Southern Kings ready for 2013

2012-07-10 12:15

Cape Town - South Africa's newest Super Rugby franchise, the Southern Kings, say they are ready to go and will be competitive in next year's Super Rugby competition.

According to the website, the Kings will bring a long-standing rugby tradition to the competition after significant preparation work achieved under former Springbok assistant coach Alan Solomons, who also coached in Ulster and Northampton.

The side will be coached by former Crusaders hooker Matt Sexton who takes up the position on Wednesday, while the region's rugby academy is headed former Springboks Robbie Kempson and De Wet Barry.

After a period of neglect since the advent of professional rugby, the game in the Eastern Cape has been rebuilt under Cheeky Watson.

Solomons told the Cape Times: "There was no professional rugby and no Currie Cup premier rugby, but all the time that senior rugby was regressing, schools rugby remained very strong, as it is today. The feeder system has always been there, but there was nowhere local for top players to go, so they moved on to the glamour provinces in this country."

The return of the region began with a game against the 2009 British and Irish Lions, by a side coached by Solomons. Watson and Solomons then worked together to get a start in Super Rugby, a start that was initially set for 2011 but then changed to next year.

"There were no structures in place. There was nothing going on. I had no administration staff, no facilities, no ancillary departments. We were the antithesis of the professional unions in this country," Solomons said.

"Today we have all the nuts and bolts in place for a truly professional rugby department," he said.

The side will be based on a well-equipped Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium in Port Elizabeth and its numbers will be recruited initially. The recruitment will be based on a small core of existing players, including Luke Watson, players coming off contracts overseas and South African players coming off contracts.

Solomons said 'eyebrows will be raised' when the signings are confirmed.

"We have a two-fold strategy at the Kings to get our rugby to the very top, and it very much involves the Academy. Firstly, we have to develop high-performance rugby from the top down because we have not had top-flight rugby, but at the same time we will transform the union from the bottom up through the Academy. We will build from within," Solomons said.

Watson said that while buying a team for 2013 was not ideal it was necessary to get started.

"Ideally, you want to produce your own team and grow from within, and when you see how our talent is flourishing for other teams, the long-term future of the Kings is guaranteed because our schoolboy stars will now mostly choose to stay at home," he said.


  • John - 2012-07-10 12:16

    lag eke nou moer hard!

      Citroes - 2012-07-10 12:57

      Ek gun hierdie ouens die geleentheid, maar hulle moet dit verdien. Kom in die CC Premier Division en vertoon goed, en maak dan aanspraak op 'n plek in S15. Hulle kan nie eers iets wen teen die swakker spanne nie!

      jono.qmann - 2012-07-10 13:04

      Ek het gehoor die Kings gaan vir Morne Steyn koop vir n Coke en n Pie aangesien Pollard nou daar is!? weet nie hoe waar dit is nie...dit mag dalk 2 pies wees!?

      christo.t.ferreira - 2012-07-10 14:06

      OP het Super 10 gespeel, toe was dit net 3 SA spanne. Het julle VERGEET ?????

      dewald.botha.50 - 2012-07-10 14:17

      Dink julle hulle het vir John, Rose, Bakkies, Fourie en Rossouw gekoop? Lag my gat af oor daai begin "statement". As 'n span soos die Lions wat die Currie Cup gewen het, sukkel in S15, hoe de donner dink hulle, hulle gaan dit doen terwyl hulle nie eers die 2de liga kan wen nie! Talk is cheap in EP!

      nick.armstrong.1800 - 2012-07-12 14:30

      John - exactly mate! The Kings are a JOKE! Solomons talks about players being lured to the "glamour provinces" - and that's why they have not been competitive... RUBBISH! The greater PE/Uitenhage area is much, much bigger than; with many, many players than - Kimberley, for example... So, Mr. Solomons - how has Griquas - such a small city compared to PE/Uitenhage - with 1/50 the number of club players - then still competitive??? Answer that!! Griquas would THRASH the useless Kings!! Kimberley and Bloemfontein - 2 cities smaller than PE/Uitenhage - with far less schools too - yet have much, much stronger rugby teams than the political puppets - the Kings! Explain that Mr. Solomons!! How does Kimberley manage to produce (and keep) players - that sustain a high, competitive, level of rugby??? Surely PE would be seen as a more obvious "glamour destination" - than Kimberley...??????? You talk rubbish. You see - Griquas is run by genuine rugby men - who know and feel ther rugby. The Kings - and the Watsons - are political rubbishes - as incompetent and incapable as their masters - the ANC! Ahhh - yes - the Kings are going on a buying spree... Wait a minute - what about this huge "pool of black rugby talent" we keep hearing about - ad nauseum - that's just waiting to 'burst forth" in the E.Cape...??? Why buy players - I mean, hey - you have them all right there - let's see a Kings team with 10 to 12 black players in their starting XV next year......... Haal uit en wys..!!!!!!

  • dale.cuthbertson.7 - 2012-07-10 12:19

    Bonus points for the next 5+ seasons! Many records will be broken :)

      thomas.cannon.712 - 2012-07-10 20:57

      Are ready to go and will be competitive!?!?! Ready means you have a team to put on the field now, which they haven't so how competitive can you be????? We see our talent flourishing for other teams!!!! Do you think your talent going to rush back or never leave because you been given S15 status??? Ask the Stormers and Cheetahs if you can't work that one out!!

