SARU clarifies S15 confusion

2012-05-10 22:16

Johannesburg - The SA Rugby Union (SARU) on Thursday clarified the position on South African teams participating in the Super Rugby competition.

SARU said its executive council (EXCO) proposed at a special general meeting in January that the top four teams in the South African conference in this year's Super Rugby competition would join the Southern Kings in next year's competition.

The hotly debated issue should be settled at the next general meeting on July 13 in Cape Town.

The decision to include the Southern Kings in the 2013 Super Rugby tournament was made at the same meeting.

SARU revealed on Thursday that it had also been proposed that the last-placed team in the South African conference would play a promotion/relegation match against the non-Super Rugby franchise after the 2013 and 2014 seasons.

The franchises, however, requested at the same meeting that a decision on the mechanism of qualification be postponed to allow them time to make alternative proposals.

According to a briefing document on South African participation in the 2013 Super Rugby competition, SARU said the general meeting accepted the request.

SARU chief executive Jurie Roux, according to the document asked for it to be recorded that the delay in a decision was at the franchises’ request, therefore precluding them (SARU) from criticism of delays in any decisions.

At a meeting between the EXCO and franchise representatives it was decided that a delegation of franchise representatives would accompany SARU's SANZAR (Australia and New Zealand) delegates to meet SANZAR partners.

They intended to argue for the expansion of the competition to 16 teams to accommodate all six of South Africa's current franchises.

The meeting has since been postponed without a date being scheduled.

"Rugby has been consistently united in supporting the Kings' place in Super Rugby in 2013," said Roux.

"Our focus has been on finding a rugby answer to the questions that flow from that that's fair, transparent in its mechanism and will strengthen South African rugby in the long run. Those discussions continue.

"Until a final decision is reached, the franchises and the SARU presidency are agreed that it would be unhelpful to the competing teams to publicly debate the pros and cons of different scenarios.

"When a decision is announced we will be able to report back to rugby supporters in full."

SARU said franchise representatives and members of the EXCO would meet in Johannesburg on May 17 for further discussions.


  • Partiboy - 2012-05-10 22:24

    Easy decision, if the Kings can make it into the top four of the currie cup then they 'deserve' a spot in the Super rugby league!

      luvuko - 2012-05-10 22:43

      The Lions were first, look where they are now.

      Squeegee - 2012-05-10 22:48

      They can spin it any way they want - this is about politics and money. Stop the gravy train from stopping in Watson's back yard!

      Bryan - 2012-05-10 23:27

      So the lions are doing badly. Fair enough. Nevertheless, placing the Kings in the Super 15 is an insult towards the competition itself. Since when do you get a team jumping up 2 divisions? The EP Kings can barely beat the Griffons. What is going to happen if they were to play the Crusaders? 60-0? 100-0?

      Sean - 2012-05-11 00:36

      Even easier solution , the last SA team in the super rugby must play against the Southern Kings to see who qualifies for 2013 ???????????

      Press - 2012-05-11 01:34

      So its a done thing - the Lions will be shafted. What is happening to their long term financial commitments to retain an infrastructure to participate in the Super Rugby competition ? Any idiot would have agreed the Kings can be allowed into the competition if they replace te bottom team in a promotion/relegation game(s) played at the end of the season - this is going to be an unholy mess.

      Jacques - 2012-05-11 03:31

      Even if a relegation match is played I believe SARU will "coach" the ref to favour the Kings. Just get the Bulls and the Lions to merge. Pretoria and Joburg is so close together in any case. Call the team the Golden Blue Bulls and get them to wear pink....hahah

      John - 2012-05-11 07:19

      If this goes ahead I will support any team that plays against these idiots. This is exactly what happens when politics and sport mix. We don't want to boycott our beloved unions as they still require the gate takings to survive, so perhaps a boycott on SA games is where it will hurt SARU the most.

      Pete - 2012-05-11 07:20

      The Kings are hoping, with a spot in the super 15, to attract better players. that rules out a playoff with the lions because they will need to use their current side and will get smashed. SARU expected the nod for 6 SA teams (idiots) which won't/shouldn't happen, so now what, delay, delay and hope SANZAR change their minds? SARU is at fault for this, what makes Southern Kings so special anyway? win something first!

      Gungets - 2012-05-11 07:38

      They are going to give Cheeky a one year shot, just like they gave his boy a one game shot. Not that I hate it - the Eastern Cape is probably the second best SA rugby nursery after the Western Cape, so to reward and nurture that is brilliant, but long term survival means business support (and business is dead or dying in the EC) and crowds (can PE consistently produce 20,000 plus crowds for S15 games.). It is about much more than the blue slip!

      Squeegee - 2012-05-11 07:38

      Breaking News: ANC has announced that Mdluli's new position is scrumhalf at the Kings.

      Gary - 2012-05-11 07:41

      I am with you John. I will go buy my All Black Jersey and Aus Jersey and wear it to watch every game the Kings play against overseas opponents .... and smile and celebrate as they get thumped.

      Koos - 2012-05-11 08:33

      John: South African rugby supporters are suckers. The stadia will be full again at every bok game.

