Jean defends Stormers’ style

2012-05-16 15:00

Cape Town – The Stormers are well aware of the “flair” tradition associated with rugby at Newlands and want to restore some sparkle, but retaining a winning habit is more important at present.

That is the view of captain and Springbok centre Jean de Villiers, speaking at a media briefing on Wednesday ahead of Saturday’s Super Rugby encounter with the Waratahs at Newlands (19:10 kickoff).

Probed on that theme by Sport24 in the wake of their ongoing drought in four-try bonus points and a particularly dour last victory over the Cheetahs, De Villiers said: “I think we are pretty aware of that (pedigree) ... we are also conscious of the fact that winning is probably more important than the way that you play.

“I take the Bulls as an example: where they were in the late 1990s and early 2000s. They then won the Currie Cup in 2002 (after a lean period) and I don’t know if you guys can remember how they won it: no-one backed them and they had Derick Hougaard at No 10 and won, away from home, a semi and a final.

“I’m not saying we’re going to revert back to that but, you know, winning is important and I think from a fans and media point of view you’ll always be able to find a negative ... it’s easy to be a critic.

“So to say at this stage that a negative is us not scoring tries but winning, then I think we’re in a good position. A couple of years earlier we would have given anything just to get (several) wins on the trot.

“We’re happy where we are, while knowing we’re not the finished product. As you could see at training, we’re working really hard to put the complete game together – but you need the conditions to be right for that and for the opposition to ‘allow’ it, in a way.

“We are conscious of it ... and we know what the public want, and what we want to achieve.”

De Villiers agreed that a night kickoff against the Waratahs, at a late autumnal time in the Cape where there has been much dew around, was not ideal.

“Exactly – that’s the reality of it. You can plan as much as you want to throw the ball around. I think you’ll all agree that the Cheetahs are quite an expansive team and I didn’t see them throwing it around a lot last Saturday night (in the same kickoff slot).

“So you have to take everything into consideration when you comment on things like that; about scoring tries. And you have to be clever in what you do. It’s not ideal ... probably the ball will be wet, and not ideal conditions again.

“Hopefully the Newlands faithful can stay faithful, stand with us, and hopefully we can give them another win, while upping our performance. As we said last Saturday, we weren’t happy with that performance.”

Coach Allister Coetzee added: “The sad news is that there is a front on its way and it will be raining. So we’re aware of that.”

He also said he felt the Waratahs had the “best scrumming pack in the competition”, an effective lineout, and were confident in their own ability to score tries from set-piece play.

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  • Lionel - 2012-05-16 15:09

    Keep on winning,thats all we ask...maybe a bonus point win here and there will also help!!!!!!!!

  • Dirk - 2012-05-16 15:09

    Well said de Villiers. I'm a fan not a critic, we are behind you 100% of the way. Lead on Stormers, do that voodoo that you do so well! We sure got one hell of a Captain!

      Dirk - 2012-05-16 15:10

      Awesome Captain!

      Lionel - 2012-05-16 15:13

      de Villiers for Bok Captain

      Dirk - 2012-05-16 15:15

      So 'n bek kort brandewyn... lol

      Lionel - 2012-05-16 15:17


      Jonathan - 2012-05-16 15:32

      The BEST

      Saffa - 2012-05-16 15:42

      One thing about Jean: his appraisals are honest. No excuses, no diversions, no frills. He says it like it is - and fortunately he is most certainly aware that 90% of the criticism is coming from segments who have no vested interest in the Stormers season in any event....... The biggest concern in the next few weeks, is the mental toll, more than the physical one IMHO. The fortunate thing for us though, is having so many 20/21 year olds in the forwards is that it takes these kids a lot longer for the mental (and physical) fatigue to set in. 90% of our success (defence of course) can be attributed to attitude....and the kids have it in bucketloads. Siya to me sometimes looks a little 'tired' in the middle of a game, but then BAM, within minutes you can almost SEE him re-psyching himself and then off he goes again......Personally I think we will see a far better performance this weekend - rain or no rain.

