Roux: A number of S15 options

2012-05-21 18:49

Johannesburg - The South African Rugby Union (SARU) and its Super Rugby teams have agreed on "a number of options" to solve the dilemma of having six sides fighting for five places in next year's competition.

SARU said that after a "positive meeting" here on Monday - the second meeting with its franchises in four days - the possible solutions will now be considered by its executive committee.

A final decision on how South Africa structures its Super Rugby teams from next season will be made by SARU's General Council in July, the national body said. SARU didn't reveal what the options were.

SARU is scrambling to avoid having to sacrifice one of its current Super Rugby outfits after it promised the new Southern Kings a place in 2013, only for organiser SANZAR to refuse to expand the tournament.

Options available to SARU are to relegate the lowest-placed South African team, currently the Johannesburg-based Lions, or get two teams to merge, with the Kings guaranteed their place next year.

“It was a very positive meeting and we now have a number of options for participation on which the franchises are agreed. Those options will go to the Exco for consideration and ultimately to the General Council for a decision," said SARU CEO Jurie Roux.

The Lions and the Cheetahs, who are from the central city of Bloemfontein, are the likeliest candidates for a merger. The two joined up before when they competed as the Cats in Super Rugby between 1998 and 2006.

SARU's General Council will make its decision with a vote. The General Council is made up of two representatives from each of South Africa's 14 rugby provinces - each of whom has one vote.

The meeting chairman, SARU's president or deputy president, also has a vote. A majority is required to pass decisions.

The next meeting of the SARU General Council is scheduled to take place on 13 July.


  • Anneck - 2012-05-21 19:03

    Only one solution: tell the politicians to stick their team where it belongs - bottom of the Vodacom Cup heap and make them EARN their place!

      Squeegee - 2012-05-21 19:09

      Watch them squirm! Politics and sport don't mix well.

      Sean - 2012-05-21 20:00

      Kings will get f@cked every single game !!

      phillip.beukes.5 - 2012-05-21 20:17

      As if the Lions are doing better Sean

      Ruan - 2012-05-21 20:26

      Phillip i agree with you fully!!! The lions have been shocking for 7years now!! And what boneheads dont understand is that regardless if you lose by 10 or 50 points, its still a loss. Give EP 2years and they will have a better team than the lions have. Money drives rugby, and the lack of it forms a hole that smaller unions cannot get out without assistance, so give EP the chance, what is there to lose?

      Sean - 2012-05-21 20:41

      @phillip , I know the Lions are not good , but why put in a worse team , just doesn`t make sense ??

      Thomas - 2012-05-21 20:41

      WHAT AN INSULTING WAY TO PUT IT!!!! In a previous article SARU said the top four teams in the SA conference will join the Kings in 2013 Super Rugby!!! THOSE TOP four teams boast 3 Super trophies (BULLS) ALL are Currie Cup WINNERS, TWO are SEMI and FINALISTS SUPER RUGBY, (SHARKS& STORMERS) PLUS the BOTTOM team the lions were S10 Champions and current Currie Cup champs, who beat this SORRY Kings outfit by 80 pionts!!!!!!!!! This Kings side to date hasn't got a Super team on paper or on the field, so WHO the HELL are our TOP FIVE supposed to JOIN!!!!

      Sean - 2012-05-21 22:17

      Why can`t the bottom team play against the Kings to see who qualifies , home and away game ??

      Anneck - 2012-05-21 22:31

      Politicians would never allow that, Sean. Even they know which team would lose.

      hvanderlinde - 2012-05-22 08:20

      Phillip, the Lions won the Currie Cup, the Kings haven't even been able to get promoted to the Currie Cup! haha, so ja, they are doing better, much better

      Jacques - 2012-05-22 09:06

      Ruan it is not needed for you to call them Bone heads. What is the purpose of that or do you have some issue with a certain portion of the population who by the way dont make up the whole team. Issue here is that Saru made promises before they received commitments. I am a Lion supporter and will be the first to admit that it has become a joke to watch them loose year after year. The EP kings however is not the sollutionn at this point as it stands. Yes they are a province kept out of this competition but so is many other provinces. Join the Lions and the Cheetahs but also buldose Elis PArk as it is commercialy unviable sitting in the middle of Lagos. Rather use smaller stadiums such as the NZ do. Much more profitable filling 10 000 people into a 20 000 capacity stadium vs a 85 000 capacity stadium. Please Ruan your Bonehead comments is not needed....then again i am sure you wont say that to their faces sitting like a coward behind your pc throwing insults...Typical from your kind as proven over centuries

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  • Andrew - 2012-05-21 19:11

    This is absolute BS… The Free State has been the breeding ground for the top rugby players for over a century now, and is fast becoming one of the top franchises’ in super rugby. Now they want to merge it with a once proud but now mismanaged and disorientated Lions side. WTF!!! SARU this would never work… Choose between the Lions & your newly found Southern Springs. The cheetahs must remain a franchise on its own, otherwise we will only have 3 teams competing in super rugby….

