Kings causing uncertainty

2012-05-11 12:47

Cape Town - Uncertainty weighs heavily on rugby franchises to be affected by a decision to promote the Southern Kings team to the Super Rugby tournament, Sport Minister Fikile Mbalula said on Friday.

Mbalula said in his department's budget vote speech in Parliament he was aware the SA Rugby Union (SARU) was involved in "complex" negotiations around the issue.

"We are aware that SARU is involved in complex negotiations that embody a number of fundamental dilemmas concerning the promotion of the Kings to Super Rugby," Mbalula said.

"It is important that SA Rugby urgently finds an amicable solution as the cloud of uncertainty and anxiety is weighing very heavily on the players and franchises which will be affected and impacted upon by their decision." SARU has promised the government that it would field a sixth team - the Southern Kings - in next season's Super Rugby tournament.

The Southern Kings have been mooted as a "black" Super Rugby team aimed at developing rugby in the Eastern Cape. They however recently appointed two New Zealand coaches and named Luke Watson, a white player, as captain.

SARU promised the Southern Kings they would be included in Super Rugby from next season, but this meant one of the existing South African teams would have to drop out of the current tournament to make space for them.

South Africa, New Zealand and Australia Rugby (SANZAR) chief executive Greg Peters has ruled out South Africa's wish to have six teams in the tournament.


  • Paul - 2012-05-11 12:58

    Kings playing Super Rugby is a joke!

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-05-11 14:04

      Guys, this is about giving a region, with loads of elligible players and rich in rugby history, a chance to grow and develop into the rugby giant they could be. They just need time, money, exposure and experience with the world's best. South Africa will benefit greatly from a developed Eastern Cape rugby setup. Mark my words!

      Press - 2012-05-11 14:10

      @Charles Dumbwin - next thing you will want us to believe in evolution . . . .

      Koos - 2012-05-11 14:16

      Do you grow by getting thumbed week after week? Look at South Africa as an example. We should have given the ancESTORS one province to govern in 1994. Once they managed to get that right they can have another one, and so on. Let the Queens play in the Currie Cup with the big boys. Once they (or any other non super team for that matter) end above a Super team they go through, no religation match. Then you might end up with a situation where the union will not let their players go and play for the Bokke.

      Pietie - 2012-05-11 14:18

      @Charles Dumbnut Why don't they develop at Vodacom Cup level!?

      Ruan - 2012-05-11 15:56

      Im with you charles!!! all the way!!!!!!!

      Ruan - 2012-05-11 16:04

      Also you cant develope if there is no money!!! so this causes money to come into the province!!! Like it or not that is how it works, take school rugby for example, the big schools have the money and players to perform, if you were to lets say take a smaller school and give them money to upgrade and buy players, what would the effect be? and it works the same with the kings inclusion, so what if they lose all their games by a 100 points? if you lose by 1 or a 100 its still a loss, and answer me if im wrong, but the lions have had years of prime location and time to do well, but they continue to lose year in and out!! Its only narrow minded arm chair critics that argue against an obvious move, no one even supports the lions yet everyone seems to want to step up and defend them, will any of you miss them? dont be daft!! so as for the Kings im with you all of the way!!!

      BlouTokolos - 2012-05-11 17:00

      Ruanette... Soos die geleerde Doc altyd se..." KLIM OP DIE MOFBUS"

      Chris - 2012-05-12 07:27

      All will be ok, have foreign coaches

      boltonbarry - 2012-05-12 13:16

      Charles you really are dumb

      boltonbarry - 2012-05-12 13:18

      Ruan if Asscheeky Watson apparently has some major financial backing so based on your theory of moeny the EP Kings should in fact be in much better place than they are

  • johannes.p.bezuidenhout1 - 2012-05-11 13:06

    The Kings playing Super 15 Rugby!!! It will be the disgrace to the tough sport and having Luke Watson as captain must be a terrible mistake.!!! The Kings cannot even win the B-Currie Cup and how do Cheeky Watson and Company think will players feel about the spirit of the players after loosing every game. Pleas don't do it to the players. They are human and not puppets!!!!

