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Kings must explain rule breach

2013-03-17 22:01

Cape Town - The Kings will have to explain in a report to the South African Rugby Union (SARU) why they picked three foreign players in their 22-man squad against the Chiefs on Friday night.

According to the SA Rugby magazine website, the Kings utilised three foreign players in Friday's 35-24 loss to the defending Super Rugby champions.

Captain Darron Nell was injured in the warm-up prior to the game, which saw Argentine loose forward Tomás Leonardi join countryman Nicolas Vergallo on the bench. New Zealander Hadleigh Parkes started at inside centre, which meant the Kings fielded three foreign players in their squad - one more than the two allowed by SARU.

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Leonardi was on the field from the 23rd to the 32nd minute as a replacement, and again from the 58th minute onwards, while scrumhalf Vergallo came on in 79th minute. Parkes was substituted in the 72nd minute.

Two other players, prop Jaco Engels (Namibia) and forward Daniel Adongo (Kenya), also came off the bench but are not considered foreigners, as players from the African continent are not regarded as foreign players, according to SARU policy.

The Kings this week travel to Australasia where they wil face seven-times champions, the Crusaders, in Christchurch on Saturday.

The men from Port Elizabeth are currently second from bottom on the overall log, and last in the South African conference.

Sport24

Comments
  • Shaheem Galant - 2013-03-17 22:29

    Los nou die Kings af ai they doing good so far it was never a problem when my stormers team nd sharks had forieners in there team nd in tym EC will produce stars like the ones they lost 2 other big Unions

      Mark Smith - 2013-03-18 07:24

      Bob Jones I agree with you. You can see all the haters by the number of thumbs down we will both receive. SARU thought they were setting the Kings up for failure but little do they know.

      Paul Sdoow - 2013-03-18 08:10

      so its okay if the foreign players ain't been heard of? ha ha ya what ever . . the rule is there to make sure we use local talent which is something cheekster was set on using local talent . and don't argue there ain't cause nmmu ain't doing to bad in varsity cup . and wp were forced to use the young players last year and so are the bulls using young school leavers . and five months to get a team together and train is pretty much more than the other teams as they have December January to train and formulate a squad .

      Barney Dino - 2013-03-18 08:43

      So the Queens are exempt from following laid down rules?????? Is that what you Queens supporters are saying...maybe we should draw up a seperate list for the Queens only...maybe a try for the Queens should be worth 7 points, and not only 5? Maybe the Queens can field 16 players and not 15? Im not a Queen hater (yeah right), but rules are for everyone.

      Chez Kri - 2013-03-18 08:51

      @Paul Sdoow. Are you perhaps American or from Joburg's west rand? "aint" is jarring my brain on a Monday morning. please use "isn't" or "aren't" rather. Thank you.

      Neville Watson - 2013-03-18 09:11

      When did the sharks field more than the allowed number of foreign players?

      ni.rho.7 - 2013-03-18 09:23

      Haha. Bob & markt, what planet are you on? Kings have played 3, only won 1, are comfortably bottom of the conference (and haven't even toured yet!). Who are they surprising? They are coming last as expected. Only 5 months to prepare............?? haha............ what about the 2 years notice they had before that????? Eish - Should expect nothing less from blinkered EC supporters I guess - whenever you lose or break the rules "it's not our fault". Haha.

      Paul Sdoow - 2013-03-18 09:37

      sorry chez . this darn Vancouver predictive text think . just ask the doctor to translate for you as knows everything .

      MartinCandis van Staden - 2013-03-18 15:09

      I did not want the kings in Super Rugby on the account of the Lions, but will admit they are doing very well with what they have, so what if they break the rules, as long as they are willing to pay the price. I think all the thumbs down on the good comments towards them is because the King have showed a F... U to all off them. And it pissed them off that the king are actually playing a very good game, and not getting that big hidings every one has been talking about, so far they gave one to a team that beat the X champs at home and lost with small margins against 2 off the top teams in supper rugby, one team is the defending champs.

  • ssvoogel - 2013-03-17 22:37

    SARU implemented the rule, the rule was broken so now they have to face the consequences. If SARU doesn't take any action, they make a fool of themselves and other rules are useless. By the way, I find it strange SARU has any say in player eligilibty since it's SANZAR who is the governing body of Super Rugby.

      Nigel Vos - 2013-03-18 11:16

      SARU is the overall governing body of rugby in South Africa. The South African component of SANZAR is subject to and answers to SARU.

      squeegee.pilot - 2013-03-18 13:53

      Take Ckeeky's bonus away...