      Allan - 2012-05-11 08:42

      It's all about Watson been Cheeky

      pieter.thefuture - 2012-05-11 09:15

      Easy solution- the team that ends last this year just changes their name to southern kings - that way they can stay in the comp and Saru would have kept their promise to include the "southern kings" in the super15

      Ray - 2012-05-11 09:33

      @Squeegee-Only half correct-he will play scrumhalf and also be the referee

      Press - 2012-05-11 10:53

      @Squeegee 7:38 - at least the kings will know the oppositions lineout calls before running out . . . .

      Geoff - 2012-05-11 11:01

      Surely they must win the Currie Cup because the team they are likely to replace are the Lions who are the Currie Cup Champs!!!!

  • Freddie - 2012-05-10 22:26

    This smells like a lot of load of bull dust!!! Lions players are leaving as we read this and so the union will fall to pieces as they have players to pay contracts that where signed and now? Put them out on the street??? How??? And its no use the kings buy them, cause then why did the kings get its place in the super comp anyway? I feel for the lions and the kings, as saru is to blame ere! Man up saru and fix this bulls##t you created!!! You playing with peoples lifes ere, not monopoly money! WAKE UP SARU!!!

      maarten.slabbert.7 - 2012-05-10 22:55

      It is a sad day for the Lions. That said, I would love to see Josh Strauss play for the Bulls. We really need a no. 8.

      Press - 2012-05-11 11:24

      Yes and tell us SARU - who "inherits" the feeder unions of the Lions for the next two seasons of Super Rugby ? Also explain will it be the curry-cup teams that compete for a place in super rugby when it is a collection of franchises playing in the super competition ? Also explain to usSANZAR where the money is coming from to fund a 6th playoff grouping in Super Rugby when you will only recieve income for 5 from the competition. Or will the poor bugger who will be challenging the Kings be left to their own resources to fund their challenge. Also tell us SANZAR are you going to pump similar amounts into the Lions and Kings over the next three years ?

  • Johann - 2012-05-10 22:35

    Please not another losing team...I say make it Super 14 - drop the Lions and don't allow the Kings...Kings struggled in the First Division of the Currie Cup last year...

      Daniel - 2012-05-10 22:46

      I thought it was the vodacom cup!!!!

      Marcel - 2012-05-11 08:05

      @daniel, they struggle in the vodacom cup, 1st div currie cup, they struggle every where

      Clive - 2012-05-11 08:36

      Don't drop the LIons, drop the Rebels. The Aussies don't have the depth of talent that we do. Please don't get me wrong: their top players are every bit as good as ours or the Kiwis.

      fanie.smit.5 - 2012-05-11 08:37

      Johan they do not play in the Currie Cup. they play Vodacom. they can not even perform there. This is the thing that baffels everybody, but then you must remember that eastern Prov is the most corrupt province in SA.

      Johann - 2012-05-11 08:57

      Guys, the EP Kings finished 2nd in the Currie Cup First Division last season...please, before you comment on stuff verify your facts. The SA Currie Cup has a Premier League and a First Division.

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-05-11 13:07

      thought the Southern Kings were make up of the EP Kings/Border and SWD Not just the EP Kings Surely there is some talent between the 3??

  • Citroes - 2012-05-10 22:45

    A fair outcome would be a home and away promotion/relegation match situation. If you're good enough to beat the worst local team, then you're good enough to take part in Super Rugby.

      Sean - 2012-05-11 00:36

      I agree 200% !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Daniel - 2012-05-10 22:47

    If they can beat the lions they deserve it!!!!

  • Shaun - 2012-05-10 22:55

    They are gonna have to spend big bucks if they don't want to be humiliated next year.

      Bomb - 2012-05-11 07:33

      That defeats the argument of developing local eastern cape players, doesn't it? Selling "development" and "opportunity" as your main reasons and then going and recruiting players, mostly "has-beens" anyway, to strengthen your teams. And I can promise you, lots of money is going to find its way to the Kings through "questionable" means, cause SARU is scared of the embarrassment of possibly having to justify the cricket scores. Let them play, at least we will have some comedy mixed in with real rugby over the week-ends now.

  • Mandy Casey - 2012-05-10 23:13

    Kings, no, Princes, not so sure. Pukes?

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-05-11 13:08

      show your age Mandy or you still in grade 7?

  • Jco - 2012-05-10 23:18

    Reading the second paragraph of this article it say the "four top teams to join the Southern Kings"! The top teams do not join in, they are in! Wake up, the Southern Kings are no KINGS! Please do not put that down our throat.

      Marius - 2012-05-11 07:55

      No, Jco. At the end of this season, nobody is in, as all franchise licences expire at the end of this season and SARU starts off with a new set of rules on the way these franchise are allocated and will be renewed in future. Why do you think they are bringing in the Kings at the end of this year? Jurie Roux has two Bcom degrees, a Law degree and a MBA and he would have gone through all the financial, business and legal implications of this decision to make sure that SARU doesn't open themselves to any legal action over their decision. If the Kings are excluded again, they will definitely sue SARU for hundreds of millions of lost income, because they have documented guaranteed participation for next year, whereas the team that falls out has no legal basis to sue as their franchise contracts have expired and there is no automatic renewal option in those contracts. SARUare here looking after it's own interest first and not the individual franchises.

