S15: Cheetahs likely to stay

2012-05-21 22:31

Cape Town - It looks likely that the Cheetahs will remain as a Super Rugby team next year, with the Lions dropping out at the expense of the Southern Kings.

Volksblad reports that the Cheetahs' favourable log position will in all probability mean the Johannesburg-based Lions would have to make way for the Kings next year.

The South African Rugby Union (SARU) earlier this year promised the Southern Kings a place in Super Rugby in 2013 - hoping to convince SANZAR to expand the tournament to 16 teams to accommodate six South African teams. However, SANZAR has made it clear a change in the structure of the event won't happen until after 2015.

SARU again met with its Super Rugby franchises in Johannesburg on Monday, with CEO Jurie Roux calling it a "very positive meeting". They apparently agreed on "a number of options" to solve the dilemma of having six sides fighting for five places in next year's competition.

A final decision on how South Africa structures its Super Rugby teams from next season will be made by SARU's General Council on 13 July.

However, the Cheetahs' favourable log position looks set to keep them in the competition next season, with SARU apparently looking to possibly stick with its initial decision - where the last placed team will drop out of the competition.

Volksblad further reports that SARU is looking on how to "accommodate" the Lions, with a possible Cats merger (as was the case from 1998 to 2005) out of the question.

The Cheetahs are currently 13 points clear of the bottom-of-the-log Lions, which makes it highly unlikely that they will finish below their rivals from Johannesburg.


  • pjn123 - 2012-05-21 23:26

    And in other news, all the current Lions players sign up with the Southern Kings. Pretty ironic that SARU assured the Kings a place in next year competition because they need more local players. The funny thing is that the best 45*5 players are already contracted by the SA Super team and changing the Lions name to Southern Kings and moving the home ground to the Eastern Cape isn't going to give any new players a chance.

      Jed - 2012-05-22 07:46

      I disagree, the top Lions players will go to the top four unions. The rest will go to the kings. The kings wont see the likes of Elton Jantjies, Taute, Strauss, Doppies. The Kings will be a weaker version of the Lions. They will be beaten by more than 50 points every game. ALL THOSE SUPPORTING THE KINGS , FORGET ABOUT BUYING PLAYERS BECAUSE NO ONE WANTS TO GO TO THE TEAM THAT ENDS BOTTOM.

      pieter.dupreez.71 - 2012-05-22 08:03

      @pin123, have to agree with you. I thought the message that was sent out was to develop rugby in EP & stop it from losing players. Only thing that will happen now is SARU will sponser the Kings to poach players from other unions?

      Papa-storm - 2012-05-22 08:48

      i say let the lions and the bulls join forces the blou lions

      John - 2012-05-22 10:10

      Obviously nobody here lives in the Eastern Cape. It is also obvious that very few have a clue as to what is going on. The Kings have secured huge financial backing. The Lions are broke. The Lions, despite playing in the financial capital of SA, are unable to get backing. Crowd attendance is abysmal and they are bottom feeders in Super Rugby year in and year out. Why should they be given a free passage to the tournament every year? The Kings have negotiated a deal with SARU and that is the bottom line. They will surprise many.

      Nico - 2012-05-22 10:17

      @John, u r right, most of us don't live in the EP as there is nothing there, from me, enjoy u're two years in the super15, all the abuse u gonna get on here when u're team loose by 50+ points every weekend. Just a reminder of your "financial backing", this is the same guma group that tried to help the lions, and then withdrew when things didn't go their way. And even when they were involved, they could not get any top class players to join the Lions. Same is gonna happen to you guys, u're team that can't get to the semis in vodacom cup, they are gonna be destroyed week after week! Enjoy it!! Make the best of it, start now by making an "excuse" list, all the reasons why u loose every weekend :) Gonna be fun!!

  • Phil.Kleynhans - 2012-05-22 04:30

    Let the Southern Kings play it out against the Lions

      Isikhulu - 2012-05-22 07:41

      Phil, they had a friendly on the 14/02/2012 in the Eastern Cape; it was a close game.........88-.0 Lions. Both teams were not at full strength.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-05-22 08:15

      @Isikhulu. LOL!

      Stirrer - 2012-05-22 10:30

      No, merge them, call them the Lion Kings and negotiate a Disney sponsorship.

