Jean: We're where Bulls were

2011-07-03 13:17

Rob Houwing, Sport24 chief writer

Cape Town - The Stormers may well be in a similar position three-times Vodacom Super Rugby winners the Bulls were just ahead of their run of trophy-hogging success in the southern hemisphere competition.

That was the defiant, and perhaps not necessarily unrealistic message delivered by the franchise's seasoned Springbok centre and acting captain Jean de Villiers after the painful 29-10 semi-final defeat to the Crusaders at Newlands on Saturday.

De Villiers, who had assumed the reins for the second half of the match after Schalk Burger's untimely, suspected thumb fracture which is likely to rule the Springbok loose forward out of the early part of the Tri-Nations, managed to remain reasonably upbeat as he cast his thoughts to the Stormers' (and by extension Western Province's) immediate future.

He drew a comparison with the Bulls team of the mid-2000s, who started to show some promise after years of Loftus malaise with successive appearances in Super 12/Super 14 semi-finals in 2005 and 2006.

"They lost each time then (to the Waratahs and then Crusaders) but eventually in their third year they managed to get the tournament win," De Villiers noted.

The Bulls, of course, then won the demanding competition twice more in the next three years.

So by De Villiers's thinking, the fact that the Stormers have made the final and semi-final stages respectively over the course of the last two seasons may bode well for a patient path to glory, if you like in the manner the Bulls once did.

"The fact that we’re playing in the playoffs of every single competition (including the Currie Cup) every year at present is good for us and we need to start winning - that's the fact of the matter," said De Villiers.

"We've got to keep the faith and keep chipping away.

"It's flipping tough tonight, and I know we keep on saying we need to learn from our mistakes, but that's exactly it. It's frustrating, but we need to stick together and keep our chins up.

"We've got such a great bunch of guys together who really play for each other."

He did, instructively, strike one rueful note, in terms of the union shedding further experienced resources in the weeks and months ahead:  "Now guys like Francois Louw and Anton van Zyl are going away; players who've really been part of Western Province rugby - their families are really Western Province and all of that. It's a pity guys like that weren't able to win trophies here."

But De Villiers also returned to more chipper mode. "The fact that we basically blooded, I think, an entire team of players, one to 15, under the age of 23 ... that's fantastic for us as a union. I do think we're on the right track."

Coach Allister Coetzee, meanwhile, lauded the Crusaders for their "impressive" performance.

"They were outstanding. Our own tactics were naive and as a coaching staff and group we take (responsibility). We played too much rugby in our own half again and that wasn't the plan.

"They exploited it well and points came from turnovers they capitalised on. It was another learning experience for us - I know it's difficult to digest but you do learn from big games like this one. We look forward to next season.

"I do have to say that although our two young scrumhalves (Louis Schreuder and last-minute substitute Nic Groom) did their best, it was really tough to lose Dewaldt Duvenage ahead of the game - an experienced player who's been in situations like this and occupies a vital position. He's also instrumental in the way you want to play your kicking game.

"I don't think we've got any flankers left in the competition, either, after losing Schalk now as well!

"This Stormers team still fared really well this season, by my book. If we warrant criticism (after the semi-final defeat) then the other South African franchises probably deserve a lot more for not getting as far as we did, remember."

Asked what was required to lift the Stormers/WP from their "thereabouts" situation to actual trophy winners, Coetzee conceded:  "You're 100 percent right, we're at that tipping point. What's important is to keep believing in our systems and structures.

"It's important that we also have quality in terms of depth in certain (positions). We are of the opinion that we will continue to grow from inside. The Bulls have been there for years, because they've got quality off the bench. In crucial positions we still don't have that."

Probed by Sport24 on whether some big-name recruitment would still be required to balance out the union's heavy emphasis on youth, the coach replied: "I don't think we'll be pushed by emotion out there. Yes, there's got to be a balance (between youth and experience) and we've got to get that balance right. In certain positions we do need experience in depth. But take nothing away from the experience gained by our youngsters this year.

"There's character here, a work ethic here, but you've got no control over issues like injuries ... (ideally) we want a squad of 40 players where every position is properly covered, and trophies will come.