      Koos - 2012-05-11 08:06

      He has all the degrees but still can organise.

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-05-11 13:10

      can or cant Koos??

  • Koos - 2012-05-10 23:25

    So, will the kings by default play in the relegation game every year against the bottom SA S15 team? It is more real that Griekwas will be the best non S15 in the watered down Currie Cup and not the anc kings.

  • BlouTokolos - 2012-05-11 04:00

    Mamelodi Sundowns should register a rugby franchise and "demand" a place in the S15. Then we will see who they drop. They will most probably beat the Kings and... yes wait for it... drumrolll... The Stompies!!! Go Sundowns!!!

  • Michael Kleber - 2012-05-11 05:07

    We have one team too many in S15 not enough players to play at super level , Kings are going to be better than a bye a guaranteed 5 points PE stadium is not going to be full will ruin the lions then we will have 2 areas in SA where rugby has died Jhb and PE , SARU you supposed to grow the sport not kill it

  • Michael Kleber - 2012-05-11 05:12

    Kings to be known as the Bonus Kings in Super rugby as teams playing against them will be guaranteed a few bonus points , so lets all get behind the Bonus Kings for 2013

  • Chriskoi1 - 2012-05-11 06:30

    Het julle vergeet die begin van die jaar watter span het hulle die Kings die grootste pak gegee gaan slaan net die rekords na tot die begin van die jaar dan praat ons weer .Een van die spelers het ook gesê dat hy sal opgooi op ons Sprinbok trui en nou word dit sommer vergeet en sy ou pappie wat nie n. Afrikaaner genoem word nie word nou opgehemel .So dit lyk maar weer na n' regstelende aksie wat in my oe stink.

  • Zion - 2012-05-11 06:52

    Goodbye Lions, Hello Palookas. at least something to laugh about. watch the palooka team start scratching around for the better players in the departed team. At least a glimmer of light will be seen at the end of the tunnel.

      BlouTokolos - 2012-05-11 07:01

      Zion... I agree with you. Time will tell which players stays with the Lions and who goes. Die hard Lions players will stay and they will only play CC. The others that leave, good on them. Let the Lions be relegated. It can only do them good. They can clean house and start fresh. After 2014 season when the play the bottom feeder on the SA log (Queens or Stompies) for relegation, they will be a different team. The North will be the Powerhouse of SA rugby between the Bulls & Lions and the south can then start their own choker league. GO LIONS!!!

  • Peter Zylstra - 2012-05-11 07:00

    The kings will never be short of a sponsor as the gov/anc are backing them with our tax money!

  • Andre - 2012-05-11 07:16

    The Kings don't even play in the currie cup, why the f#*k sould they play in the S15??? It is all a political game by Cheeky Watson and his ANC buddies.....

      BlouTokolos - 2012-05-11 07:22


  • Andre - 2012-05-11 07:18

    The Kings don't even play in the CC.... how the f#*k can they be good enough to play in the S15? This is all political BS by the Watson's and their ANC buddies.

  • Grant - 2012-05-11 07:24

    The Govt want their own mining company, there own construction company and now their own rugby team. They should start a new competition: The private sector vs the public sector.! We are ruining our s 15 chances by giving away guaranteed free points to the overseas teams

      Marcel - 2012-05-11 08:16

      at least the SA teams will get 10 points cause we'll play them twice. so that will be an extra five points that we get and anzac don't

      Stirrer - 2012-05-11 09:41

      Apparently there is an annual Parliamentary rugby game between the ANC and the DA. It's one game and one game only. Last year the DA beat the ANC 113-0. The ANC bragged in it's newsletter: "During the Parliamentary rugby season, the ANC lost only one game, whereas the DA could only manage to win one game for the entire season." Same reasoning that they used to bring in the Kings?

  • Marius - 2012-05-11 07:32

    The arguments that some guys use who comment here defies all logic. They expect the Kings to gain entry by way of a promotion /relegation match, after never playing Super Rugby in their life, but at the same time also say that the team falling out will never be able to get back in via a promotion/relegation match after only 2 years out of the competition.

      BlouTokolos - 2012-05-11 07:55

      Marius... YOUR argument defy all logic! The Queens have never achieved anything. You have to at least win something to even claim a stake in such a competition. On the other hand, you got a free ticket into the competition. It's professional rugby. If you have played super rugby before or not... it doesn't matter. It's a professional game and if you want to pee with the big dogs you need to lift your leg high! So your Queens HAVE to step up next year no matter what. No excuses of no experience. When the Lions won the Super 10 way back then, how much experience did they have in Super Rugby? So your team better perform or they will be the joke of world rugby! The same goes for the team who gets dropped for the Queens... they will have to rebuild and enter into a relegation / promotion match after 2014 S15. The Queens would have had 2 years experience in the competition by then against that team's lack thereof because they will have to contract new players due to an exodus of players because of the 2012 relegation. Do you understand what I am on about? All your arguments every time on these blogs are so lame. I would like to hear your comments by the 4th game of next years S15.

