Kings rout satisfies Mitchell

2012-02-16 08:14

George - Even though the fight the Southern Kings put up against the Lions on Tuesday was rather meek, Lions coach John Mitchell believes the experience was invaluable.

Mitchell was not overly concerned by the hapless nature of the Kings’ resistance after his side thrashed the Southern Cape side 88-0 at Outeniqua Park.

He did not hesitate in saying the Kings’ line-up, consisting mostly of SWD Eagles and Border players, would not cut it in Super Rugby.

“It was a good practice run,” Mitchell said. “When we faced similar opposition last year, we were sloppy.”

Rumours about the Lions’ vulnerability as a result of the Kings' inclusion in Super Rugby in 2013 have been widespread, but the result emphatically underlined its lack of credibility.

“Games like these aren’t easy, though,” Mitchell added. “Sometimes you let your standard drop to that of the opposition.”

Another positive for the Lions was the news that Ruaan Botha’s ankle injury seems less serious than first thought when the 20-year-old lock was carried off the field.

“If he’s lucky he might only be out for three weeks,” the Lions coach said before praising the fallen youngster.

“But my word, I thought he was outstanding.”


  • Mielie - 2012-02-16 08:16

    I see that Butch James in his new book predicts that the Lions will win the 2012 Super and Currie.Mooi Butch noudat jy in die Transvaal is kom jy reg.

      Mielie - 2012-02-16 08:17

      Baie dankie vir jou mooi bydrae Mielie

      Mielie - 2012-02-16 08:18

      Ag dis sommer niks nie. Die Leeus is koning en gaan rugby vir ten minste die volgende 10 jaar oorheers.

      Mielie - 2012-02-16 08:19

      Ten minste het die Leeus nie soos die Stormers in 19 Supers in 'n ry, 14 Vodacoms in 'n ry en 11 Curries in 'n ry nie 'n beker gewen nie.Ek sweer ek sou ge-emigreer het Pakistan toe as die Leeus so 'n swak rekord gehad het.

      Mielie - 2012-02-16 08:20

      Ja nee Mielie jy weet waarvan jy praat.

      Mielie - 2012-02-16 08:22

      Goeie een Mielie

      Lionel - 2012-02-16 08:23

      Daars nie pille vir dom mense nie!!!!!!

      Nico - 2012-02-16 08:27

      Jy is reg mielie, jy weet waarvan jy praat :) Butch gaan nog weer goeie rugby vir die Lions speel, Carlos sal hom regkry :)

      Mielie - 2012-02-16 08:28

      Ek hoor Pampers gaan die Stormers voorry borg want elke keer as hulle inslaan in 'n skrum is daar 'n blertsie in hulle broekies

      Pierre - 2012-02-16 08:35

      Finally a Lion Super learned how to use the Internet.

      Blou-Daan - 2012-02-16 08:46

      @Mielie Ek is n Bulls ondersteuner en die Lions is my 2de span en ek hoop regtig die Lions gaan ons trots maak maar ek is te versigtig om nou al te opgewonde te raak. Ek hoop wel dat hulle al hulle games gaan wen, hulle hoef net te verloor teen die Bulle in die final met een punt :-)

      Bootman - 2012-02-16 08:57

      Mielie you've got your whole life to be a moron. Dont you wanna take a break just for today.........BULLS ARE FAIRIES

      Shistirrer - 2012-02-16 09:17

      Mielie, carrying on a conversation with yourself? Even praising yourself? Irrefutable proof that to be a Lions supporter, you have to be stark raving bonkers.

      Champ - 2012-02-16 10:17

      Mielie, nou hoe praat jy en jouself so met mekaar??

      Champ - 2012-02-16 10:18

      Sjoe, Champ, nou vra jy hom vas!!

      Shistirrer - 2012-02-16 12:43

      BlueRaven, I'm happy for you if the people up north call it humour, but then you shouldn't complain if we call you retards. In Mielie's defence, he had one thing correct: "Die Leeus is koning" - especially after their inevitable merger with the Kings into the Lion Kings. Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.