  • bulla.loftus - 2012-07-10 12:22

    Competitive? hahaha! Are you guys even competitive in the Currie Cup? O...SORRY, i forgot, you guys don't play in the Currie Cup.

      christo.t.ferreira - 2012-07-10 14:05

      Ja lag maar. As dit nie vir al die OOS KAAP spelers was nie, dan was bulle, sharks etc ook maar NIKS NIE !!!

      jean.rossouwsa - 2012-07-10 14:09

      O hoe waai hier nou n klomp snt S15 se kant toe, noggal met n ooster uit die baai uit! hahahaha

  • mardeo.bezuidenhout - 2012-07-10 12:25

    Lag mar, die Kings is hier om te bly!! Onmoontlik dat enige span swakker as die Lions kan vaar. The time for change is now!!!

      John - 2012-07-10 12:27

      rook jy iets of is jy so gebore???

      John - 2012-07-10 12:28

      Lions sal die Kings 50-0 wen. Die Kings kan nie eers die Vodacom Cup wen nie

      mardeo.bezuidenhout - 2012-07-10 12:33

      So jys ook 1 van dai vertomende intilegente ouens wat dink dat dit die selfde spelers gan wees wat nie di vodacom cup kan wen nie?? het jy die artikel gelees of comment jy net vi di sake of comenting? spelers gan gekoop word, want met nuwe strukture kom geld (sponsors) & met geld kom spelers. eenvoudige konsep as jy probeer verstaan.

      bennie.theunissen.3 - 2012-07-10 12:57

      Nou vertel my gou Mardeo? Julle kan nie slegter as die Leeus nie....mmmm, hoe kom jy op daai een af? Daar word nou al van die aankondiging gedoen is belowe dat daar nuwe spelers is, nog niks het gerealiseer nie...weet jy hoekom...want dis 'n geliegery en 'n bedrieery. Daar is niemand wat nog geteken is nie. Ry die soustrein ou maat..jy stem seker ANC ook, want julle demand mos net! Geen promosie of relegasie wdstryde nie. Op julle tyd en op julle terme..met julle sogenaamde "nuwe" spelers...bring it on!! Maar julle wil nie, want julle gaan julle gatte sien en dan is daar weer oproer in die strate....we demand mos!!! Belaglik man!!

      bryan.s.mcconnell - 2012-07-10 12:57

      Right now, the Lions team will put 60 points plus over the Southern Kings..... Dont be such a twat!!

      mardeo.bezuidenhout - 2012-07-10 13:03

      bennie, as niemand nog geteken het ni, wat maak Killian & nokwe in PE? Wat maak Schalk ferreira hier? Dis moeilik om spelers te teken,want saru gee geen clarity op die saak ni. die meeting wat op 13/07 moes plaasvind is alweer uitgestel. Niemand gan teken vi n 1 jaar kontrak ni. di ouens is opgeline,almal wag in spanning vi saru. Lions is elke jaar laaste, onmoontlik kan enige span swakker doen.

      mardeo.bezuidenhout - 2012-07-10 13:10

      Jamba, as jy rugby wil praat praat, as jy skool wil gee dan kan jy dit ook doen.

      bennie.theunissen.3 - 2012-07-10 13:13

      Daar se jy dit self, niemand is geteken nie...dis 'n geliegery oor en oor! Nokwe en Killian??? Kom nou man, hulle altwee se kontrakte is gekanselleer by hulle bestaande unies...jy gryp na gras halms. Enige ware rugby ondersteuner sal saam stem dat hierdie manier van dinge doen is skokkend. Dit is nie in belang van SA Rugby nie. Speel Premier CC en raak betrokke in 'n semifinaal, dan praat ons weer!

      mardeo.bezuidenhout - 2012-07-10 13:19

      Bennie, so jy glo dis onregverdig dat die kings ingesluit word bo n span wat elke jaar hul naam knatter maak op die veld? Hoe is dit regverdig dat dat Gauteng 2 spanne het( 1 kompeteer, 1 glad nie ) maar in die oos kaap het ons niks? hoe regverdig is dit? Verdien almal ni dieselfde kanse in SA rugby ni?

      bennie.theunissen.3 - 2012-07-10 13:24

      Die feit egter Mardeo is dat die 2 Gauteng spanne waarna jy verwys, is die enigste SA spanne wat die Superreeks kon wen! Ek se weer, as my span teen julle verloor in 'n promosie/relegasie wedstryd met julle nuwe spelers, dan staan ek terug en aanvaar dit, want dit is hoe dit werk. DIT is regverdig. Jy verdien niks, jy werk vir dit!!

      Stormkaap - 2012-07-10 13:56

      Mario one things these okes dont know is that there has always been a wealth of talent from the EP.. Hannes Marais, Garth Wright, Gavin Cowley, Danie Gerber, The Du Plessis brothers, Domkrag, And a host of black players that if i mention them, most of you on this forum wouldnt know over and above the guys you love to hate viz, Valence, Dan and Cheeky Watson. What you must acknowledge is that SARU allowed rugby in these areas to degenerate. The question that must be answered is is it wrong to revitalize the sport in the area? I dont think so.

      bulla.loftus - 2012-07-10 13:59


      jean.rossouwsa - 2012-07-10 14:10

      Vra die Shark hoe swak die Lions is. Hulle wen die CurryCup en julle qualify nie eers nie!