      Glenn - 2012-05-11 08:16

      @ Marius. The Kings get a free ride and the rest have to play Promotion Relegation after two years

      Marius - 2012-05-11 09:03

      @ Blou Tokolos. The Kings as a franchise of all 3 teams that will make it up , has never played any matches yet, so how could they have won anything . So far they have only played as individual provinces wearing the Kings jerseys against the S15 sides at the beginning of the year. EP on it's own lost by only 19 points to full strength Stormers and Sharks S15 squads. The 88-0 drubbing against the Lions was against a SWD B-team supplemented by 6 Border players. Not even one EP player played in that match. As for EP not winning anything. In 2010 they won the 1st Division and last year they won the IRB Nations Cup against 4 International teams that played in the Wold Cup later that year. They actually beat Georgia by a bigger margin than Scotland could in the World Cup. The same Scotland that beat the Boks 10 months earlier. As for commenting after the 4th game next year, you're on. At the moment eveybody is commenting emotionally and speculatively. Once they have been given the chance to compete at the sam level with the same exposure and financial resources as the current S15 franhises we can all comment on facts and actual results on the field. If they can't put up a better showing than the Lions didd with al the resources at their disposal over the last 10 years, then I will be the first to admit that the Kings don't belong there. All the Kings have to do is finish 13th on the log and they will have done better than the Lions have ever done in the last 5 years.

      Jacques - 2012-05-11 10:17

      Look Marius your results shown below is also flawed. Please look at the Scotish team and the Boks team that played and also look at the Scotish team that played in the world cup. Please dont call it the same scotish team that beat the boks 10 months earlier as it is not. I get your point that one cant make emotional decistion but also one cant measure rugby the way you do. I am a Lion but if they cant win then other options should be looked at. Problem is the KIngs must first deserve it. They must first become a competing side in the top devision which they currently have not proven. The biggest problem is SARU and their poor ability to deal with this. They made an anouncement which is now having the entire LIons team hang in the balance. How do they secure contracts and sponsors with this hanging over their necks. This competition is getting to big. I would bring back the CATS and incorporate the EP KINGS. Now the Cheetahs go mad. Also i would sell Elis PArk which is now located in down town LAgos and adopt to smaller stadiums as the NZ do. Elis PARk should be closed down as it is not a viable venue anymore. It is the worste place to watch a game and i am a LION

      Marius - 2012-05-11 15:35

      @ Jacques. Agree with your logic, but by the same token, how can the Kings attract sponsors to be acle to buy a competitive team if only 2 or 3 of their games in a second tier competition are shown per year. A sponsor wants TV exposure. The Lions have had that exposure for mor than 10 years and the sponsors and money that goes with it and still ended nowhere in Super Rugby over the last 5 years. Let's see where the Lions will be financially and on the field after only 2 years of being in the same circumstances as the Kings have had to live with for the last 10 years.

  • Bomb - 2012-05-11 07:42

    Are we not accepting a bit soon that it will definitely be the Lions? With the amount of games remaining, and points up for grabs (or not),is it a given fact that it will be the Lions?

      Chris - 2012-05-11 08:06

      @Bomb: Have you lately watch their matches?!!!

  • Cedric - 2012-05-11 07:45

    SARU just got R15 million from National Lotteries - get the picture now???

      Jurgen - 2012-05-11 11:09


  • ljmostert - 2012-05-11 07:50

    Ai mense gun julle ons niks in die Ooskaap niks - SUPERrugby moet vir almal in die land binne bereik wees. Ons wil ook Superrugby sien. Daar is 2 superrugbyspanne in Gauteng! Hoekom? Daar is mos nou 'geografiese' redes ook - nie net meriete nie. Geld sal goeie spelers hierrheen bring - ons sal mededingend wees!!!!!

      BlouTokolos - 2012-05-11 08:04

      Mossie... Geen probleem met julle ouens wat Super Rugby speel nie.... MAAR... Verdien dit en bewys julle kan. Die manier hoe Cheeky homself ingewurm het en "demand" het gaan julle rugby meer skade as goed doen. Oor 'n paar jaar van nou af gaan hy gesien word as die ou wat rugby in die Oos Kaap doodgemaak het terwyl hy nou julle "saviour" is. Julle gaan die joke van wereld rugby wees vir die volgende 2 jaar my vriend. Ek kan jou belowe jy sal miskien 2 tuis wedstryde by die stadion gaan kyk en dan eerder maar by die huis braai en op tv kyk daarna want dit gaan jou sak ruk en jy gaan GEEN joy kry nie!!!

      Koos - 2012-05-11 08:17

      Ek kan dit nie beter gestel het nie. Hoekom is daar nie bele aan die talent van die Oos Kaap nie? Waar is die geld. Dit klink kras maar as mense kan kies, dan wil jy nie daar bly nie. Daar is nie werk of geld nie. Ten miste trek die mense Kaap toe want dit is 'veiliger'. Ek gaan Jeffreys toe om vakansie te hou en dis al. Daar bly, nooit nie.

