Lions seek S15 alternative

2012-09-12 17:14

Johannesburg - Golden Lions Rugby Union (GLRU) president Kevin de Klerk believes the Lions could pave the way for a possible alternative competition to Super Rugby for South Africa.

De Klerk said his union had been hard at work securing competition for their team after they were relegated from next year's Super Rugby competition.

"There is a very strong possibility that the Lions could show South Africa a different way regarding these competitions," De Klerk said.

He said the GLRU made good progress in securing possible competition against teams from Europe, America and the South Sea Islands.

The union had to find alternative competition for the team ahead of a promotion-relegation match at the end of the 2013 Super Rugby season against the bottom team in the South African conference.

"We are pretty much well down the road in securing that, it is the Golden Lions' efforts so far that has enabled that to happen," he said.

"We have to put together a pretty good tournament that would be of the equivalent standard of Super 15, which will give our players the right kind of competition that people like Heyneke Meyer and SA Rugby could have a look at effectively."

It has been suggested before that the country should look to the Northern Hemisphere as an alternative to the current Super Rugby competition, involving teams from Australia, New Zealand and South Africa.

The argument is that it would make travelling easier, as teams would not have to travel across timelines, as South African teams currently do in Super Rugby.

It is further argued that a competition with Europe would be conducive for broadcasting with little or no time difference.

De Klerk said there had been calls from fans for a new competition, to rejuvenate their appetite for rugby.

"If I talk to the people they say 'please give us something else, please give us another competition -- we would love to see the French clubs play here, [we] would like to see the Americans or South Sea Islands here'," he said.

"It might just be very appetising for all of us here in South Africa to look at that."

He said if their plans panned out, it might me a viable option for them to remain in that competition.

"It might just be that this competition suits us, but the decision would rest with us if we would like to proceed with that competition in 2014, and it might suit us better," De Klerk said.

He added that the idea would be to play home-and-away matches that would appease fans, players and stakeholders.

"It will also be on a home-and-away basis so our players will also have an opportunity to go to Europe or America," he said.

"We are working very hard on those aspects and we are well down the road to tying those up.

"The bulk (of the matches) will take place in South Africa.

"We are trying to hold more games than we would have played anyway, had we been in Super 15."

De Klerk said the GLRU was hopeful that they would be able to confirm the competition for his side within the next two weeks.

Lions interim coach Johan Ackermann said competition against different opposition would also encourage his players, after the side was relegated from next year's Super Rugby competition.

"It is a great opportunity for players to realise there will be games that will be at a high level," Ackermann said.

"We've got such a young group, so it is not the end of the world if you miss six months of your life of Super Rugby, but you play a different competition, and we will be back in Super Rugby after that."


  • ruan.smith.14 - 2012-09-12 17:22

    Good Luck Lions!! But this story sounds close to the "new sponsor" thing not so long ago, which didnt turn out as expected, so rather be humble and say that youre looking at options, than saying things like you would possibly want to stay out of Super Rugby with your proposed rebel series.

  • jean.wet.1 - 2012-09-12 17:35

    I suppose the good side to this is that the Lions are actually trying to do something about their situation rather than just taking it lying down.. could be cool if it materialises.

  • macziekpk - 2012-09-12 17:38

    The way things are going I support that league because I might be watching the Bulls playing in it

  • andre.terblanche.5 - 2012-09-12 17:38

    Lions Goeie CC span en dit is al. Gaan Japan toe.

      deon.fouche.3 - 2012-09-12 18:51

      As jy nie iets goed of positief te se het nie, hou asseblief jou mond! Jy raas net!!!

      melt.esterhuizen - 2012-09-12 19:36

      @ Andre, As ek reg onthou het daardie cc span die Bulle n goeie opstopper gegee? Jy is seker een van die mees negatiewe persone , gemeet aan jou kommentaar, wat ek al ervaar het. Soos dit voorkom weet jy van rugby bitter min en soek jy aandag (negatiewe) op die forum. Gaan kyk daar agter in jou erf le n paar sinkplate, bou n duiwehok en vlieg duiwe en los die rugby vir mense wat rugby kommentaar wil en kan gesels. Sterkte ou grote

      franz.prade.9 - 2012-09-12 19:42

      Support jy miskien een van die spanne wat teen die Lions verloor het? Ek sal dan liewer stil bly

      deon.fouche.3 - 2012-09-12 21:26

      @franz, ja andre support die mannetjies in pink

  • justin.roper.3705 - 2012-09-12 18:11

    The lions should still be in the Super15, the kings will be the biggest joke in world rugby, the kings can't even win the 1st division, or even get into the Currie cup and now they are going straight to super rugby, kings won't win one game next year

      deon.fouche.3 - 2012-09-12 18:53

      I agree, but this year they will win the 1st division (means nothing anyway compare to S15) but I believe they are going to buy several current Springboks.

      joneethling - 2012-09-12 19:28

      Why should the Lions be in the Super 15? They do not buy players, and the players rebel against the coach that gave them a bit of success for the 1st time in living memory. They must 1st get their house in order.

      suidlander.vanwyk - 2012-09-12 23:02

      Justin, enough of this nonsense now plz, take your Lions team and go and play in Jamaica for all I care

  • lunga.biyela.5 - 2012-09-12 18:17

    What about a Super Rugby first division that would work on a promotion/relegation basis?

      ruan.smith.14 - 2012-09-12 20:30

      Lekker Lunga!!

      ruan.smith.14 - 2012-09-12 20:31

      But then its nothing super at all!!!

      edward.diegaard - 2012-09-12 20:52

      Yes plz and have teams from USA, Argentina, Samoa, Fiji and Tonga also in it...