      Nick - 2012-05-22 09:25

      Thank-You Drewka - EXACTLY!! F#ck SARU and their plans to amalgamate the Cheetahs with the Lions!! If the Kings were promised inclusion - they were not told "how" - right - I have the SOLUTION: Make the Lions and Kings merge as one. The Kings still get to play S15 - just not as a single franchise - but in union with the Lions. Flying between Jozi and Bloemfontein, or Jozi and PE - no difference - but for 30 mins flying time - SO LET THE PLAYERS SHUFFLE BETWEEN JOZI AND PE - NOT TO BLOEM!! WTF should a team as strong as Free State, with Grey Bloem and FS being the nursery of SA rugby - WTF should they be forced to merge - thus allowing the useless, USELESS, USELESS Kings to play as an individual franchise!!!????????????

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-05-22 10:17

      @ Drewka, do all players playing for Grey College come from the Free State?

  • Andrew - 2012-05-21 19:48

    Let the Kings play the lowest SA franchise and the winner goes through. That is the fairest way. But with SA and politics it won't happen.

      Anneck - 2012-05-21 19:52

      Andrew, it would become a little bit boring for the Kings to keep getting beaten by the Lions everytime, or any other lowest SA franchise.

      Staal - 2012-05-21 20:30

      I wish people would stop this ridiculous "relegation match" idiocy. EP has no Super15 quality players because it has no Super15 income. Thus they cannot contract anyone of note. If they have Super15 income they would have a better team and their young players would not leave at a early age. Would they be competitive if the Super15? Certainly not BUT relegation matches are a retarded and ignorant idea. Which doesn't say much for the media because every month some idiot has an article on it.

      Ruan - 2012-05-21 20:33

      It wouldnt be fair, the lions have the financial advantage, do your promo/relagation game and the end on year two after the kings have players, and then it will be fair.

      Staalburger - 2012-05-22 08:01

      To all those against promotion/relegation, and it being not fair etc etc: It is the lesser of two evils. Your argument about how other unions had time to gather wealth with their S15 status just doesn't fly. Those unions did the best BEFORE super rugby, for a reason, they had the best players and systems. With your argument about the Kings, I would like to hear why a side like the Pumas, who doesn't have S15 status, but fared much better the last 10 years were not offered this opportunity. Polotics. Full stop. There was a time when EP did well, but most of us are to young to remember. They started going downhill long before the sport became professional. Futher, no union lose more players than the Cheetahs, the poorest of the S15 unions, but they have never tahen the wooden spoon. Something the Bulls can't say.

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-05-22 10:19

      @ Staal, agree with you 100%, the people who have given you a thumbs down are obviously clueless. Sure the same people will give me the same thumbs down ;-)

  • Anneck - 2012-05-21 19:54

    As I have suggested: Lions, Bulls, Cheetahs, Sharks, Stormers and Kings compete for the Currie Cup. Franchise that comes last misses out on Super Rugby the following year. It's that simple! Also puts some much needed integrity back into the Currie Cup competition as well.

  • Nico - 2012-05-21 20:13

    No merger please, rather get the promotion / relegation in place. It will be ok for my Lions to sit out for a year or two, Kings can then take away all our records and the Lions will then be back in super rugby with a clean slate. With promotion / relegation in place, Kings will play super rugby for however long it takes for the first relegation match, them more deserving teams like the griquas and pumas can start pushing for super rugby honors.

  • phillip.beukes.5 - 2012-05-21 20:21

    Why dont they fire the bafoon that made this brain-dead decision in the first place....

      Staal - 2012-05-21 21:27

      You are not allowed to fire political-placements.

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-05-22 10:43

      SARU went running to the government and I am sure you know how things work these days You scratch my back I scratch yours

  • Gerhard Freyer - 2012-05-21 20:23

    The Kings will be a disgrace to S15, relegation match first!

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-05-22 10:41

      How can they play a relegation match? How stupid are all of you who think that is possible?

  • gregg.murray1 - 2012-05-21 20:38

    I think Bulls and Lions will form a new team, bulls in control but the super 15 purse will be split between 6 so Blue bulls will be compensated and Lions will not lose players, sorry for any team thinking of winning vodacom cup again. This is possibly the only logical solution, but I suppose the Kings are really going to battle if this happens.

  • marius.vdwesthuizen - 2012-05-21 20:49

    The worst possible outcome will be to merge the Lions and the Cheetahs. A few years ago the ARU cleaned out the Red's board after several non-performing seasons. The Reds are now the S15 champions!!! Com'on SARU, be brave and clean out a few administrators at the Lions. It's not their coach or their players' fault that the Lions have now become a national embarrassment. Leave the Cheetahs alone! They are actually making us proud!

