S15: SA rugby shows its health

2012-07-14 22:11

Cape Town – Whatever happens in the remaining three weekends of knockout fare in Super Rugby, South African rugby has affirmed its well-being by effectively having dominated the lion’s share of the 2012 competition.

Last year, the first of the new conference system, the ordinary-season programme – let’s face it, really the “marathon” part of the race -- ended with two sides apiece from South Africa, New Zealand and Australia qualifying for the playoffs.

But this season is the first to be fairly obviously bossed by one nation ... and that honour falls this country’s way as all of the overall log-winning Stormers plus Bulls and Sharks have made it through the six-team funnel.

They will be joined by the Chiefs and Crusaders from New Zealand and just one qualifier from Australia, defending champions the Reds, after Jake White’s Brumbies cruelly plummeted right out of contention on the last full-programme Saturday by crashing at home to the Blues without even a losing bonus point that would have ensured their onward passage.

The Stormers and Chiefs now bask in the luxury of a bye weekend ahead of their home semis while they await the outcomes of finals series qualifiers next Saturday between the Crusaders and Bulls (09:35, Christchurch) and Reds and Sharks (11:40, Brisbane).

It was a nervy old weekend for just about all the sides who started it in the playoffs hunt, with several of them failing to play to potential – the Stormers had some especially unexpected white-knuckle periods at Newlands against the modest Melbourne Rebels – as the various order-of-placing permutations clearly affected mindsets.

But at the end of it all South Africans were broadly entitled to a degree of smug satisfaction.

Considering the retirements of so many iconic Springbok figures at the end of last season, this was thought to be something a transitional year for our rugby, with the attached pitfalls that phenomenon can bring.

And while world champions the All Blacks will undoubtedly and rightly still be installed as favourites for the new-look Rugby Championship, the Super Rugby campaign thus far has shown South African rugby’s heart to be still beating strongly in most respects.

As Pierre Spies, the Bulls captain, noted in the immediate post-match television interview after his team had seen off the plucky Lions 37-20 at Loftus, some pundits had not tipped the Pretoria-based side to feature in the playoffs at all in 2012, so they have already exceeded expectations.

Their “punishment”, alas, for ending just above the Sharks is what seems the trickier overseas trek, to play the seven-time champion Crusaders in their own stronghold.

The Bulls have a pretty good modern home record against these foes ... but quite the opposite applies when it comes to tackling them abroad.

It was a tribute to the Lions’ resolve, in fact, that the Bulls found themselves not having the liberty of attempting to win without a bonus point, and thereby getting the Reds fixture in Brisbane instead (which goes to the Sharks who may have a more realistic chance of progressing, despite also coming off a debilitating long haul).

The game at Loftus was fast and fluid and, with the Lions right in it at 20-20 at the break, Spies and company simply had to gratefully bank every point on the scoreboard that came their way, and abandon possible thoughts of some cunning manipulation.

Although the Bulls rectified many of their first-half gremlins in a much more dominant and physically imposing second, the mediocrity of their scrummaging was exposed once more; it is something that will mightily interest the formidable Crusaders’ front-row arsenal of Messrs Crockett, Flynn and the two Franks brothers.

As for the Sharks, their comfortable 34-15 victory over the Cheetahs only provided further evidence of what a fickle side they can be: they were lethargic in the first 40 minutes and nine points adrift, but then galloped to a four-try haul in the second period.

If the quality of that second half can be repeated for the major portion of their game in Queensland, there is no reason why they should not come away with a win – they have already beaten the Reds once this season, 27-22 at Mr Price Kings Park in mid-March.

It would set them up for a cracking semi-final derby against the Stormers at Newlands, although the dice remains loaded against Keegan Daniel’s outfit, given the travel factor.

The Reds sweat for the moment on the fate of string-pulling Quade Cooper, who faces citing procedures before they will know whether he can take up arms against the KwaZulu-Natalians.