      Luke - 2012-05-22 11:29

      @ Isikhulu I think that team had no EP Players in which will make up most of the Southern Kings side

      hugo.naude - 2012-05-22 23:45

      Attention ALL Stommes fans : This is something very positive especially for the Stormers and their fans --- with the Kings playing next yr maybe... and this is a BIG maybe - they (the Stommes) will be able to score a four try bonus point twice in a season... Blou bul groete ou grote!

  • mike.morton.65 - 2012-05-22 05:25

    The Kings will be much more of an embarrassment to SA than the lion's B team

      Emile - 2012-05-22 07:35

      Given the results of the Vodacom (2nd division competition), maybe the Pumas and Griquas have a case to also play Super Rugby. Don't they deserve a chance ahead of the Watson brigade?

      Luke - 2012-05-22 11:32

      I hear the EP Kings played their U/23 side in the Vodacom Cup and almost beat WP away, lost in the last minute after leading 10-25 at half time. Lets see how they do in the First Division Currie Cup this year. If they qualify for the main Currie Cup then maybe they deserve a chance?? I am a Sharks supporter and think it will be great to have EP back in big time rugby

  • mike.morton.65 - 2012-05-22 05:27

    The Kings will be an embarrasment to SA rugby, a lot worse that any Lions "B" team

  • - 2012-05-22 05:57

    Lions dropping out at the expense of the Southern Kings??????? Employ a proofreader please?

  • BlouTokolos - 2012-05-22 05:59

    Lions.... Message from Tokolos. I said it before. 1. Accept the relegation like men. 2. Get rid of all the idiots in the hallways of Ellispark. 3. Get Louis Luyt back and let him run rugby as a businessman again like in the 90's. With him and the right coach Kitch (R.I.P.) there you had a huge part in the '95 WC victory and won every single Cup known to SA in those years. He will find and appoint the right coach again. 4. Sell Ellispark to soccer (Nigerians will finance it) and build a new stadium in Midrand where people can watch rugby again and fill your stadium ever match. 5. Get rid of the old wood (i.e. Butch). You can contract 4 enthusiastic youngsters with his paycheck. 6. Build a new team and focus on the Currie Cup and Vodacom Cup for the next four years. Give the Queens 4 years to play S15. They would be too glad to exit the competition by then because there will be nothing left of them and Cheeky. (The sponsors will withdraw after the second season because of no return on investment and I bet several financial scandals would have tarnished them by then). Tokolos just knows that you will bounce back with a huge bang if you follow this advise.

      lynton.lubbe - 2012-05-22 06:09

      Not so easy as you put it. See this is not all unfolded yet, this decision has more to do with being a financial decision - The Lions are broke, too much debt. This seems to be a bail out???

      Emile - 2012-05-22 07:36

      Nothing wrong with the coach. Try the players and management of the union. These is not a single player of current international quality at the Lions.

      Nick - 2012-05-22 09:40

      @ Blou Tokolos - Brilliant mate! :) To every single rugby fan (genuine rugby fan) in SA - I say - I implore you - to 'boycott' any support of the Kings next year. To support every other team (including NZ and Aussie teams) against them. And - if you go to your home stadium - to absolutely BOO them at every opportunity!! We - the rugby people - have a voice - if SARU appease those political pieces of sh#t in Kings rugby - we the people do NOT have to agree. We can show our disgust/rejection of SARU and the Kings - by BOOING the rubbishes at every opportunity!! The Kings can just f##k off!!!!!!

      Nico - 2012-05-22 09:53

      @Blou Tokolos & Nick, only thing I don't agree with is the four years, make it two years and then we will see the end of the EP Queens, from then on more deserved teams like Griquas, Pumas and Boland will get a chance to play for promotion into Super Rugby. I don't want to merge with any other team, Lions will be back where they belong, at the top! Let the political queens get their free ride into super15 for two years, at least they will then break all the Lions records and make it their own :)

      Luke - 2012-05-22 11:34

      Points 1-5 i agree with Point 6, lets wait and see. The EC have top rugby schools and can see them performing way better than we think

  • - 2012-05-22 06:02

    Let's not forget 2 things. 1) This article is from the Volksblad. 2) One of the options available is for 2 teams to merge. IMO this is merely an attempt by the Volksblad to try and highlight certain issues (log positions etc.) in an attempt to put their team in the most favourable light possible.