      Morne - 2012-07-10 14:14

      Boet they lost 87 - 0 to the Lions in the beginning of the year so ye the time for change (Bonus Points ) has arrived

      dewald.botha.50 - 2012-07-10 14:20

      Die Rebels het ook gekoop! Se my waar le hulle! Verloor teen die Lions!

      bulla.loftus - 2012-07-10 14:40

      @mardeo. Tot jou kind lag vir jou op jou profile pic...

      rudolphhermanus.meyer - 2012-07-10 15:08

      as die kings maar net nie teen die swakste span in die sa super 15 reek met hoeveel punte verloor het 84 punte

      brandewijn.vancoke - 2012-07-10 15:41

      almal praat van promo relegation wedstryde... in sokker (english premierlship) is daar ni promo relegation nie. As jy onder eindig val jy uit... Dit is seker een van di mees suksesvolste ligas in di wereld. (ek weet dit is sokker, maar die uitleg is baie dieselfde). Laat di Lions uitval en as di kings dan swak doen laat hulle uitval. So is daar darm motivering vir die onderste spanne ook. (weet net nie of sponsors sal hou van so formaat nie)

      bennie.theunissen.3 - 2012-07-10 17:16

      Die feit is ook dat in sokker is die spanne min of meer op dieselfde vlak. Dit beteken jy vervang 'n goeie span met 'n goeie span. Op enige gegewe dag kan die span wat vervang word verl;oor teen 'n span in die onderste liga! Dit is nie dieselfde nie!

      brandewijn.vancoke - 2012-07-11 07:58

      nie selfde nie - in rugby kan die onderste spanne ook die boonste spanne wen op n gegewe dag. kyk na die huidige super liga log. Die blues het die bulls gewen, die rebels het d saders gewen en die lions het die sharks gewen. dit net waaraan ek kan dink. ek seker daar was een of twee ander "upsets" ook in d seisoen.

  • mardeo.bezuidenhout - 2012-07-10 12:29

    Ja bulla, julle is vinig om vingers te wys, maar hoeveel O.P manne is daar tussen jou bul span? Tel bietjie... Selle kan van die sharks & WP gese word. Lat dai ouens huis 2 kom dan sal ons baie meer as competitive wees.

      abri.coetzer - 2012-07-10 12:45

      Die feit dat spelers ex OP manne maak nie saak nie. Die ouens gaan nie OP toe gaan nie. Die dae van bly in jou tuis unie is verby. Kyk maar na die Cheetahs. As hulle al hulle spelers kon hou, sou hul rugby baie anders lyk. OP moes eers met hulle slim plan probeer om Currie beker te speel, dan SR. Wat gee die OP meer reg om daar te wees as die Grikwas? Grikwas speel darem nog steeds Currie beker.

      mardeo.bezuidenhout - 2012-07-10 12:53

      Weer n eenvoudige konsep- Griekwas se top spelers speel super rugby(saam vrystaat) OP,SWD & Border is die enigste spanne wat nie aan enige super span verbonde is nie. die presiese rede hoekom die Kings geskep is. Jys reg,x OP manne sal 10 @ 1 ni trug kom ni,maar nou kan ons verhoed dat die jong spelers hulle volg deur n environment te skep waar hulle kan speel.

      mardeo.bezuidenhout - 2012-07-10 12:57

      abri, nog n punt. Mense is vinnig om te se spelers verlaat die vrystaat, onthou 1 ding, ja grey bloem is elke jaar sterk, dit maak die vrystaaat span sterk,dan wai hulle uit die vrystaat. Hoeveel van dai spelers is actually in vrystaat gebore & hoevell kom van CPT, PTA, Durban ens. Hul ouers het hul na arguably di top rugby skool toe gestuur, maar eventually gan hulle huis toe & speel vi ander unies.

      bulla.loftus - 2012-07-10 13:50

      Sekerlik gaan jy nie vir R1000 werk as jy iewers anders R2000 aangebied word nie...? Money talks. As die kings dit op meriete verdien het, dan sou niemand niks gese het nie! Maar nou ja, dit gebeur as politiek in sport inmeng.

      H3nka - 2012-07-10 15:09

      Mardeo sukkel om die logiese konsep van regverdigheid te verstaan. So Mardeo staan nogal kans om in die presidensie te dien...

      brandewijn.vancoke - 2012-07-11 08:07

      logiese konsep. Super rugby = tvgelde & sponsors = fonse = spelers. MAW:sonder super rugby kan j nie spelers bekostig nie. Die lions het dit self gese... sonder super rugby sal di unie dit ni maak ni. Nou hoe verwag mense moet ander unies dit reg kry. En al kry n "kleiner" unie soos di Kings die fondse sal hul net redelike goeie spelers kan kry en ni top spelers ni. Want top spelers soek die blootstelling van super rugby om di bok span te haal. MAW hoe langer SARU vat om hul besluit te maak hoe moeiliker sal dit wees vir die Kings om spelers aan te teken en kompeterend te wees volgende jaar. Hulle is huidiglik besig om nie net die kings se kaanse op te neuk nie, maar ook die lions met onsekerheid. Hou op klippe gooi na kings toe, gooi dit na SARU toewat die probleem oorspronklik geskep het met lee beloftes al amper tien jaar terug wat nogsteeds ni nagekom was nie. Ek seker hul kon in tien jaar die probleem opgelos het as hul regtig wou.

