SANZAR may scrap bye points

2011-06-02 14:04

Brenden Nel - SuperSport

Johannesburg - One of the most controversial facets of Vodacom Super Rugby may be scrapped when the Southern Hemisphere undergoes its review at the end of the season.

Controlling body SANZAR has indicated that the format that gives teams four points for a bye is under review and if found to be detrimental to the competition’s attracting power, may well be scrapped.

Also under review is the system whereby South African teams will have an enforced first round bye due to the competition’s draw, with the organising body looking to share it between all three nations in future.

The four-point rule has been a source of confusion and consternation among fans, especially in the opening few weeks of Super Rugby where it made the log look incomplete or wrong as the amount of games didn’t always tally with team points.

SANZAR Ceo Greg Peters told that he was generally happy with the way the competition had gone in its first year of conference rugby and 15 teams, but there were always small changes that could be made to make the competition better.

One of these that was being looked at, was possibly scrapping the four point rule and reverting to the old system that a team scores no points for a bye.

“We sold the format to broadcasters for a five year period, so there will not be major changes to the structure,” Peters told, “But in terms of the four points for a bye, we will be looking at it again as there seems to be some confusion among fans. We will investigate and decide whether it is worthwhile to be continuing with it.”

“It is a new innovation and we’ve accepted it, but we can look at it again. One of the problems we are finding with it, is that in Australia and New Zealand in particular, we are not seeing the full competition table being reported.

“It is important from a fan perspective to understand the new format that the full competition table also be reported so that they can see who the conference winners will be and who the wildcard playoff qualifiers are.”

Peters added that there was some unhappiness at the draw, especially as it seemed South African sides would have to share the first round bye, which critics have slated for the way it makes one team start the competition later. “It is also something we are looking at, we think that it may be a fairer system to share things around between the three countries. It is difficult because with 15 teams you have to have one team having a bye in round one of the competition.

“Next year we also have the complication of the competition taking a break for three weeks in June and trying to accommodate the byes that fall around that period. That in itself isn’t easy. We are looking at the option of sharing that first round bye between the conferences.”

Peters said he was generally happy with the format, which will reach a crescendo as teams vie for playoff spots in the next few weeks.

“Generally across all the conferences we have seen strong crowds for the local derbies and in general South Africa has had strong crowds and high interests for some of the bigger teams. South Africa holds the record for the best crowd - the Stormers v Crusaders game with 48 300, which just shaded the Reds v Crusaders, which had 48 200.

“The strength and intensity of the local derby games has been generally positive across all three countries and we will be heading to all three countries in the next few weeks to ascertain how the various franchises have felt about the competition thus far.”


  • Rob van den Heuvel - 2011-06-02 14:08

    Time to scrap SANZAR!

      WPBEFONK - 2011-06-02 14:49

      I agree, my CHINA!!!!!!!!!!!

      JD - 2011-06-02 15:09

      SANZAR = AHOLES - 2011-06-02 15:31

      Change it to the Super 16. Have two pools of 8. Each team plays each team in their pool. Top two from the two pools meet for a semi final. (Totals 9 games for the finalists.) Then there is more time for a proper Currie Cup

  • Dr Filemon - 2011-06-02 14:12

    Some SA bonehead, an Ozzie convict and a NZ sheep-shagger got p!ssed one night and came up with this stupid format which causes confusion and loss of interest until nearly the end of the games.

  • Draconian - 2011-06-02 14:18

    Play every team! Make it fair!

      rugby_guru - 2011-06-02 14:43

      100%... Everyone plays everyone once, thats it! And you make a split, aka, year 1 we play you at home year 2 we play at home against ABC...

      gooinat - 2011-06-02 14:51

      @Guru,I agree with you!!!!!!!!!

      René Müller - 2011-06-02 14:54

      And stop playing your local teams twice!! We have the Currie Cup for that!

      StaalBurgher - 2011-06-02 15:03

      Agreed, less derbies and all teams should play against each other once.

      bakkebul - 2011-06-02 15:08

      The Aussies must be farken stupid if the 4 points for a bye confuses them!! And how is the 4 points detrimental to the competition's attracting power - have it or not have it, its not going to change Jack S.... This knopkop is insulting our intelligence by spewing all this crap!!

      JD - 2011-06-02 15:13

      I don't see why they had to go break the format in the first place, it worked, it didn't need fixing. Every body plays each other once fair and square, one year you come visit me and next year I go visit you. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. These okes all wanna do something to say "I did that" when they know F/all about what the fans (who pay there salaries) wan't. Go F/up soccer and leave Rugby alone.

  • Claude - 2011-06-02 14:20

    This format will and should not last 5 years - because if it does there won't be many spectators to watch it - wake up SANZAR - this is a spectator sport played by human beings - not by money making machines.