      Dirk - 2012-05-16 15:50

      Saffa you're one intelligent cat... I like it sweet and short, but hey, your comment wins the day! 1 million thumbs up!

  • Acta - 2012-05-16 15:17

    Well said Jean, we will always be behind you, we would like some more tries but the bigger picture is winning. Then AC said, it is sad news that it might rain?? Thankfully your'e not a meteorologist, you would have been so depressed! Rugby is a winter sport?!

  • Raymond - 2012-05-16 15:17

    I ask only that you guys don't do that third quarter sleepy time stint again. I am convinced that that is what costs you 4x tries. The last game a case in hand.

      Lionel - 2012-05-16 15:20

      Thats what also causes me almost to have a heartache:):)

      Raymond - 2012-05-16 15:50

      What wanker downed this comment? We all agree that the Stormers have a habit of taking the foot off the pedal in the third quarter. In the Cheetahs game, one commentator even referred to the syndrome and the "third quarter walk-about". We get ahead and then relax to the pont that we have to ferociously defend our lead. I have special third quarter heart pills I take for Stormers games!

      Lionel - 2012-05-16 15:57

      Probably a spy from up North":):)This thing of relaxing comes from way back and then we sort of wake up in the final 10 min.Clicks pharmacy already knows when I near the counter what I am looking for:):)

  • hlongfamily - 2012-05-16 15:18

    Everyone in the team is tries, but no one is scoring any tries

  • hlongfamily - 2012-05-16 15:19

    Everyone in the team" tries"to play positively, but no one is scoring" tries"

      Raymond - 2012-05-16 16:08

      That's better.

  • Pierre - 2012-05-16 15:21

    I agree wins are important, but personally I feel we can start take a few risks.. We were in front 16 - 0 after 20 minutes and still went for poles, instead of kicking for line and going for the try.. Since Fleck has been involved with the Stormers back line, they seem to have lost all attacking ability.. Maybe it is time to get a new back line coach. Go stormers

      Pierre - 2012-05-16 15:32

      @Trurio, I really hope they can pull themselves right on Saturday.. If Fleck is heloing with defence, then Nienaber, who is the defensive coach isn't doing his job, and I doubt if that is the case.. All I want is one decent backline set move!!!

  • pieter.thefuture - 2012-05-16 15:27

    I would love to get 4 try bonus points, but I love winning more. Will I be happier if we get 4 tries and we lose? not a chance, win at all cosat Stormers, ignore the critics, they are not on the filed with you, they are not taking the tackles with you. The best way to rub their faces in it is to keep winning. You guys make me proud to be a Stormers supporter.

      Saffa - 2012-05-16 15:33

      100000000000000000 thumbs up @Pieter!

      Lionel - 2012-05-16 15:39

      What a pleasure to comment when there are no Bull supporters around hehehehe

      Pierre - 2012-05-16 15:41

      Not real difficult to make you proud eh? Guess your team hasnt won three super trophies yet.

      John - 2012-05-16 15:43

      Winning is what it is all about. Nowhere anywhere in the world or in any other sport are bonus points allocated to a losing side or a winning side for that matter. Take football, for example, does anyone really think sides will score more goals if they got bonus points? Have you ever heard of a contest where you get a bonus point for losing??? Rugby administrators are so obsessed with getting people to buy into rugby they have screwed the game up. Would we stop supporting the Boks if they beat NZ 9-6??

      Saffa - 2012-05-16 15:52

      @Pierre, Pierre, Pierre....unlike those with little else going for them, we don't measure our personal self worth by how many trophies a rugby team wins. Of course we are proud of our team, whether they win everything, or win nothing (It's called being a SUPPORTER.......). Folk that are only proud of/and only support a team that wins are called fans...(or men with tiny wangers....) - In fact, you were probably a Man U fan until Sunday.....and you are now a Man City fan...