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  • orrinf8 - 2012-07-14 22:21


      thomas.cannon.712 - 2012-07-15 01:49

      I am a Bulls supporter but damn I am a SA supporter most of all!!!!!!! GO STORMERS AND SHARKS!!! The Sharks can do it, just put relentless pressure on Geneua and Cooper they don't like that!!! My Bulls have a monumental task, more so if they don't get their scrums right!!! Pier battles to control a ball at the back of a scrum, which causes confusion for Hougaard or a turn over!!! The Stormers worry me because they have been struggling and not looking like the team we know they are!!! With the Sharks and Bulls scoring a lot more tries because the are offloading more, the Stormers have too many ball killers that stop many scoring moves being finished off!!!! One thing is sure all our players to a man will have to lift their intensity 100%. I'm of old school "Colin Meads, John Gainsford Joggie Janson Frik DuPreez" so when I see these antics after scoring ( DE Jong) it looks stupid and degrading to rugby!! This isn't Grid- Iron or Soccer, it's a mans game, act like a man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      klark.kent.942 - 2012-07-15 03:39

      We would like to thank the bulls in advance for travelling to the House of Pain to get their fat butts walloped by the Crusaders, enjoy the ride back home

      jason.children - 2012-07-15 09:11

      Firstly Thomas you are badmouthing the Stormers in your post just after saying you are a proud Saffa! The Stormers finished Top of the log with only 2 losses. That in itself is an incredible feat! And as for post try celebrations its been happening for a long time, Breyton did it.....the Maori guys do it! Its a part of professional sport. His try and dance would be shown on rugby shows around the world, increasing his reach and popularity! Just because it wasn't done in the "OLD" days doesn't mean there is no place for expressing yourself! Not everything you guys did when you were young is the only right way to do things.

      Flemjob - 2012-07-15 10:14

      We're still miles behind NZ. And just remember, the Kiwi sides had to play each other twice. I'm a Stormers supporter but was hardly entertained once by the rugby they've played. If your entire reason for watching rugby is results then that's fine. I watch it to be entertained. Dancing after scoring? I don't see a problem with it. Put on a show, some of us are dying for it. Would be nice to see the Cheetahs making the top 6, instead of the Bulls. Sharks are looking pretty good.

      japjapjap.wat - 2012-07-15 11:29

      @thomas- Only men, can act like 'a man'?? And as Jason said, paulse did it, aplon, habana, grant etc. - it's a coloured thing?? And as everybody knows, it doesn't happen very often down there, especially in du' jong case- I think with these 2 tries against the weakest side in S15; he only scored 5 in his whole career?? And yes I’m also old school, which means, true men, true champs??

      orrinf8 - 2012-07-15 12:14

      you go de Jongh, you good thing .. geez, but these pre-his-torians really do have a pain for SA's FLAGSHIP rugby franchise, THE MIGHTY STORMERS .. it's not our fault there's NO RHYTHM in northern transvaal .. LOL ..

      thomas.cannon.712 - 2012-07-16 00:46

      Jason, Jason!! I never badmouthed the Stormers, but gave constructive points about the Stormers and my team the Bulls thats a worry going into the play-offs!!! As much as we support all our teams we cannot turn a blind eye to their glaring weaknesses!! The Saders have a perfect game as the Bulls rely much on foreward power, but that has been shown up lately hence the comment!!! The Stormers have been leaking tries to lower teams and struggling to put them away, that's a worry because the big boys won't be so easy to hold out!! I know what I think about antics after scoring won't change things but the Bulls, Sharks Cheetahs and Lions win that dance competetion hands down!!!! orrinf8 SA Flagship the Stormers and no RHYTHM in the north??? You mean all flags and no trophys and if we talking about rhythm from tries, then it's all in the North and East!!!!!'

      jason.children - 2012-07-16 08:02

      @Thomas, The Stormers have been leaking tries????? we have the best defensive record in the competition. The Bulls have given away the most tries, so if anyone is leaking tries its your boys. Our glaring weaknesses?????? If you consider winning all but 2 of our games and finishing top of the overall log a glaring weakness then ok i guess. You are a blinkered Bulls supporter that wouldnt know good rugby if it jumped up and bit you right on the rugby! lol

  • anneck.cranke - 2012-07-14 22:29

    SA rugby shows it's health?? Oh no! Whatever more can the politicians do to wreck it, besides shoving in the Kings next year?

      jan.scheepers.927 - 2012-07-15 08:35

      What a conclusion! I am not so sure about this health. Two SA teams beat another two and the Stormers find it difficult against a dirt trailer. What could be worse! Four SA teams drew and the Stormers scoring no tries?

      jason.children - 2012-07-15 09:14

      Jan you moron, SA have the most teams in the playoffs! That means SA rugby is pretty healthy right now. Not to mention the English tour Victory! Stop being so negative, living in your home must be painful!