  • march - 2011-06-02 14:24

    New format is boring!??? Too much rugby to compete with IPL, EPL, La Liga, etc. etc. etc. I've lost interest in watching the games

      rugby_guru - 2011-06-02 14:42

      Then you not a rugby lover like me... I'll watch anything and watch highlights and still scream like its the real game!

  • Claude - 2011-06-02 14:24

    Perhaps the SANZAR Executive and Smirkface Peters should admit that they F'ed up when they dreamed up this ridiculous format.

      GHT - 2011-06-02 14:43

      Yes. But we are stuck with this format for 5 seasons! Go back to every team plays each other. Loved it. So what if SA teams have to go back to the 5 week tour down under? We are Africans! We drink beer, eat salted raw meat and the meat that we do not eat raw, we cook with fire. So whatever unfair arrangement SANZAR comes up with, we will overcome it.

  • Lloyd - 2011-06-02 14:25

    Go Sonny Bill!!!

      gooinat - 2011-06-02 14:45

      Huh?????Lloyd,waar val jy nou weer uit:):):):)Hey my Ma jou so deurmekaar gemaak?????

      Anneleen - 2011-06-02 15:09

      @Lloyd Go Dan Carter

      Johan van Zyl - 2011-06-02 15:42

      As jy iemand soek om Sonny Bill 'n paar warm klappe te gee, bel my gerus :)

      ikey_tiger - 2011-06-02 15:50

      @Lloyd: Go F yourself!!!

  • terry - 2011-06-02 14:27

    I haven't met anyone from South Africa who thinks that this format is better than the previous format where you simply played against all of the other teams in the competition. This format was designed by an Aussie to suit the Aussie teams. It is CR@P!!!

      Rob van den Heuvel - 2011-06-02 14:47

      Simply cos they don't have a domestic comp, like the Currie Cup, of their own!

      mtreherne - 2011-06-02 15:38

      It fully suits the aussies. When you have crap teams in your local pool, you make sure that the 1 good team looks good cos it is easy to beat all the local sides that you play them twice! AND by having the local winners go thought the aussies are guaranteed a team in the playoff.

  • IQ - 2011-06-02 14:31

    "But in terms of the four points for a bye, we will be looking at it again as there seems to be some confusion amongst the fans ......." The only confusion is that the Australian Administrators did not have the arithmetical acumen to look at the number of games played when viewing their respective teams log postions, hence their insistance on introducing the four points award for a bye in the first place. Saddle Bag of Wallies, the lot of them!

      StaalBurgher - 2011-06-02 15:07

      Agreed, of all the problems with the format the 4 points for a bye is the least by a country mile! Too many derbies, not playing all teams are the main ones. They can even still keep the "conference" thingie, you don't need to play each other twice as you take all your points in consideration anyway.

  • ME - 2011-06-02 14:36

    Just scrap the format!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • rugby_guru - 2011-06-02 14:41

    Ok great, and scrapping bye points will achieve what? End of the day the points will be balanced.. So what remove them or keep them, does it really matter?

      StaalBurgher - 2011-06-02 15:07

      It doesn't matter. 4 points for a bye is not the problem with the format.

  • Will99 - 2011-06-02 14:45

    This format sucks and everyone (except SANZAR) knows it. Just look at the crowd at each game. the Stormers v Crusaders game with 48 300, which just shaded the Reds v Crusaders, which had 48 200. That was only two games out of 96.

      gooinat - 2011-06-02 14:55

      I know I am going to get blasted for this:) but the attendance at the Bulls and Lions games have been shocking to say the least.

      StaalBurgher - 2011-06-02 15:07

      Good point, neither were derbies.

      Anneleen - 2011-06-02 15:10

      @gooinat Make sure you're at the finals, not sure if it will be Loftus or Soweto, but it will be packed.

      gooinat - 2011-06-02 15:23

      @Anneleen,The final will not be at either Loftus or Soweto,Cape Town Maybe:):):):):

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-02 16:11

      @Gooinat - it is that fake tosser again, using Anneleen's name now. @EFFEL: I am posting this here as well clutchplate, just in case you missed MY answer to you:\ Effel/Plesiespier/Joestormer/profile stealer of note: I read your comment you left for me with amused interest. My final thoughts on the matter: When one sets up a fake profile, using a TRUE and real photo of the person one is pertaining to be (Hannes) - and then making statements which the 'reasonable man' would attribute as coming from the person who's photo is attached to the profile...arghhh - an example: Someone sets up a fake profile using HANNE'S photo from his true profile (and the photo clearly identifies the 'real' Hannes). The username on the fake profile is also HANNES. Now the 'fake profile' makes statements like: "Ek is 'n ****** en ek slaap met Merino skape" - you don't think the real Hannes's dignity is being tramped on????? Think about it.... over and out. Now that is said and done. Seriously over and out until Monday - GO THE STORMERS!!!!!!!! (and all the other teams....ra ra)

  • Jason - 2011-06-02 14:50

    amazing how the biggest crowds attend international derbies......