  • mvw74 - 2012-07-10 12:32

    Sounds interesting surely they can do beter than the Lions and give us more competition. Good luck guys!

      sean.lambie.3 - 2012-07-10 12:52

      Yeah right , Lions will thump them over over again !!!

      luke.sportify - 2012-07-10 13:24

      @ Sean, lets wait and see. Smart money on the Kings being a pretty decent side in a few years.

  • warren.carne.9 - 2012-07-10 12:37

    \Rebuilt under Cheeky Watson\ if he didn't mess it up,it wouldn't have needing rebuilding.

      mardeo.bezuidenhout - 2012-07-10 12:49

      Dude,how did Cheeky mess it up? do u knw anything about EP rugby. There was a time(b4 Cheeky) where our players had to work normal jobs & after work hit the field,like a club side & yes it showed on the park as it was impossible to be competitive. Things have changes considerably & for the better since Cheekys ben involved'. We would never have dreamt of competing in the big league if it wasnt for Cheeky & his team, but here they are now, ready to go!!

      luke.sportify - 2012-07-10 13:24

      @ Warren, you are pretty clueless....

      Stormkaap - 2012-07-10 13:57

      Mardeo, these are okes who just wish to bash for the sake of bashing.

  • lablue.phoenix - 2012-07-10 12:37

    Well they can't be that much worse than the Lions ... or can they? Let's find out once and for all next season.

  • lionel.kemm.9 - 2012-07-10 12:38

    Not to sure if the Kings rugby team is ready but Nelson Mandela rugby stadium and the supporters are more than ready.

      Stormkaap - 2012-07-10 13:58

      Yeah, maybe we should rename the franchise the Lion Kings!!!

  • david.w.bakker - 2012-07-10 12:43

    What are you guys smoking in PE

  • Provence - 2012-07-10 12:45

    So, do they have a team yet?

      dieter.muller.942145 - 2012-07-10 12:54

      poppie kyk jy maar net jou 7de laan en was jou skottelgoed, los die rugby vir die manne!

      luke.sportify - 2012-07-10 13:30

      @ Provence, the 3 teams which will make up the Kings are currently playing in the Currie Cup first division. If need be they could put a side together who would probably give the Lions a good go. Once their participation is guaranteed then they should be able to buy a few more which will make them more competitive

      lablue.phoenix - 2012-07-10 15:23

      Dieter, daai sexist jokes was funny om en by die tyd wat Chuck Norris jokes snaaks was.

  • hugh.olphart - 2012-07-10 12:47

    So Solly, think your team can beat the Lions? Your knowledge of rugby is suspect at best. Weren't you the dope that fired Jake White from the Springbok squad, citing that he was nothing more then a video editor?

      Stormkaap - 2012-07-10 13:59

      Hugh it Jack was a video analyst for the Bokke,

      hugh.olphart - 2012-07-10 14:46

      Yes and got fired because Solomens didnt see his worth.

      sean.lambie.3 - 2012-07-12 00:46

      eish , I didn`t know that . Read here

  • Francois - 2012-07-10 12:47

    should be a good laugh

  • ruan.vanniekerk.754 - 2012-07-10 12:55

    Worrie nie wat julle selfsugtige ondersteuners se nie. Cats en toe lion het hul kans gehad. Dis nou kings se beurt. Go kings!!!

  • RudiPollard - 2012-07-10 12:57

    The Kings does not deserve their place in Super Rugby!!! All they have proven since the start is that they are absolute rubish!!! They could not beat the sharks or the WP in the Vodacom cup and that is the unions B teams!!! Im afraid we are going to see some cricket scores in next years tournament!!! Crusaders 156 - 3 Kings... Hierdie mense rook almal iets!!!

      dieter.muller.942145 - 2012-07-10 12:59

      Crusaders? dieselfde Saders wat verloor het teen die Rebels?

      luke.sportify - 2012-07-10 13:32

      @ Rudi, what are you going on about...

  • hc12345 - 2012-07-10 12:57

    Ready for cricket scores.....98 - 6......78 - 0.....109 - 12.....89 - 3.....

  • jed.vonallemann - 2012-07-10 13:03

    Funny how the Kings supporter's are quick to talk about how the Lions aren't performing, but happen to neglect the fact that Eastern cape rugby has been under performing for the past 2 decades? They participated in the Super 10 and ended rock bottom and were replaced by Western Province. They followed that up with 2 bottom placed finish's in the Currie cup. Then the Currie Cup was split into 2 divisions , they finished bottom in 2000 and 2001 of both divisions.(After a period of neglect since the advent of professional rugby, the game in the Eastern Cape has been rebuilt under Cheeky Watson.)? You don't get sponsorship if you don't win, bottom line. The Lion's won the Currie cup, and received a decent pay out for it. What has Eastern cape rugby done to deserve backing? You got yourself into that hole, why should you be given a free ride to the top?

      bennie.theunissen.3 - 2012-07-10 13:07

      Well said Vallemj!! Punt....Politiek en siek politiek oor en oor! Die groot tragedie is dat dieselfde mense wat die ANC kritiseer, ry nou dieselfde soustrein...hoe kan jy 'n span uitgooi en vervang met 'n swakker span. Bring die ANC Kings!!! Hulle sal maar 'n paar ANC fat cats moet in span om daai ene te wen!

