SANZAR rule upsets Coetzee

2012-05-15 07:48

Cape Town - Stormers coach Allister Coetzee feels SANZAR should change its regulation to allow coaches to field their strongest possible team in the playoffs.

A current regulation from SANZAR states that no player registered to a team after April 1 is allowed to participate in the playoff phase of the competition. Teams are only allowed to register 35 players at the start of the season.

This means the Stormers won't be able to pick new Canadian recruit, Jebb Sinclair, should they make the playoffs.

Coetzee last week acquired Sinclair's services after a spate of injuries at loose forward.

Schalk Burger, Duane Vermeulen and Nick Koster all suffered knee injuries which won't see them back in action until at least after the June Test break. And their woes were compounded when eighthman Nizaam Carr also injured his knee in the weekend's win over the Cheetahs. He will be out for the rest of the season.

Sinclair impressed the Stormers brains trust on Saturday and Coetzee told Die Burger SANZAR's ruling for the playoffs is unfair.

"I think more players should be made available than the 35 allowed, especially if you take into consideration that there's a Test break in between as well.

"We don't know in what condition the players will return if they were picked by the Boks. I believe teams should be allowed to register 40 or 45 players," said Coetzee.

Critics will argue though that the Stormers are largely to blame for the rule change implemented this year by SANZAR. Last year they drafted in Saracens hooker Schalk Brits for their home semi-final against the Crusaders. Crusaders coach Todd Blackadder was not particularly impressed with the move at the time but his team nevertheless won the game to reach the final.

The Stormers take on the Waratahs at Newlands on Saturday. Either Nick Fenton-Wells or Don Armand will be taken from Western Province's Vodacom Cup side to provide loose forward cover.


  • Harold - 2012-05-15 07:51

    The same rules apply to all the teams. Make peace with it.

      Ren%c3%a9 - 2012-05-15 08:05

      Exactly @Harold, AC has been very verbal in the past about their 'depth and versatility' of his players. Next thing you want BP's taken away?? Did you ever hear the Lions complain about the ruling or any other franchise? C'mon Toetie, all this whining is not good for your team, play the hand you are dealt with. That is what quality sides do.

      Harold - 2012-05-15 08:16

      He wouldn't have had a problem if one of the other teams were affected by it.

      John - 2012-05-15 08:24

      Am I missing something here??? Did AC say that the Stormers should be the only franchise exempt from this rule???

      steyts - 2012-05-15 08:26

      Probably for the first time ever, I agree with you!! Unbelievable!!

      steyts - 2012-05-15 08:26

      @Rene - Fair point maar as die lions kla dan as hulle baie optomisties oor hulle play-off kanse...

      Harold - 2012-05-15 08:29

      John, he didn't say a word about the rule until it affected him. Now it's an issue. I'd say you are missing quite a bit.

      Ren%c3%a9 - 2012-05-15 08:31

      @Steyts, miskien nie die play-offs nie maar ek dink hulle sou verseker beter gevaar het indien hulle 'n groter 'pool' gehad het om van te kies.

      Japjapjap - 2012-05-15 08:34

      please guys&girls- they are the absolute best defensive team in world hula-hoop and and by a country mile!!! and and that means they need new loosies every week to uphold this last stronghold?? and and to shorten these poor new superstar's careers to a few weeks?? AC, ask for a 150 girly boy squad, maybe then...

      steyts - 2012-05-15 08:56

      As ek dit nie verkeerd het nie is daar meer mense in Gauteng as in die Wes kaap en Boland bymekaar (5.4 miljoen teenoor 7,3 miljoen). So dis debateerbaar of daar rerig 'n groter pool van spelers is om uit te kies. Enigste manier om dit uit te vind is om te gaan kyk hoeveel geregistreerde spelers in elke gebied is.