  • donkerhond - 2011-06-02 14:54

    The only way you can really make your voice heard is if you hit them where it hurts most. Their pockets. We can all support the local derbies... during the Curry Cup. Don't bother with the local derbies during Super Rugby.

      rugby_guru - 2011-06-02 15:05

      That hurts our teams and stadiums..

  • crazydude - 2011-06-02 14:55

    Why don't they just admit that this '4 points for a bye' system is taken stright from the NRL. How else are we supposed to get fans to look at this type of rugby, rugby union? Of course, that's mearly an Aussie problem, but that's what's great about SANZAR, SA and NZ get to make sacrifices for Aus. As for attendances, I'm not the biggest fan of WIkipedia, and some matches have missing crowd figures; however, the average seems to have gone down. Wkipedia lists 2008's average as 21,978 2009's as 18,882 2010's as 19,536, while 2011 averages 19,004. I know that the play offs are still coming up, but this shows that the new format hasn't drastically pushed up the crowd numbers.

  • StaalBurgher - 2011-06-02 15:02

    How about scrapping all the derbies?

      Rob van den Heuvel - 2011-06-02 15:15

      This format was specifically designed to favour the Ozzie teams ( hence the Force and Rebels ).

  • Anneleen - 2011-06-02 15:08

    But then the Stormers will never make the play- offs

      Andy49 - 2011-06-02 15:33

      you been in "that" cabinet again?

      CliffBradley - 2011-06-02 16:04

      Anneleen: Wrong time for big mouth , your team is crap to say the least

  • Samaya - 2011-06-02 15:16

    They should add a second bonus point when a team scores 8 tries. So you get your 4 points for winning, a point for the first 4 tries and if you manage the second set of 4 tries you get another bonus. Say the bulls play against the Rebels and they have scored 4 tries in the first half, currently they won't need to do much more and they can play at their leisure and the game becomes too relaxed to watch further. So if you add the 2nd bonus the Bulls could have more motivation to get that 2nd point = more entertaining Rugby.

      bakkebul - 2011-06-02 15:35

      Don't you think 8 is stretching it a bit too far? Another bonus point for 6 tries maybe?

  • CapeTownJunk - 2011-06-02 15:20

    This "four points for a bye" concept is only difficult to understand if you're easily confused.

      Hannes van der Linde - 2011-06-02 15:36

      I agree

  • Met Uysh! - 2011-06-02 15:33

    "...we think that it may be a fairer system to share things around between the three countries" Geeezzz huh? You think? Really?? Retard!!

  • crocowild - 2011-06-02 15:39

    If you take the Stormers crowds at Newlands away,then there is nearly no one left on the SA side of things.Now that s what you call supporters,even if your team wins silverware only once in a blue moon.The Newlands crowd should get a trophy for being the best supporters in SA.

  • Meyer - 2011-06-02 15:39

    Fcuk Sanzar! Bring back test Rugby...

      Rob van den Heuvel - 2011-06-02 15:53

      I like! A good old fashioned tour complete with mid-week games. Yes, yes, yes!

      Rob van den Heuvel - 2011-06-02 15:55

      In addition to this, how about "an international window". Naas has been talking about it for how many years? Come on SARU, take the lead, show these guys.

  • The_Fox - 2011-06-02 15:53

    Whether you get 4/8/12 points for a bye or zero is not the point - each team must play against each other once, simple.

  • The_Fox - 2011-06-02 15:54

    Ek drink nie brandy nie!

  • Shorts1 - 2011-06-02 16:10

    It makes absolutely no difference one way or the other. Either each of the teams in the competition receives the same number of points for their bye or every team gets nothing. No big deal. Why the fuss????

  • 2nd coming - 2011-06-02 16:23

    Bye bye bye points

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  • Black Falcon - 2011-06-02 16:52

    Didn't the Reds vs Crusaders game draw a crowd of 48 301? That is more than the Stormers vs Crusaders game.

  • ALCAB - 2011-06-02 18:36

    How do you earn points without playing ?

  • Charles - 2011-06-03 11:56

    I like Explores idea because the NZ and AR have nothing like the Currie Cup and it will benefit SA rugby

  • YB Normal - 2011-06-03 12:21

    the 4 points for a bye is absolutely stupid, all the teams have 2 byes, therefore all get 8 points. The 4 points for a bye only make teams at the bottom of the log look much better than what they really are as the do not end the tournament with nothing. So scrapped it that we can see the real points earned for games played only. I agree the bye should be rotated between countries, and teams. Why only have one country carry the burden of starting late. Well they should also not allow teams to complain and change the schedule the way it happen this year, where the Guppie management complained as they were orginally scheduled to start later. In hindsight it work for the stormers as it allowed us the extra week of preparations and to wait for some of our missing players to return, without us playing to many games without them

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