      gordon.pillay.73 - 2012-07-10 13:12

      It will be funny to see how well they will do chop!

      jed.vonallemann - 2012-07-10 13:22

      gordon , I would put my house on the Kings losing every game by record amounts. As i said pillay they should not be there. I for one will be booing them when they run onto the field and I'm sure there are allot more people who will be doing the same.Chop.

      gordon.pillay.73 - 2012-07-10 13:59

      Time will tell chop!

      bulla.loftus - 2012-07-10 14:28

      Can't wait for the games between the bulls/stormers vs All mighty Kings. Nederlaag!

      dewald.botha.50 - 2012-07-10 14:36

      Could not say it any better!

      selma.botha.9 - 2012-07-10 15:47

      With the ANC behind them their financial backing is secured.

      albert.viljoen - 2012-07-11 09:21

      2000 EP was 9th / 14 in CC tied with the Blue Bulls (BB) and lost final BB after ending top of the log in the Bankfin Cup. 2001 EP was 3de on the Bankfin Cup log. Vallem what do you know about PE? Lions have all the money around them and still can’t get a proper sponsor. Blue Bulls are part of the Regional team the Bulls. SARU decides who will play Supper Rugby not the Blue Bulls (BB) or Golden Lions (GL) they are only part of the region. Bulls = BB, Falcons and Pumas. Lions= GL, Leopards. Stormers=WP, Boland and SWD. Sharks=KZN Sharks, Border and EP. Cheetahs= FS, NFS and GLW. This is how they decided to share the regions but the major players in all the areas hijacked the regional teams by luring players from EP, SWD, Boland etc. after 1 year playing for the regional side. Deon Kayser left EP after 1 year with the Sharks - they said come play for us then you will be seen – just to name one. SARU pay the first let’s say R25k per month per player in the Super squad thus if you (let’s say Bulls) choose only BB players you will save on salaries. So that is why they rather get the smaller partner players to join them. NO union Earned or DESRVED their place in Super Rugby it is given by SARU. The Lions did not EARN their place they got it. Now it is time that it is given to the Eastern Cape that does not have a Super Team. All the smaller unions stopped participation in the Regional teams as they just lost players ever year to the Larger partners (KZN Sharks) in the case of EP.

  • ockert.j.dupreez - 2012-07-10 13:04

    Finally, They're bringing some comedy to the game of rugby! Kings will get nowhere

  • pieter.thefuture - 2012-07-10 13:05

    there is nothing wrong with buying a team, just look at the bulls - until they started to buy players, they were last in the super12, as I am sure they would still be if they only used local players. Just remember to include a few players of colour, that is the reason why you guys got the spot in superugby.

  • enrico.oosthuizen - 2012-07-10 13:07

    Whether they can beat the Lions is totally irrelevant and has should not have any bearing. Unfortunately due to the ineffiency by Saru someone has to make place for the Kings and we all know the Lions has been the weakest SA team for the last few years now. The Kings deserve their chance on the Super Rugby stage and we should all wish them well. We can be assured they will add reinforcements and I'm not backing against them to beat a few Aussie sides next year.

      bennie.theunissen.3 - 2012-07-10 13:09

      Tell me Enrico, how do they deserve their chance? Please let me know....

      enrico.oosthuizen - 2012-07-10 13:26

      Bennie, the Eastern Cape region is the only region in SA without a Super Rugby team. If you look at Australian & New Zealand demographics, all the teams represent a region of the country. In Gauteng, the smallest province in the country, they have two SupeRugby teams within 100km from each other. I'm not saying they should merge, but I'm just making a point. So from that point of view they deserve the chance. Imagine what it will do to the development of the game in EP, Border & SWD. A lot of talented young players will be able to stay in their province with the prospect of playing SupeRugby. At the present moment the best players get absorbed by the bigger unions. I also believe that more players out of favour at the Big Four (Lions not so big anymore), talented players for that matter, will consider a move to the Kings to play SupeRugby before going for an overseas option. You can't honestly say that they will forever be the whipping boys of the competition. Yes, they will lose and sometimes will lose heavily, but the fact is given time, there will be progress. Ask yourself this: Would this have been an issue had the Lions not lose their status?

      freddie.f.strydom - 2012-07-10 13:49

      Hey enrico, all good and well... But buying players like micheal killian will only make you loose young talent! Look at wp and the whole pollard story! The lions and the cheethas have not grown in 5 years, what gives you the idea ep would? Surely if that was true, ep should atleast have won the vc! Not so? But instead you guys took a step backwards! So buying a nz coach is demographicaly good for ep? How does that bring transformation into it? And all ep has bought so far are white players? So please explain how they now deserve a chance and not griquas or boland for that matter!

      jed.vonallemann - 2012-07-10 13:57

      Enrico, again I ask you what has Eastern cape RUGBY done to deserve a spot in the competition. Super Rugby is a show case of the quality of rugby in the southern hemisphere not a play ground for development. The Currie Cup is more suited for development. The fact that Eastern cape does not have a Super Rugby Franchise should not be grounds for there inclusion in Super rugby. You mention Border and SWD in your argument another 2 teams who in my opinion have nothing to offer. What does this do to a side like Griquas who have produced the likes of matfield and basson and have been competing with the top 4 in the Currie Cup consistently, you give the best players in Griquas an opportunity to play Super rugby for the Cheetah's but what about the rest who have helped Griquas to reach those heights, sorry you in the wrong location so no matter how well you perform as a team you will never get Super rugby status?

