Pienaar against S15 expansion

2014-03-05 14:32

Cape Town - Former Springbok captain Francois Pienaar is not in favour of an expanded Super Rugby competition.

SANZAR CEO Greg Peters recently all-but confirmed that the 15-team competition will be expanded to include six teams from South Africa and a new team from Argentina.

"Today's meeting was another important step in deciding the future of Super Rugby. Encouraging progress was made and we now have a preferred model that involves six teams from South Africa and a new team from Argentina.

"The model will now be taken to the national unions for approval before SANZAR presents its final position to broadcasters and fans in due course," Peters was quoted as saying.

This will happen from the 2016 season when a new broadcast deal kicks into effect.

It will see the Kings return to the competition with all South African franchises assured of a spot year in, year out.

In an interview with the Business Day website, Pienaar said he would like to see less Super Rugby, not more.

He said the Varsity Cup, South Africa's popular university rugby competition, provided an illustration of the principle of less is more.

"If I can use Varsity Cup as an example, it is so short and compact - therein lies the success. If you make it longer it will fizzle," said Pienaar.

The Varsity Cup features eight teams in a single round-robin format.

"It (Super Rugby) is just too much. The guys are playing too much rugby; there is too much rugby to watch."

Pienaar, 47, was the Springbok captain when they won the 1995 Rugby World Cup, beating New Zealand 15-12 in the final at Ellis Park.


  • Mark Wilkinson - 2014-03-05 14:40


      marko.ras - 2014-03-05 16:26

      Wow Sum Ching Wom. Nogsteeds suur na soveel jare. Bou n brug. Kom oor dit.

      JamesBlacksmith - 2014-03-05 18:22

      I agree Francois. But let's then allocate that 5th SA franchise to the EP Kings (as it was meant to be in 2006) instead of to your Lions franchise that averaged 2 wins their last three seasons. They can join the Cheetah's and play as the Cats again.

      Adrian Bruwer - 2014-03-05 19:59

      Expansion is cool if you change the structure of it. Let each country start of with their equivalent of the Currie Cup and let the teams that reach the semis go through to a "super 12". Expanding to 18 teams and everyone play the other is insanely boring and killing the players.

      Michael Morris - 2014-03-05 20:45

      @Adrian Bruwer.... The Ozzies don't have a proper national competition, that is why you have franchises.

      fransvisserdsb - 2014-03-06 09:19

      Adrian - I agree. The season is structured all wrong. There should be a build-up, with say 2 months of club rugby only (varsity cup etc.) then the Curry cup, with the top 4 going through to a super 12. then the tri-nations. the Super 15 have not even started and I am already bored to see the replays of last year...

      LouisBensch - 2014-03-06 10:52

      James, or let the queens join the Stormers, bet they cannot be worse off.

  • Kevin Robarts - 2014-03-05 14:40

    Super 14 where you played every other side once in the regular season was the perfect length

      Michael Verreynne - 2014-03-05 14:48

      The Super 12 was even better. It's shorter and allows for more weeks to be vacant in the year.

  • Nick Mullett - 2014-03-05 14:41

    Just replace the Stormers (Disgrace to world rugby) with the Kings.

      Avon Asac - 2014-03-05 15:00

      Bulls should of been replaced after 2 seasons at the bottom of the Logs. Useless bunch of Inbreds those Bulls are. The Stench of Loser will always be with them.

      Michael Verreynne - 2014-03-05 15:05

      The Bulls are SA's flagship team. They won 3 Super Rugby titles. The ONLY SA side ever to win it.

      Michael Verreynne - 2014-03-05 15:09

      Ok. Gauteng is the only "side" to win it.

      Avon Asac - 2014-03-05 15:13

      No matter Verreynne the Stormers still have a winning percentage over the Camo Cows , so how can they be the Flagship team?

      Michael Verreynne - 2014-03-05 15:18

      A Flagship team is one that has won the trophy. Have the Stompies or Guppies won it yet? Just the answer please.

      Avon Asac - 2014-03-05 15:23

      Nope the Flagship team is the one that consistently performs. No flagship team ever finished last.

      Bull Dozer - 2014-03-05 15:27

      Tyrone just keeps on failing. Go back to sleep.

      Michael Verreynne - 2014-03-05 15:35

      Avon, let me take you back to the 1996 Super 12. Guess who finished last there. The Crusaders! Now look at them. 7 Super Rugby Cups! So please get your facts right before you preach to me.

      Albertus Lombaard - 2014-03-05 15:39

      Avon still busy trying to stay afloat by his winning % crap, signs of a typical loser, foeitog oubaas se honne

  • Avon Asac - 2014-03-05 14:45

    Agreed Pienaar. Keep politics out of rugby.... F**k the Kings.

  • Ruben du Plooy - 2014-03-05 14:51

    I think the Super 12 is a better idea. The rugby season is getting too long. With more player fatigue and injuries. Less is more sometimes..

  • Francois Marx - 2014-03-05 14:52

    ........maar niemand luister nie....

  • Kenneth-Paul Barrow - 2014-03-05 14:57

    No such thing as too much rugby the more rugby the better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      DonGio007 - 2014-03-05 16:35

      Easy for a spectator to say, but not so easy for a player to endure. Even tough guys need a break.