  • Jean-Pierre Heyns - 2013-03-17 22:39

    Cant even qualify for currie cup premier division on merit Had to get loads of imports for superugby

      Jean-Pierre Heyns - 2013-03-17 22:40

      Where is da so called local talent? Oh and a loss is still a loss even if you lose by 1.

      Jean-Pierre Heyns - 2013-03-17 22:43

      Wonder why the chiefs knocked on about 8 times near the try line, maybe asked by SARU?

      bootman.bokke - 2013-03-17 23:00

      Ag no please man. Not another crying dutchman.

      Mark Smith - 2013-03-18 07:25

      Die Jean-Pierre Heyns klink baie woes.

      Donovan Hurn - 2013-03-18 08:44

      and what the hell are the Lions doing Jean

      Ryan Van Der Linde - 2013-03-18 12:32

      Donovan and Thomas, go back to the hole wenst you came!! Lions will return. stronger and a larger fan base then ever!! this not competing in the S15 for 1 year will be a blessing in disguise!!

  • Chrisin Oz - 2013-03-17 22:51

    They need to explain? And then? I suspect not even a slap on the wrist. Deduct all their log points they got from the game......oops, they didn't get any. Maybe deduct all the points they got from the game against the Sharks.......didn't get any there too. What remains? Oh, I know, kick them out of the S15. Yes, I like that idea. Having said that though, I do feel sorry for the players. They look like they are a bunch of guys that try their best and they have a couple of good players that should do well in a properly managed team, like the Stormers, Sharks, Cheetahs or even the Lions.

      bootman.bokke - 2013-03-17 22:58

      Chris what about the Bulls?

      Chrisin Oz - 2013-03-17 23:09

      What about them?

      Fabrizio Brazzale - 2013-03-17 23:09

      Well I agree an error like that shouldn't happen at this level, management to blame there. I say give them a fair chance, they have after all got a win on debut...what sa team can say that... NOT ONE of the big guns, its their first season done better than the Lions would've done what with a huge financial backing and all. I personally love watching them play, they play with grit and determination. I say Kings with a little improvement could really trouble more established teams.

      Kari Pentikainen - 2013-03-17 23:32

      Tata my chance.

      iwance.wasdere - 2013-03-17 23:33

      @bootman.bokke - Chrisin Oz is obviously just pissed off because his team hasn't won the Super title three times...

      Chrisin Oz - 2013-03-17 23:36

      Fabrizio, the players deserve a chance yes. They have shown their commitment to rugby. The management on the other hand don't give a s#!t about rugby and should be punished. Unfortunately the players and the team will bear the brunt of this punishment. That's how it works. Just on your comment about a debut win: Natal won on debut against WP, 28-22 and Northern Transvaal won on debut against Natal, 30-8. Both in 1996. When you look at when SA went over to franchise teams, the Sharks beat the Blues 28-8 on debut and the Cats beat the Bulls 39-32 on debut. Both in 1998.

      Kari Pentikainen - 2013-03-17 23:38

      Leave the grit and determination out of it. Concentrate on rugby.!

      Chrisin Oz - 2013-03-17 23:50

      iwance. Not as much as you would be p!ssed at the scoreline in Christchurch..

      Sean Diesel - 2013-03-17 23:53

      @chris Whos is top of the SA conference?

      Chris Deane - 2013-03-18 07:09

      So now all of a sudden that means something to you guys? When the Stormers top the SA conference all you say is how it meant nothing... What a joke

      Paul Sdoow - 2013-03-18 08:00

      Chris its cause they ain't won any other cup recently and they think it their easiest chance to actually get something besides a wooden spoon . .

      Donovan Hurn - 2013-03-18 08:46

      Alan Solomons is one of the best coaches the country has, if you forgot he did coach Western Province too Chris'

  • Zach Engelbrecht - 2013-03-17 23:42

    Cheeky = ANC government = no respect for rules.

      Donovan Hurn - 2013-03-18 08:47

      Leave Cheeky out of this, the Kings are doing much better than anyone expected, and now you all want to give bad comments, bunch of jelous bad losers

      Hugh O'l Phart - 2013-03-18 12:50

      or for other team colours. Whats with Solomons using Black and white for the kings? He seems to have an obsession with black. Did that with the stormers way back when. He was fired from WC and the team colours reverted to the traditional Blue and White. EP's colours are Red and Black ffs.

      Gerald Parker - 2013-03-18 14:02

      Thomas what else is there to do in Port Elizabeth except watching an imported team.Watson said that he would use LOCAL Talent. What Local Talent even your coach in imported from Western Cape.

  • Band Leader - 2013-03-17 23:46

    This was just silly. Solly is doing a great job, it's their first season of Super Rugby, hopefully there will be some leniency. But professionals should not make such mistakes.