      Nick - 2012-05-22 10:19

      Well said Marius! :) Hands off SA's rugby nursery - the Free State (home of Grey Bloem)! :)

  • Kevin - 2012-05-21 21:30

    Making the 5 Nations into 6 by including Italy expanded the game in Europe even although they got beaten heavily and had to import players. Adding the Force to Super Rugby expanded the game in Australia even although they initially got heavily beaten and also had to import players... But then welcome to South Africa where all your players have to come from the Vodacom Cup team and you have to be able to compete with the best from day one, even although the team you are replacing has not been able to do that for the last decade despite being gifted opportunities year after year.

      phillip.beukes.5 - 2012-05-21 21:58 is a good thing to expand, but then certain factors need to be looked at first. You cannot promise an expansion of the super 15, without talking to your partners. You cannot promise stuff that you know you will not be able to deliver....and the result of your decision, actually place you in a weaker position that you were before you made said decision. It will take the kings a few seasons to build a team, a franchise and a good supporter base. All things that is good, but in this instance, will we be able to carry the real cost of a brain-dead desicion...i really dont think so.

  • Paul - 2012-05-21 22:20

    EP Kings dont belong in Super Rugby let them play Varsity cup, TUKS, UCT and Maties will beat them!

      shaun.mcneilage - 2012-05-21 23:12

      and the useless lions can join them

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-05-22 10:39

      PE Uni team beat UCT in the varsity cup a few weeks ago you idiot, EP's the Southern Kings

      Sean - 2012-05-22 13:40

      @Patrick - You are correct, they did beat UCT. This year the UCT side was shocking only beating TUT. They did however get 3 bonus points which is 2 better than the Stormers:-). NMMU did lose very badly to UJ, the side that contributes a lot of players to the Lions Vodacom side.

  • Ruan - 2012-05-21 22:29

    Lions suck aswell and Kings are gonna play. Get over it.

  • Jonathan Groenewald - 2012-05-21 22:42

    I do feel for the lions,but come on. Am I the only one looking at the log?Everyone goes on about how embarrassing the Kings will be. Can it really get much worse than what the Lions are currently putting out. Give the Kings their chance,let the Lions recover and invest in some good players in the meantime. The Kings will finish last and the Lions will get an opportunity to start fresh,but this whole embarrassment thing should stop. A side like the Blues,now that's embarrassing

  • shaun.mcneilage - 2012-05-21 23:28

    SARU buggered up when they allowed the Sharks to split from EP and Border - these 3 teams made up the then Coastal Sharks - Swd should have also stayed with the Stormers....if ever there was a merger to happen a Bulls and Lions combination would be flipping awesome....i reckon they could dominate the Super rugby....anyways SARU need some balls and a backbone....

  • riaan.grobler - 2012-05-22 09:58

    I have nice solution that will help SA rugby reach the top of super 14 and the Lions. Drop a middle table team (aka Sharks or Cheetahs) and ad the Kings to the mix. That way the remaining SA teams will have a guarantee 20 points next season... hahahahaha

      victor.mendes1 - 2012-05-22 13:13

      You already assume Sharks are a middle table team but super 15 not even over? So dropping a strong team in favour of kings for "soft points" is your answer - WOW! You must be a politicion with that logic! PS its actually super 15!

  • patrickjasoncawood - 2012-05-22 10:28

    How are the Lions actually benefiting from playing Super Rugby? They are bankrupt and have been on the bottom of the log for the last few years Their fan base wont get any bigger as nobody supports losers Why not get taken out of Super Rugby and spend the next 2-3 years getting your union in order? Show the rest of the country how good you are by winning the Vodacom Cup and Currie Cup. Develop some youngsters and keep them Super Rugby will be expanded in 2015 and then you can rejoin and start competing without losing each w-end. The Southern Kings would of developed by then and through that SA will have 6 competitive teams

      Sean - 2012-05-22 11:40

      That's a good idea; hang on didn't the lions just win the Currie Cup? Maybe take it one step further, let the Kings win the Currie Cup. Aah they can't do that because they aren't up to competing at that standard. How about the Vodacom Cup? That's also a problem though they did make the quarter finals!!! And the Lions are bankrupt. Their financial backing bailed when they didn't get what they wanted from the partnership. Maybe the Kings should take a leaf from that book when they consider the offers on the table at the moment. The face behind the backing is ominously familiar. Last point, with the spineless administrators looking after our [SA Rugby] interests what guarantee is there that it will be an SA side taking that 16th position in the expanded 2015 format? Maybe NZ will point out how bad our last team (the Kings) are playing and insist that the 16th side goes to them!

      Luke - 2012-05-22 13:04

      Lets see how the Lions do this season with all the Boks playing in the Currie Cup Well done to them last year, cant say I was to dissappointed even being a Sharks Supporter Guma didnt end up staying with the Lions as their administration is a complete mess/joke. Cant say how good it will be at the Kings... Why don't you and others give the Kings a chance, we have no idea what is happening behind the scenes I am bored of watching the Lions lose each week The Southern Kings could be a breath of fresh air once given a chance

  • Jody - 2012-05-23 11:29

    All the Kings supporter morons, surely you cannot be this dumb, therefor your comments must only exist to create some banter.

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