      lean.sadie - 2012-07-10 14:51

      I Agree, it can be good for SA rugby as a whole. Some new stars might come out from there which we never knew of. Lots of EP born players play in other teams. It is good for SA rugby as a whole. OFC it would be better if the Lions could still stay in, but I guess we will see how that cookie crumbles.

      enrico.oosthuizen - 2012-07-10 14:57

      Hey Freddie. Thanks for the reply. Just to be clear: I have and will always be a WP/Stormers fan. In this case I'm just a neutral rugby fan thinking with my head. The Kings will be the mother of EP, Border & SWD. Don't forget that a lot can happen between now and the first game next year especially in terms of new players being added. Besides, worst case scenario is they will get beaten badly, but the Lions now and the Bulls of the early 2000's know about that and look how the Bulls turned out. You're only thinking for today. Start thinking for tomorrow.

      enrico.oosthuizen - 2012-07-10 15:19

      @vallemj: do you want every performing team to get SupeRugby status? To me, the fact regional argument in itself are grounds for their inclusion. From then, in can only get better. SARU messed everything up and we should take nothing away from the Kings. We'll talk again in a couple of years. I promise you rugby in the region will improve because of the King's inclusion.

      lindy.leroux - 2012-07-10 15:42

      What about Limpopo, they also do not have a Super rugby side, they are affiliated with the Bulls, but none of their players get looked at by the bulls, so so you think they also deserve a place in Super rugby?? what about the Pumas, they also have no Players Playing in Super Rugby, do you think they also deserve a chance in Super Rugby??? " J " Do you think that loosing 80-0 to another side is good for development? Losing by big margins is more damaging to any player than the Status of playing Super rugby is good for them!!!! It does not matter who says what, the other provinces supporters will not agree with this, EP' supporters will because it means they will get to watch super rugby in there home stadium, but it will always be know as the Political move in SA Rugby!!!! but You won't care about that, because you get what you want, put yourself in the position of the Lions(who will Probably make way) would you like it if you get replaced in Super rugby by a team that You beat by 70 point earlier in the year Just because it is good for development???? Do you really think that youngsters from Pretiria, kzn wp will go to the EP to play Super Rugby with the bad name they've made for themselfs, or should i say Puke & cheecky Watson has made for them??? " J "

  • Magnus Kemp - 2012-07-10 13:09

    born in jhb but have lived most of my life in pe. (lions supporter to the last drop) think the idea of the kings playing next year is a joke! how have they earned it? it is sad a lot of young talent is leaving from here because of poor structures in place here etc etc but cheeky watson lost all my respect when he started mixing rugby with politics. as for his son... need i remind any of you what he said about our national team?

  • pieter.brown1 - 2012-07-10 13:14

    JA JA JA Hul is so reg hul kan dan nie eers die Vodacom Cup wen nie . Daar gaan SA RUGBY se name !!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • petrivoges - 2012-07-10 13:15

    Ai... as jy jou uitgee vir 'n toffie!

  • luke.sportify - 2012-07-10 13:21


  • andrew.cooks.5 - 2012-07-10 13:26

    This is on their website- Rugby in the Eastern Province has very strong and distinguished sporting, political, and cultural ties. You see, in the Eastern Cape, rugby is in our roots – it’s in the struggles of our generations past as well as our moments of glory, yesteryear sporting heroes and rugby legends. So, south africa has got a BEE team. Great, now players could be selected based on their skin colour and not ability. Im actually looking forward for them to play the sharks, bull or stormers, not even to mention the crusaders and chiefs. Its high time that SANZAR could see what is going on in our rugby, with our political ties.... Good luck Kings, you're gona need it!!!

  • selma.botha.9 - 2012-07-10 13:28

    Will Bakkies Botha, Fourie du Preez, Jacques Fourie, Twins, Danie Rossouw, Derick Hougaard, Butch James be the ones to raise eyebrows? Why is Danie Gerber, the prince of centres, not involved. De Wet Barry could not find a gap without a GPS. Eastern Province produced great Springboks in the past - let’s hope for the sake of SA Rugby and the EP faithful that they can be resurrected.

      luke.sportify - 2012-07-10 13:35

      please take time out and think before writing a comment on here. yours makes no sense at all... De Wet by the way is helping with defence, as for Danie, he played around 25 years ago.

      selma.botha.9 - 2012-07-10 15:42

      Where sense is wanting, everything is wanting. Stupidity is a talent for misconception.

  • pierre.fourie.90 - 2012-07-10 13:29

    Will this mean that the likes of Dewald Potgieter (Uitenhage), Jacques Potgieter (Uitenhage), Ryan Kankowski (Grahamstown) will return to their province of birth and high schools...? Probably not, but I hope this is a good start to retain talent.