  • Johan van Schaik - 2013-03-18 00:09

    Jaco engels kom van potch af bly om te hoor ons is deel van namibia

      Chrisin Oz - 2013-03-18 00:54

      Jaco Engels is born in Oranjemund in Namibia and eligible to play for Namibia. Although he has not played for them, he is widely regarded as a Namibian rugby player.

      Alan Street - 2013-03-18 05:17

      You are so wrong Johan! He is in fact Namibian born. Google Jaco Engels to confirm this.

      Chrisin Oz - 2013-03-18 05:37

      Alan, I think what Johan meant was that he went to school in Potch. However, like you said he is Namibian by birth and made himself eligible to play for Namibia.

      Sean Diesel - 2013-03-18 06:03

      ou chrissie, wha ha ha ha haaaaaa, in watter grot het hulle jou toe opgetel nadat Dokter jou in die eerste rondte ge-KO het? Gaan jy steeds vir ons try vertel wat ortopede in Kanada maak? bha ha En wanneer korrigeer jy my Metaan/Suurstof formule, toe wys ons, hy's mos nou so vreeslik verkeerd volgens jou. Toe oubaas se honne, ek het jou al 5 keer gevra om die korrekte formule dan te gee. Jy weet mos als van als, hoekom vertel jy nie sommer vir 'n ingenieur hoe om 'n brug te bou of se die manne by NASA hoe om 'n rocket te launch. Maar ou jakkalsdraai chris politikus hardloop weer al die kante toe om nie die vrae te beantwoord nie, shamepies. Next please

  • Anton Dickson - 2013-03-18 05:33

    They were never suppose to even use players from other provinces never mind oversees They don't deserve to be we're they are Cheeky why don't you rather try and become ring master of a circus please you might do better

  • Wikus Erasmus - 2013-03-18 05:45

    What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander...

  • Berto Petra Mostert - 2013-03-18 06:02

    SARB must ef off!!!! Why do they allow Lions to play silly games against sub standard teams like this poor excuse of a French rugby club!! I'm so sick pf this provincialism. Why are the Lions players not placed with the Kings?? I think NZ has a better system in place.

      Sydney Campbell - 2013-03-18 06:37

      SARB???????South African Reserve Bank! Dont you mean SARU???? LOL

      Francois Petzer - 2013-03-18 08:06

      Uhm, Lions players with the Kings? You must be joking? Ek wil nie my Lions naby die Watsons he nie, wil jy dan die Lion Kings he of hoe?

      Remo Liut - 2013-03-18 20:50

      Berto Petra, your name sais alot are you the local pe closet tranny, the reason the LIONS are playing these games (sanctioned by the IRB) is to give their players game time. Unlike the cry babies from the ec, the LIONS administratin did not sit on their thumbs and complain they did something to keep the Union alive. In the six months from getting the boot they oranised these games, this says more about their commitment to the welfare of rugby in the region than the commitment shown by the ec. The ec knew they were going to get Super rugby and they could not even get a proper vodacom cup side together. Maybe one day you will see the light and visit the city you like to knock so much, believe me you do not need a passport. the LIONS players refused to go to the kings, the reason their loyalty to the province. Now think of the situation, ec rugby gets a boost by SARU and the parlimentry sports commitee at the cost of killing one of the oldest unions in our history. Well enjoy it while it lasts as you know what comes around goes around. personally I think the poeples of pe are selfish putting their wants above the whole countries by crying we want more and not thinking of the consequences to others.

      Mark Kirkness - 2013-03-18 21:37

      No Berto you must ef off. They are contracted to the Lions, who are doing what they need to do to pay the bills and keep the players for next year when they are back in Super Rugby. They are not sitting around waiting to be given everything and the Lions have gone up in my book with their positive approach. If the Kings take the Lions players on loan now what happens next year? When the Lions all go back to Joberg do you then expect to get all the Cheetahs/Sharks/Bulls/Stormers for a year? Sounds to me like you don't actually have a team of your own so you plan to put other teams on display in PE on a rotating basis, until you get relegated again in 1-3 years time. Good luck, you'll never get the continuity you need to succeed. And heaven help you if they introduce a play off and the Kings have to give back their loan players ahead of the fixture. What a joke! The tragedy is that the SA conference 4th place finisher (probably the Cheetahs due to issues with depth later in the season) faces the same crap the Lions are going through now because Cheeky is gonna make sure the Kings are guaranteed a few more years. At least Two SA franchises are gonna be severely damaged just so the Kings can have special treatment. Go Sharks!