      Stirrer - 2012-05-15 11:35

      Like him or hate him, Allister has a point. A wise man once said "Predictions are difficult, especially when the future is involved". This rule was not very well thought out by SANZAR. How can any coach predict before 1 April which players will get injured? With the Stormers last year, it happened to flyhalves, one after the other. This year it's the loosies. The point is, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW. What will happen if a coach picks 6 props in the squad, and 5 of them pick up injuries? The rule states only "recognized" props may contest scrums. Will there then be uncontested scrums from the opening whistle in the playoffs? This is a stupid, stupid rule by SANZAR. It should be amended to make provision for long term injuries - all teams will benefit by it. BTW: To all the commentators wearing blue (or pink) blinkers - AC was not complaining for the Stormer's sake, but on behalf of all teams. If you bothered to read the article, presuming you can actually read, you would have realized it.

      Stirrer - 2012-05-15 11:52

      @Raven - probably not. But it could have been ANY of the other teams in the same position - as I said, you just don't know. If the other coaches have any foresight, they should join AC in fighting this stupid rule. What is the point of the rule anyway? And don't come tell me it's "to level the playing field" for teams who don't have player depth. If the rule falls away, even those teams can bring in any player from anywhere.

      steyts - 2012-05-15 12:25

      @raven dis nie wat ek bedoel nie. Ek stem saam dat AC se klagtes belaglik is en dat hy moet leer om met sy spelers beter te werk en te roteer. Ek verwys net na Rene wat gese het dat die WP en dan seker in dieselfde asem dan die Noord transvaal en Natal 'n groter pool van spelers het om uit te kies. Ek bevraagteken dit sedert Johannesburg en die omliggende dorpies baie meer mense bevat as die van Kaapstad en die boland distrik. Ek het probeer uitvind hoeveel geregistreerde spelers daar in elke franchise se areas is maar kan dit nie kry nie... Het gedink SA rugby se webblad sal sulke statistiek he maar ongelukkig nie!!

  • Acta - 2012-05-15 08:09

    In this case, I for one am glad that the canadian is ineligible to play the playoffs. Also Harold makes a fair and valid point. I also think SANZAR should look at the possibility of making the squads a little bit bigger with the tournament getting longer and longer in future.

      Ren%c3%a9 - 2012-05-15 08:12

      @Acta, I think they have added an additional 'bye" to cater for the longer tournament. SANZAR won't make changes if the request is from 1 union, however, if various unions complain about the same thing, then I believe they might consider upping the amount of players. But as far as I know, it is only the Stormers that's not happy with this ruling.

      Koos - 2012-05-15 08:22

      It will not happen. The ARU wants the squads to be smaller and what they say goes.

      Japjapjap - 2012-05-15 08:45

      @Rene- Rene' Rene', hulle het di grooootste ondersteuners basis onder di hele ganse platberg en in di kaap en by di weskus en by di weskus se see... en daarom het hulle regte net soos di anc, om te demand, so ek dink AC het 'n punt beet,... al is dit net di punt van klaasvakie se neus??

      Acta - 2012-05-15 08:59

      @jap, hey oupajap ek mag dalk nou nog kwyl oor ek nie jou hantekening gekry het nie, maar op hede is die anc nie ter sprake in die WK nie. En BTW as Rene kan sense praat huko kan jy nie? Of is jy dalk n moeilike tiener meisie in ouman se liggaam mmm?

      Japjapjap - 2012-05-15 09:17

      @actapussy- ek sien jy't ook 'n punt beet- 'n kleintji, maar laat hom nou eers bietji met rus en kom ons praat sense... o gits, ons praat oor sitbok rugby- geen sense hier ni, so kom ons joke verder saam AC en sy tier brigade... o jy kwyl nogsteeds agter my handtekening aan- jy moet maar soos di res in di ry staan-sorry en jammer...

      Acta - 2012-05-15 09:36

      @Jap, Mens kan sien jy weet als van als, nou kwyl ek eers, lmga! Jy praat ook baie oor punte en dinge, lyk my jy biekie confused? Maar ek sal probeer om te leer en verstaan wane dit daai tud is en jou hormone met jou weg hardloop skies bedoel wegkruip. Ek kan nou net nie ophou kwyl nie. hehe!