  • paul.klaver.14 - 2012-07-10 13:36

    Die Kings span gaan n grap wees!!! As ek kan reg onthou het die Lions die Kings in die opwarmings wedstryd voor die seisoen begin het iets soos 88-0 gewen! Wat gaan gebeur as hulle teen die sterker unies moet speel.....200 - 0??!!!!!! What a joke!!!!!!!

      dieter.muller.942145 - 2012-07-10 13:54

      paul klavier, daai 88 - 0 score was nie teen die Kings nie ... dit was teen 'n span wat uit Grens en SWD se B-spanne gemaak is.... net nog 'n bewys hoe swak die Lions eindlik is, want 'n week vroeer het die EP kings daai span met 100+ punte gewen

  • Charles - 2012-07-10 13:42

    die joke van 2013!!! die manne kan nie eers die Pumas wen nie nou waar wil hulle gaan kompeteer????

  • P.J. - 2012-07-10 13:42

    Hulle gaan al die Kings se games so 10minute in die 2de helfte in stop, soos op laerskool!

  • david.s.duncan.1 - 2012-07-10 13:45

    The way SARU have dealt - or rather avoided - the issue has been very poor. If you remove the factor of merit from the equation for just a moment, there's no reason why EP couldn't produce a capable team within 5 years if they are managed properly. They will be thumped for the first 2/3 years but could be worth it in the long run. I do feel for the Lions. If they could lose a place in the Super Rugby competition, it could happen to any of us. Again, SARU have done a piss poor job handling the saga, but it's illogical for EP not to have a franchise. Sentiment aside, it's a good rugby decision and the long term benefits for SA rugby will be worth the strife (assuming proper management of the franchise)

      pieter.thefuture - 2012-07-10 15:28

      i do agree with you to a point, but I would have had the kings play in the currie cup premier division for the last few years. I cannot understand why Saru did not have them included since they knew they were going to give them a spot in the super15. If they were a premier division team, they would have had an easier task of getting sponsors, signing players and getting real matches against quality opposition, rather than playing against teams that any of the top teams would beat by 50 points every time. I think they have been set up to fail. Hopefully they can succeed despite Saru and not because of them.

      david.s.duncan.1 - 2012-07-10 15:43

      Short term its perhaps not the greatest decision but long term could pay dividends. Like you say, had SARU been a little more proactive, they would be far better prepared. I don't agree with them being dumped into the deep end though.

      david.s.duncan.1 - 2012-07-10 16:18

      Remove all the drama, a Super Rugby franchise in EP is good for SA rugby. It's the means towards the end that has been buggered up by SARU. In 10 years time everyone could be signing a different tune.

  • moregareth - 2012-07-10 13:59

    Great! A story about a South Africans rugby franchise brought to us by or "according to" NICE!

  • Deon - 2012-07-10 14:23

    Goeie nuus vir die blou bulle. Nou sal hul darem volgende jaar dalk iets wen

      bulla.loftus - 2012-07-10 14:49

      En die stormers dalk vier driee druk?

  • anton.vaneeden.9 - 2012-07-10 14:26

    Things have changed in EP rugby. Cheeky and Luke are earning big bucks now. Cheely has a top of range range Range Rover, He sorted his son out financially and he still rides the political gravy train as well.

  • - 2012-07-10 14:30

    Werklik jammer om te sien hoe die regering/saru/media die O.P. gebruik vir hul eie politieke speletjies…. Sou die Kings nie as n “getransformeerde, voorheen benadeelde” span bekend gestaan het nie, sou die hele land op hulle trots gewees het, net soos die Aussies op die Rebels…. Die inlaating is ongelukkig ten koste van n span, maar sou ons in n relugasie liga gespeel het sou die Lions in elkgeval uit geval het. Dit gaan op hierdie stadium dat die Kings in actual fact nie eers die Super 15 se swakste span (ongelukkig die Leeus) of die Currie Beker se 5de beste span (moontlik die Grikwas) kan wen nie, maar wel in gelaat word, juis oor sekere ouens soos Chieky Watson hul eie politieke agenda het…. Ek hoop nietemin hulle kry n paar kwaliteit spellers in ongeag hul kleur, sodat ons met trots nog n SA franchise met manne soos De Wet Barry en Solly agter die skerms kan ondersteun. In die selfde asem hoop ek n warrel wind waai vir CWatson Madagaskar toe want die politieke situasie is alreeds tens genoeg, en ons het manne soos daai nie nodig nie!

  • sandy.mciver - 2012-07-10 14:30

    we will never watch them!! stuff you Luke Watson!!

  • - 2012-07-10 14:33

    I remember something about the Sharks buying out EP during the coastal merge, when super 14 first started. So please don't say you were neglected. You chose the money & ran.

  • micheal.vandenberg.7 - 2012-07-10 14:44

    How about f*#king building your Sh*t team in the curry cup and not in Super Rugby!!! Stupid !!!!

  • lean.sadie - 2012-07-10 14:58

    Lots of people showing no respect, and are just plain childish. Let them get in, let's see what they can do before everyone judges. Even the Rebels aren't doing that bad, considering most thought they would be a walk in the park too. Yea they aren't doing great, but beating the crusaders is not a bad achievement. I For one would love to see what they can do, and nothing anybody says will change the fact they will be in the comp next year, so why be so childish about it? It is going to happen, live with it, or don't watch rugby. Plus, we would all laugh if they beat a few ausie and AB teams wouldn't we? Let's see what happens. Looking forward to seeing some more talent coming through.

      bennie.theunissen.3 - 2012-07-10 15:19

      Jeez lean.sadie! Let them get in?? How about earning it!

      bennie.theunissen.3 - 2012-07-10 15:21

      BTW, the Kings will play S15 in 2013, but not at the expense of one of the current franchises! They will not play S15 next year, live wit that!

      pieter.thefuture - 2012-07-10 15:34

      the kings should have been allowed to prove themselves in the premier division of the Currie cup. Saru should have allowed them to play as a franchise in the Currie cup for the last 2 years and that would have allowed them to be able to build a competitive team for super15, but as things stand now I see bleak times ahead for the Kings, and I cannot see them be competitive for at least 5 years. I hope I am wrong about this.

