SARU reassures Kings' status

2012-05-22 15:28

Cape Town - The Parliamentary Portfolio Committee on Sport was reassured on Tuesday that the Southern Kings would participate in the 2013 Super Rugby competition.

A delegation of the leadership of the South African Rugby Union (SARU) made a scheduled appearance before the committee to discuss a number of issues, including the Southern Kings.

“The Kings will play in the competition in 2013, but not at the expense of one of the other franchises,” Jurie Roux, the CEO of SARU, told the committee.

“Resolving that part of the equation is the issue at hand and we have a number of proposals to take to the Exco (Executive Council) and ultimately to the General Council for a decision in July.”

How SARU will resolve the issue remains a mystery though, with a local newspaper reporting on Tuesday that SARU is looking to possibly stick with its initial decision - where the last placed South African team in this year's Super Rugby competition will drop out. The Lions are currently the last-placed SA team, 13 points behind the Cheetahs, which would see them dropping out at the expense of the Kings. The report also indicated that a possible Cats merger (when the Cheetahs and Lions played as one team between 1998 and 2005) is out of the question.

SARU also briefed the committee on its Strategic Transformation Plan - which has been newly aligned to the Department of Sport’s National Sports and Recreation Plan - and also on the progress to establishing four SARU academies as a pilot project in Boland, SWD, Border and Eastern Province.

“It was a very productive and useful meeting, which gave us an opportunity to share our plans with the committee and understand the priorities and concerns of our parliamentary leaders,” said Roux.

“It was gratifying to be complimented on the improved quality of our presentation and for the professionalism of our organisation.”


  • Jason Neil-Boss - 2012-05-22 15:45

    What an embarrassment the Kings will be to SA rugby when they get thumped by every team in the S15 competition by at least 50 points!

      TheRealWarrenB - 2012-05-22 16:13

      Kind of like the Lions are currently doing!

      Johan - 2012-05-22 16:17

      Well if the currie cup champs cant even win anything imagine a team that can't even get to the currie cup or vodacom cup play offs and that were beaten 88-0 in a warm up game by teh lions... that bad !!!

      Luke - 2012-05-22 16:18

      Jason you sound like a broken record, come up with something we have not heard on here a thousand times...YAWN

      Slick - 2012-05-22 16:48

      Damn all you people condemning the Kings prematurely. DO ANY OF YOU KNOW what the team is going to be,etc etc??? NO you bloody well DO NOT and that's a FACT! So why don't U ALL grow the hell up and stop acting like school kids without any toys or magicians that can predict the future!!

      Harold - 2012-05-22 16:51

      Slick, relax china, you gonna pop a vein.

      Luke - 2012-05-22 16:59

      Well said Slick

      Rodney - 2012-05-22 17:16

      Too bad Jason ,Lions have messed up too many times move over .And Let the Kings have a go !

      Rugbyfan - 2012-05-22 17:56

      @TheRealWarrenB Please show me the 50+ score against the Lions - I can't seem to find it: Oh look, they thumped the Southern Kings 88-0 in Feb with 13 tries to zero. That and the fact that they played with their second string team really does show you the value of the Kings. @Slick, Luke & Rodney wanting the Kings to compete. You guys really are clueless about just how far they are out of their league and how badly they will be humiliated.

      Brandewijn - 2012-05-23 09:15

      The Kings team hat got thumped 88-0 by the lions did not include any of the EP players who are the stronger of the 3 unions. The current Kings team only lost by 15 points to the Stormers and the Sharks and in both games kept it very close till about 20 to go. (yes, it was fullstrenght sharks and stormers teams). Kings have a pretty decent starting 15 but have no depth. with sponsors and a few signings they will do better than most think. Yes they will most likely be wooden spoonists (like the lions) but I doubt whether they will get thumped by 50 or more each game. Everybody also keeps on talking about there vodacom cup performance.... They only used 6 starting players in the whole campaign. They used the vodacom cup top bleed some of the players from there academy to try and build squad depth. If you think that most of the team playing in the vodacom cup was 23 or younger and some of them still only 19 or 20 they did pretty well. We will only realy be able to see what they capable of in the currie cup.