  • Rudi - 2012-05-11 13:14

    The walk-over loss of the Lions against the Blues made the solution quite "amicable". The Lions should strengthen the bench of the Bulls next year and the Kings should recruit ALL the South African ex-patriates playing rugby overseas and bring THEM back to SuperRugby.

      bill.vanzyl - 2012-05-11 13:38

      Great idea to recruit the ex-pats, but where will the money come from to pay their salaries?? PE is simply not big enough nor a strong enough economic hub to finance a S15 squad full of mercenary ex-pats.

      Brandewijn - 2012-05-11 13:45

      bill - according to newspaper articles in the eastern cape the Kings are in the process of finalising a contract of over R100mil. So funding will not be a problem. Local businesses have also already joined the kings cause and have sponsored a few mil to get some players. According to the burger newspaper in PE quoting solomons as saying they are in the final stages of negotiations with a few overseas based players to return and join the Kings for this years currie cup campaign in July. So should have some major news on player signings over the next month or 2. so the ex-pats idea is already in motion.

      Brandewijn - 2012-05-11 13:53

      Also a company does not have to be based in PE to sponsor a team in PE. It about exposure and currently the Kings are the most talked about team (good or bad) and with TV exposure coming next year (I guarantee the Kings first game will be one of the most watched games - all the haters will want to watch and see them lose and their supporters will obviously watch to see how they will perform). Will be interesting to see how everything unfolds

      Anton - 2012-05-11 13:54

      Quite a few Lions might be spotted over the next few months in PE!!

      Pietie - 2012-05-11 14:21

      @bill.vanzyl The money will come from the ANC government! No joke, it's the truth.

      Koos - 2012-05-11 14:24

      Must be black expats as us whiteys are used to working for what we want.

      Brandewijn - 2012-05-11 14:27

      Pietie - if you read my comment earlier government money will not be needed. The Municipality was going to sponsor R10mil as an investment to try and fill the stadium. This sponsor was withdrawn as they feel the money is better spent on our roads. So no government money being used. T

      Pietie - 2012-05-11 14:34

      @Brandewijn I hear what you're saying, but I can guarantee you that the ANC will push money into the KIngs. This is primarily because of Cheeky Watson's connections with the government! He played with the black players in the old regime(can't remember the name of that team).

      Brandewijn - 2012-05-11 14:45

      pietie - I doubt whether they will actually push money into the kings, however they might use their influence in obtaining sponsors... (but that would obviously purely be speculation)

      Deon - 2012-05-11 15:01

      hey rudi, Impot all the expats GREAT development for the area, great development

      BlouTokolos - 2012-05-11 17:09

      I agree Deon... Every single comment you read from a Queens supporter is about development of rugby in their region. I will eat my old shoes if 20% of the Kings next year were actually FROM the region. AND... How much of the so called 100 Mil sponsorship will actually be ploughed into rugby and how much will line the pockets of certain "administrators". I smell a rat here and maybe in a year or two someone will blow a whistle somewhere on a few of these "administrators". Watch this space!!!

  • Thabiso - 2012-05-11 13:23

    is it really such a big deal if 1 team gets relegated from super rugby, every league in da world have teams who \lose\ relegated. Its not like da kings taking space 4 da Bulls. How can a team lose every match in da season and still be around da following year in da best rugby competition in world. Its stupid

      Gert - 2012-05-11 13:40

      Thabiso, you seem to miss the point. The only reason that the Kings will play next season is because it is politically motivated. The "white captain" of this team is the same idiot who said he would like to vomit on a Springbok jearsy! His Father, Cheecky Watson, an outspoken ANC member who recently got an award from the ANC for his "contribution" during Apartheid, is the main peanut of the franchise. They might as well play in ANC colours next year and be sponsered by e-toll money. The difference elsewhere in the world is that other Countries don't blame the past for everything. The Kings should be called the Freedom Fighters or the Struglers.

      Thabiso - 2012-05-11 13:45

      no im nt, it doesn't matter how they got in. But is it fair, for da lions 2 lose so badly and keep their spot?

      Anton - 2012-05-11 13:57

      I agree Thabiso. The best option for Superrugby would be if Aus drop a team and SA get a 6th team. However, given the Lions track record since they joined Superrugby, they don't deserve to be here any longer. Sorry boys...