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-15 10:48

      but what did nick mallet have to say about it?

      hugo.naude - 2012-07-15 13:11

      Jason you moron ... what u and other Stormer fans do not realize is that the SA team with the most realistic chance of winning the cup this year is NOT the table-topping Stompies (another yr without a major trophy .... bwahahahaha) or my own team (the Bulls - hd a good year concidering where and with what they started - should get rid of a few players shown to NOT be Super rugby talent ... Dewald Potgieter = overrated; Jacques Potgieter = needs to bulk up or ship out; our locks need a lot more bulk to impose themselves next season; we need props with a bit more mongrel in them ... among the backs we should ship Sadie back to CT and give them meisiekind as a bonusgift as well and try to buy Frans Steyn from the sharks and Goosen from the Cheetahs) ... the Bulls will not get past the Crusaders next week ... and the Sharks are left as the ONLY team to give us a win. They have the pack to intimidate any overseas or local team, the backs to score tries from anywhere, and a kicking game that has not let them down. They have proven they can score tries and that is what will be needed in the next 2 weeks to win the cup. The Stompies will not win since they do not know how to score tries and once they fall behind they will be unable to come back ... If the Sharks can get past the Reds I believe it will be a Crusader/Shark Final ...

      jan.scheepers.927 - 2012-07-15 15:25

      Jason, thanks for the complement but I think you live in a fools paradise. Only 24% of readers think we can win the Championships in August. Pretty healthy?

  • etienne.pienaar.37 - 2012-07-14 22:31

    sharks peaking at the right time , go boys - 2012-07-15 01:30

      and so r the CRUSADERS!!

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-15 09:43

      quite right pat cam, but nick mallet didnt say the crusaders would win the title. so that means they cant - 2012-07-15 11:06

      i dont care wot nick mallet sez, i care about wot i say!! not once did i mention anything about the CRUSADERS winning!!

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-15 16:40

      but nick mallet said the stormers have won it

  • - 2012-07-14 22:41

    SA Rugby, that bastion of steroid abuse. It is about time the IRB investigates the use of steroids in schoolboy and varsity rugby in SA. The local officials turn a blind eye.

      vanrayner - 2012-07-14 22:53

      says a sor\r\ne loser ha ha ha. Leg up mate

      vanrayner - 2012-07-14 22:54

      says a sor\r\ne loser ha ha ha. Leg up mate

      vanrayner - 2012-07-14 22:54

      says a sor\r\ne loser ha ha ha. Leg up mate

      Hannes Truter - 2012-07-15 00:11

      Dis rooivleis jou dom skaapkop!!

      klark.kent.942 - 2012-07-15 03:36

      Yes going to take a lot of the boke fatties out of the game they will get caught, another embarrassment looming for SA rugby!!

      stefan.vosloo.33 - 2012-07-15 06:36

      Rather investigate mccheat and co, as well as the way SA players get punished vs the let off for the NZ and AUS players

      niel.walt - 2012-07-15 08:38

      Ozzy, very good point, I work at a supplement division at a pharmacy over weekends and literally not a weekend passes where we don't have schoolboys asking us for roids, they use jack3d and other dmaa supplements knowing that it is illegal yet they don't care.

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-15 09:19

      bud nothing wrong with controlled steroid use, as long as you are older than 13 i reckon. but ive never tried it obvs. i know some guys who have and they are jacked! one guy died that i know of a heart attack but he was getting a bit old for pro sport anyway, he was like 24 or something. he was taking roids for about 8 years at that time. i think his death is unrelated to roids though because he was a stormers supporter and that probably killed him, bored to death - 2012-07-15 11:07

      tomtheturd almost made a funny!!

      CapeChappy - 2012-07-15 17:41

      @ OzzyinSA: I assume by your repeated childish commentary you are too young to remember, but the Aus Rugby Union covered up continuous steroid use by Ben Tune (amongst others) not too long ago...

  • leigh.mapu - 2012-07-14 22:45

    Forgot to mention that SA also has the last placed team, and the Cheetahs who are 10th. If you added all the final placings of the respective conferences, NZ would have the lowest (35), followed by SA (37), and then AUS (lost count).

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-14 23:41

      and your point is? pretty inane post

      cf.coetzee.3 - 2012-07-14 23:48

      What's your point?the cheetahs beat the hurricanes at home!its obvious nzl have brilliant teams but south africa also have very good teams!

      leigh.mapu - 2012-07-15 00:08

      My point is SA did not "dominate the lions share of the 2012 competition", as suggested by this blatantly biased article.