  • Willem Rademeyer - 2014-03-05 15:00

    Dankie vir die waarheid Francois. Daar IS te veel rugby. Geen mens kan alles kyk nie.

  • Bettie Swart - 2014-03-05 15:06

    Now who gives a fart what Pienaar thinks? The more rugby the better. SARU must sign the players and not the Franchise. The 22 players should be increased to 25.

      Avon Asac - 2014-03-05 15:15

      No Bettie maybe for you the better , but strength vs strength is better for Southern Hemisphere rugby. A franchise that wins 3 out of there 15 games does not deserve to be there.

      Bull Dozer - 2014-03-05 15:23

      Bettie, waar kry jy die tyd om so baie rugby te kyk? Ek neem aan die kombuis is skoon voor jy gaan sit.

      Obakeng Khazamula - 2014-03-05 15:41

      Who will give a fart what you think?

  • Jonathan Walker-Randall - 2014-03-05 15:08

    I would keep it at 15 but have one log and have the bottom 3 teams play qualifying matches against teams that want to get into the comp. If SANZAR go ahead, all they doing is shortening the career of these players.

  • Rob Heath - 2014-03-05 15:35

    Yep agreed Franscois it will never work !

  • Richard Fahrenfort - 2014-03-05 15:38

    Agreed. A super 17 season will be far too long. Super 15 is already a touch too long AND then it also interferes with the mid year internationals. I think Super 12 was the right sweet spot. SANZAR are just getting greedy for more and more broadcast rights revenue.

  • michaelfzar - 2014-03-05 15:55

    Agreed.. Think they should have made a format like they do with the currie cup with promotion and relegations etc.

  • Genio Deporte - 2014-03-05 16:01

    My suggestion is that one year instead of having a super 15, as we know it, they switch it to one log and use a super 14 (all against all, twice) tournament style; and use that to determine the best 3 individual teams for SA, NZ, and Aus. Start a Super 9 competition (does not flow well with off of the tongue, but still) where each side plays each other, twice (home and away). Top 3 teams (on top of the log) automatically qualify, regardless of where they are from, and the other 6 teams will be determined by which teams (from each: SA, Aus & NZ) are highest on the log. The other 6 teams (2 SA, 2 Aus and 2 NZ) that were relegated move to a Super 8 tournament, joined in with 2 Argentinian teams, that kicks off right after the Super 9 tournament ends. We will thus grow 3 extremely strong teams and two strong ones and Argentina will get to better their players. Less rugby will be played by each player but there will still be a lot of rugby to watch. Just a suggestion.

      Genio Deporte - 2014-03-05 16:04

      We can then say that any team that wins the Currie Cup and is not included in a given competition will have the opportunity to compete against that given competition's bottom feeder (from SA) for a relegation spot. Will keep the teams motivated to keep performing.

  • markwmilligan - 2014-03-05 16:10

    I totally agree

  • Nuusman Ekke - 2014-03-05 16:19

    Dankie Francios, ek stem saam en dit moet sommer drasties verminder word. Ek hou voet by stuk net drie spanne per land. As ek egter my sin kry sal daar geen Zansar met sy viernasie en super rugby wees nie maar ordentlike toere met twee wedstryde per week en minstens drie toetse per reeks. Daar sal dan weer werklike ontwikkeling wees waar spelers speeltyd kry en nie die bank warm sit en dan net die laaste drie minute speel nie wat vir niemand voordelig is nie.

  • Leon Le Roux - 2014-03-05 16:26

    Teveel van n goeie ding raak naderhand afgesaag. Stem 100% saam.

  • Barney Klaasin - 2014-03-05 17:29

    South Africa is a rugby playing nation and believe to include the Kings on more permanent basis can be a good thing for the region.The Sharks also started scrapy but they a force to be regcon with.It will also accomodate more players to be expose to this standard.

  • Donovan Dunn - 2014-03-05 17:45

    Pienaar happy with Varsity Cup cause he makes millons from it...

  • Barney Klaasin - 2014-03-05 17:47

    South Africa is a rugby playing nation and believe to include the Kings on more permanent basis can be a good thing for the region.The Sharks also started scrapy but they a force to be regcon with.It will also accomodate more players to be expose to this standard.

  • Jeandre' Esterhuizen - 2014-03-05 18:02

    There is not too much rugby to watch I would watch super rugby every weekend I like watching nz games and sa teams vs ausies and nz rather than vodacom cup or curie cup.

      Nick Mullett - 2014-03-05 18:54

      Please use punctuation marks. It could save someone's life.

  • Chris Du Preez - 2014-03-05 20:46

    Jippee!!! Completely stopped watching rugby after super 12. So glad a expert can see they are ruining the sport.

  • Jacobus Francois Havenga - 2014-03-05 21:13

    Ek stem saam. SARU gaan eenvoudig mal oor transformasie, maar die Stormers en Sharks word toegelaat om buitelandse spelers te kontrakteer. As ons dan ons plaaslike spelers die geleenthede wil gee, moet daar nie buitelandse spelers speel nie. Waar gaan ons goeie speles kry om die 6de span vol te maak om nie ons naam met 'n plank te slaan nie.

  • Graham Heaton - 2014-03-07 01:46

    I am not sure South Africa warrants a 6th side. We have had the wooden spoon team 13/18 years so far. More wooden spoons for the republic I guess

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