      Pierre - 2012-05-16 15:58

      Saffa, honey, not really a soccer fan. Was wondering, you being so aggressive and all over the last few days, is it because you, unlike your fellow supporters, can see that it will yet again be another super season without a trophy? Honestly, what will it mean when you will at most win one of your next three matches?

      Raymond - 2012-05-16 15:58

      @John. I "sort of" agree with you. It does make things exiting though when the final whistle blows and a side is has to chase the losing bonus point. I think the real problem is that there are too many penalty points opportunities. In particular where a scrum has collapsed in a kickable area. As it is the whole interpretation of the reason for the scrum collapsing is questionable, not even commentating props can agree. Penalty awarding, for points, should be reduced to an absolute minimum. All other penalties can retain the same advantages, but not allow for kicking points.

      Lionel - 2012-05-16 16:01

      @Saffa,I really wonder how many of these so called Bulls supporters can say that they stood/supportered there team when they played 11,lost 11????

      Tokolos - 2012-05-16 16:07

      Lionel... Tokolos is here! Tokolos is just VERY scared of Saffa Cat today... hehehehehe!

      Lionel - 2012-05-16 16:12

      Tokkie,we all know deep down you support the Stormers.

      Dirk - 2012-05-16 16:12

      What is a wanger? Is this some type of car they drive there in PTA? Jeep Wanger?

      Acta - 2012-05-16 16:14

      @Pieter, Top man!, couldn't of said it any better.

      Saffa - 2012-05-16 16:34

      Pierre old sport.....I am simply (as I have stated a few times here today) returning serve. See how much FUN it is when you Blue chaps get what you want....well for me at least.

      Tokolos - 2012-05-16 16:37

      Lionel... Please don't got here... You know where Tokolos' loyalty lies. Saying that... I hope that they can achieve a good balance between their defensive and their attacking game. I would love to see them in the playoffs. They deserve to be there. I can promise you that 90% of the anti-Stormer comments on these blogs is because of almost a 100 years of rugby rivalry between Bulls and Stormers. I think most of it is tongue in the check... some people get a bit carried away though and then it comes from both sides. Anyway... All the best to you guys for the rest of the season.

      Lionel - 2012-05-16 16:46

      Tokkie,you bring a tear to my eyes again:):) All the best to you as well:):)

      Dirk - 2012-05-16 16:54

      ou Tok is eintlik 'n goeie ou! 4/4 vir die Bulle se toer. Maar die 2de Junie...

      Saffa - 2012-05-16 17:03

      Nog 'n 50 randjie vir jou Tokkie ..... :)

      David - 2012-05-17 08:38

      Uhm you are winning but you are not top of the table,even if you are the only team that has just lost one game,you know why? Bonus points...but yeah keep winning with four points,makes the job easier for the bulls!!!!

      BlousteBlou - 2012-05-17 11:37

      Lionel, we are here. The difference is that most of us are not guilty of the same things some southern people are guilty of - i.e. this Trurio character (plus a few others) - have you read his remarks on the articles on the Bulls? Show the Warathas Stormers!

      Franklyn - 2012-05-18 14:28

      Elstadt,Etzebeth,Kitshoff....WoW,are these guys making a name for themselves ! unfortunetly and amazingly our strength is now in our forwards,alongside Kolisi,Liebenburg,Bekker,Harris and injured Carr,Burger,Vermeulen....wth ? The Stormers have a seriously solid pack ! Jean Div is a solid if unexeptional player these days....come back Jaque Fourie,you were the cherry on our cake !

  • legndkilla - 2012-05-16 15:39

    and that is why this man has to be the next springbok captain, no hiding behind excuses he says it as it is and still manages to turn a negative into sumtin positive!!!go jean!!!stomers make us proud cape town is behind u all the way!!!

  • Jacobus - 2012-05-16 16:00

    go stormers, julle kan die een wennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn, stormersssssssssssssssss!

      hannes.handogg - 2012-05-16 16:03

      Jacobus, jy het "gaan" verkeerd gespel. :)

      Lionel - 2012-05-16 16:05

      LMGA@Hannes,jys nogal skerp ou maat.