  • jako.merwe - 2012-09-12 19:05

    Now you're talking. Life gives you lemons... The Nrl in aus . Nascar in the USA. even one day cricket was started by rebel organisations.

  • nicolaas.vanschalkwyk.5 - 2012-09-12 19:27

    Whether you like the lions or not you have to agree that what was doen to them was not right.The EP kings and their racist leader cheeky paid the board of sanzar to be include in the super 15.

      suidlander.vanwyk - 2012-09-12 23:04

      how is Cheeky racist again? for standing up to the injustices of the past? wow, you such a genius, you must be from that town I won't mention its name

      rassie.venter.5 - 2012-09-14 16:08

      Gaan bietjie sy geskiedenis na wil liewer niks se nie, dan sal julle sien waarmee julle te doen het

  • wehan.victor - 2012-09-12 19:39

    I still don't understand how you relegate the Curry Cup Champs.

  • beechie.strydom - 2012-09-12 19:59

    Luyt kla oor die vlugvoosheid van spelers as hulle NZ en Aus to vlieg. Vlugte na USA is net so erg en die wedstryd tye gaan dalk vroeg in die oggend SA tyd wees

  • keith.baxter.94 - 2012-09-12 20:10

    Better hope its not equivalent standard to Super Rugby or you will be relegated from that as well

  • reinie.brandt - 2012-09-12 21:17

    Good idea, it could work. De Klerk must get Mr Luyt to do the talking. But with all the different competitions out there, there won't be many good teams to compete.

  • Johnson - 2012-09-12 23:16

    Poor lions - lesson don't end up at the bottom of the log, you may end up looking for a job

  • fef.gericke - 2012-09-13 05:47

    but they are playing in alternative competition...the Vodacom Cup!

  • francois.v.eeden.3 - 2012-09-13 07:59's only good for SA rugby and the Boks if they can play in a good competition against quality opposition and a variety of conditions.

  • nico.pretorius.946 - 2012-09-13 08:25

    So if the Lions pull this off and play in a different league comparative to Super Rugby, and then next year win the relegation match against the Queens, we will then play in TWO leagues! That will be awesome!! More players, better players, more rugby for Lions fans :) GO LIONS!!

  • ltjvrensburg - 2012-09-13 08:52

    Vodacom cup??

  • hallo.daar.56 - 2012-09-13 09:18

    It's called Vodacom Cup, losers.

  • nico.smit.1272 - 2012-09-13 10:16

    While they are at it, why nit approach teams like the USA, Canada to also give them that type of exposure for future rugby. Like the idea maybe more SA teams need to join in to this.

  • gustav.kriel.3 - 2012-09-13 10:52

    "love to see the French clubs play here, [we] would like to see the Americans or South Sea Islands here".... its probably only lions supporters that say that... Why? Cause they cant beat the aussies or kiwi's... Why would you wana play against weaker teams if you can play against the best in the world...

      KLSmith51 - 2012-09-13 19:15

      Gustav, i for one lost my real passion long ago when unfair referees from NZ and Aus blew us of the park. So we as SA has a much bigger following of supporters than those 2 countries put together and then we still time travel. I would much rather make a 7 nations competition with the North and get paid in Pounds or Euro's and let NZ, AUS, JAPAN, and the South Sea Islands form there own competition. I am really sick of crooked refs that turns a blind eye.

  • alan.ingram.355 - 2012-09-13 11:01

    Go for it Keven PLEASE get us SA rugby fans something new in rugby as we are ALL sick and tired of seen super 15 and Tri nations rugby. I dont even watch rugby any more, PLEASE help us in SA

  • bobbie.crowther - 2012-09-13 15:20

    I think this has exciting potential. In this article, Kevin de Klerk mentioned the USA French and South Sea Islands teams, to play in this suggested format. I would like to see teams from South America as well. It would strengthen the currrent Rugby Championship format and especially for Argentina. There is quite a gap between Club and National rugby. SA, NZ and Australia is at the top of the ladder because of the Super Rugby format

  • Eddie.Minora - 2012-09-13 19:07

    With all the drama around Superugby, and the fact that the Lions are replaced by the Kings in 2013, I think it is time that you seriously stop playing second fiddle to the Australians and Nieu-Zealanders that is running this show. It is time for South-African Rugby to climb on to the money bus just like the bus SANZAR are riding on since the start of Super 8.Bring back a South-African Series, just like in the old days of the Lions Cup, but give it a more PSL, English League flare. Mix it with Superugby flare, involve all the Rugby Unions in South Africa playing Vodacom Cup, and give them the advantage of inviting 4 international players if they want to give everyone an equal chance. All South-African Rugby Supporters will still back their teams and will stand behind such a decision. We have enough rugby talent in this country to do this. After this, we can’t leave out the oldest tournament in world rugby, the Currie Cup. But what is standing out for me about this whole idea, is that it opens a window between our possible South African Series & the Currie Cup, and that is to extend the Rugby Championship to more teams like Samoa, Fiji, Tonga, Namibia & even Kenya. Wake up SARU and smell the coffee, you are losing out big time if you don’t break away from Superugby in 2015. Not only are losing out, you are the cause of unions getting bankrupt. At the end you will also benefit from broadcasting this tournament, the sky is the limit.

      KLSmith51 - 2012-09-13 19:33

      Eddie, SARU must stay out of this they can only mess it up. Form a new rugby thing with Louis Luyt and 70% will follow him.

  • jan.scheepers.927 - 2012-09-14 17:53

    Great idea Lions. Wish you can play in the Heineken cup for a start.

  • mario.v.calcagni - 2012-09-18 09:16

    Its 1978 and world serioes Cricket all over again.

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