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-05-11 14:02

      ken, then they should stick to a tournament where they can at least compete. Super Rugby is too much of a step up for the lions.

      Morne - 2012-05-11 14:18

      Perhaps you have a point but lets not forget who was the first team to win the super rugby comp from SA it was the Lions but Puke Watson as the captain and 2 NZ Coaches so much for the black team

      Pietie - 2012-05-11 14:24

      @Charles Dumbnut By your reasoning, if the Kings can't even make the Vodacom Cup semis and the Lions are Currie Cup champions, wouldn't you say that Super Rugby might be a bridge too far for the Kings as well!?

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-05-11 14:44

      what I'm saying is, the lions have had their chance, and go nowhere. so let's develop a new region where there are loads of players. SA can only benefit from another strong region of rugby.

      Thabiso - 2012-05-11 14:47

      all countries should lose a team, the bottom 3 teams should be relegated, if u lose ur out, it will make 4 a better competition! U wanna stay in super rugby play better, otherwise why do they call it SUPER rugby

      Grant - 2012-05-12 08:31

      simple......let the Lions play the Kings...whoever wins goes to S!% next year?!!!..

  • Glenn - 2012-05-11 13:28

    A Political move by government and then they try to sweeten it by saying that the coaches and captain is white. The Kings do not deserve to play super rugby irrelevant of who the coaches or captain is. The Kings suck and dont deserve to play at the highest level

      Thabiso - 2012-05-11 13:48

      even if u say da kings suck, but can you honestly say lions deserve a super rugby place?

      Gert - 2012-05-11 13:54

      Yes the Lions at least won the Currie Cup. You don't replace the slowest horse in the Durban July with a Donkey. Doesn't make sense, but with the ANC common sense is not common.

      Pierre - 2012-05-11 14:03

      Too many years of bad management, and honestly, they are a disgrace. The Lions are regarded as a big union because of the size of Ellis Park, not the way they play rugby. The Lions are out, give the kings a go. No use fighting it.

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-05-11 14:03

      Guys, this is about giving a region, with loads of elligible players and rich in rugby history, a chance to grow and develop into the rugby giant they could be. They just need time, money, exposure and experience with the world's best. South Africa will benefit greatly from a developed Eastern Cape rugby setup. Mark my words!

      Koos - 2012-05-11 14:27

      Why buy expats and lions players if you want to grow the region? Something wrong with that logic.

      David - 2012-05-12 00:36

      @charles : no they wont,theyll be destroyed,theyre players will be demoralised,theyre sponsors will hit the road and they wont be able to sign new players,they have to go through the ranks,you cant skip currie cup and go to super rugby, they will be devastated,mark my words!

      David - 2012-05-12 00:46

      @charles : no they wont,theyll be destroyed,theyre players will be demoralised,theyre sponsors will hit the road and they wont be able to sign new players,they have to go through the ranks,you cant skip currie cup and go to super rugby, they will be devastated,mark my words!

  • bill.vanzyl - 2012-05-11 13:36

    The only certainty with the Kings is that they are walking bonus points for the rest of the teams in the S15 - instead of 4 for a Bye teams will get 5, an extra one for scoring more than 4 tries. There simply is no logic in including a team that struggles in the lower leagues of SA rugby and then have to face the wrath of S15. SA rugby struggles to include a 5th team already, the Currie Cup winners of last year are the wooden spoonists of S15, how can a team that cannot win the B div of the Currie Cup do better?? The mind boggles.

      Anton - 2012-05-11 13:57

      As is the Lions and Rebels at the moment and the Force a few seasons ago Bill.

  • Anton - 2012-05-11 13:53

    Goodbye Lions. Sorry Boys, but there will never be a Cats franchise ever again and the weakest must be fed to the ...uh...Kings...

  • Travis - 2012-05-11 14:01

    Thabiso you are an idiot, Lions re Currie Cup champs, they just having a off season, when the Kings win the currie cup then they can play Super Rugby, till then F$%^ off.

      Koos - 2012-05-11 14:29

      The queens can play when they manage to end 5 th in the currie cup.