      Nick - 2012-05-22 09:43

      Well Mr. Bosch - why shouldn't they??? WTF should the Cheetahs even be considered for relegation??? If someone has to go - it's the Lions - obviously!! Log position will obviously always count. Or should they relegate the top team - if log position doesn't count...?? We shouldn't be having this conversation. Until SA has 6 franchises in Super Rugby - there should be NO KINGS!!

      Emile - 2012-05-22 09:56

      @ And your point is????? I think the Cheetahs deserve to play Super Rugby, so what is the issue here?

  • Chriskoi1 - 2012-05-22 06:07

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  • Chriskoi1 - 2012-05-22 06:10

    Ek sê gaan CCMA toe dit sal dalk werk

  • Ulrich - 2012-05-22 06:12

    Two things. No matter how unfair on the Lions, I feel I'd rather see them go than the Cheetahs. It would also be unfair on both teams for a merger. Logistical nightmare, where would they play, who would the coaches bet etc. Secondly, SARU promised the South African government that they'd make space for the Kings if the ANC backed their ambitions to host the RWC in 2011 and then again for the 2015/2019 hosting windows. South Africa did not get the nod, but the ANC now expects SARU to make good on their promise. Nothing is going to change this as it is being driven from the top. Only question is, why did SARU make such a ridiculous deal in any event? Is the government so anti-rugby that they have to be bought over to buy in to hosting the tournament? Unlike the football version which got all the support and more.

  • Dave - 2012-05-22 06:40

    Who cares what team drops out, the end result is always going to be at least two easy beat SA sides.

      arraz911t - 2012-05-22 10:38

      You just proved you don't know anything about SR. The Cheetahs are no easy beat side idiot.

  • Gerhard Freyer - 2012-05-22 07:00

    How did Watson manage to get the 'promise' out of SARU? I smell a rat. Griquas are more deserving.

      Emile - 2012-05-22 09:59

      Watson is a rat, that's why you smell it. Think we will be smelling a lot of things in future coming from this crazy "deal".

      arraz911t - 2012-05-22 10:35

      The Griquas and the Toyota Freestate Cheethas merge during Super Rugby to form the Toyota Cheethas. So hulle speel al klaar ou maat.

      Shaun - 2012-05-22 11:24

      I think his arguement was that the EC is the home of black rugby and the decision was made to accellerate transformation and keep EC talent in the EC. It is a bit crazy to do this at super level cos after the kings lose by 50 points every week they will lose confidence. They should rather spend there money on grass roots development in the rural areas, giving those guys access to good coaches and facilities and then in say 10 years time the Kings can play super rugby

      Luke - 2012-05-22 11:37

      Speaking to friends in the EC, they say Cheeky has done wonders since his arrival 3 years ago. EP rugby were in serious trouble when he arrived and they seem to be competing for the first time in years. SARU promised Super Rugby to the EC years before he arrived on the scene so I am not sure why everyone thinks this is all about him.

  • Michael - 2012-05-22 07:29

    The Kings certainly can't do worse than the Lions. Certainly not at taking the last place on the log, which the Lions have made their own in the last decade. You cant come worse than last. Nor can the Kings do any worse than the Lions at encouraging development, creating springboks or avoiding national incidents. Let's give the Spears a chance. And maybe it gives the Lions a chance to get their house in order.

      Isikhulu - 2012-05-22 07:54

      MIchael, as I have pointed out before the Lions HUMILIATED the Kings 88-0 on the 14/2/2012 in the Eastern Cape. Use the head on your shoulders and not your heart. If the Lions beat the SKings so convincingly and EP does not perform in the Vodacom cup nor the Currie Cup Premier league; you are sending men to be slaughtered. Lions won the Currie Cup in 2011 against a full strenghth WP and Natal teams. Who is going to coach your team; a good team needs structure and this takes at least 2 years to develop; EP kings don't even have 8 months......where is your planning, vision ot foresight?

