit is omdat jy n'blou bal is dat hulle so kak speel.Byl kap gaan nie help nie.Stuur hulle na kampstaaldraad.Dalk raak hulle iets wys.

  • Staalbal - 2011-04-12 10:28

    Stats show JJ should go back to school

  • Bosduif - 2011-04-12 10:35

    JJ hou op om jou favourites se swak spel te sugarcoat. Spies was swak en WO het eers begin rugby speel toe SBW gesub is.

  • YB Normal - 2011-04-12 10:59

    Stats means zero, how many times have we seen that the teams with worst stats won games. goo example is the Stormers reds game this past weekend. Stormers has got won in most departments, but the scoreboard reflects a diffirent story.

      YB Normal - 2011-04-12 11:02

      Ok lets try again, this time with less mistakes Stats means zero, how many times have we seen that the teams with worst stats won games. Good example is the Stormers vs Reds game this past weekend. Stormers has won in most departments, but the scoreboard reflects a diffirent story.

  • Paul - 2011-04-12 11:11

    @ JJ Harmse - Bulls missed 20 out of 154 tackles (13%) against the Crusaders’ 22 out of 138 (8%) and that was ultimately the difference between the teams. - do your math bru !!! .. how can 22 out of 138 be more than 20 out of 154 - LAZY REPORTER !!!

  • Grunk - 2011-04-12 11:12

    This article is a perfect example of how you can use statistics to prove anything. In fact during the match the stats also showed 1st half possession as somewhere in the region of 60/40 to the Crusaders. (My visual interpretation was approx 80/20) Both sets of stats will not convince any rugby follower that the Bulls were lucky to come off the field with 0.

  • D - 2011-04-12 11:21

    You missed out the most important statistic showing what is wrong with the Bulls team... It is 100% made up of Bulls players. The worst stat out of any team in the competition

      Blouste-Blou - 2011-04-12 14:27

      Some more significant statistics. Only the Western Force has less tries than the Stormers, they've got 8 tries and the "best team in the Super 15" has 9.

      D - 2011-04-12 14:41

      Thats because the Stormers are also rubbish

  • Grunk - 2011-04-12 11:31

    The other point that should be made about this "statistical" comparison is about the comparison it tries to make with opposite numbers. With the best will in the world, even if they make the same number of mistakes (or even more), you will never be able from now on be able to compare Sonny Bill with Olivier. Sonny Bill has created an artform which will eventually rub-off on others and make Rugby Union achieve its true destiny as the best spectator game in the world (provided, of course, we can get the refereeing standards up to the necessary skills sets that they should have).

  • alessandroz067 - 2011-04-12 13:20

    This isn't noot vir noot

  • Francois - 2011-04-12 13:23

    22 out of 138 is 16% not 8%

  • Whatever - 2011-04-12 23:16

    O ja en die Bulletjies kon net 5x offload teenoor 17 vd Saders.No skills in Pretoria.Buy brains from WP asap!

      GraemeBB - 2011-04-13 11:03

      If you are the example, we rather look at other options.

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