"The bye right at the beginning of the season didn't help much, so we needed that break last week. I think next year we get our (first) bye in round four and then again in week eight or nine. Maybe that will serve us better."


  • Frik - 2011-07-03 13:25

    Hahahahahahaha ok Jean kom ons maak dit dan volgende jaar?

      watalife - 2011-07-03 13:27

      Ja like your bulls, 7th On the log...From hero 2 ZERO in 10 months.... LOSER

      Frik - 2011-07-03 13:30

      Hehehehe lekker watalife wat van zero tot zero vir 11 jaar en counting?

      Leon - 2011-07-03 13:59

      Dis onnodig, watalife! Lyk my jy, soos die pillow-biter span wat jy ondersteun, het ook nie class nie...

      Theuns - 2011-07-03 14:16

      @Frik...ek het jou gese om die KIND uit te los.. Hy gooi al weer sy toys(in die geval sy dildo's.)... So tipies n Stormer supporter...ek wonder of hulle weer hulle spellers begin Boo het??? @Wata... ur the Scum of the Cape which they warned us about... Go get a life Muzza...

      Makutu - 2011-07-03 15:08

      I think they simply forgot to look at what the Cheetahs did to beat these guys. The Cheetahs were dominating the collisions, they were marking the support players that were potential offload options for the runners, they tackled tackled and tackled even more... Plus their scrum was full of heavyweights. Jean de Villiers is an overrated center. Highly overrated! Gosh...

      Howzitekse - 2011-07-03 15:49

      They are just like the Bulls, no tallent and a lot of lip.

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-03 16:07

      Howzat, jy kan nie eers 'talent' spel nie.

      BTRX - 2011-07-03 16:48

      Watalife-gaan kyk na die log, die bulls was wel 7de, maar die skeidsregters het die Stormers altyd voor gehou, dit was die verskil (by die uitspeelrondes was die WP 1 game voor die Bulls en die Sharks het net soveel wedstryde gewen as die Bulls) Ek sien regtig nie dat die WP op hierdie stadium die sterkste in SA rugby is nie. Kaplan het met die game in Kaapstad die bulls van die veld afgeblaas (en ons het nog steeds gewen) Kaplan was ook nie beter in die game tussen die Sharks en die Bulls nie (kyk bietjie na die strafskoptelling teen die bulls) En moet nie sê dat die bulls meer vuil speel of meer foute gemaak het nie, die bulls het die minste insidente van vuilspel hierdie jaar getoon as enige ander span, dit was net as sekere refs geblaas het dat die bulls so gestraf was. Ongelukkig (of moet ek sê gelukkig) het hierdie voortrekkery geboemerang. As ons na die WB gaan en die gros van die voorspelers kom uit die WP en Sharks, dan gaan ons "k.k"

      Frik - 2011-07-03 17:12

      @Bambie jong lyk my die "ouens" van die kaap sal hulle die week moet spoil met mani's en pedi's om van die ondraaglike pyn te vergeet...

      Frik - 2011-07-03 17:35

      @Getalife precisely what is your fascination with men and men getting it on?

      Frik - 2011-07-03 19:17

      @Bambie as ek vir getalife so kyk is hy nie 'n KWV man maar meer Cape Hope...

      Howzitekse - 2011-07-04 02:42

      Net bek, soos die Bulle. 7de uit 15

      Adrian - 2011-07-04 08:25

      Who did your team play this weekend?

      BlueRaven - 2011-07-04 10:33

      @watalife and howzitski.... 11 years no trophy, Bulls 11 years 7 trophies... enough said

      Frik - 2011-07-04 10:53

      @Adrian against the stoffers... Who did your team play against?

      Theuns - 2011-07-04 18:51

      @Frik...wie was laas jaar 3de en 4de...ek kan nie onthou nie???

      Ruan - 2011-07-07 12:49

      Elke jaar is dit VOLGENDE jaar, dis hoe Jean sy kontrak aanhou verleng..... sal seker NOG spelers koop totdat hulle heeltemal bankrot is soos die Leeus!!