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-11 08:04

      Lean how old are you? You come off maybe 16 years old judging by your logic and reasoning on most points. Childish? What about your silly bla bla bla responses. Idiot

  • SeanV1982 - 2012-07-10 15:22

    I still say this is all politics. When the kings played all the super series teams earlier this year, they were crushed. Even the lions, who are being relegated, crushed them with a 40 points to something win. Now our country wants to put this team to play with the big boys? When will rugby be left to the people who love it and stay out of the government? I can agree on one thing. Its now a paid sport and I wonder paid in what method.

  • yagyah.rabin - 2012-07-10 15:27

    Stormers will get a 4try bonus point. Im a Stormers fan

      bennie.theunissen.3 - 2012-07-10 15:39

      They will get 2 for 8 tries!

  • andries.greeff.1 - 2012-07-10 19:02

    Political Muppets! Will fail like all other ANC inisiatives not based on merit.

  • leon.viljoen1 - 2012-07-10 19:53

    P*@$ Fu#%tup!!!!!!!!

  • matt.prinsloo.1 - 2012-07-11 08:23

    Amazing how many people judge the Kings, yet they are to play their 1st SR game.\r\n\r\nAlso, level the playing field and then you can expect of the Kings to \play\ for their spot. All 14 provinces in SA benefit from SRN except the 3 that make up the Kings. So once that playing field is level, then come up with your \let them deserve it\ type of comments.

      hugh.olphart - 2012-07-11 09:04

      Matt, no one objects to a EP representation, only problem is that currently they cant even play in the premier league Currie cup. Who wants to watch that type of rugby? Secondly the Murdock rules are that the strongest teams are to be selected, not the politically connected ones.

      matt.prinsloo.1 - 2012-07-11 09:23

      Again hugh. Why aren't they in CC? Not because there is no talent in EC, but rather because there is no SR. Griquas, Leopards, Pumas, Boland, etc all benefit from SR. Take those benefits away and then see where they end up. Why do u think the Lions are fighting for their spot. They know without it they will end up where Kings were 3 or 4 years ago. Look at the Bulls vs Sharks game - at least 10 players in the starting 15's are from the Kings area. We all know that players move after money, but surely if a region contributes so much, they should be allowed to at least compete on a level playing field, ie have the same benefits as the rest.

      matt.prinsloo.1 - 2012-07-11 09:31

      I have to add: this indecision and cowardness from SARU and is doing the Kings no favours at all. It is making it very hard to sign up players and build a squad in time for next year. Its almost like they are trying to set them up to fail. But in the end, we will take whatever you throw at us and continue building. In a few years time we know that we will be where we belong, amongst the best!!

  • byron.wright.102 - 2012-07-11 10:03

    Watch the SA derbies be refereed heavily in their favour! I hugely support this move thought let all the lions supporter make the short Drive to Loftus! Ya they are going to come last but heck how bad is that compared to the Lions overall performance in the last 5 years?

  • gerrit.volschenk - 2012-07-11 10:26

    My superbru vir 2013 kan ek net so wel nou doen. Southern Queens - 0 enige ander span 50+. Grootste grap is hulle verwag om van die ander provinsies se spelers te gebruik in die reeks.

  • will.bains.50 - 2012-07-11 12:30

    I am sure when the rebels and the force became s15 teams their country stood 100% behind them. A few years have passed and they are not doing well but they stil have their support. Why cant we do the same for the kings?

  • david.meredith.733 - 2012-07-11 15:38

    Cricket scores... Welcome to Super Rugby, Cannot imagine them Against the Crusaders??

  • JoffeyCampino - 2012-07-12 12:28

    In todays day and age, loyalty towards your union or what is now known as franchises is a thing of the past. Where money talks, the players will follow. It hasn't been officially announced that the Kings will feature in the next Super 15 competition until then they will go forth with their venture of their so called academy, which can't even beat a lowly ranked Division 1 CC side. So that leaves them with a situation of buying big name players and being able to play in the Super 15, big mistake on a business model if you want the club to be self-sustainable. So what do we have here? another Manchester City type of thing, the Kings get S15 rugby, sure they will break the bank and lure in players, didn't the Western Force and Melbourne Rebels do the same? Have the Rebels and Force humiliated themselves? No, honestly they haven't, The Rebels have shown glimpses of what they can do, defeating the Crusaders (7 time champions) Now I am not for this, from the days of the Super 10 to Super 15, Transvaal, Cats and The Lions have been part of this competition, who won't forget the horrible seasons the Bulls had late 90's, early 00's? if only the Kings had been knocking on the door, and SANZAR didn't want to allow more teams in the competition and left it at Super 12. I think we are stuck between a rock and a hard place, whatever the decision, not everyone is going to be happy about it.

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