      Stormflat - 2012-05-15 10:27

      rene i know that u watch rugby, however, how does a weekend off compenasate for lets say a broken arm. We all know how long injuries take to heal.. A bad hamstring tear six weeks. So while I hate it when people whinge, the reality is that a larger squad will circumvent this type of issues.

      Ren%c3%a9 - 2012-05-15 10:37

      @Stormflat, that's why there's a pool of 35 players - not just 22. It's called planning based on past experiences and the proper management & rotational play is a necessity. The Stormers have been severely affected in the 'loosie' dept, but with their style of play it is to be expected.

      Stormflat - 2012-05-15 11:36

      Raven & Rene , I'm not complaining, what I'm saying is that there is merit in squads bigger. Simple.

  • TruetotheBlue - 2012-05-15 08:12

    The Stormers should be using local talent. Our country has an abundance of loose forward talent (even with all the injuries).

      Angelo - 2012-05-15 08:26

      ...even if the Stormers bring in local talent and they make a glorious impact they will be excluded from the playoffs, which i will be a little unfair to them, i think.

      Japjapjap - 2012-05-15 08:53

      @true- ek stem heel hartig saam!!! gebruik & ontwikkel NET ons eie jong manne (en vroue), onthou net, in BlouBul land het ons loose forwards,... maar daar onder, het hulle lose fowards. altyd bly om te help... voorentoe Bulle!!!

  • Emile - 2012-05-15 08:22

    If the shoe fit, wear it. Of all 15 teams you could have guessed which team is complaining. The rules are not crafted to assist the Stormers, the rules are there to govern fair play - something the Stormers didn't do last season. We are in the dying stages of the competition and only now Coetzee is complaining. Really pathetic. Wonder why the other 14 teams keep to the rules and don't complain? Is it the losing mentality causing the build up of fear in the Stormers camp again? Great team, but really needs a new coach.

      stormers.fanbasefull - 2012-05-15 08:43

      Last year there was no rule regarding this situation and The Stormers took full advantage of it, as would any other side in that position. In the World cup you are allowed only a certain amount of players, but due to longterm injuries new players can be added. Dont be an idiot, insulting a team because they question a rule that was instated due to the Kiwis complaining shows your complete lack of knowledge. So its fair for another team to complain, but not the Stormers? Grow up.

      Harold - 2012-05-15 08:51

      No other teams are complaining, just the precious Stormers. Fanbase is full but the trophy cabinet is empty.

      Jason - 2012-05-15 09:02

      Emile the reason he is complaining now is that we are in a pickle for loosies NOW! so its only just become an issue for us. As far as you thinking that the Stormers need a new coach, you obviously dont know a lot about rugby! the province supporters are the most demanding in SA rugby and we, for the most part, are happy with AC and what he has done for the team!

      Harold - 2012-05-15 09:19

      Jason, only because you don't know any better.

      Japjapjap - 2012-05-15 09:28

      @bloukraai- hoekom bring jy nou weepee se 'flashy' trui op, met al sy loophole's- onhou dis weepee se trademark (afr- truimerk) hoe ons hulle span en sy tekortkominge kan uitken! so moeni diskrimineer ni, maar he' begrip asb??

      Jaco - 2012-05-15 09:43

      @ Emile 'Of all 15 teams you could have guessed which team is complaining' because they are the only team at this stage that know that they gonna be in the playoffs

      Japjapjap - 2012-05-15 10:10

      @jaco- jap, dis daai weepee slaaiblaar spannetji van ons?? check hulle volgende djaar!!!

  • Marius - 2012-05-15 08:28

    Only a slight rule change is required. The registered 35 players or any player registered by the same date to the union's second tier squad, in our case the Vodacom Cup squad should be allowed, but only in the case of certified long term injuries that will rule the injured player out for more than 25% of the competition. No imports should be allowed at anytime , specifically no overseas international players.

      Acta - 2012-05-15 08:36

      @Marius, I think you might be onto something there.

      LaBlue - 2012-05-15 08:45

      Ek stem vir 'n slag saam met Marius.

