Kings out of 2013 S15 - report

2012-07-15 12:19

Cape Town - The Southern Kings have accepted a multi-million rand offer from the South African Rugby Union (SARU) to postpone their inclusion in the Super Rugby competition.

The Weekend Argus reports that the Kings agreed to delay their Super Rugby entry until 2016 in exchange for R40m and Currie Cup Premier Division status from next year.

This comes after SARU earlier this year announced that the Kings would play Super Rugby in 2013. SARU was hoping to convince SANZAR to extend the competition to 16 teams in the hope of having six South African teams, but SANZAR made it clear the competition will remain with 15 teams for at least the next few years.

SARU is now hoping that by 2016 a negotiation could be reached to expand the competition to 16 teams.

The Kings apparently accepted the multi-million rand deal because they weren't successful in luring enough top-flight players to the franchise for next year.

This news will be welcomed by rugby fans in Johannesburg as the Lions - the last-placed SA team in Super Rugby this year - were likely to be relegated at the expense of the Eastern Cape franchise.


  • jaan.vanschaick - 2012-07-15 12:27

    SUPERKINGS HAS NOU PRIZE!! Mr Watson said few weeks ago - accept if it is R40 larger then life one's. Still best decision for SA rugby.

      lardus.duplessis - 2012-07-15 12:45 Way to backtrack Mr Watson!

      henrymatthews4 - 2012-07-15 12:58

      No surprise Cheeky(anc),its always about selfenrichment

      jason.children - 2012-07-15 13:01

      Unbelievable 40 mil and automatic inclusion into Currie Cup, who the hell do these guys think they are

      selma.botha.9 - 2012-07-15 13:27

      When the Natal team (under the captaincy of Wynand Claasen) in 1982 were relegated to the Currie Cup B section and as they battled against teams such as the Purple People Eaters (Northern Freestate), Doc Craven, in a bold move, primarily to save Natal Rugby, (we were about 500 spectators at Kings Park in those dark days) amended the Currie Cup A section to include 8 teams. A move which eventually lead the Natal team to win the Currie Cup in the year of their centenary celebrations with a win over Naas Botha's Blue Bulls at Loftus in 1990. I am not saying that SARU's or the Watson's intensions are honourable and in the best interest of rugby but I do recall with very fond memories the wonderful rugby the Eastern Province Union and the club Dispatch used to dish up at Currie Cup level and the Toyota Easter Club Rugby weekend. I should be delighted to see them contest in the Currie Cup again and work their way into the Super 16 (too much rugby). Maybe they can be the fairytale that the Natal side was. R40 000 000 does not sound like much to me. I predict that this was merely the first tranche SARU will hand out. The Lions and Freestate will have to dig deep to rebuild their unions.

      clive.kihn - 2012-07-15 14:04

      You presumably mean no PRICE, Jaan. they certainly have a prize of sorts - entry into the Currie Cup.

      charlesdumbwin.dumbwin - 2012-07-15 14:27

      So 40 mill is the pricetag for the Kings' soul. Nice...

      jack.bleck - 2012-07-15 15:52

      can't believe they haven't pulled this story yet...

  • japjapjap.wat - 2012-07-15 12:28

    saru = anc?? di regering en saru jaag twak aan, uit hulle pateties onvermoeens, ongeletterdheid, onkunde en kriminele agtergrond en di arme dom belasting betaler of rugby liefhebber moet daarvoor opdok??

      tc.convulvulous - 2012-07-15 12:48

      Watsons sold out! Wonder if there is personal gain for them? Huh?

      staal.burgher - 2012-07-15 13:07

      Mr Watson's transformation to the dark side is now complete *insert maniacal chuckle*

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-15 22:24


      Dakey - 2012-07-16 23:16

      @tc. Not a fan of the Watson's either, but let's get our facts straight. Watson's did NOT sell out. This article is a fabrication. I'd recommend an apology, false accusations deserve such.

  • TheVern69 - 2012-07-15 12:40

    Didn't think Cheeky would say no to R40mil...he is an ANC cadre anyway!

      joubert.joep - 2012-07-16 03:19

      To Cheeky and Puke - wish they paid that money to good players!

  • andrew.cooks.5 - 2012-07-15 12:43

    Now Cheeky can give something to his brothers in the ANC to buy new BMW's and KFC. Pitty you can't by a S15 trophy yet.