      Thabiso - 2012-05-11 14:42

      lol, an off season? Lmfao. Wat abt da seasons be4 dat?

      charlesaduplessis - 2012-05-12 11:00

      hahaha they are only currie cup champs because of the lack of bok players in the other teams during the currie cup campaign..

  • Morne - 2012-05-11 14:22

    @Dumbwin they have not even played a game of CC rugby what gives you the idea that they will be so good, if I remember right the same Lions side you are talking about beat this Spear side with more that 80 point pre-season can you imagine what chose players are going to feel like if they loose 100 zip every game what good do you think that will do, but there must always be a Dumbwin so be him

  • Steven - 2012-05-11 14:27

    Cmon guys the lions won the currie cup and are batteling to win a game or two in the Super 15 which shows us how tough the competition is , if the kings were a force in the currie cup and top 4 finishes i would say give them a chance but they cant even win the vodacom cup. There are better club rugby side than the kings. It will be more of an embarresment for Sa Rugby than anything else. We should let the lions play the kings and that will just show us all who should be in the super 15 .

      kistain - 2012-05-11 14:53

      kenny- guys how many of the Lions players was in the springbok squad for the World Cup,not many if any,so actually the Lions competed against Vodacom Cup material players througout the Currie Cup with most of the big unions depleted due to players in the springbok squad.

      Wanderering - 2012-05-11 18:10

      Kistain, you are a totally ignorant koos, the springbok squad comprises 35 players devide that into 14 sides and you get the numbers of players out in the world cup. As you see the Lions are really hit with injury problems 14 of the starting line up are out, so this makes it the same senario. Why not just say this is a watered down Super comp, this is what your logic tells me. Now I am really peeded off with the result of the blues game, but do you blame the players for being negative. My point is if the Kings are going to be so good for SA Rugby then how can it help by killing off another union?

  • Pietie - 2012-05-11 14:28

    The only log points the Kings will receive next year, will be 8 points from the 2 byes! Prepare for records to be shattered!

  • Stephan - 2012-05-11 14:32

    How do you want to add a TEAM like the Southern Kings in the Super 15 if they can't even reach the semi finals of the Vodacom Cup? Not even to mention that they can't even beat some of the Vodacom Cup Teams who's unions take part in the Super 15. i.e. The Sharks, WP etc. SARU is making a massive mistake due to politics being involved. Sport is Sport for a reason so keep the politics in politics!!!!

  • Mandy - 2012-05-11 14:48

    Ask Luke's daddy, he has all the answers

  • Yannick - 2012-05-11 14:49

    oh well guys its not like the lions are doing us any favours by losing week in and week out....if the lions can do it why not the Kings .....The lions have been feeding off the wooden spoon for atleast seven seasons now. The lions have Monument the kings have Grey PE so whats the Issue?

  • Andrew - 2012-05-11 14:53

    Once again those Watson clowns behind this debarcle. I hope they get absolutely massacred and no one attends their games and the advertisers withdraw to teach this stupid government that politics and sport do not mix. Just typical. The Kings can hardly win a Vodacom cup game let alone super 15. A bloody joke.

  • Thabiso - 2012-05-11 14:56

    why do the kings have 2 be known as a black team, cant we once in SA have a discussion where race is not thrown around. Their a team dat represents da Eastern Cape. Im black and i dont consider da kings a team dat represents me. i just wanna watch a better SUPER RUGBY tournament.

      Koos - 2012-05-11 15:05

      And the queens are going to make it better?

      Wanderering - 2012-05-11 18:13

      Thabiso because that is how the concept was sold to SARU and the Goverment. In any case I stick to my guns the NZ teams have more local support in the EC than any local team will have.

  • Jody - 2012-05-11 15:18

    Lions as bad as they are won opening super10 , currie cup etc. Eastern Cape is only good for holidays. Whats this rightfull crap, only a idiot can come up with this. Mdudli has right of way to be Police Commissioner although he has dodgy past and we must ignore someone such as general Petros from Gauteng who is quilified for the job...........key word .....Qualified.....not a right. Same with Watsons gang,enough free rides. Hope he has burned his Bok blazer.