      Jason - 2012-05-15 09:21

      Marius are you saying that a Union should be forced to pick a junior Tight head prop (who stands a chance of being seriously injured) than loaning an overseas specialist who will be able to handle the rigors of Super Rugby! Extreme case but with all the loosie injuries, that could just as easily been props, remember Kitshof had to get special permission to play last year.

      eric.viljoen - 2012-05-15 10:04

      Blueraven, die loosies vir die stormers wat gerigestreer was vir Schalk, Duane, Koster, Kolisi, Carr en Rynardt(eintlik as slot). Huidiglik kan net 2 van hulle in die eindstryd speel. As die squad groter was, sou hulle meer kon kies van die begin af.

  • Anton - 2012-05-15 08:31

    Siestog AC en nou gaan hulle vandag nog vir Elstadt ook skors, ons verstaan in watter penarie jy is.

      stormers.fanbasefull - 2012-05-15 08:50

      Selfde as wat telke male met Bakkies gebeur het ne and met JP? Maar ek verstaan, ons het julle vir jare gespot oor julle dom, drugkoppie spelers so dis net te verstane dat julle nie kan wag on ons in dieselfde bootjie te sien nie. Maar daar is een verskil, ons spelers slaan nie polisiemanne dood, maak nie seksvideos saam prostitute nie en snuif nie lyne nie. En al wird hy geskors, sal hy ten die tyd dat ons die fulle speel weer terug wees.

      Anton - 2012-05-15 08:54

      en hulle sit ook nie op bankies en vry ander girls nie maak lekker sin ne. Het geen probleem dat hy teen die Bulle speel nie, want hy gaan nie lank op die veld wees nie

      Ren%c3%a9 - 2012-05-15 09:16 open that door... So please explain to me why a player from your area is 'raped with a stick' and 'sodomized with a banana' and its called a PRANK?? There are more fights on your rugby fields amongst players, coaches and parents in the WC region than ANYWHERE else in the country. Please think before you talk...

      Anton - 2012-05-15 09:25

      So terloops wonder maar net oor n sekere Mnr Gibss

      Jason - 2012-05-15 09:25

      Firstly Rene, that case has yet to be proved, its all hearsay at the moment! If its the case then the little F$#kers she be tried as adults! We have an issue in the western cape in the poorer communities for crowd violence at rugby matches, and believe me there have been some serious issues at township games in your neck of the woods to. Its an issue, as a huge rugby supporter, i take serious issue with! As a child we were taught the fairplay and sportsmanship are the key corner stones of rugby! a game for thugs played and watched by gentleman! however some of the personal attacks by bloggers on this sight have made me realize that its fast disappearing from the game i love!!!

      Paul Botha - 2012-05-15 09:47

      Stormerfan should go and c a psychiatrist the boy has issues !!

      Anton - 2012-05-15 09:49

      @Rene and Blue thats my point when something is said which a certain group of people dont like they get personal by making comments about off the field stuff. And then what drives me crazy when they attack your family members.

      Ren%c3%a9 - 2012-05-15 10:02

      @Anton, I've been called plenty things on these blogs, even the worst possible messages on Facebook. If you accept the fact that you share these blogs with 'scumbags deluxe' and don't feed the 'trolls', you will be ok. Mostly people don't have opinions, only insults - lack of intellect, poor upbringing, disrespectful and simply just rotten to the core. My advice to you, don't go down to their level.

      BlouMasjien - 2012-05-15 10:03

      @stormers.fanbasefull - Behalwe Bekker, wat van Jannie Engelbrecht, Die Burger brigade,Puke Watson, James Small, Percy Montgomery . . . .

      BlouMasjien - 2012-05-15 10:18

      @Anton, Die ergste van die stormer is die arogansie, dit waarvan hulle jou beskuldig, is hulle 10keer erger, maar dit is mos hulle reg. Jy kan hulle net feitelik reghelp, maar dan laat loop hulle met die beledigings.

  • hc12345 - 2012-05-15 08:33

    It is more important to develop local talent. The Stormers and the Sharks are the biggest culprits as far as this is concerned. The should be called the Stormers-Barbarians and the Sharks-Barbarians

      tedandjane - 2012-05-15 11:17

      Sharks and Stormers have players who were born and schooled in other places, but once they became / become adults they realise that these are the 2 best provinces to live in and that's why they go there to study and play their sport!!