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-15 00:12

      err TV viewers: SA dominated no of teams in the top 6: SA dominated k thx bye

      leigh.mapu - 2012-07-15 00:26

      Last placed team: SA dominated Potential audience: SA dominated Best collective placings: NZ dominated Get a new argument you pretentious p***k - 2012-07-15 01:27

      @tomtheturd, how big is your population again??? u dumb knob!! wow more tv viewers, congrads!! 3 sa teams in top six, well then i can say 2 NEW ZEALAND teams in the top four!!! stupid fool!!!

      frans.visserdsb - 2012-07-15 03:25

      Leigh, very interesting and valid point. Total number of games won :NZ sides 46, SA sides 42 and Aussie sides 32. Total number of log points : NZ sides 264, SA sides 247 and Aussies 210. So the Kiwis had on average the better sides, and the fact that we had two of the weaker sides in the competition helped us sneak 2 sides in because of the home and away format for the local derbies. It is quite clear though that the Aussies are the weakest conference.

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-15 09:19

      and i say, talk to the hand

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-15 09:45

      but the biggest problem i see with this is that nick mallet said the stormers will win the s15, so therefore all your points are invalid i set up 15 facebook profiles to give me 15 thumbs up

  • emmanuel.modika - 2012-07-14 23:55

    Up the Bulls no competition

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-15 00:15

      now this is a black man i like

      niel.walt - 2012-07-15 08:30

      Typical, bulls lose 4 out of 5 against tough teams and win the last game against the bottom of the log team and all of a sudden there's no competition.

      mario.borchards - 2012-07-15 08:32

      @ tom tardis: 'now this is a black man i like' You are not only stupid but ignorant......It is people like you that encourages and prolongs racism in S.A and the worst part is that you post these stupid racial comments on forums maybe you should go to one of the townships and scream out racial rhetoric there and then see how far it gets f****** coward!

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-15 09:23

      whats the issue? i said i like this black man. i didnt say i hate him, how is that racial? u saw what u wanted to see

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-15 09:46

      emmanual dont be an idiot, nick mallet said the stormers will win the title. i will take my children in future for that great man to touch their heads and bless them like a religious zealot

      japjapjap.wat - 2012-07-15 12:22

      @mario- hierdie 'SWART' man/ou is heel trots op wie en wat hy is en van watter stam/volk hy is?? hy is ni so 'n pateet soos jy, wat minderwaardig voel, omdat jy miskien minderwaardig is ni?? sommige van julle kleurlinge het so 'n groot identiteits krisis, niemand kan, of wil saam met julle werk ni- gaan haal eerder jo 'innerlike trauma' uit, op jo ruggraadlose voorouers?? @tom- "if you tell a lie, they will hate you...but if you tell the truth, they will try to kill you??"

      john.edwards.733450 - 2012-07-15 19:10

      Why so serious niel ?.. it's just the optimism bias speaking

  • johan.spies.18 - 2012-07-15 00:17

    Isn't it wonderful! And then with an all SA final between the Bulls and Sharks, can't wait

      grammarand.spelling.9 - 2012-07-15 00:27

      me neither

      jean.tredoux.5 - 2012-07-15 07:00

      I'm so gonna enjoy the crushing defeat of the bulls and sharks... But I do think it's cute how you guys stay so optimistic, just keep those tissues nearby okay!

      nick.spangenberg.52 - 2012-07-15 07:50


      troy.kimpton.5 - 2012-07-15 09:29

      i very much doubt it

      david.s.duncan.1 - 2012-07-15 09:42

      We'll get our revenge for 2007 :-)

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-15 09:47

      johan nick mallet said the stormers would win, he didnt say anything about the bulls and sharks. i mean, it's nick mallet we talking about. the guy who dropped the great g teichman for bobby skinstad. probably becaue bobby wanted to give him a rimming with that tongue ring

      hoffjw - 2012-07-15 16:08

      Dude...crusaders will beat the bulls...#stormers groete...

  • Rich - 2012-07-15 01:19

    Typical article from sport 24. You only need one team in the play offs to lift the trophy. No one cares or remembers which country had the most teams in the playoffs. Pride comes before a fall - which country had the team that finished bottom?

      johan.spies.18 - 2012-07-15 01:31

      @Rich Go mate with your sister, don't stop generations of inbreeding here

      johan.spies.18 - 2012-07-15 01:39

      @Rich YAWN!!