      Lance - 2012-05-23 11:33

      @ Slick..I guess you can expect half the Lions trading jerseys for the Kings..its a logical option if they want to save face.

      joneethling - 2012-05-23 11:47

      Well done Saru. The Lions have failed to show an interrest in this competition. Where does the money go? If rookie teams like Western Force and the Rebels can buy top players, how come the Lions are run like an ameteur setup? Half their contracted players can be made available to the Bulls, and the other half to the Cheetahs. The last time the Lions ended up at the bottom of the log and were to be dropped from super rugby, the Cheetahs were unfairly forced to merge with them. They have had their shot, and time for them to start some real rebuilding. I think that with decent sponsorship, the kings can do what the Force and Rebels are doing - not be pushovers like the Lions.

  • Lionel - 2012-05-22 15:51

    SARU,you just hit yourself with the biggest plank possible,g@tkruipers to the members of parliament!!!!!!!

      Franklyn - 2012-05-22 16:31

      Jurie Rouxs fingers were crossed behind his back.

  • LaBlue - 2012-05-22 16:01

    I think they should merge the Kings with the Bulls. Luke Watson should captain them.

      Harold - 2012-05-22 16:03

      I think you can't think.

      Press - 2012-05-22 16:08

      Yes - there are many bulls in the eastern cape with which they can merge - Watson will be the ideal captain . . . .

      LaBlue - 2012-05-22 16:11

      Press, exactly. All the people I know that comes from the Eastern Cape, are Bull supporters. Now the Bull/Kings can play in EP as well, and convert Loftus into a soccer stadium.

      Anton - 2012-05-22 16:13

      Merge them with WP and call them Western Kings and whilst Puke played for WP he would understand the culture

      LaBlue - 2012-05-22 16:17

      Anton, don't be ridiculous now... This guy.

      Press - 2012-05-22 16:17

      LaBlue - you realize I was referring to real in situ bulls . . . ?

      Harold - 2012-05-22 16:24

      Anton, what culture?

      Franklyn - 2012-05-22 16:33

      perfect sense....the pink Queens.

  • thefantasyrugbyscout - 2012-05-22 16:08

    I say have a playoff between the Lion and the Kings during the international break. Winner takes all, Problem solved. My money is on the Lions.

      Harold - 2012-05-22 16:25

      Luke, all his 'thumbs up', suggest that you are the stupid looking one.

      thefantasyrugbyscout - 2012-05-22 16:30

      I think maybe that was Luke Watson? scared Luke?

      Rodney - 2012-05-22 17:19

      Scout , the Lions must go back to the drawing board , they have been stuck to the bottom of the Barrel for the last 5 seasons .They had their chances , Give the Kings a opportunity to perform

      Slick - 2012-05-22 17:47

      Luke you being silly with your comments. The Kings are playing in 2013. NOT IN A FEW WEEKS...ffs!

      Nico - 2012-05-22 18:31

      @Luke, I like to give u thumbs down, cause u r the one without an argument, or actually, a broken argument, here is your reasoning: when a relegation/promotion game is propose, u and u're buddies says it's a stupid idea because u don't have the team yet. when it's pointed out you going to loose by 50+ points each games, u all say it won't happen cause you have a much better team than your current team ..... so my question ... which one is it???

      Koos - 2012-05-23 00:37

      So Luke, what is your excuse going to be next year when the Queens gets wacked? Eish sorry, we only assembled our team this morning before the game? I feel sorry for you. One should support your team but to be stupid is a different ballgame all together.

  • boltonbarry - 2012-05-22 16:12

    I don't trust this. All I can say is watch this space

  • francie.potgieter - 2012-05-22 16:13

    The kings couldn't do anything in the Vodacom cup, what the hell are they going to do in the Super rugby competition. Even a bigger embarrassment as what the Lions are at the moment. Jip it help if you know chommies in high places hey Chippy.

      Rodney - 2012-05-22 17:20

      Cina Kings will be a different team once we have all the sponsors signed up and players fit to perform watch this space ! Go Kings

      Lance - 2012-05-23 11:45

      I doubt the Kings will make it too ...but money talks..lets wait to see what the player budget is..There will be many Lions available and you never know you could end up seeing guys like Pedrie and Ruan flying home to make an appearance..not to mention MANY Vodacom Cup stars from all Provinces who are salivating at the propsect of playing in the S15 level....

      joneethling - 2012-05-23 12:12

      There are one or two players at the Lions who are Super Rugby material, and would benefit from playing in a union that is professionally run. If the Kings get their act together with their sponsors, they can succeed. Look what the Bulls have accomplished by signing tallented players from all over. Spare a thought for the Lion's coach who has tried to make a silk purse out of a pigs' ear.