  • gsaker1 - 2011-07-03 13:38

    I have great respect for Scott Burger , but they got annihilated by the Crusaders who just destroyed their scrum, murdered their line out and until the last 15 minutes out-muscled them at the breakdown...The worried look of horror and despair on Peter De Villers face in the crowd told a thousand stories pre world cup

      wbs777 - 2011-07-03 14:04

      Scott Burger?????

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-03 14:21

      I also respect Scott but I think Schalk is an idiot.

      Andrew - 2011-07-03 16:09

      @Bulldozer. Hee Hee

      Frik - 2011-07-03 17:36

      Yes Scott had an excellent game!!! What a legend!!!

  • EDI2000 - 2011-07-03 13:39

    The stomers have as much chance of winning the S15 as Zuma's nephew has of going on a diet

  • Harry - 2011-07-03 13:42

    In ANY sport one only measure yourself against the BEST. Jean could have used any example, but he chose the BULLS. Not me, Jean himself. With this he acknowledged the success of the mighty BULLS. Thanks for that Jean, just hope that your supporters will also catch a wake-up now !!!!

      MonsterHOND - 2011-07-03 14:24

      If your best is in the past - the future is not that bright!

      GraemeBB - 2011-07-03 14:53

      @Monster HOND DOM- so, if you were never the best, you will never be the best?

      MonsterHOND - 2011-07-03 16:00

      Dude - you keep wining about your past - last year - where exactly was your team this year - just asking..... Not saying we where better than you - not taking away your history - just asking - were where you? And no - you misquoted me - I'm saying you can only bring up the past - as your current form was not good enough - so maybe it shows something about your future..... we also where not good enough yesterday - we did have a better season than you - but funny how nobody can comprehend that...... and keep nailing the team that actually done better than what you could in this season.....

  • Harry - 2011-07-03 13:47

    "The bye right at the beginning of the season didn't help much...." blah blah blah. Why does the Stormers ALWAYS blame someone or something for their defeats ??? Last week we had to listen how the bye (last week) would assist them in the semis........THE REST IS HISTORY. The Crusaders didnt rest AND travelled, but they did the job ON THE FIELD. Remember how the Sharkies blamed the travelling last week. So flippen lame............

      Leon - 2011-07-03 14:02

      I could not agree with you more (on both comments)!!! You've nailed this one...

      GraemeBB - 2011-07-03 14:55

      I have never seen a wild thing feel sorry for itself!

      Thad - 2011-07-03 14:56

      You obviously didn't read the part where they praised the Crusaders for their "impressive" performance. Only see what you want to??? Also, there is a big difference between travelling east and traveling west. If you had any intelligence you would know that.

  • Harry - 2011-07-03 13:50

    Ladies and gentlemen. The 2011 CHOKER CHAMPS go to.......wait............THE STORMERS !!!! Ye ye ye. Hereby they successfully defended their title. Well done boysssss !!!!!

      EDI2000 - 2011-07-03 13:57

      Sorry Harry I would say they come a very close second to "Chop G Smith & Co" for their useless CWC performance .... BUT the almighty AB could prove me wrong and pip them both in the RWC.... we'll have to wait and see

      Harry - 2011-07-03 14:03

      Yes EDI, but they surely are rugby's CHOKER CHAMPS thus far......

  • Harry - 2011-07-03 13:54

    In ANY sport one only measure yourself against the BEST. Jean could have used any example, but he chose the BULLS. Not me, Jean himself. With this he acknowledged the success of the mighty BULLS. Thanks for that Jean, just hope that your supporters will also catch a wake-up now !!!!

  • Cliff - 2011-07-03 14:06

    Please - move to a province where your fans support you. Province aholes that tolerate half these pathetic humans that support new zealand and their teams is just so over. What a joke!!!!

      Maori - 2011-07-03 15:04

      Sorry Cliff to hear about your problems, but please do not be such a bitter woman! Your teampie were smashed. Shame

      Frik - 2011-07-03 17:20

      @Cliff do you actually compare stoffer supporters to humans?

  • wbs777 - 2011-07-03 14:06

    WP/Stormers can never be like the Bulls.You need things like class, talent, temperament etc. to be where the Bulls were and still are

      MonsterHOND - 2011-07-03 16:10

      Yes - pure class and temperament you currently showed to end 7th on log - BRILLIANT - we do need some BMT you had the previous years I do agree....