      Marcel - 2012-05-11 08:23

      ja, julle kan van die lions spelers koop(die wat nie goed genoeg is om deur die ander franchises gekoop te word niebv. butch) en dan noem julle julle self maar die kings.

      Wanderering - 2012-05-11 09:28

      Mossie ons sal dit vir julle gun, maar die manier wat julle dit kry is wat almal kwaad maak. Daar is eers gese hulle sal die plaaslike manne gebruik en nou koop hulle die manne. Daar is meer gekleurde ondersteuners vir die NZ spanne as vir die SA spanne in die oos kaap, so nee julle verdien dit nie. wen n afgewaterde CC dan verdien julle dit. En ja daar is 2 spanne in Gauteng en saam het hulle oor die 200 jaar se geskiedenis, so ons moet dit ter wille van n 3de rangse unie prys gee.

  • hvanderlinde - 2012-05-11 07:59

    OK, let me get this straight... The Kings are in, come hell or high water, for 2013 and 2014. Only after the next two season will SARU allow the teams to play a promotion relegation match for the 5th spot in S15. Which means if the Lions(assuming they end bottom of the SA conference) want to get back into S15 in two years they would have to win the curriecup in that year. What if the Sharks win the curriecup in that year? Will the lions still be given a promotion/relegation match?

  • Chris - 2012-05-11 08:02

    Many of you need to wake up! The moment the Kings participation is confirmed, top players will be attracted to the franchise. Immediately their will be sponsors lining up and money available to contract players. It's like getting the Force or the Rebels in Oz up and running. To argue that they need to play a promotion/relegation match this year would not be fair at all. Obvious they would loose that match...but when 60%+ of the Lions players (and fringe players of other franchises for that matter) are lured by money and the chance to play Super Rugby the picture would look completely different!

      Koos - 2012-05-11 08:18

      Wat help dit om ander spelers te koop as jy die locals wou ontwikkel het. Dis soos om 'n Zimbo aan te stel om BEE te bevredig.

      Marcel - 2012-05-11 08:25

      yeah just like the rebels, and damn they're a good team hey.

      BlouTokolos - 2012-05-11 08:27

      Good Luck with that Chris!!!

      Derrick - 2012-05-11 09:18

      @Chris- please explain how things will look completely different after you lure Lions & other fringe players to Kings- all that occurs is that ineptitude is geographically transferred

      Marius - 2012-05-11 09:23

      @ Koos. Dis juis omdat die Kings nie die jong spelers Super Rugby in die verlede kon aanbied nie, dat daar huidiglik 8 spelers in die Sharks, 7 in die Bulls, 6 in die Lions en 2 in die Stormers se S15 squads is, wat almal oorspronklik van die Ooskaap af kom. Die Kings wil net die vermoë kry om van hulle verlore seuns terug te kan koop en die res sal lokaal ontwikkel word. Die Kings se akademie is nog net een jaar aan die gang en 8 van daai eerste inname se spelers het al in verlede naweek se Vodacom QF teen die Pumas gespeel. 70% van die span wat verlede naweek gespeel het, het verlede jaar nog op o/19 of o/21 vlak gespeel

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-05-11 12:12

      @ Marius, not sure why people give you a thumbs down when all you are producing is facts. Guess thats what people do when they have no comeback

      Deon - 2012-05-11 15:15

      hey chris, even with 60% of lions and other fringe players contracted to the kings, they'll still lose. But as mentione before, that will be Great development and Opportunity for the local development of the game and certainly not fair for any local players to aspire to cos all the squad members will be contracted out from other franchise area's.

  • Dave - 2012-05-11 08:04

    Why not just use the Currie cup as the "qualifying event", top 5 finishers in Currie cup play super rugby the following season and they can draw players from the lower teams if need be.

      Koos - 2012-05-11 08:19

      Like it used to be. But then the Queens will never make it.

      Wanderering - 2012-05-11 09:30

      Actually Dave that is what is supposed to happen.

      Maxine - 2012-05-11 10:35

      The one problem with that is that we have international tournaments like the W.C during the CC and I wouldnt be to pleased to see the bulls relegated when 14 of their players are with the sprigboks, I am a Shark but that would suck

      Pete - 2012-05-11 16:00

      Are the curry cup teams the same as the super 15 franchises?

  • Glenn - 2012-05-11 08:10

    So by the looks of things, The Kings get automatic entry to the Super 15 and any SA Team after this needs to qualify or play a Promotion Relegation Game against non other than the Kings. The Kings need to qualify to play in the Premier Division of SA Rugby before playing Suer Rugby

  • Paul - 2012-05-11 08:12

    Hahahahaha lag ek nou vir die simpel argumente!