      Rich - 2012-07-15 01:48

      Johan, what I meant to say was, please continue to interbreed all you like. If thats what you're into then so be it but please keep it to yourself. Whatever tickles your fancy. And the whole YAWN thing - tired.

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-15 09:48

      nick mallet said stormers will win the title. please stop bickering, the matter was settled yesterday

      yvettesteven.loots - 2012-07-15 12:17


  • Karel du Toit - 2012-07-15 02:32

    Why must the sharks travel to queensland if the reds should be in sixth position?

      leigh.mapu - 2012-07-15 03:01

      Ask the SARU, this system was their doing

      stefan.vosloo.33 - 2012-07-15 06:33

      You probably mean SANZAR....

      leigh.mapu - 2012-07-15 07:17

      No stiffan. SARU pushed for this format, not the other unions.

      Jason Children - 2012-07-15 07:54

      actually Leigh i think you will find that Aus and Kiwis pushed for this format because more local derbys mean more bums in seats. we already have the Currie Cup. they, especially aus, dont have big local tournaments.

      leigh.mapu - 2012-07-15 08:15

      Jason, SARU wanted the top team from each conference to fill the top 3 spots. NZ & Aus were opposed to the idea but had to concede when SA flexed their financial muscle. And I think you'll find NZ has the NPC, arguably the best national championship in the world.

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-15 09:24

      leigh, i think u will find no one cares

      jason.children - 2012-07-15 09:47

      @Leigh where do you get your BS from???? On May 19, 2009, following prolonged negotiations, SANZAR unveiled its model for an expanded season to start in 2011. This model was due to be presented to current broadcast rights holder News Corporation for approval before the end of June 2009. The new structure is based around the original ARU proposal for three national conferences, whereby each side would have played the other four teams from their own country twice and all of the other teams once, before a six team finals series. However, there were two major compromises that – while somewhat complicating the model – were designed to accommodate the wishes of all three countries. Firstly, each team would only play four of the five teams in each of the other two national conferences, meaning sixteen regular season games for each team. This 'trimming' of the model would allow for a late February start (somewhat placating the ARU and NZRU who wanted a March start), a three week gap for the June test matches (favoured by the SARU) and an early August finish so as not to overlap new streamlined versions of New Zealand and South Africa's domestic competitions. Secondly, the three conference winners and the three best performed of the remaining teams would qualify for a three week finals series, with seedings deciding the match-ups. This system would be a hybrid of the conference-based qualification system favoured by the SARU and the 'top six' model favoured by the ARU and NZRU.

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-15 09:49

      because karel, the stormers have won the title already - the ordained anointed one, nick mallet said so

      leigh.mapu - 2012-07-15 10:25

      Jason! Yes, the NZRU & ARU favoured a "top 6" finals format, but it was the SARU who pushed for the conference winners to make up the top 3! If you're gonna reference Wikipedia, make sure you know the facts first!

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-15 10:49

      leigh mapu have u ever heard of nick mallet? please before u comment on things u dont know about, the stormers will win the s15

      niel.walt - 2012-07-15 12:36

      He also thought the boks would win the world cup when he coached them, wish he would take over the cheetas from naka

  • grant.butler.104 - 2012-07-15 06:30

    Another fugly win by the Stormers, heavens above that team has put me through an emotional roller coaster this season so far! Nerves finished! Congratulations to the Bulls and Sharks.....Brussow leaving at half time had a seemingly very negative on the Cheetahs overall performance.....Hope you were watching Heneke? Tough task for Sharks and Bulls but at lleast they now have a real chance.....go SA boys!!!

      frans.visserdsb - 2012-07-15 08:51

      Yeah... I think Brussouw was incredible. he played as if he had a point to prove...

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-15 09:49

      no point to prove, nick mallet said stormers will win the s15, what other point needs to be proved?

  • claude.felbert - 2012-07-15 07:42

    Perhaps the retirement at the end of last year of a number of Springboks was a blessing in disguise. Some of them retired not a moment too soon and some perhaps a season too late. The emergence of many new exciting players has shown that what ever happens from now to the end of the Super Rugby season we have got an excellent pool of players to build with. Let us hope that they all get a fair chance to prove themselves.