  • Makutu - 2011-07-03 14:10

    Is this guy even a center? Gosh, that was terrible display...

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-03 14:24

      He's more like a centerpiece.

      Makutu - 2011-07-03 14:30

      It has been proven more than twice that he can't match Sonny Bill Williams. Time for the Springboks selectors to be brave and get rid of some old dead wood in the Bok camp. The age factor in the bok camp will hurt us come Tri nations and World Cup. The Centers that managed to stop Sonny Bill Williams were those of the Cheetahs! I think Robert Ebersohn should be a bok in the next few years.

  • Petras - 2011-07-03 14:10

    Jean wont be there anymore next year will he? I can only asume after seeing him play yesterday it is time for him to hang up his boots sooner rather then later! And after 10 years of being a professional and the whole Stromers backline being springboks, this is a very worrysome sign as most of these guys will be in the bok team!

      Thad - 2011-07-03 15:04

      The only 2 players in the stormers backline I would put in the Springbok squad is Aplon and de Jongh. I agree with Makutu's comment about Eberson as well. In fact quite a few of the Cheetah players deserves be in the squad. Sarel Pretorious is one of them. If Coenie Oosthuizen can learn not concede 20 penalties a game in the scrums, he would be best prop in the world.

      Lean - 2011-07-03 15:05

      Jean didn't have a great game. BUt I Guess everyone has to have a great game, every game or they suck. I Mean they aren't Human and never make mistakes. Amirite? You people on here need to get a life, and there is a thing called respect. They are all Human, and no matter what anyone here says, I Will always be a WP boy, even if we don't win any cups for 100 more years. THAT is what a real supporter is, Not someone who only supports the teams that are winning. If you can't handle that, don't watch it. SIMPLE REALLY!

  • Georgp2 - 2011-07-03 14:11

    Somehow the Stormers stuffed up the teams that can win this. The I feel sorry for them with the attitude Jean has and many others it makes it very difficult to support them. They went into this game as Gods with no or little motivation. Ou Jean the Bulls why is that on your mind are they still haunting you. If they concentrated on the game they had the stuff but no we want to descredit the Bulls. Probable also prepared to play the Bulls. Wake up play the game

  • Makutu - 2011-07-03 14:11

    The difference being that the Bulls lost AWAY games, not HOME games like you punks!

      Lean - 2011-07-03 15:07

      1 Home Game? Ok, I Guess you are better than them, and they aren't human. Let's see how you do next year, MR troll!

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-04 07:13

      4 Home games Lean.

      Makutu - 2011-07-04 08:48

      I am talking about play-offs.

  • vanrooyenmara - 2011-07-03 14:11

    Shame n gekneuste duim??? Loooser Matfield het met n gebreekte rib al gespeel tiepies Donkie los sy span net so toe hy sien hulle steek SA on die skande...........jis dis lekker om te sien hoe VAL die Donkies al weer....

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-03 14:25

      Ek smaak jou stukkend. Welkom op hierdie forum.

      Lean - 2011-07-03 15:09

      Maybe, just maybe, they decided not to risk it more with the WC on the way. I Am positive he woulda stayed out there, if it wasn't so close. But hey, you play with a broken thumb and ribs all the time don't you. O Wait you don't play professional rugby at all, my bad. Now climb back in the .........

  • Harry - 2011-07-03 14:16

    In ANY sport one only measure yourself against the BEST. Jean could have used any example, but he chose the BULLS. Not me, Jean himself. With this he acknowledged the success of the mighty BULLS. Thanks for that Jean, just hope that your supporters will also catch a wake-up now !!!!

      BlueRaven - 2011-07-04 10:18

      well said lmao

  • Harry - 2011-07-03 14:17

    Ladies and gentlemen. The 2011 rugby CHOKER CHAMPS go to.......wait............THE STORMERS !!!! Ye ye ye. Hereby they successfully defended their title. Well done boysssss !!!!!

  • Bulldozer - 2011-07-03 14:20

    Jean is the king of wishful thinking.