      Tertius - 2012-05-11 08:45

      Paul. Lyk my meeste van die argumente word gedryf deur 'n persoonlike weersin in die Watson familie, en het dus niks met die rugby te make nie. Natuurlik stem ons almal saam dat die Kings span wat in die huidige Vodacom beker kompetisie gespeel het, nie kan meeding op Super15 vlak nie. Dit blyk dat meeste mense dink dat dit wel dieselfde span sal wees, en gooi nou 'n goeie dosis haat teen die Watsons by (en ook die Watsons se veronderstelde marionette, onder andere die ANC, SARU, die Illuminati, Bryce Lawrence en wie ook nog al), en dan kry ons hierdie vlak van vermaaklike maar tog "embarrassing" argumente.

  • chumony.venter - 2012-05-11 08:14

    Hoekom moet enige van die vyf sasuper spanne uit gehaal word uit super rugby om n span in te stuur vir die s15 wat nog nooit eers in die curry cup gespeel het nie hulle moet eers die curry cup speel en vir suid afrika wys dat hulle goed genoeg is om in die s15 te speel dan sal hulle my goed keuring weg dra.....JAMER KINGS maar julle is net nie goed genoeg nie kannie eers n klein beker soos die vodacomm cup wen nie maar nou wil julle teen die beste spanne van nz en aust gaan speel.......

  • Suzanne - 2012-05-11 08:22

    Why don't Kings and another SA team form a competition with Argentina, Japan or Fiji or any other nation to widen the rugby spectrum, instead of banning the teams.

  • Simon - 2012-05-11 08:25

    The sad thing is that the poor sods who play for the Kings are going to get humiliated on a weekly basis, soul destroying!

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-05-11 12:15

      not any worse than the toothless Lions

  • nicusb - 2012-05-11 08:26

    How will, by including the Kings, strengthen Springbok rugby? How many Lions players have been part of the Springbok setup the last few years? I think none....

  • fanie.smit.5 - 2012-05-11 08:27

    How much money did saru receive to make a grown mans decision like a grade one child.

  • Clive - 2012-05-11 08:33

    This is idiotic. The Kings cannot even win the - in effect - third division, yet SARU wants to "promote" them directly into what amounts to the premier division. Even if they score a few players from the disenfranchised union, they will most likely lose every match, many of them by a cricket score. How this will promote rugby development in the E Cape is beyond my comprehension. If SARU is set on this affirmative action step, for goodness sake give the Kings at least one season in the Currie Cup 'A' section, and then review the situation.

  • Zebedee - 2012-05-11 08:34

    cheeky better get the anc on board as a main sponsor otherwise old lukie might just throw up all over the jersey

      Brandewijn - 2012-05-11 10:18

      the kings wont need the ANC to sponsor them as they already have a massive sponsor (over R100mil) lined up ready to sign the moment that SARU makes their participation next year official. This according to an article in Die Son newspaper in PE earlier the week. (and that just one sponsor - there a few other already on board) With that funding they should be able to buy some good talent. I do not think the team playing next year will look anything like the team playing this year - as Solomons stated the Kings are already in final negotiation stage with a few overseas based players to join the Kings before the Curriecup in July. (an article in the eastern cape Burger also earlier the week). With new coaching staff and the academy already producing 8 youngsters this year the team will look completely different in 2013.

  • Blixum - 2012-05-11 08:39

    There is that dreaded K-word again! Kings.

  • warren.d.manning - 2012-05-11 08:44

    As long as its not at the expense of the cheetahs im all for it! Cheetah4life

      Maxine - 2012-05-11 10:40

      This is my point! I feel bad for the lions but look at the cheethas who have less resources and improve year in and year out. The lions also have no Automatic right to finish last and expect to play forever- All teams have bad years, The Bulls, Sharks and Stormers have all had shocking years but the lions consider finishing outside the last 3 a good year!

  • Andre - 2012-05-11 09:13

    There can only be place for the Kings in the Superleague if it is Super 16,not Super 15.The emphasis is on the word SUPER,which means you have to have a SUPER team to be able to participate-question is: where are Mr Watson and his croonies going to get such a Super team,if they can not even beat a Sharks Vodacup team.Also,how can Jurie Roux say SA is supporting the idea-is he smoking his socks?Wow,one again politics are stuffing up everything-Look at the rest of Africa as an example.

  • Richard - 2012-05-11 09:22

    Jurie Roux, that's the problem. How do these clowns get into a position of being in charge of SA Rugby. Who puts them there?

  • louis.duplessis.31 - 2012-05-11 09:32

    With the exeption of one or two sensible individuals, the rest of the comments to this story are filled with illogical biased remarks. In short, look at the stats for the last 10 years (please do!) and then try and explain why the Lions should not be kicked out of the S15 for say 5 years as a start, at the expense of the Kings or Blikkiesdorp's 2nd team or whomever else. And why all of a sudden the need for promotion relegation matches first, as a last chance. The Lions have already won 0 (yes 0) of their matches in an entire Super rugby season and also came very close to achieving this feat on many other occassions. Please explain to me how the Kings can do any worse? If it was the case of one or two off seasons amidst many other more consistent ones, it would have been something else. But clearly, it is not.