  • Papa-storm - 2012-05-22 16:14

    5+1=5 there is the problem with your equation SARU

      Franklyn - 2012-05-22 16:39

      5-1+1+1=5 hau....5+1-1+1=5 eish....5+1=6 aikona ! erm....Mr minister,SARU will make 5=6 !

  • Luke - 2012-05-22 16:17

    SARU, what an embarremsnt to the sport of rugby

      Harold - 2012-05-22 16:28

      I agree Luke, SARU is an embarrasmenenent.

  • Peter - 2012-05-22 16:39

    South African Maths 5+1=5

      Brandewijn - 2012-05-23 10:52

      hahaha - its not SARU's fault - it is the department of educations fault. :D

  • Slick - 2012-05-22 16:45

    Damn all you people condemning the Kings prematurely. DO ANY OF YOU KNOW what the team is going to be,etc etc??? NO you bloody well DO NOT and that's a FACT! So why don't U ALL grow the hell up and stop acting like school kids without any toys or magicians that can predict the future!!

      Charl - 2012-05-22 17:00

      So where wil thay find players?? En who wil wanna join them??

      Slick - 2012-05-22 17:54

      There are many players looking for work and many may well come from the TOP Vodacom teams. What's to stop them importing players.... Just like most current super teams are doing?? WP a prime example? Your reply was silly to say the least. When will ALL U people realize, the EP KINGS are NOT the SUPER KINGS!!

      Raymond - 2012-05-22 18:26

      True! There is no such thing as the Super Kings. Only a below par side with unrealistic visions of grandeur

      Sean - 2012-05-22 20:07

      @Slick The rationale behind giving the Kings a spot was to transform rugby in the Eastern Cape. Step 1: employ two New Zealand coaches Step 2: make a whitey captain Step 3: now you want to import players! How does this build up a rugby base, or transform rugby in the region? Lastly, the Lions are playing with a few too many Vodacom players in their squad this year due to injuries. Look where that has gotten them! Vodacom players don't often make the grade in Super Rugby. But hey the Super Kings will make it work where all the other franchises have failed...

      Pierre Bouwer - 2012-05-22 20:16

      Well the Kings are going to be a BEE team and there are not enough players to form a winning team. They can't perform in other competition and even got thrashed by the Lions before the start of the Super15. I don't see them winning a game at all.

      Fred - 2012-05-23 07:12

      Hayibo Slick, YOUR comment is silly! Maybe you must start formal schooling, because magigians do not predict the future!!! Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!! Please, my stomach is cramping already of laughing at you!!! There is no cure for stupidity!

      Luke - 2012-05-23 09:35

      @ Sean, if you want to do well you need to employ the best coaches available, make the best leader the captain and if needed import a few players in key positions Transforming rugby does not happen overnight, you need a winning culture with good structures to be able to transform players and turn them into future Boks. I am sure a few key Vodacom players from WP and Griquas would jump at the chance of playing Super rugby for the Southern Kings.

  • Charl - 2012-05-22 16:45

    One problem that saru didn't look at is that the super15 in a whole isn't run by black anc ppl. Thay can't force them in there. Atleast the nz and aus have brains

  • Gerhard Freyer - 2012-05-22 16:51

    Luke Watson, I presume?

      nicholas.hiltermann - 2012-05-22 17:01

      Seems to be, based on the fact that he lost the plot and managed to get everyone against him.

  • Glenn - 2012-05-22 16:53

    Well done SARU and the government, POLITICS AND SPORT ONLY WORKS FOR RUGBY. How can SARU say that the Kings participation in the Super 15 will not be at the expense of the current participants. Forcing the unions to merge is at the expense of both unions involved in such a merger. GO KINGS AND MAKE SA RUGBY THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE IRB

      Slick - 2012-05-22 18:00

      Genn you are dumber than DUMB! The Super Competition is a SANZAR tournament. NOT a IRB as such, tournament.....lmfaoooooooo!!!

      Sean - 2012-05-22 20:12

      Luke, the Lions know your financial backer! And before you go off about mismanagement do some research on all the reasons that relationship fell apart. Anyway Gumede is only in if SARU guarantee the Kings Super Rugby until 2015. The last report was that there will be promotion/relegartion matches after the 2013 season. So maybe he won't be prepared to take the chance. This obviously depends on SARU sticking to the previous press releases. I'm intrigued in how they'll make today's promises work?