      Luke - 2012-05-22 11:41

      @ Isikhulu - why do you keep saying the Southern Kings lost 88-0 to the Lions? Do you anything know anything about who actually played in the game. The Southern Kings team was made up of reserves from SWD and Border. A few days before the main SWD/Border side almost beat the Cheetahs and the EP Kings were playing friendlies against the Sharks ans Stormers so none of them played... please check your facts before making comments on here

      Isikhulu - 2012-05-22 12:07

      @ Luke, the media and SARU called it the Southern Kings vs Lions not me; I am just telling you what it is. It was not called the Barbarians, the Reserves or any other name. By the way, who do you think is going to amalgamate to form the SK's. It was not a full strength Lions side anyway. Almost winning and winning is not the same, check your facts. Did the SKings play the Lions on the 14/02/2012, yes; was the score 88 - 0 yes. Luke, don't get personal, read the article and the comments that I am responding too.

      Luke - 2012-05-22 12:49

      @ Isikhulu - so you only read the headlines and not the whole story. The facts are usually below the headlines. I am not getting personal. I just think people should get all the facts before making comments. I am a Sharks supporter who reads all articles on here and only comment when I can back up my statements..Unlike others on here..Where you from anyway? with a name like that I thought u may have roots in the EC?

  • my10cent - 2012-05-22 07:35

    This is the result of black investment in a rugby team - SARU will bend over backwards to get the Kings to play rugby. I am pretty sure that the Lions WILL beat them in a match. Politics and rugby will NEVER mix - the rest of the world is once again laughing at SA. MONEY IS THE WINNER HERE!!!

      Luke - 2012-05-22 12:52

      Money is the winner?? explain please SARU deal with the government pretty often these days it seems, to get backing for certain things. Maybe SARU should start delivering what they promise

  • Dawie - 2012-05-22 07:47

    Let the Kings and Lions play 3 promotion/relegation matches to make it fair. If the Lions win them 3 out of 3 then the Kings and Lions deserve where they are. If the Kings win at least 2 out of 3 - then they deserve to move up. If not, please spare them and the Rugby public in general the HUMILIATION!

      Johan - 2012-05-22 08:08

      @Dawie, the Southern Kings can't do worse than the Lions and remember the EP Kings and Southern Kings are two different teams. If you don't know the changes and latest contracted players, I don't think its fair to say that it will be humiliation to the public. Let's talk next season again.

      Luke - 2012-05-22 11:42

      When should these games be played?

  • JoCL89 - 2012-05-22 08:05

    Can't really expect from SANZAR to make place for all our BEE teams

      Johan - 2012-05-22 08:13

      It will not be a BEE team, and start being positive, its supporters like you that RSA don't need. Always refer to black and white.

      Luke - 2012-05-22 11:43

      Agreed Johan, to many racists in SA, both black and white

  • Andre - 2012-05-22 08:11

    Johannesburg and Pretoria is a stonethrow away from each other and before 1938 the 2 teams were one,so why can they not do that again.The main problem was created by some fool that made promises without thinking-the promise should have been made on the condition that SANZAR would allow a 16th team-the fool did not think(as is usually the case).

      Johan - 2012-05-22 08:31

      Andre pretoria and jhb together have more people together than most provinces. How the hell do you funnel all that potential into just one team? Just remember tht even thought the Lions arent playing well now, they still form part of a platform for players from the region, like Jaque Fourie, Bryan Habana and Willem Alberts, to name a few. They are also the only union the can boast that they had two world cup winning coach that went through their ranks.

  • Andre - 2012-05-22 08:29

    Ou Cheeky wil seker sy seun die kaptein maak???????? Ek voorspel die volgende uitslae(Southern Kings score 2de) Blou Bulle 300-0(Halftyd score),Sharks 300-0(Halftyd score),Stormers 300-0(halftyd score),Chiefs 300-0(Halftyd score).Crusaders 300-0(halftyd score),jy kry die idee,ne!-LOL,LOL,LOL.

      Luke - 2012-05-22 11:44

      The EP Kings lost to the Sharks and Stormers Super Rugby sides by the same margins in Feb - 38-13, so please explain the scores above??

  • Pieter - 2012-05-22 09:09

    F@k die Kings!!!

      Luke - 2012-05-22 11:57

      F@k SARU and their promises, this should of been sorted years ago

  • waldo.brand.7 - 2012-05-22 09:21

    The Lions have been rubbish in Super rugby for years. There has to be a consequence for consistently coming last. As for the Southern Kings not having the players to compete in the Super 15….does anyone honestly think the Lions would be able to put together a decent team without the money they receive from SARU for the super 15 every single year? I say lets give that money to the Kings and see what they can do with it……Just a thought…what would keeping the Lions in Super rugby actually accomplish? Will they do better next season (based on history …no)?. Will their administrators clean up their act (again based on history…no)? Will having the Lions in super rugby aid in the development of new players? Will keeping the Lions in Super rugby next season suddenly motivate fans to fill Ellis Park again?