      Hennie - 2012-02-17 17:25

      Mielie,ek hoop Butch bly boeke skryf want hy kan nie meer rugby speel nie

  • Nico - 2012-02-16 08:26

    GO LIONS!! It is going to be a good year for the Lions :)

      Mielie - 2012-02-16 08:30

      Dankie Nico ek sien jy is geseen met Einsteinagtige intelligensie

      Lionel - 2012-02-16 08:32

      Nico,top 6 for you guys this year????????

      Nico - 2012-02-16 09:05

      @Lionel, i don't think top 6 Lionel, i think we might scrape into 6th place! Won't be conference winners, that will be either Sharks or Bulls, but I've got my eye on spot 6 :)

      Lionel - 2012-02-16 09:30

      Barring injuries I think you guys will do well. Bulls won't end top,want to see how they handle the pressure if they are behind on points and as Saffa says,Spies to motivate the boys,I don't quite think so!!! Sharks look good!!! As for my beloved Stormers,I am worried about prop and Hooker!!!

      Nico - 2012-02-16 10:42

      @Lionel, as to the stormers, I get this feeling that you guys are now going to go through what us Lions supporters did, your management sucks and they will drag down the whole of the region with them! Lions only started improving as we started getting rid of the clueless management and replaced them with rugby people. The quicker you guys can do the same the quicker your pains will be over!

  • Raeez - 2012-02-16 08:42

    We just need a good start to the season thats all. If we can manage to win the first 2 games its gonna be a awesome season.

  • Will - 2012-02-16 09:24

    Lions are looking good and will definitely be a force this year. The bulls will finish last in the SA conference!

      Mielie - 2012-02-16 09:34

      Will trek a.s.b 'n broek aan. SA conference as volg Bulls 1, Lions 2, Cheetahs 3, Sharks 4, Stormers disqualified for having too many injuries.

      Blou-Daan - 2012-02-16 09:49

      @Mielie Janee, Mielie, ek kan sien jy ken jou rugby.....!!!!! My volgorde lyk presies nes joune.....!!!!

      Carelle Van der Merwe - 2012-02-16 16:13

      Dink ook die stormers is in die moeilikheid maar die pienk bulls is ook net so sleg. Dink persoonlik die sharks gan wen met lions/cheetahs wat veg vir 2 en 3

  • Champ - 2012-02-16 10:27

    John Mitchell did not hestitate in saying that the Kings will not cut it in Super Rugby so Solomons wants to go shopping in Europe, saying that the players that come off contract in Europe will be their primary source for recruitment, along with players coming off contract domestically. But the following quotes says it all: "I thought the idea of the Kings was to give the vast hordes of untapped talent of the eastern cape to flourish. It appears to me that they look set to coble a rag tag side made up of other teams unwanted players. So the Kings are going to recruit euro based players? The only ones who will be available will be the ones who can no longer command top wages in France - a fair indication they are past it. Top players , will be unlikely to join a struggling side even if they decide to return to SA to boost their Bok prospects. The Kings are very much the iliegitimate son of ANC political intervention and SARU's weakness"..Nico "And I thought they were there to develop rugby in the region. I also keep hearing that the best rugby players come out of that region. The Kings have been in the making for the past 5 years or so, and they could not develop since then. Yes go and buy the players in Europe, otherwise you will embaress SA." . Viva Le Bok

      Vernon - 2012-02-16 13:09

      Champ - five year story is rubbish ... we only got Super rugby approval a few weeks ago . The process is now for the Kings to sign up a sponsor and then contract players to enable them to field a competitve team in Super Rugby and the only way to do that is to scout amongst players who do not have contracts or whose contracts are running out - would any other franchise done it any differently with such short notice As far as development is concerned I challenge you to compare any other franchise's development of black or coloured players , with all the money at their disposal versus black or coloured players developed in Kings area that other franchises have poached.

      Champ - 2012-02-16 18:35

      @ Vernon: Measuring development of black or coloured players will be very difficult - mainly because of (once again) political interference that has quotas for, for example, Cravenweek teams. This results in Provinces selecting players to meet the quota requirements (and yes, many of them from EC and WP) only for those players to never play "big" rugby again. However, having been in a position to see players in many Provinces over the past couple of years, the passion of youngsters in the Northern Cape, EP and Boland for rugby are second to none. As for the five year story: I stand to be corrected, but didn't it start with the "Spears"??