  • Gatoe - 2012-05-11 17:21

    I am lions supporter but they don`t deserve to be here but let the top 5 teams in the currie cup go to super rugby franchise at least they hace earned it to play super rugby

  • fishbhamjee - 2012-05-11 17:35

    I have said it before and I will say it again today,the anc made a biggest mistake by not disbanding all the sporting codes in south africa.they should have made all the sporting codes in south africa to represent the demographics of the country,to hell with those people who think they own certain sporting codes as theirs,this statement meant for blacks and whites who thinks they owned certain sporting codes like rugby and soccer in S.A.

      Wanderering - 2012-05-11 18:16

      Het jytjy nie fish om skoon te maak nie, niemand praat daarvan nie en ook nie kleur nie maar jy wie n regte koos is kom met snert, gaan huis toe mamma wil kinners tel.

  • fishbhamjee - 2012-05-11 17:36

    I have said it before and I will say it again today,the anc made a biggest mistake by not disbanding all the sporting codes in south africa.they should have made all the sporting codes in south africa to represent the demographics of the country,to hell with those people who think they own certain sporting codes as theirs,this statement meant for blacks and whites who thinks they owned certain sporting codes like rugby and soccer in S.A.

      Wanderering - 2012-05-11 18:46

      kom ons try weer politieke poernjaaps!

  • leon.viljoen1 - 2012-05-11 23:08

    @Ruan Jy kan darem maar n klomp dinges praat as jy lus het.............doesn't mean if you dont support the LIONS no one does.............pik by mnr as jy wakker skrik is jou koffie koud hoor...............jy het iets genoem van jare se rugby by ons unie, dis 100% reg jou swaap dis wat my so naar maak die kleurvolle history van my rugby unie gaan nou net so in die modder gegooi word om plek te maak vir n span wat glad nie better as ons kan perform nie.....................soos ek gese het pik net by jou D@@S!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      ljmostert - 2012-05-12 07:50

      Mag ons in die Ooskaap Superrugby hê?s As al die ander streke Superrugyspanne het, hoekom mag ons nie een hë nie - vergeet hoe goed of hoe sweak die EP Kings is. Ons het ook betaal TV. Is dit so moelik om te verstaan? Hoekom moet Gauteng 2 Superrugbyspanne hë???????

  • roblesch - 2012-05-12 09:45

    The jokers cant even win the vodacom cup. This is rugby not politics. SA rugby is becoming a joke

  • Bootman - 2012-05-12 10:19

    All these comments only goes to confirm that politics, in fact, do have a place in sport. Thank you ANC. Thank you SARU and thank you Mssrs Watson. Do what you must to give the kings a place in Super Rugby. They deserve it. After all the years of democracy, black people are still being opressed. Stop this injustice now.

  • wesley.g.mercer - 2012-05-12 12:11

    Kings cant even beat our Vodacom Cup sides they are gonna get hammered in Super Rugby

  • Leonard - 2012-05-12 14:12

    Another thing that people may be missing. What happens if there are a few Quality players in the Queens team but they just aren't ready yet. They get rushed into the S15 and get seriously injured or worse.Will SARU take resposibility then. Anyone who has played rugby knows there is a difference between being fit and being "Super-rugby " fit ( all the knocks and bruises accompanying it . )

  • carl.b.schmidt1 - 2012-05-12 15:24

    if the kings replace a team like, lets say, the lions (probably), then those top players frome the lions will find a way to move to other provinces, probably not the kings, then we will be in a situation, where the kings are getting thrashed every week, end the lions will never get back into super rugby, death to the kings, no kings no kings la la la lalala!

  • Hugo Klaasen - 2012-05-17 07:22

    Our government and "some" people think to have a team, a stadium and a coach makes you a team worthy of competing at the highest level. Look at our S.A soccer team...the government isnt too concerned that they dont win games, as long as they are allowed to play and someone in government can

      Hugo Klaasen - 2012-05-17 07:27

      ...continued.... Can justify his position in parliament...and get a fat pay cheque coz he was the pioneer in the development.... Here's an idea, why dont teams like SWD, Griffons, Pumas enter into a super 9 series against teams like Namibia, Fiji, Zimbabwe, Iraq, pakistan etc and leave the real rugby to the big boys?

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