  • bradley.m.zass - 2012-07-15 12:44

    You Got to be kidding me!! Selling your soul like that! I would've played with the team i had. They have no trust in the players they have

      luke.sportify - 2012-07-15 14:01

      @ Graeme, The EP Kings won the second division in 2010, lost in the playoffs There was no playoffs last season...they will gain promotion later this year then all of you can eat your words

      joubert.joep - 2012-07-16 03:23

      Hope you get some of the money too Puke... Just do not return to the Bok camp please!

      Marcel - 2012-07-16 12:59

      @ luke obviously they will gain promotion didnt you read the article.... 2ndly there was a final and boland took it.

  • lardus.duplessis - 2012-07-15 12:45

    Look, it is the better decision to have them first play some Currie Cup Rugby in order to get used to a higher level of competition. This will also allow them to get more high profile players and actually be prepared to compete at the levels demanded of S15 teams. I just hope this money goes to the RIGHT places and not into the pockets of the administrators.

      avansaldanha - 2012-07-15 12:51

      En nou moet die arme Griekwas seker weer afskuif! Wonder wat gaan hulle maak as Griekwas weer die Kings se tjank aftrap in die Vodacom.

  • bradley.m.zass - 2012-07-15 12:51

    Well tis R40m can be utilised for the upskilling of the EP Kings!! The Lions does not deserve to be in the S15. Give other teams a chance.

      staal.burgher - 2012-07-15 13:06

      Whenever I see the phrase "give another team/player/group a chance" I want to choke...

      japjapjap.wat - 2012-07-15 14:17

      komaan, gee my ook asb 'n kans??ek is ongelukkig klaar +-40 maar vir nog 40mil sal ek def 1 van di beste XXX rugby spelers word in wereld rugby en moenie stry ni- hoe sal jy weet?? daarom, gee my ook my AA kans EN 40mil....

      mark.barker.370 - 2012-07-16 08:18

      @Staal - why ahole do you really think that the Lions belong in super rugby?

      Marcel - 2012-07-16 13:01

      yes they do, cause if you take the top 5 teams in sa then the lions are 1 of them

      Marcel - 2012-07-16 13:01

      kings are even in the top 8

  • bradley.m.zass - 2012-07-15 12:52

    Well tis R40m can be utilised for the upskilling of the EP Kings!! The Lions does not deserve to be in the S15. Give other teams a chance.

      Wesley - 2012-07-15 12:56

      You think the Kings will see that money, think again

      niel.walt - 2012-07-15 21:43

      I'm sure the lions beat the ep kings 88 - 0 in their pre s15 warm up?

  • Wesley - 2012-07-15 12:55

    What money can do, Chicky will get a fat bonus

  • Thato Okonkwo Fakudze - 2012-07-15 12:58

    The LIONS aren't going anywhere!

  • paul.botha.967 - 2012-07-15 12:58

    Cheeky and Puke two biggest morons in Sa rugby!

  • RemoteMedic - 2012-07-15 12:59

    All about the money hey. Watson you biscuit!

  • glen.e.huysamer - 2012-07-15 13:00

    Hope the money is used to promote rugby in the rural Eastern Cape (where I have no doubt South Africa can discover massive amount of talent), instead of spending it on increased salaries and attracting outside players to the Kings. Cheeky has always claimed he has development at heart now he must prove it.

      henrymatthews4 - 2012-07-15 13:11

      Yes glen,agree with your comment,one thing cheeky anc must always remember,you cant FORCE,BUY OR POLITICALLY get respect and acceptability...............YOU HAVE TO EARN IT!!!!!!!!!!!

  • ljmostert - 2012-07-15 13:00

    I stay in PE - where must I go to see a Super Rugby match?! This is pathetic. AGAIN the rugvy bosses's pockets are lined and we must sit 'dro?bek'.

      Thato Okonkwo Fakudze - 2012-07-15 13:17

      You can always move to a real province

      steven.loots.33 - 2012-07-15 13:28

      Do not support Kings promotion to S15 but do feel for rugby supporters

      goyougoodthing - 2012-07-15 17:18

      Tough luck. People also stay in Maritzburg, Newcastle, The Northern Cape. Should we give Kimberly a team too?

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-15 22:26

      Not on lion king joke yet, surprising

  • bradley.m.zass - 2012-07-15 13:06

    This story has not been confirmed yet by the EP Kings os SARU. So for now this is not true yet.

  • Hannes Truter - 2012-07-15 13:07

    Beware of the entitlement crowd....SA's road to self-destruction!!