      Acta - 2012-05-16 16:15

      @Hannes, I like, goeie een

  • moose.morris - 2012-05-16 16:07

    The problem with you Stormers guys is that you only have 1 bnus point. That sucks. Downwards all the way from here. I have pink balls.

      legndkilla - 2012-05-16 16:12

      @mooe.morris, mayb u should stop wankin?then u wont have pink balls...

      Therealmakoy - 2012-05-16 16:13

      LOL we know moosie , it`s because they haven`t dropped yet...

      Lionel - 2012-05-16 16:13

      Soft ones probably to!!!!!!

      Dirk - 2012-05-16 16:13

      You need to get out more, Morris.

      Johan - 2012-05-16 16:23

      @ Moose - We will rather have the one bonus point than 5 or more like some of the teams for loosing with a margin of less than 7. The 1 Bonus point is in any case 1 more than the real balls you have! Go comment some where els - I am sure hannon will like the colour of your balls!

      Raymond - 2012-05-16 16:37

      Those are not balls, they are marshmellows. And NO, i don't want to eat them poefde.

      Anton - 2012-05-16 16:39

      Ou Waghond waaroor so agro

      Anton - 2012-05-16 16:42

      @ Trurio 46 + 5 = 51

      Anton - 2012-05-16 16:44

      @waghond so jy weet waarvan Hannon hou laat mens nogal dink

      Johan - 2012-05-16 17:00

      @ Anton - Jan nee waghonf doen darem ook sy deel en kyk so saam met vroulief na Glam Guru ...So ek sal darem nie te veel daarin lees nie...

      Dirk - 2012-05-16 17:02

      wel vokkit Anton, laat 'n mens nogal dink dat jy nogal dink waarvan Hannon hou. ;-)

      stormers.fanbasefull - 2012-05-16 17:27

      Whoohoo Moosie, there you go boy, out of the closet, straight into the Bulls team! Rather get your wife to comment, we all know in Bulls-vlei they wear the pants and have the real balls anyway.

  • Herman - 2012-05-16 17:06

    Stormers suck. Sharks and bulls will clean them out.

      Anton - 2012-05-16 17:26

      en daar kom die persoonlike aanvalle alweer Siestog

      Prudence - 2012-05-17 11:03

      OH P-L-E-A-S-E !!!!!!!!!! STORRRMERRSSS!!!!

      naeem.february - 2012-05-17 14:37

      Haha,,the lasT 3 meetings in super rugby we won the sharks,,,including the last currie cup meeting we won haha,,,as for the bulls between stormers and bulls? Wu had the last victory? Haha log says nothing cz the chiefs,,,landerS,stormers all gna beat u,,, o yeS all the super rugby teams that playes the blues this season won them( including the stormers) haha only u guys and the lionS lost to them? And ur other defeat? O yeS against the stormers almost forgot haha,,, and BTW!!!! The bulls defence suck haha,,,was proven,by warathas,rebels,and brumbies,,,but ay let's talk again after the new zealand leg af the bulls tour:) StormerS Groete!!!!

  • anneline.duplessis1 - 2012-05-16 17:34

    Jean vat hulle aan manne ons staan stewig agter julle. Vasbyt Stormers!

  • Tobias - 2012-05-16 20:00

    Die stormers verdien eerder n applous van hul ondersteuners om ten spyte van kritieke beserings steeds op die wenpad te bly. Jean is meer as n bevoegde en intelegente kaptein wat die jongmanne tot hul eerste super rugby sege kan lei, maar daar moet balans tussen verdediging en aanval gehandhaaf word. Stormers > bulle final

  • WernerZA - 2012-05-17 04:19

    Just Confirms my suspicion that AC and JdV are watching old Heyneke Meyer tapes... Learning from the master himself. Maybe they will evolve like the current Bulls team did to regain their so-called flair? Maybe they need to buy another developed player like Lambie to help them, who knows...