  • Berto Petra Mostert - 2013-03-18 06:14

    Also there is very little fairness in the system. NZ dish out citizenship to foreigh sportsmen left right and centre. I remember Irene van Dyk (SA netbal star) given citizenship after just one year residence. So are they honestly giving players from the South Sea Islands the same?

      Niel van der Walt - 2013-03-18 07:30

      Its a different country, they have their own rules. Irrelevant comment.

  • frankgerald - 2013-03-18 07:10

    SARU should rather explain why they kept the Eastern Cape for so long and kept an under performing Lions team in Super rugby so long. SARU should explain why they gave the Southern Kings the greenlight only five months before the start of the super rugby competition. SARU should explain why they gave the Kings only one season to survive in Super rugby. Nothing to worry about Mr Cheeky Watson and the Southern Kings. Go kings go...behind you all the way!

      Niel van der Walt - 2013-03-18 07:33

      En jy moet explain hoekom hulle jou op jou kniee in luke watson se dressing room gekry het!

      Paul Sdoow - 2013-03-18 07:37

      you way off there . stormers will show you guys how to beat Jake. he a teacher and plays on the weakness of his opposition. you only need change your game plan for the match and you will have a win over him. as for the sharks he played on the out to in defence and caught them out wide . sucked in players with there big 8 which won't be so big against duane . rugby lesson for all to learn take note .

      Paul Sdoow - 2013-03-18 07:48

      so Gerald what about grikwas . hey at least make the cc and have still played competitive rugby ? and do you start training for k tournament now when you enter? preparation and training should have been done way before and it still not an excuse to bend or break rules. the rules were set out and tongue in cheek Watson knew this rule beforhand. so why was it ignored?

      Niel van der Walt - 2013-03-18 08:21

      Paul, that 8 has more skill than duane wich will make the difference. Stormers with their gang tackles leave space, offload like he did to tomane and its try time. The stormers couldnt even outsmart the chiefs, doubt if theyll outsmart jake. If the brumbies keep and protect the ball they will win.

      Paul Sdoow - 2013-03-18 09:31

      he can teach a team how to beat another but he can't teach a team to win against some one he don't know. look at all of the previous lake matches even with the boks he loses when it a different. is strategy played than normal . he can't play what he doesn't know . and the sharks tried to protect lambi too much so that have brums the space already . loop around passes don't create gaps its the lack of following the ball and two people attack the carry in haste. sharks were left depending on a wing against three continuously . Jake also targeted the one and three where his props were mobile compared to Jani and co watch the re cycle time from tackle to on the feet again . that's something province is good at . watch this weekends compared to last weekend different strategy for different opponent but sharks attempted same execution .

      frankgerald - 2013-03-18 09:42

      @Niel your reply/comment has nothing to do with the article!

      Hugh O'l Phart - 2013-03-18 12:53

      @Frank, seriously? The lions played premier league not first division, hence the EP not qualifying for SR. surly you’re not that slow?

  • evert.vanstaaden - 2013-03-18 08:10

    Why do the Kings even need to bolster their ranks with these foreign players, I was under the impression that they are all about nurturing local talent and giving youngsters a chance, oh wait, those players couldn't even secure a spot in the Currie Cup first division...

  • Sonwabile Sony Antonie - 2013-03-18 08:16

    The Kings haters really need to get original hating material cos they are getting lame.

      frankgerald - 2013-03-18 09:29

      Sonwabile they are never going to stop,just let them be. As I said before they seems to enjoy it. Any negative comments will make their day and give some meaning to their lives!

  • louis.bensch.31 - 2013-03-18 08:25

    Only a slap on the wrist, nothing is going to happen and we all know that. Kots se pa will wangle his way again out of this one.

  • jeremy002 - 2013-03-18 09:07

    Shouldn't we all, with Cheeky Watson, still be ambarrassed and ashamed about all the players with white skins that were fielded on Saturday? Tsk, tsk.......

      jeremy002 - 2013-03-19 14:56

      @Thomas. Apparently not. What he said was quoted in the text of the report.

  • Andrew Rutheford - 2013-03-18 09:13

    What is laughable about the Kings bashers is that they started out the season saying we would see cricket scores against them. This hasn't materialized. Indeed compare this weekends performance vs the Cheetahs 45 - 3 drubbing. Regarding foreign players - the force and rebels are still allowed to field additional foreign players.

      Andrew Rutheford - 2013-03-18 09:47

      I'm sorry John I didn't know that the quality of this competition was so pathetic that the defending champions are not noteworthy competition. Seriously when you learn to make sensible counter-arguments instead of emotionally charge kneejerk drivel, please feel free to respond again.