      JasonMichelleVanderbijlpark - 2012-05-11 09:51

      U kinda need to get ur facts straight before advising others to do the same... Lions won their first game they played this season... MTN Lions Pld:9 W:1 Pts:14

      Press - 2012-05-11 11:14

      So Louis - I take it that you would be very happy to play the Kings against the Lions in a promotion-relegation match at the end of the season when the top teams are playing finals. Or do you prefer the new-apartheid option being pulled here - you will not be allowed to fairly compete for your position.

  • Wanderering - 2012-05-11 09:42

    Dear Jurie, is SARU going to assist the Lions in keeping with their financial obligations that they have towards there contracted players and sponsors, as they did in helping the Kings, are they going help buy the players that is going to be needed after two years of isolation, I think not. Will Coke Park still be given test venue status to insure that we as Johannesburgers can watch test rugby and support the Springboks, unlike the home venue in PE that the AB team has. Kind regards. NB! thank you for killing one of the greats.

  • Jurgen - 2012-05-11 09:52

    The Southern Queens symbolizes almost everything that is wrong with our beloved country, from unfair opportunities given to some and taking unfairly from those who've worked for everything they've got. This trend has been going on for the last decade or more in SA and I take my hat of to SARU for stalling the unfair process of affirmative rugby this long. May we one day see the lions in their full glory again albeit 15 years from now.

      Marius - 2012-05-11 10:08

      @Jurgen. Exactly, but for different reasons than yours. The Lions symbolizes what is wrong with our government, where non-performing officials and workers sit in their jobs year in and year out, drawing massive salaries, without the fear of getting fired if they don't perform in their jobs. I think it is more unfair to keep these guys in their positions and in the process deny others who are keen to prove themselves the opportunity to do so.

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-05-11 12:43

      Marius for President

  • Herman - 2012-05-11 09:56

    Louis du plessis must have his mind read! You refer to stats of the Lions whereas the stats of the Kings in a \ primary school, or is it Kindergarten , is even more dismal. You surely are the rugby \ intellectual\ around. Are you a close friend of the puky Watsons?

  • matt.prinsloo.1 - 2012-05-11 10:27

    14 rugby unions in SA.11 benefit from Super Rugby (SR). 3 dont - EP, Border and SWD. Without SR these unions lost out financially, but even if they did get money - how many players would they have been able to attract without playing SR. How many of their young players would they be able to field as Kings players, without these being snatched up by other unions? Yes, players move, but at least if the Kings had SR, they would see some of the benefits from the players they develop. Currently only the other Unions benefit from all this To have a promo / relegation match between a side with numerous years of Super Rugby and a side with none or even only a year or 2, wont be a solution. The Kings should be allowed to have at least 3 years of Super Rugby without relegation matches. The others have had how many years now without having to play such a match?? Maybe a solution would be to split the profits from SR equally between the 14 unions for the 1st 2 or 3 years that the Kings get a "free ride". That should allow the team that falls out to survive too. How about a Currie Cup premier division between the 6 franchises, and a 2nd tier competition between the 14 provinces. Yes big unions will be fielding 2nd choice teams, but at present those teams are strong enough anyway and it will create depth too. Everyone is quick to judge on why the Kings shouldnt be allowed to benefit from SR. Please then answer me why the Kings unions must be the only ones that dont benefit?

      Jurgen - 2012-05-11 11:03

      No one actually has problem with the Queens developing in to strong Super Rugby franchise, the problem comes with the words, at what / whose cost will their goal be achieved? Don,t be a moron and ignore the fact that more than 100 years of Lions rugby history will be demolished for someone else's political and others financial gain. OH! and bad management from SURU's side.

      Jahendel - 2012-05-11 11:14

      @jurgen 100 years of history will be demolished by their own inept.

      matt.prinsloo.1 - 2012-05-11 12:33

      @Jurgen, ek sou verkies dit moes nie ten koste van enige een wees nie. Al 14 unies moet baat vind. Anders ly die klein unies net meer en meer en die grotes word net sterker en sterker. Ongelukkig moet mens eerlik wees en se die Lions is by verre die swakste van die huidige SR spanne wat speel. En verder is die besluitneming en prosesse by SARU skokkend. Julle vergeet die Kings is net n rugby span met ondersteuners soos enige ander, maar hulle word nou die sondebok vir SARU se foute

  • Maxine - 2012-05-11 10:30

    Can the Kings be worse than the lions? Sure at first but after a couple of years they will improve. The kings Will get huge money and the team they have now will not be the team that plays in Super Rugby. The lions can take the next two years to get themselves in order and the come back and hopefully take the kings place. I would suggest a move to the calabash if possible.

      Jurgen - 2012-05-11 11:05

      How do you expect the lions to come back stronger in two years with basically no income, or do you suppose they get in to politics as well?

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-05-11 12:51

      @ Jurgen, they will receive the exact same income the other non Super Rugby sides have been given over the years. Money may do wonders in the EC Certainly hasent done much in JHB

  • gerrit.volschenk - 2012-05-11 10:38

    All i read is we are puppets led by politically connected Watson and we haven't the balls to stand up against them.Playing a relegation match is the only honest and fair way to deal with this.If not let the Kings play with their own players and make idiots of SARU for they will loose each and every game with 50 plus points.