      Isikhulu - 2012-05-22 09:40

      Hi Waldo, EP had the money, the support & the sponsors. In the late 1970's, 1980's to early 1990's Eastern Province played in the Currie Cup premier division and had a lot of incumbent Springboks. The Union then failed itself, it's players and supporters and self imploded. Now you are suggesting another bite at the cherry? for what? with what? and theexpense of whom? Where is the proposed workable / profitable bussiness plan? To be honest, you have to be honest to yourself first; what is going to be different this time around? as it stands @ 09h45, 22/05/2012 would YOU invest time, knowledge capital or money in the Southern Kings?

      waldo.brand.7 - 2012-05-22 10:04

      Isikhulu, first things first...I am not a Cheeky Watson or EP fan, so my comments are based what I personally believe to be fair. The game only went professional in the mid 1990's, so referring to what happened during what was basically an amateur era (all the players had day jobs in the 70's and 80's dude) is pointless and unfair. The Lions have been rubbish on and off the field for at least the last 5 years. We are talking about MILLIONS being wasted...the fact that they are now bankrupt proves that it has been wasted. EP actually attracted more spectators to their stadium during the Vodacom cup than the lions get at Ellis Park last season....that's a fact. As for the workable/profitable plan.....I can ask the same of the Lions? . And would YOU invest time, capital etc in a product that has consistently failed like the Lions have?

      Johan - 2012-05-22 10:35

      So winning the currie cup is suddenly failing?

      waldo.brand.7 - 2012-05-22 11:41

      A union that is riddled with financial mismanagement and for all intensive purposes bankrupt....a team that won the Currie Cup BUT once again can't raise a so called winning team from the bottom of the Super rugby table.....a team that struggles to sell tickets to the games (just look at how empty Ellis Park is year after year after year).....yes, I call that failing.

      Johan - 2012-05-22 12:25

      Waldo compare that to a team that has not won anything ever and has been around for much longer and has no evidence of improving even though they have more capital behind them then most other SA teams. I call that failing...

  • Rhyno - 2012-05-22 09:27

    I say, their not gonna rest until the kings get a chance. So give them one season of super rugby, but if they end up at the bottom (of which I'm sure) they have to relegated again. It's been a while since we saw some really big scores in the comp and I hope they play their first six games against top sides like the Crusaders, Bulls etc so they can see exactly how far they should be from Super Rugby

  • Se-a Spencer Ikeremm - 2012-05-22 09:30

    Well, i just normally watch one Súper game a year- the final, and only if it involves The Sharks. From my little knowledge of this league and rugby in general, I don't understand why people are so against this new team. I read something about BEE, does it have "too many" black players for a Rugby team or what? It's amazing the unique problems we have in SA, I doubt this is an issue anywhere else. But anyways, from what I normally see, the Lions and the Cheetahs are usually battling for the crown of SA's worst, clearly Lions have been winning that duel of late. If the Lions are so poor, I think it only makes sense to give other teams a shot. You can't be in Super rugby just because of your rich history. That'll be like Liverpool being allowed in Champs League just because they have a rich history no matter how k*k they are now sadly. Whether the Kings deserve this chance is another matter. I think they should format this like the CL, the top 5 teams at the end of the Currie Cup season must be eligible for Super Rugby. If the Bulls end up 6th, well, y'all see where I be going with this. That should even make the Currie Cup more competitive if a team like Griquas even have a shot at SR. If this is the format already followed, then just disregard what I just said.

      Dustin - 2012-05-22 10:19

      Its not the Format, but I agree! IT should be it gives everyone a fair chance at the money! you deserve the chance to play in top competitions, they shouldn't just be handed out... like Limpopo tenders.

  • steven.chiaberta - 2012-05-22 11:12

    Come onnnnnnnnnnnnnn Lions!!