      Johan - 2012-05-17 07:43

      @Werner maybe a good idea to go and watch the "Curriebeker" (early 80's - 5 years or so of Rugby) tapes as well as the ones from Superrugby when the Bulls were lhappy with three log points in a season (about 3 years or) - no doubt in my mind that this will make you understand what they mean when they refer to "flair"....

      WernerZA - 2012-05-17 10:54

      I watched those tapes... Or games... We are just wondering if you can say you have flair if you HAD it 30 years ago... It's like saying I'm a 5 handicapper when I have been shooting 90 for the last 10 years, but 20 years ago I submitted 10 scores of 78... That's all. Not doubting that Carl and the boys were legends...

  • bernard.ingram - 2012-05-17 08:58

    The Stormers has never scored 40 or more tries in a season, while the Bulls have done it 5 times: 2011 (40), 2006 (43), 2007 (47), 2009 (48), 2010 (51) and they are set to hit the 40 tries mark again this season. In 2007, 2009 and 2010 the Bulls also won the tournament. The most tries the Stormers could score in a season was 37 in 2004. The Bulls get an average of 3.4 bonus points for 4 tries or more in a match vs the Stormers 2.9 over the history of Super Rugby. It is clear that the Stormers always had a problem with scoring 4 tries or more, not only this season. For those that argue these bonus point are not required to win a trophy, let you be reminded that the average bonus points for 4 tries in a match for the teams that has won the Super Rugby trophy is 6.4. Only once has there been a side that has won the trophy with 3 bonus points for 4 tries (matching the Stormers average of 3.2), the Crusaders in 1999. (The bonus point earned by the teams that has won the Super Rugby title for losing close games is a mere 0.8 and thus not a factor. ) Bonus points for 4 tries is needed to win the trophy. It will cost the Stormers dearly if they do not do it now!

      Anton - 2012-05-17 09:01

      Wow that for Stats, but obviously the Stormers do not believe this type of info. All that they do is trying to shoot it down Haha

      WernerZA - 2012-05-17 11:02

      Very interesting... Just stats, but from a bulls perspective, very encouraging. They are once again on the right track!

  • jacques.ackermann - 2012-05-17 11:45

    the longer the super 15 goes the more the lack of bonus points will hurt them. they drop one game and it just combounds the problem. they lose sight of the fact that rugby is meant to entertain and for me the poor backline running is no excuse with the amount of talent that is on show in there team. if they are happy with defence only style pattern then so be it. the team with the best balance always wins. you dont get points for tackles jean. the sad story is that they might very well end up going on the road for the play offs and then they wil face a stiff stiff challendge trying to win away from home. my money is on the bulls and sharks. to be honest the stormers travel the best so for there sake i hope they can win overseas...on another note i see people calling hom the next bok captain ???? i doubt he has even n starting place seeing that he has not performed on any level for the past seasons. that includes his stint in ireland that he got benched. franna steyn and n de jongh midfield sounds like a attack dream come true. he had his time but he is not the best center in this country. francois steyn is on another level and jean might function in 13 with his slow hand and one eyed approach toe taking gaps.

  • stefan.vanderspuy - 2012-05-17 14:21

    Jean's comment are very valid. You cannot always just choose a style of playing and apply it. The weather on Saturday sounds as though we are again not going to see running rugby. But I believe the determination and grit of the Stormers will come through again, and they will be triumphant with another hard-fought win...

  • naeem.february - 2012-05-17 14:41

    Haha,,the lasT 3 meetings in super rugby we won the sharks,,,including the last currie cup meeting we won haha,,,as for the bulls between stormers and bulls? Wu had the last victory? Haha log says nothing cz the chiefs,,,landerS,stormers all gna beat u,,, o yeS all the super rugby teams that playes the blues this season won them( including the stormers) haha only u guys and the lionS lost to them? And ur other defeat? O yeS against the stormers almost forgot haha,,, and BTW!!!! The bulls defence suck haha,,,was proven,by warathas,rebels,and brumbies,,,but ay let's talk again after the new zealand leg af the bulls tour:) StormerS Groete!!!!

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