      Herman - 2012-05-11 10:59

      Oh no! We have the balls being the reason for openly criticising by name. Unfortunately SARU do NOT have the balls and that is the crux. Agree with a play off but why against the Kings. Should they not first come out tops in whatever league they play in to qualify as a top team in contention! That is the norm in the world of sport.

  • Herman - 2012-05-11 11:30

    Maxine asks whether the Kings can do worse than the Lions. Imagine the Kings now having to play the Lions as well as the Blues both being at the bottom of the log to put an end to the debate. The Kings would be left bleeding by a double thrashing second to none.

  • Jody - 2012-05-11 11:33

    I could start a racial issue right now, however Jurie Roux is another kortbroek.

  • Karate - 2012-05-11 11:37

    The problem remains that SA does not currently have the player pool to support a sixth union. Any quality player is driven by two factors, 1) Money 2) playing at National level. By including the Kings, all sponsor, participation etc money will leave the Lions Union. Combined with the lack of quality playing time in Super rugby, will result in a mass exodus of players from the Lions. This will effictively only shift the current situation in EC to the Lions. Effectivlely ending any competitive hopes for the Lions. And so destroying over 100years of the union, who unlike the EC have seen success in all formats including SR. This surely can't be justified because the EC ''WANTS'' it,? hell, I want a Aston but will get arrested if I take it? Rather put money into the game to promote and increase rugby tallent, ie increase player base, currently we only scratch the surface of the available playing population. WIth enough players for 6 unions, restructure the SR for further inclusion resulting in sucess for all involved in rugby esp. the Boks.

  • patrickjasoncawood - 2012-05-11 12:05

    The Kings deserve to be in Super Rugby, purely by virtue of promises made to the South African government when bidding to host the 2011 and 2015 Rugby World Cups. The Kings are as deserving as any team and the rugby public forgets that the Lions and Cheetahs hardly won for 10 years and when the two sides combined as the Cats the results were as diabolical. The Kings can’t be a greater embarrassment than the 17 successive Lions defeats, as just one statistic.

      Karate - 2012-05-11 12:14

      SO because the government made a promise its OK to destroy another union with far more history? Pull the other one Patrick, honestly now? Lets try and realisticly look at the matter and fine a working solution, if only to appease ourselves, as the government and SARU in which you so blindely trust clearly can;t one. STop making this a '' yes but he said and no but he did this'' issue and look at the facts and clearly consider the effects of any action!!

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-05-11 12:28

      @Karda, It seems like the Lions are destroying themselves, losing each week, bankrupt, no support at the games, outdated stadium stadium to mention a few. The Lions have been given the chance for long enough. The EC and it's people deserve a chance, if they lose every game in the next 3 years then there should be a play off between them and the Lions. SARU made promises and havet kept them, if they keep the SK out of Super Rugby in 2013 there will be a major legal battle leading into around R300m at a guess which SARU cannot afford.

      Karate - 2012-05-11 12:49

      Patrick, yes the Lions have had a terrible run of it, the last 10 odd years, mainly due to their own failure and bad management, lately things have however started to indicate change for the good. Only for this year to start out the same. WIth 70 odd% of first team players injured it is however not unclear why this happened. And this is by no means making excuses, as any lions supporter like myself will acknowlegde that we are not their on merit based on past SR performances. However you again avoid the issue of looking at the situation rationally? YOu as well as all the others for the Kings inclusion want to avoid a promotion match, which I understand as you don;t have the players, however you suggest the Lions should play the Kings in a similar match in 3years for inclusion? Clearly then the Lions will not have the players or any possibility to compete. As I said before the Kings inclusion will only shift the dire situation the kings are in and effectivly DESTROY the lions. And again I ask you Patrick, please think clearly about what you propose and honestly tell me that you think it fair? I do agree that the EC needs inclusion, it's best for SA rugby, but not this way, develop the player base to support a 6th union and seek to restructure the premiere rugby contest for the benefit of all?

      Marius - 2012-05-11 16:23

      @Karate. "Destroy a union with far more history? Stop listening to Jake White's ramblings. As school teacher he should know his history a bit better. Both EP and Border have at least 10 years more history than the Lions. A historical fact is that the first ever rugby test played in South Africa was not at Newlands, but at St George's Park cricket ground in Port Elizabeth on 30 July 1891 against the British Isles. The South African side, they were only called Springboks from 1906, was captained by H.H. Castens who comes from Pearston in the Eastern Cape, a town halfway between Graaff-Reinet and Somerset -East. As a matter of interest, H.H. Castens had the honour of also being the first ever South African cricket captain too. Now you tell me which union has the most history.

  • Jody - 2012-05-11 12:49

    Anyone implying Kings deserve to be in SR are idiots and do not deserve a reply..............finish and klaar.

      Jahendel - 2012-05-12 10:49

      @jody And anyone that say the Kings doesnt deserve to be in S15 don not deserve a reply,but plenty of afduimpies