Crusaders weren't cleared

2012-04-10 15:52

Johannesburg - The eye-gouging claims that overshadowed the Bulls' win over the Crusaders on the weekend will fade into the darkness, but will leave some bad blood between the two former Super Rugby champion teams if they happen to meet again later in the competition.

The Crusaders may have escaped censure by the SANZAR disciplinary appeal, but despite reports to the contrary, have not been cleared of the claims made during last Saturday’s game.

The matter has been let go simply because there is no evidence to substantiate the claim, SANZAR chief executive Greg Peters told 3News in New Zealand.

“It doesn’t mean they are cleared, it simply means that there is no video evidence to substantiate the claim,” Peters told the television stadium, adding that the governing body would not be looking at any further steps against either team.

The controversy angered the Crusaders and the Bulls replied on Monday they would not submit to a demand for an apology, standing by their claims that the incidents happened.

But where the Bulls fell flat, SANZAR has now asked teams to add a second report after a match, something which was not done by the Bulls at the time. Therefore, there was no other evidence to consider other than the video footage of the match, which offered no help to substantiate the claims.

Peters said this would now become a requirement for any white card action.

“We’ll be telling the teams today that there will be an expectation from SANZAR that if they make a referral on field, they follow it up after the match,” Peters said.

The SANZAR ceo added that in future, any false claims would fall under bringing the game into disrepute, and punished accordingly.

“We would look at teams who are making vexatious complaints, or if we found it to be the case. We may take action under our code of conduct for bringing the game into disrepute.”


  • louis.langenhoven - 2012-04-10 16:29

    this is putting the whole matter much more in perspective. Good on you Ian Swartz's for refusing to apologise. Mr Pufadder was just trying his luck.

      Rodney - 2012-04-10 17:34

      Louis Bulls have not won anything by refusing to apologize . Just proves that they didnt do their homework thoroughly by not submitting a more detailed report .. and this is coming from a bull fanatic "geehullehorings

      Terence - 2012-04-10 18:08

      Rodney, you are as much a Bulls fanatic as I'm a Stormers fanatic.

  • Priester - 2012-04-10 16:37

    Ek se weer as ek op skool gebank het en die onnie het my nie gevang nie beteken dit nie dat ek nie gebank het nie.

      Ren%c3%a9 - 2012-04-10 16:48

      Wat ek nie verstaan nie, hoekom die wit kaart SOWEL as 'n verslag na die tyd??? Kyk bv Jannie du Plessis insident - wit kaart Dieselfde vir Jantjies vd Leeus. - action taken move on. Hoekom was daar nie 'n issue oor die verslag na die tyd nie? Ai toggie, omdat dit nou die Crusaders is, spring almal op en af om hulle happy te hou.

      Doc - 2012-04-10 17:01

      Spot on Rene

      Priester - 2012-04-10 17:48

      René ek stem saam . Dit klink vir my hulle soek redes om nie die wit kaart op te volg nie. Net papier werk vir die geleerdes om as 'n tegniese punt te gebruik en die skuldiges kwyt te skeld.

  • Doc - 2012-04-10 16:55

    I can understand if one guy makes a complaint even if in error (maybe he got an accidental poke or something in the eye) but when two different guys make the same allegation on the same day on the same field one has believe that there is fire by the smoke. Crusaders are almost bottom of the NZ log and their frustration is creeping in. Just own it boys and stop demanding apologies from the boys that f@#$%d you up Saturday.

  • Michael - 2012-04-10 17:00

    Struggling to understand what mr. Peters' point is exactly... 'There is no evidence and they won't get any penalty, yet they aren't cleared'.. What are they then?? And what is a report gonna change? 'He poked me in the eye sir.. Well, you can't prove it so just write us a report for filing purposes'...

  • Gavin - 2012-04-10 17:17

    it's fine when the trash Crusaders cheat themselves to victory, but accuse them of something we know they're guilty of and they prance around like a bunch of fairies.

      Heiku - 2012-04-10 17:42

      We eye gouge some british guy and then we call them fairies, then we get eye gouged by some islander and we call them fairies. I like it! :)

  • Lynda - 2012-04-11 06:56

    Put the complainants on a polygraph test - that would clear up if the accusations were manufactured or not. I thought Flips eye was evidence enough - or did one of his own okes do it to him by accident?

      Reinette - 2012-04-11 08:21

      Aah Dave now I know where I've seen you before, you were one of the extras in Once Were Warriors. Those alcoholic, wife beating, girl raping NZslutters who can only find a job as a garbage man (when not in jail).

      Dave - 2012-04-11 08:38

      And you were one of those mutants from District 9 you pillow biter.

      Reinette - 2012-04-11 09:00

      If my choice was gross alien or whatever species "Dave" is part of, well easy choice. I’m so sorry you have such a hatred of South Africans, and we understand, because greatness is always hated and feared.

      Dave - 2012-04-11 09:09

      I'm sorry but as far as rugby goes, SA hasn't been great since the 70's. As far as SA goes it has never been great and the droves of your citizens that are moving to Aust and NZ proves that. Enjoy the aids.

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-04-11 17:22

      you guys should get a life and talk Sport on here and not act like 10 year olds...

  • Mario - 2012-04-11 08:04

    " video evidence to substantiate the claim,” Peters told the television stadium..." And the television stadium listened with great interest.

  • Reinette - 2012-04-11 09:27

    The reason South Africans are so vocal about incidents like these are that it appears as though NZers have completely lost all understanding of the spirit of the game. Rugby is a game of gentleman, built on great sportsmanship, amazing ability, camaraderie and respect for other players. NZers believe the game is won off the field these days and aren ever willing to take responsibility for any foul play, misinterpretation/total disregard of the rules and as such the moral decay of the game as a whole. Trolls like Dave prove this point. Unfortunately I did allow myself to get sucked in by his negativity, just as teams playing against NZ teams are sometimes sucked in to playing the underhanded game as so perfectly mastered by NZers.

      Dave - 2012-04-11 10:28

      I can't remember the last time NZ wasn't ranked #1. We may not have won the RWC for a while but we have been ranked #1 pretty much ever since rankings were published. As for defending the title, well well just wait and see but if the present state of affairs is anything to go by then the springboks don't have a hope in hell. Who won your last encounter withScotland Einstein?

  • patrickjasoncawood - 2012-04-11 17:20

    I dont believe there was any eye gouging Who is stupid enough in the times with all the cameras to carry out such an act. It would of been caught on camera if it happend Eyes can get gouged by mistake as it's a contact sport but I dont believe it was on purpose The Crusaders are a World Class outfit who play by the rules Not saying the Bulls players are making this up

  • Caleb - 2012-04-12 04:02

    I cannot believe how many uneducated 'jump on the band wagon' people are on this website, it really makes a mockery. If anyone had actually watched the whole game, they would see the much publicised and flaunted cut under van de Merwe's eye, which the media and Flip all claimed to be from gauging, happened earlier in the game when Flip actually had to go off and get treatment. The cameras show he did this in a tackle and then claimed it was gauging! chilliboy didnt even cover his eyes, when he claimed to be gauged, now this would be a natural reaction. This is just typical, we all know why the Bulls management didnt file their complaint/report properly, because they did not have a case to bring! With all the cameras on the field in todays game, nothing gets shown! Just plain underhanded tactics from the Bulls. I dont disagree that other teams are dirty as well, but this is a new level, shame on you Bulls, and everyone that doesnt have the sporting nouse to research this themselves.

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