  • legndkilla - 2012-05-15 08:46

    im a stormers supporter till the end but this is becoming ridiculous, injuries happen and what goes for one team must go for all, we playing badly in the sense that we not attacking inspite of the fact that we have one of the best backlines in the S15, now all the excuses and all the bad articles are going to be coming out from the coaching staff to the players ...

  • Anton - 2012-05-15 08:47

    Weet nie of divvy by AC of andersom geleer het oor media konferensies nie, maar altwee dink nie voor hulle praat nie

  • Michael - 2012-05-15 08:53

    Al, sorry mate, you should have made this reccomendation at the beginning of the tournament, doing so now just makes you look silly. However, for the sake of argument, lets say a team makes the playoffs and the day before the match they are unable to field a team because less than 15 are available - or worse, they have 2 available front row forwards so the entire match is then rendered to uncontested scrums from the kick off - does the match then get awarded as a walkover to the other qualifier?

      Jason - 2012-05-15 09:29

      Raven that's a little harsh, how was he to know these injuries would happen. Carr got injured without contact for petes sake! the reason he didn't bring it up at the beginning of the season is probably because he had no idea he would lose so many loosies! you cant predict these things!

  • Pieter - 2012-05-15 08:59

    Ag nee kom nou AC! Hoeveel spelers wil jy nou gebruik? Aan die anderkant, Stormers/WP het nou al vanjaar 6 losvoorspelers aan beserings afgestaan! Dit is net Nick Fenton Wells wat enigsens CC ondervinding het wat nog oor is en nie deel van die groep is nie, en hy is eintlik 'n klein mannetjie wat flank speel.

  • mthunzi.phakathi - 2012-05-15 09:23

    The problem is the defensive game plan, loosies should make the most tackles. The body takes too much of a pounding. Mayb he should shock us n play attacking rugby, reducing the chances of injuries.

      Christian J Denyschen - 2012-05-15 09:39

      don't hold your breath.

  • mthunzi.phakathi - 2012-05-15 09:27

    The rules n scheduling hv always favoured the assuies n kiwis. The thing i hv noticed is that with a more level playing field we find our teams winning more. Hence 3 in playoff positions at this stage. AC rules r rules buddy, unfortunate as thngs are

  • Schalk - 2012-05-15 09:27

    Shame they crying again. Play they game and stop looking for excuses!!!

  • Paul Botha - 2012-05-15 09:39

    To much tackling makes you week in the knees!! Lol

  • Zion - 2012-05-15 09:49

    Somehow the rule seems justified. Imagine if the teams had a huge amount of backup players and the subsequent chaos.

      Johan - 2012-05-15 10:25

      Surely 35 players is enough for a season. History shows loosies get injured more often. Plan better. Why not complain at the start of the season

  • Jaco - 2012-05-15 09:53

    A current regulation from SANZAR states that no player registered to a team after April 1 is allowed to participate in the playoff phase of the competition. Wat is die probleem Schalk Brits is al laasjaar in Aug. gesign Flo al in 2010 Skinstad al in 2006 Daar staan nie 1 April van watter jaar nie :) Net 'n joke voor my ma en pa se ik weer betwyfel raak. Lekker week mense

      frank.williams.100 - 2012-05-15 10:21

      I think they meant on your team for the comp list by 1st April

      BlouMasjien - 2012-05-15 11:20

      @Jaco, : )

  • Anton - 2012-05-15 09:59

    Argument Sake- Stormers get into the play-offs with not enough loosies and the Bulls not is it fair for them to say ok now we gonna ask the Bulls for Dewald or whoever, or vice versa. NOT FAIR you must play with what you have on the list as on 1 April