  • dave.inglis1 - 2012-07-15 13:21

    Looks like we are getting back to the old days where we slay the Giants. Go EP Kings !!!!!

  • grant.butler.104 - 2012-07-15 13:25

    This has huge ramifications...what about those players that did commit? Lions already lost a few players as a result of the ' confusion'....poorly managed by SARU....

  • richard.lemmer1 - 2012-07-15 13:28

    So all they always want is money ! Watson is a disgrace to all of South AFrica ! Maybe we hould pay some money to getsome real Soccer players - maybe some white ones.

      luke.sportify - 2012-07-15 13:59

      what are you going on about Richard? Watson has done more good in one day for the EC than you will do in your lifetime

      shooshyu.tu - 2012-07-15 15:03

      @Puke That's the spirit Luke stick up for your old-man?

  • angela.w.henderson.9 - 2012-07-15 13:28

    No deal should have been made in the beginning, and no money should have changed hands. The Southern Kings are an unknown team. Like everyone else they should earn their place in the Currie cup and the Super 15. I am appalled that SA rugby would have ever entertained this joke.

      raymond.abrahamse - 2012-07-15 16:46

      Absolutely,you are quite right.I cannot understand this whole issue.SK are not even Currie Cup quality but want to play in the S15 ???

  • smallies - 2012-07-15 13:36

    ten koste van wie gaan hulle nou weer in die cc in geforce word griekwas wat hulle self elke jaar bewys,of kry hulle maar net n plek al la natal

      andre.wilson.963871 - 2012-07-15 14:39

      Ten minste kom Natal erens! Hulle wen hulle wedstryde, speel in uitspele en finales. Die Kings is useless en sal so bly vir solank as Cheeky Watson hulle uitlewer aan sy liefde vir geld en fame! 2 weke terug toe se hy die Kings kan nie gekoop word nie. Wat nou? Hulle wasgoed rekening vir al die Watsons se gekots het hulle seker gedwing om te verkoop! Sharks verdien waar hulle is, ek hoop egter soos jy dat n span soos Griekwas nie hoef te boet vir die Kings nie. Hulle bewys hulself werklik elke jaar, maar dalk net is die aanbod vir hulle ook n koel R40 miljoen!

  • gabriel.melim - 2012-07-15 13:47

    ..... and cheeky said that money will not buy the Kings!!!!! Hahaha......

  • - 2012-07-15 13:58

    Saw a tweet by the EP Kings stating that the story is false. They will play Superugby in 2013. I wish this whole matter could be sorted out once and for all now. It isn't good that the Lions and the Kings are caught up in all this unceratinty. IMHO, the Kings should first get into the Curry Cup on their own merrit. I'm scared they become the laughing stock of Superugby should they play next year.

  • Given Von Baloyi - 2012-07-15 14:00

    Who said money can not corrupt noble white people and their sport, Lions are the happier lot

  • clive.kihn - 2012-07-15 14:02

    Common sense prevails. But if the Kings don't cut it in the Currie Cup, what then?

  • Litha Thando Yono Ka-Zola - 2012-07-15 14:04

    If this is true, it is a shame. I was looking forward to the s15 rugby in my backyard. Once again,EP will stand by while the player exodus to the West and North continues..

  • camiel.phillips - 2012-07-15 14:17

    Add The Kings to Curry Cup im 2013 and if they upstage the \Big Guns\ than they should be considered by Zanzar when they can.

      luke.sportify - 2012-07-16 11:51

      Zanzar? since when did Zimbabwe join up?

  • matthys.debeer.5 - 2012-07-15 14:25

    Will it be cheeky of me to wonder where that money will end up? If this is all true of course. Ek 'puke' sommer!

  • frikdt - 2012-07-15 14:37

    Welcome news. However, it shows what a hypocrite you are, Cheeky "money can't buy kings" Watson!

  • robi.thenga - 2012-07-15 14:37

    Dreams up for sale in SA rugby...if the EP Kings could dream some more in 3 years' time they could pocket nothing less than R60m...keep your promise SARU or pay the price; I just hope the money will be used for a good course...

  • Jacques - 2012-07-15 14:38

    Sanity prevails! I'm actually happy for them playing Curry Cup. Everybody wins: they get their (still undeserved) promotion, we get to play CC games in the PE stadium, which will give the rugby starved people of PE some good games in that brand new stadium, our SuperRugby reputation won't be trashed... For once, I don't mind the careless expenditure of 40Mil.