  • Tim - 2012-05-22 17:03

    Parliamentry Portfolio of Sport! Now the truth is out, its to be a BBBEE team or so. How about a kings/lions merger: The Lion Kings, its worthy of a Disney type scenario. Watch that space. With the whole art issue, just as well they are no longer the Spears, or what. Ah well, thats life in Mzantsi.

  • micheal.moolman - 2012-05-22 17:42

    So! The Kings are in, well that's according to a local newspaper report today. You've got to feel for the squad of Lions players still having to finish of the current tournament, no matter how hard they play, that's it! It's all over at the end of the S15 season. Unless...most of the pride relocates to Dalgoa Bay or a few other provinces for next years S52... oops sorry S15.

  • Corne - 2012-05-22 17:55

    Thankyou Kings ,now we can see our favourite teams in P.E

  • Glenn - 2012-05-22 18:48

    @ Slick, if you do not understand the statement I made then I wonder who the DUMB one is. Super Rugby is watched world wide and not only by the SANZAR nations @ Luke, I would like to know how much the Kings teams will change from the team that played in the Vodacom Cup and the one going to play in the B Division of the Curry Cup. The Lions are not performing and have not performed in the Super Series but is that the solution.

      Brandewijn - 2012-05-23 09:36

      The team will change massively from the one in the vodacom cup. They only used 6 starting players in the vodacom cup campaign. The rest of the players where injured or being rested for the currie cup. Some players were on international sevens duty and will return beginning of June. The vodacom cup team was mainly under 23 and under 21 players. We will have to judge them on the curriecup team playing. with new coaches for the curriecup and 3-4 new signings already the curriecup team this year already looks a lot different from last year. Also most of the players will be back from injury by then so the team should look completely different to the one in the vodacom cup.

      Brandewijn - 2012-05-23 09:47

      players who did not play or played very little in the vodacom cup who will return are. Paul Perez, Luke Watson, Darron Nell, Jaco Engels, Monty Du Mondt, Louis Strydom, Falie Oelshig, Siyanda Grey, Barendt Pieterse. New players since last years currie cup - Jongi Nokwe, David Bullbring, David Snyman, Kevin Buys. (I know that none of these players are really big names but they do add experience to the young squad and they are better than the players who competed in the vodacom cup). If you add some of the players who played in the ovdacom cup like Clint Newland, Hannes Franklin, Jacques Engelbrecht you have a reasonably decent currie cup team. so let us judge them come currie cup. can not judge them on the vodacom cup as it wasn't there best team.

      Luke - 2012-05-23 09:48

      Cant find the full list of the senior players I saw a few weeks ago but I will keep looking, trust me about 5 of the 15 who started in the Vodacom Cup side will be in the match day 22

      Brandewijn - 2012-05-23 09:58

      Luke - agree. The starting players form the ones who lost to the pumas in the quarters are. Hannes Franklin, Clint Newland, David Bullbring, Jacques Engelbrecht, Jongi Nokwe, SP Marais. The rest are usualy on the bench or in the academy.

      Brandewijn - 2012-05-23 09:59

      You can see the EP squad on this site. If you add 1 or 2 SWD and bulldogs players and 5 - 10 signings it could be an "OK" squad.

  • Ken - 2012-05-22 21:15

    This is so F#ck&d-up, its frightening!!

  • Fred - 2012-05-22 23:20

    Well, it will be fun to see cricket scores again! Hahaha!

  • Johan - 2012-05-22 23:56

    Now Gumede will put in some BEE money, buy top white players and few locals to look the part and when they fail be looking (and getting) lotto money to keep the flagship going. Suddenly I started to like the Stormers!

  • Michael Kleber - 2012-05-23 06:44

    Where are the Kings going to get players ? all players are locked into contracts the only players that will be available in the super pool will be Lions players if they are excluded from super rugby , we don't have enough depth to field 5 super teams so the kings will be no better that the Lions were so SARU is achieving nothing by including the kings maybe they might kill rugby in Jhb

  • Jacques - 2012-05-23 08:06

    Biggest mistake saru can ever make!!imagine if the lions lose in super rugby what's not gonna happen to the kings on the trip down to crusader town!unimaginable!!

  • matt.prinsloo.1 - 2012-05-23 08:16

    Good news for the EC!! And also good to see it wont be at the expense of the Lions. SARU should sort out this mess though asap. Kings need clarity for their sponsors and time to contract players are running short. I expect a tough first season, but the franchise have enormous potential. We will take all your "I told you so" comments on the chin, but we also know this is a process the Kings will have to go through. With all this talk about the Kings, I'm sure they will be able to sign up some pretty decent sponsors. The publicity (whether positive or negative) around the team is huge. And regarding all your comments on the Vodacom Cup - good luck to you if you think that will be the Kings side to play in this years Currie Cup, and even more so if you think that will be the team for 2013.