  • LJ - 2012-05-15 10:01

    Sien julle nou hoekom Ruaan Kitshoff pad vat om in Frankryk te gaan speel. Hoeveel spelers gaan ons nog so verloor???? Meeste driee as losvoorspeler in vodacom cup maar Coetzee gaan soek in die buiteland spelers. Hy ook wereldbeker ondervinding

      eric.viljoen - 2012-05-15 10:07

      Dit maak nie saak nie. Volgens huidige regulasie sou Kitshoff in elk geval nie kan speel in die semi's/finaal nie omdat hy nie deel was van die oorspronklike 35 man squad nie

      Anton - 2012-05-15 10:12

      Wie is Ruaan Kitshoff

      Ren%c3%a9 - 2012-05-15 10:16

      Rohan Kitshoff is in elke geval ook beseer (skouer - ek dink) en sal ook nie in die final vir WP kan uitdraf nie.

      Japjapjap - 2012-05-15 10:29

      maaaaaaaaaaaaar AS alice in wonderland net klein bietji 'visie' gehad het?? EN veral omtrent sy slim spel plan, om loosies op te gebruik soos toilet papier....

  • Anton - 2012-05-15 10:31

    Waar is die Maties se Agsteman, dink hy het heel skaflik in die Varsity reeks gespeel

  • WernerZA - 2012-05-15 10:51

    Klink soos die blinde sambok...

  • John - 2012-05-15 10:53

    @Blueraven - and I'm guessing Ludeke is behind AC right now

  • Rouen - 2012-05-15 11:40

    Just a quick question for the bulls fans that so frequently attack anything that has to do with the Stormers. Say by some wierd set of events all your props pick up injuries before the play-offs, do you really believe that teams should possibly start a game with uncontested scrums because of these regulations. I think most of you guys on here is simply arguing for the sake of it.

      marko.miladinovic.52 - 2012-05-15 14:27

      This rule applies to all teams, you burn out your team and the buy a new one from overseas to carry you to the end, now that would be unfair wouldn't it Any team who is in the same position as the Stormers will also not be happy, but rules are rules!

  • Maxine - 2012-05-15 11:41

    Note the last paragraph! This is what all other franchises do when there are injuries, they promote from within Allister! Strange how the bulls and Sharks seem to be able to cope, oh wait they use their youngsters instead of selling them.

  • Stephen - 2012-05-15 11:47

    Thanks Bulls supporters - always good for a laugh

      Anton - 2012-05-15 12:09

      Like your Profile pic

  • Malcolm - 2012-05-15 12:46

    The stormers game plan has nothing to do with their injuries to the loose forwards. Its part of the game and its unlucky but this is what brings out the character of the rest of the team. If I remember correctly none of the injuries were sustained through defence.

  • Frankie - 2012-05-15 12:48

    Ek kani wag vir die dag tot jy Allister die WP verlaat ni! Jyt al vir meer as 5 jaar van ons land se beste speelers in jo span en kan nog niks wen nie! Jyt ons vir huveel seisoene lat sukkel mt Ricky Januarie!! Jyt ons huveel games gekos mt jo groot vriend Naqelevuki!! Ons Stormers sal nooit iets wen tot die dag wat jy loop ni!

      Anton - 2012-05-15 14:37

      Franki en laat ek jou vertel ek het heelwat vriende en nogal n paar ouens wat ek ken daar in die Kaap. Moet ook by se daar is so paar wat ook vir WP gespeel het wat jou setiment deel. Die probleem is by die big shots daar wat dan afsyfer na AC. Fleck hoort nie daar nie. Proudfoot is besig om julle skrum sterk te maak

  • Corne - 2012-05-15 13:14

    The rule affects all teams so it is no big thing

  • Leonard - 2012-05-15 14:02

    Besides you know the teams will abuse it. A player may be out of form and will suddenly get " injured " and will then be replaced by a rested in- form player. That is why one has to manage the players so as not to burn them out. Go SHARKS!

  • patrickjasoncawood - 2012-05-15 14:21

    I agree with the numbers AC is suggesting and the April 1 deadline SANZAR have given Surely you have future players you should be able to add, I dont agree with bringing players in from abroad

  • Armandearl - 2012-05-15 14:43

    35 players are more than two teams!!! He wants SANZAR to announce 3 teams???

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