  • Vernon - 2012-02-16 11:13

    News24 Golden Pussycats propaganda again ... just as a matter of interest to Mr Mitchell - if EP had received their rightful place from SA rugby when Super rugby started the Lions could have been facing a Kings team that looked like this ( all these players were schooled and played rugby in Kings recruitment area ) 15 Kirchner , 14 Mvovu , 13 JJ Engelbrecht 12 Stevens ,11Bjorn Basson 10 Elton Jantjies , 9 Rory Cockett , 8 Ryan Kankowski , 7 Kolisis , 6 Keegan Daniel 5 Bulbring 4 Sykes 3 Ryno Gerber 2 Bandisa Maku 1Jaco Engels - should be obvious who really develops players ( take note Mr Hoskins ) and no wonder the other franchises are so worried Kings get their rightful place in Super rugby - other unions might have to do their own development neh ?

      Marius - 2012-02-16 11:25

      @ Vernon. You left out Dewald and Jacques Potgieter, Lionel Cronje, Tim Whitehead and Michael Killian and you can have both Ndugane brothers, Fudge Mabetha and Chris Jonck on the bench as well

      Champ - 2012-02-16 12:55

      @ Vernon: so if ALL players go back to the areas wher they were recruited, will the Kings then make it? Looking at the School Rankings I don't think so: For example: Cheetahs will be strongest with Grey Bloem, Lions will be strong with Monnas and KES, Bulls will be strong with Affies, Pretoria Boys, Waterkloof, Sharks will be strong with Glenwood, Kearnsney and Stormers will be strong with players form Boishaai, Paarl Gym, Paul Roos, Bishops ... So, rethink your argument and lets talk..

      Vernon - 2012-02-16 13:03

      @Champ - not at all , my point is everyone is getting hysterical about Kings participation , The point everyone is missing , mainly because they are not fully aware of the history behind the Super Rugy set up and the unfair treatment dished up to EP based on false promises .... is that the Kings would have been on a fairly competitive footing with other franchises had the proper process been followed at that time .... and the teams shows where a lot of development has taken place versus other franchises home grown black/coloured players

      Pierre - 2012-02-16 14:13

      Actually Elton Janjies went to high school in florida near joburg area... Maybe his earlier years but u cant count him in your make up squad. Besides if all players stayed in their unions were they grew up in there wouldnt be the salaries these guys make and there would be less people interested in playing rugby. so there are pros and cons to your statement, but the way u looking at it is like a racing horse with flaps - one dimensional.

      Marius - 2012-02-16 14:41

      @ Pierre. The salaries are exactly what causes the problem in the SA rugby setup. The NZ Super Rugby model has their franchises owned by the national body which then contracts directly from the various provinces, but that works on a basis that their provinces are NOT the operators of the franchises. SARU tried the same model BUT allocated “franchise licenses” to regions to operate a Super franchise. The result has been that the more players a franchise operator has in Super Rugby the more it gets from SARU… and in a two tier CC system that means that the place SARU chooses to base the franchise benefits most when it has many players in Super Rugby, hence the WP, Lions, Sharks, Bulls were all able to cut out their partners by contracting their good players directly because they got plenty money from SARU and thus impoverish the smaller unions. Truth is that in the 1990's unions like the Leopards, Pumas, Valke, Griquas, SWD, EP were good but Super Rugby and the franchise system literally killed them and lead us to where we are now. With a bunch of tiny barely surviving teams and the Big ones.

      BlousteBlou - 2012-02-16 15:02

      And do the other franchises only employ players from that region? There is no way that everybody who was born in the Eastern Cape will move to the Kings - it shouldn't even be necessary to write this because it is common knowledge.

  • Melvin - 2012-02-16 16:10

    if all sa rugby players were forced to play in the city where they went to school - the kings would probably still be weaker than the cheetahs and the lions. The cheetahs would get back players like the duplessis bro's, pienaar, frans steyn (all from grey bloem), and the lions would get back the likes of habana (KES), Alberts (Monument), Jacque Fourie ( Monument), Joe van niekerk(KES) just to name a few. There is actually not one eastern cape schooled rugby player who is a regular in the bok setup at present.

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