      Sean - 2012-05-23 13:27

      Matt, how can the Kings be in and it won't be at the expense of the Lions or another current franchise? SARU are pulling the wool over your eyes mate.

      matt.prinsloo.1 - 2012-05-23 15:41

      lets see what suggestions they come up with...

      Sean - 2012-05-23 16:08

      The suggestion will be: "Kings in, Lions toast" followed by a very quick "we meant that it wouldn't be at the expense of any of the other franchises". SARU have a letter signed by the big 5 franchises saying they are against this. They [SARU] will bully the 9 small franchises to overrule this. So the Kings will win, but the small unions affiliated to the big franchises will suffer!

  • Francois - 2012-05-23 08:44

    I wonder which polotician Cheeky Watson has by the short and curlies to get this reassurance. What a joke. They cant even get to the quarter finals of the Vodacom cup. Bunch of incompetent idotic morons!

      matt.prinsloo.1 - 2012-05-23 11:40

      nee hel francois - jou comment reflekteer die hoogste intelligensie denkbaar. mooi man. jy doen ons afrikaanse mense baie goed

  • Brandewijn - 2012-05-23 09:25

    everybody also talks about losing a team with rugby history. The EP/SWD and Border region also has a rich history. The first rugby test was played in Port Elizabeth. They also produced some of the greats in the game. so as far as history goes it about the same. EP had a great rugby culture... died down a bit, but that due to no top class rugby and you will see that culture return when the big games come here.

  • Sean - 2012-05-23 11:19

    “The Kings will play in the competition in 2013, but not at the expense of one of the other franchises,” This statement is second only to "Extremely Cruel" on the side of a Sudoku puzzle! How on earth is it possible for SARU to pull this rabbit out of their hat? As far as I can see these are the options available: 1. Kings are in, all others are in - well SANZAR insists it is still the Super15. So no. 2. Kings aren't in - they did say the Kings would play in the competition, though they did not say which competition? Cynical but no. 3. Kings are in, Lions are out - this is at the expense of the Lions. Still no 3. Kings are in, Lions merge with another franchise - Finances would need to be shared so it would be at the expense of one franchise. So still no. 4. Kings are in, Lions merge with the Kings! - now this would be at the expense of the Lions, they receive less fees. It would also be at the expense of the Kings, they would receive all the Lions :-)! I can't see this happening but it is a possible [logical] solution to this farcical situation. 5. And then there is far left field. The Kings are in and the Lions are out. BUT unlike (2) there is some wheeling-dealing behind the scenes and under the counter in the good old SA way. Gumede buys 49% of the Kings from SARU; SARU donates these funds to the Lions; no "expense" to the Lions! Lastly there is always the most likely scenario that SARU lied to the sports committee!!!

  • Lance - 2012-05-23 11:39

    Does anybody know who of the Kings have already signed 2013 contracts ? Does anyone know what the Kings player budger looks like ? I will then look into my crystal ball and tell you where the Kings will be placing in next years S15 or the "S14 1/2" (if its the same Kings players)

  • Munro - 2012-05-23 11:55

    i say let the Kings and lions play off in a 3 match series and let the best team win , thats the team that goes through, easy peazy. done deal !!

      Lance - 2012-05-23 16:40

      I said suggested that as well Munro, but in the world of politics "fair play is not the way". Its supposedly a "developmental move" to better the E.Capes talent..great on paper, but they will need to buy some decent names to save face from the word go. Maybe in a few years time the local talent will be ready, but by then the stadiums will be competely empty..I feel for the E.Cape, but its not meant to be..

  • Champ - 2012-05-23 15:29

    There are many Stormer-supporters who hate the Bulls for example. But there are many more from all provinces who hates the Kings !!

  • LongSword - 2012-05-23 18:00

    The Kings as an organisation or a team have not earned anything besides being hyped, what have they won, what have they earned. It's all about using that stadium, why can't they form another team in Limpopo for example and then use the same reasons that created the Kings. This myth about EC being rich with black rugby players, a MYTH. SARU has been marinating in their own crap for a while, they must jus let the Kings earn a place in the Currie Cup first. Their attempt to be creative is not as good as Mr Bean.

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