  • - 2012-07-15 07:50

    I don't like the points system SANZAR borrowed from the NFL. The Reds have 58 points, and the Sharks (and Bulls for that matter) have 59, yet the Sharks have to play an away game, because the Reds are "Australian conference winners"? If it wasn't for the "Conference" system, they (the Reds) would be 6th on the log, yet they have a "play-off" with home ground advantage. - 2012-07-15 08:27

      2 seasons in and u only figure out now how it works??? shame!! thats the way it is!! get over it!! dam wot a whiner!!!

      mario.borchards - 2012-07-15 08:33

      the whole conference system is idiotic, changes needs to be made!

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-15 09:26

      it favours the stormers too much, since conference thing came now we have to hear how they won the connie cup like its more important than the big cup

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-15 09:51

      whatever nick mallet said the stormers will win the S15....while he was sitting in the studio!!! the man is a genius!!! so kindly shut up and give the S15 trophy to the stormers and stop bickering. crusaders, chiefs, bulls, sharks, reds, nullified by one man, the great man who took italia to 6th place in the 6 nations has proclaimed the stormers victors for 2012!!!!!!

      Craven Luyt - 2012-07-15 10:27

      Apparently Nick Mallet has H W S tattoo'd on his willy. When he gets a stiffy it says Here We go Stormers. Regards Craven. - 2012-07-15 12:29

      @ Really no need to get personal and insult people. No one needs to "get over" anything. Well, maybe not everyone.

  • gilla23 - 2012-07-15 09:24

    so who will the kings replace? I think they should replace bafana, same level.. Just different sport. Congratz to the 'other sa qualifiers', letz go stormers

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-15 09:52

      the stormers will be replaced by the kings because they feel they only lost 2 games and nick mallet said they would win the trophy, they want a rest so they can go dancing with juan de jongh and whoring with andries looks like a vark bekker

      gilla23 - 2012-07-15 10:45

      name calling, so bullish lol pink bullish

  • harold.chisimba - 2012-07-15 09:49


      tom.tardis - 2012-07-15 10:17

      yes dat is quite obvious. pls elaborate on wot ur pnt is

      Craven Luyt - 2012-07-15 10:22

      If you are slender and underweight you need an HIV test. Good luck with the results, Craven

      henrymatthews4 - 2012-07-15 10:22

      HEheheheheheheheheheeheh,great tom,im a stormer but just had a good laugh about 'but nick mallet said' classic hehehehehehehehehehe

      henrymatthews4 - 2012-07-15 10:33

      hahahhahahahhahahahhahahahahahaha,good one craven

  • danie.fick.98 - 2012-07-15 10:07

    Wel gedaan aan die 3 spanne van SA wat dit gemaak het.....dis great om te sien.... ek hou duim vas Sharks en Bulls om dit te maak vir die semi's... Kom ons wys die oorsee spanne ons staan vir niemand meer terug nie!! Cheetahs groete!!

  • Craven Luyt - 2012-07-15 10:37

    Wouldn't it be great if SARU could set aside provincialism and supply the Bok coaches as technical advisors to the three SA teams, especially the two away teams, we need to create a culture of winning in Oz and NZ. Sterkte Bulls. Craven

  • henrymatthews4 - 2012-07-15 10:43

    After watching the test series and super matches how does everyone feels about what changes should be made in springbok team,please dont come with redicilous choices like wynand olivier or sias ebersohn,would be interesting to see what everyone feels?????

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-15 10:54

      just take griquas, border, boland, ep players so the real provinces can focus on the currie cup please. im tired of seeing the greatest provincial tournament be reduced to a vodacom cup rerun every year just for this year so we can enjoy it one time before it becomes completely irrelevant

      henrymatthews4 - 2012-07-15 11:14

      My team: 15 F STEYN 14 JP PETERSON 13 J DE VILLIERS 12 ??? 11 BASSON 10 LAMBIE 9 PIENAAR 8 ALBERTS 7 COETZEE 6 KOLISIE 5 KRUGER 4 ETZEBETH 3 J DU PLESSIS 2 BISMARCK 1 BEAST 16)STRAUSS 17)??? 18)BRUSSOUW 19)BEKKER 20)HOUGAARD 21)APLON Wie stel julle voor vir 17???? Ek gooi n klip in die bos-Ons sit met die beste tegniese ontleders en specialist training staff in die wereld,ons weet almal Spies is nie gemaak vir voorspeler spel nie,hys te lig in die broek en pateties op agsteman,dat hy talent het ...ja,hoekom maak hulle hom nie groot vir n binnesenter nie,hy het spoed en met die hulp van ons mense kan hy dalk n goeie nr 12 wees. Met hierdie span kan ons nog gaan vir die volgende 2 wereldbekers want dis n jong span Wat dink julle???