  • Frank - 2012-07-15 14:52

    I think this is a very good deal. The lions stay in S15 where I think they can grow and the Kings get into CC to prove themselves first. The Kings also get a cash injection to get some talented players. The deal should also include some good results in CC before they get included in S15. This is the best way of trying to keep some of our talent from going overseas. To you guys that only see as far as the Watsons, take time to think this thru and come to the realisation that this was a very sharp move by the Kings management and will benefit South African rugby in the medium term.

      marius.olivier.7 - 2012-07-16 08:50

      @Frank " The lions stay in S15 where I think they can grow". Stop living in denial. If the Lions haven't grown out of the last spot after 16 years in Super Rugby ans all the money that came with it, I don't think there is a snowball's chance in hell that they ever will.

  • shooshyu.tu - 2012-07-15 15:01

    Typical lying ANC Cheeky Watsinit4me denial, this thread earlier to-day Kings deny R40m SARU offer 2012-07-15 14:29 6 comments The Southern Kings have denied a report that they accepted a R40m offer to postpone their inclusion in Super Rugby to 2016.

  • raymond.kok3 - 2012-07-15 15:06

    nobody will play for you while Cheeky and son is around we will see next year how they fare in the curry cup utterly useless bunch down there

  • andries.greeff.1 - 2012-07-15 16:31

    Poor journalism. Would have been great had it been true though!

  • Berto En Petra Mostert - 2012-07-15 17:46

    Does the geographical factor make a difference? We want to grow rugby in SA in ALL parts of the country - otherwise it will always be seen as a racist sport by many people.

  • jimmy.hood.50 - 2012-07-15 18:43

    Hi What about the boxes that were sold with the super Rugby attraction are the poor people going to reimbursed for this. EP should first win or at least a force to content in the Currie cup before been incluced in The Super Rugby, although i was looking forward to the games in PE next year.

  • boltonbarry - 2012-07-15 19:34

    I hope this guys lying manipulating face starts itching and his fingers turns in to fishing hooks

  • Ran - 2012-07-15 20:44

    Hi Selma , its seems we need to accommodate like u in our rugby structures. (Clear thinkers - not emotional ....... what ever u want to call. The game belongs to all its fans.

  • Ran - 2012-07-15 20:59

    Geld wat stom is , maak reg wat KROM is.

      joubert.joep - 2012-07-16 03:31

      I want to puke - 40M a load of money! For doing what? Making his son a Bok although he was shorter than the scrumhalf! and getting the EC on the map of fraud... No man - there's too much politics behind this. Earn what you want do not buy it!

  • aubrey.gloster - 2012-07-16 08:09

    SQUEEKY DATSUN and the PEE PEE KINGS never wanted entrance to the Super but merely negotiated a nice deal for themselves to be squandered in the next few years. It is the Eastern Cape isn't it?

  • koos.lourens.5 - 2012-07-16 08:18

    Hoekom word die kings belowe van n plek in die CC lat hulle die 2de divisie wen dan uit speel om te kwalifiseer darvor kyk eers of hulle dit reg kry highly unlikely dat dit sal gebeur dan dalk n semi final haal teen die groot manne voor hulle aandring op super rugby die 40 miljoen kan julle net goed !!

  • steveroodt - 2012-07-16 08:56

    Spit spit spit all this dribble from the Watsons cake hole's. give the 40 million to the flood victims of PE. would be a better cause. Let us see your worth in the Currie cup then you can talk.

  • Francois - 2012-07-16 10:10


  • gerry.pelser - 2012-07-16 10:20

    Shoo, I wish someone paid me a few million NOT to play rugby. Well done Cheeky, you got what you wanted, a good couple of mil in the back pocket, and no chance of being humiliated, well done.

  • corrie.bresler - 2012-07-16 10:46

    @selma.botha. As far as I can recall Natal played in the 'B' section of the Currie Cup for a number of years, but they had to win promotion to the 'A' section of the CC; it was not granted to them by Danie Craven as you state.

  • hennie.gerber.3 - 2012-07-16 11:00

    Does that mean the Lions are still in There.?

      luke.sportify - 2012-07-16 11:47

      Lions will become an endangered specie

  • neville.watson.94 - 2012-07-16 11:28

    Very very Cheeky

  • luke.sportify - 2012-07-16 11:46

    Good to see the EP Kings going the talking on the field Will they make promotion on merit?

  • byron.wright.102 - 2012-07-16 11:56

    I think this is a good solution. This way the cash is there to develop EC rugby and the lions dont just get blindsided