      Luke - 2012-05-22 11:48

      More like pussycats

  • Luke - 2012-05-22 11:47

    I say give the Kings a chance, cant be worse than the toothless bankrupt Lions

      Sean - 2012-05-22 12:49

      @Luke There are two options available to the Kings. 1. Develop rugby in the EC, and get thumped every weekend. 2. Stuff the players in the EC, import as many ex Lions and overseas players as possible and hopefully compete. Which version do you think they'll go with? Option 2 is the most likely, not so. The bad news is that this is Super rugby, not Heineken Cup. The overseas guys will struggle to catch up with the intensity. And the ex-Lions players, well the better ones will be sick of ending last - they'll mostly sign up for the Bulls and the Sharks like Habana and Alberts did. At the end of the day this move by SARU won't benefit rugby in SA, nor the Eastern Cape. From experience we know that when the chips are down Mr Gumede and his money will head for the hills with pace, and that would leave EC Rugby in a similar financial predicament to where the Lions are now. This is a political, money making racket that will benefit a few greedy people. Unfortunately the Kings will bear the costs, which are more than financial. Rugby fans throughout the country hate the manner in which this is being handled. Most will be thrilled when the Kings fail, and they will fail. There is a silver lining though: when you give the local sides their 10 points for the log, you'll have friends aplenty!

      Luke - 2012-05-22 12:56

      I didnt realise that the Lions playing in Super Rugby benefitted SA Rugby If the Southern Kings decided to only buy players born and bred in the EC they would end up whipping both the Lions and the Cheetahs. Look at the current SA Super 15 squads and you will see there at least 5 EC players in each of the squads. How many Lions players in the last 5 years have represented SA?

      Sean - 2012-05-22 13:26

      I think Butch did? CJ Van der Linde? Don't they both have a WC medal? Going forward I would expect to see Taute there. With the injury crisis at present Josh Strauss may even be named to play England! Every province in the country has players "poached" by other Super Rugby sides, it's the nature of the beast (no pun intended). Bear in mind Habana is a KES boy; Willem Alberts began his career with the Lions; Jano Vermaak went to highschool in Vereeniging and represented the Lions before moving to the Bulls; etc; etc. Even if the Kings are playing Super Rugby their players will be poached by better teams, you won't be able to "Buy" all the players born in the EC. If this happened your Sharks side would be missing most of their front row! As for whipping the Lions and the Cheetahs, well we won't see the Lions game. There could be two options to watch the Kings against the Cheetahs. Let's see how much of a whipping the Cheetahs get there.

      Luke - 2012-05-22 14:25

      Butch started playing for the Lions in 2011..was the WC we won not in 2007? CJ van dr Linde was playing for the Cheetahs in 2007 to, he joined the Lions in 2011... So Josh is the 5th best no7 in the country? Front row...dont you mean back row?? Why not give the Kings a chance, we are in the proffessional era and with the money you get by playing in the Super 15 they should be able to compete. If they get smashed in every game for the next 3 years then I will be the first to say this was a major mistake. If they can compete and produce a few Boks in the next few years then SA rugby has won

      Sean - 2012-05-22 14:56

      I was taking about the Sharks front row. If the guys played for the province where they were born and schooled the Du Plessis lads would be playing out of Bloemfontein. ;D The manner in which this is being handled is wrong. And it seems the Kings won't get 3 years! Roux is talking about promotion-relegation games at the end of 2013 season. The Lions need their players to be with franchises during that year, then come together and maybe beat the Kings next October. We end up back... here. As for Josh, I'm obviously biased but I'd prefer him as SA Captain ahead of both Spies and De Villiers. Either of these would take us back to the arguments of the WC as neither deserve their place in the squad 100%. However if Daniels was sure of his place he'd be my #1 choice for captain.

      Luke - 2012-05-22 16:52

      Josh is a great player at Currie Cup level, I would like to see how he plays in a winning team at Super 15 level he def gives his all but not sure if he will make it against the best in the business. I guess the only way he will show us if he gets chosen, wonder if he would shave off his beard?

  • Geoff - 2012-05-22 16:18

    What happened to the much publicised promise that all five S15 teams will boycott the S15 in 2013 if any of the five are dropped???

  • hugo.naude - 2012-05-22 20:51

    This is something very positive especially for the Stormers and fans --- with the Kings playing next yr maybe (I know I am reaching here) they (the Stommes) will be able to score a four try bonus point twice in a season ... Blou bul groete ou grote!!

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