      Champ SePa - 2013-03-18 09:54

      What is laughable about your comment Andrew Rutheford, is that despite the Cheetahs taking a heavy beating, they are still higher on the log than the queens, - and they have not had their bye yet! Regarding foreign players - surely SARU rules for SA-teams do not apply to Australian teams? Do you even know the difference between SARU and SANZAR?

      Andrew Rutheford - 2013-03-18 10:28

      Of course I know the difference.... they're spelled differently :) Let's answer your question/s slowly so that you'll be sure to understand. In the truest sense of the word the Kings infringed SARU rules by fielding one extra, unknown foreign player (I would have to concede that), however this is a SANZAR competition and as such logic tells me that the same rules SHOULD apply to ALL teams. I have never once said the Kings would win many matches, be higher on the log then other teams.... It was people like you and your ilk predicting runaway victories by all they played against that reqired of me to point out that at least they have been competitive. And lastly, if you really want to vent your misplaced rage at the loss of the under performing predictable pathetic Lions, then I suggest you choose SARU and all the unions for voting the Kings in.

      Paul Sdoow - 2013-03-18 11:14

      yes just cause we ain't heard of them they ain't foreign!

      Champ SePa - 2013-03-18 11:48

      Andrew, Andrew, Andrew - Not all people who are against the Kings’ unmerited inclusion are Lions supporters…

  • abe.botha.5 - 2013-03-18 09:25

    Cheeky and Puke are not concerned about dumb dutchmen rules. Like the ANC they make their own rules. Nothing will happen to them. End of story

  • johnvkaraoke - 2013-03-18 10:04

    if its not a sanzar rule why does saru enforce it here. surely the idea is to win the trophy and if that means a few foreign players why not. nz national side is filled 50% by foreign players

  • tim.kilpin - 2013-03-18 10:27

    The Kings need to ber taken to task for the disregard of this rule as they were adised even before the start of the tournament that they could only field two foreign players. Its time for SARA to come out with their guns blazing

  • Marshall Smith - 2013-03-18 10:55

    jean-pier u are just a loser so keep your mouth shut!!!

  • Marshall Smith - 2013-03-18 10:56

    jean-pier u are just a loser so keep your mouth shut!!!

  • Shaun Knoesen - 2013-03-18 11:14

    Disgusting how south Africans put down one of our own teams. Give the kings a break, they are new to the super rugby. They will get it right eventually.

  • Tim Nunn - 2013-03-18 11:19

    Where are the previously disadvantaged players??

      Paul Sdoow - 2013-03-18 11:33

      good one john but is that played with leven players or eleven?

  • Neville Christians - 2013-03-18 11:21

    Yes and the same should be applied to Tuks in Varsity Cup

  • Ryan Van Der Linde - 2013-03-18 12:18

    there should be no explanation, they must be punished accordingly.

  • Marius Koopman - 2013-03-18 13:40

    I honestly can't understand why the Kings have to explain their use of 3 foreign players, yet the New Zealand teams can use as many Fijian, Tongan and Samoan players as they like. Just goes to show to what extend SARU will go to make sure the Kings are not a success. The Kings in my book is already a success story, unlike the Lions who got a free pass in the past although they couldn't even win 1 Super game in a season.

      Marius Koopman - 2013-03-18 23:02

      Steven you tell me how many of the 651 000 players are Super rugby material. Please tell me. And then...my question remains. Why should the Kings be treated differently than the NZ and Australian teams when they all playing for the same trophy? Why?????

  • Hilton J Ralphs - 2013-03-18 13:57

    Another King commission :-)

  • Lionel Carter - 2013-03-18 16:01

    lets blame it on apartheid

  • Lionel Carter - 2013-03-18 16:02

    lets blame it on apartheid

  • Lionel Carter - 2013-03-18 16:14

    Marius Koopman seems to have forgot that the lions beat the kings in a warm up match

      Marius Koopman - 2013-03-18 23:08

      Lionel Carter the lions won against the Kings 2nd team and you know that. Sergeal Petersen didn't even play in that game. The lions should be kept out of Super rugby as long as possible. Everybody is now on the Kings backs about non-white players or the lack thereof, yet the lions play only one-non white player in Anthony Volmink - who is not even from Gauteng. My question is: where is the non-white players that the lions should develop???? Where? PLEASE TELL ME WHERE? Why should only the Kings develop non-white players and the lions not?? WHY??

  • Smurwe - 2013-03-19 08:42

    Kick them out of the Super Competition next year.

  • darryl.farmer.79 - 2013-03-19 16:19

    I say it's a southern mistake............join our page and spread the word https://www.facebook.com/SouthernMistake

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