      niel.walt - 2012-07-15 13:05

      In 2 world cups de villiers will be 130 years old. 12 will be jan serfontein, 13 francois steyn/ de jongh/engelbrecht. and 10 johan goosen, 9 hougaard\\piet van zyl and 1 is easy choice, coenie oosthuizen. 8 josh strauss and 7 alberts with kolisi at 6. Lambie for 15 or jaco taute. Mvovo instead of basson and jp instead of gio, praise his big heart all u want, gio is too small for test rugby

      niel.walt - 2012-07-15 17:58

      Don't write off sias, kurtley beale and quade cooper also started out as poor players but talent has grown them into attacking geniuses today, sias has the talent, plenty of it, he just needs to find his feet and what game he is comfortable with. He will come through

      john.edwards.733450 - 2012-07-15 19:53

      You say no ridiculous choices like Wo but you select Kolisie on 6? .. what has he done except tackle in the SR competition .. I would rather see HB back since he is playing some damn fine Rugby again since he was dropped and had to up his game. Lambie to the bench Taute at 15 F Steyn stays at inside center Morne at 10 ( Goosen on the bench if he's available ) P van Zyl at 9 Alberts & Coetzee to stay on the flank Kanko at 8 ( Spies needs to up his game against NZ and Oz competition )

      niel.walt - 2012-07-15 20:08

      Jan serfontein is a serious talent although that is a bit further ahead, frans steyn deff in there, I also feel robert ebersohn deserves a chance as he is the only actual 13 sa has atm. In top form goosen should start ahead of morne, much more to offer. I agree with the hb comment, he has seriously upped his game.

      john.edwards.733450 - 2012-07-15 22:41

      yip I also rate ebersohn

  • ej.smith.589 - 2012-07-15 12:15

    In honesty, I dont think the conference system is a fair reflection of which of the 3 nations is the strongest. If you look at the stats, NZ is the strongest yet they only have 2 teams in the playoffs. The last couple of weeks between the Highlanders, Crusaders, Hurricanes and Chiefs have pretty much allowed 3 SA sides to stay in the top 6 as those 4 teams have been forced to play each other (twice) at crucial stages of the competition, eliminating the chances of of picking up 4 easy point as it has happened in the Australian conference and to a lesser extent in the SA conference. Stats: NZL vs foreign teams: 26 W 14 L SAF vs foreign teams: 21 W 18 L AUS vs foreign teams: 12 W 27 L Australia dont deserve any team in the top 6 but you cant do anything about now.

      niel.walt - 2012-07-15 12:42

      They must make it a super 12 again with 4 from each nation to increase the debth of teams and the strenght. The nz conference really has no weak teams and sa has 2 and the ozzies have 2, the tahs are a good side they just didn't fire.

  • jakes.stormer - 2012-07-15 12:24

    Stormers will take it

      jaan.vanschaick - 2012-07-15 13:39

      They will win it as long as some other team takeout the Crusaders and the Sharks, otherwise it will remain 50:50 change.

      niel.walt - 2012-07-15 18:07

      Last year everyone knew it would b the reds or the saders, this year I think any of the top 6 teams can win it. I rate the chiefs have the smallest chance because of that final at loftus a few years back, huge mental blow for them, same with the whole stormers vs crusaders thing, however I u can c a change in the stormers, just have a different attitude this year, whereas as the saders have been very up and down. They either destroy or fall apart, where as the stormers have consistently stayed focused. The sharks have the best allround side, but also same story as with crusaders. To beat the stormers you have to force them to go to plan B, wich I don't think they have. And there hasn't really been a team that has done that, except the sharks.

  • jaan.vanschaick - 2012-07-15 12:39


      Mandy Casey - 2012-07-15 17:19

      You must be the defending maths CHAMP

  • jaan.vanschaick - 2012-07-15 12:43

    Just heard that Stormer teams averagesplayer age is higher then the amount of tries they scored in S15

  • Clarence Tapiwa - 2012-07-15 12:44

    Stormers 4 the title

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