  • Harry - 2011-07-03 14:30

    The slogan of the Stormer's sponsor (DHL) is : "We deliver". He ehe ehe. Maybe they must change the sponsor to Viagra = "Help you to perform under pressure."

  • Hayden - 2011-07-03 14:33

    I would really like one day for the love of rugby that provincial animosisty between rugby unions/fans be put to bed &that rugby followers be respected for there opinions no matter Stormer, Bulls, Bok or Sharks fan. At first when i read the article i thought: "gewizz Jean u opening a can of worms" but then again thought his 100% right to measure the Stormers against the Bulls (not to say that they were better this season cause the conference log wont lie) but over the years the Bulls won trophies (Super Rugby) & sadly to say we didnt & based on that assessment by all means the Bulls have set a standard that the rest of the provincial teams need to strive to & sadly speaking, this season the Bulls didnt match that formidable standard that they renowned to be. I pray that in future we (all provincial teams) will speak rugby on the day & not history, let it be analysing, blatant confession, correction or humour. With all due respect iv followed most post re: Super rugby this season & certain individuals really need to grow up of insulting each other & there opinions. My team lost to a better team on the day that was very good even Alistar admitted it with no excuses. I'm sad but it gives me comfort knowing the log reads: 1 Reds (Final) 2 Stormers (Lost in the Semi-Final) 3 Crusaders (Final) 4 Blues (Lost in Semi-Final) 5 Waratahs (Lost in the play-offs) 6 Sharks (Lost in the Play-offs) 7 Bulls (Despite the history of being a formidable team........ didnt even make the play-offs)

      Harry - 2011-07-03 14:38

      No Hayden, your choker team Stormers did not end above the Crusaders. The competition doesn't stop after the round robin games. Maybe thats why the Stormers choked again ..................In any case, who cares about third place, except Stormer supporters????

      Marius Swart - 2011-07-03 14:51

      @Hayden.Jammer om te se maar dit klink of jou hart seer is en sal ek verstaan want om so te verloor in Semi is nie lekker nie.Wat ok al jy se by volgende jaar se begin van seisoen gaan mense nie eers onthou wie in die semi gespeel het nie maar wie die kompetisie gewen het.Dit is al wat tel en altyd gaan tel.Tot die stormers nie iets wen nie gaan hulle baie moeilik ernstig opgeneem word.Al troos wat ek kan gee is dat daar nie sommer span was wat gister die Crusaders sou gewen het nie en dit sluit my geliefde Bul span is.Sterkte

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-03 14:54

      ''I would really like one day for the love of rugby that provincial animosisty between rugby unions/fans be put to bed &that rugby followers be respected for there opinions''. Never going to happen Hayden. Never.

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-03 14:55

      Harry, Allister se motivation speach was: ''Solank julle dit geniet en julle beste gee.''

      GraemeBB - 2011-07-03 15:12

      @Haden - I particularly enjoy hearing guys like you suck it up. You were such a big mouth, and humble pie isnt your thing, but again, a plate full for you sir. The only reason you want us to ignore history is because it doesnt favour you - sorry, history is never forgotten. A change in attitude before losing would indicate sincerity, but you will be at your best again next year (March) when you think your team is going to win the S15. - And only if we could see some of your remarks again, we could have a good freaking laugh at your arrogance.

      BTRX - 2011-07-03 16:59

      Hayden, in a years time nobody going to remember the Stormers lost in the semi-final. The bottomline is that they lost. No win, no trophies, why is it so difficult to understand that. We bulls supporters know that we going to have to wait a few years before we peak again (we lost a lot of experience and admitedly we had a lot of old guys in the team this year and still looked good especially the last seven games) The difference between the Stormers and the Bulls are this-we build for 10 years on young inexperienced guys and the Stormers think they can buy the experienced guys from the other provinces-that was their downfall!!

      Hayden - 2011-07-03 17:03

      @GraemeBB. Its not about sucking it up. I take it on the chin that we never deserved to win against the Saders & yes what if my remarks was over the top to other posts saying the Stormers are gonna win the tournament..... i hear the same hype (big mouth) from other fans cheering their team on, why should i be different. U obviously dont need me to define supporter or fan to u because come next year i'll still believe in my team to win & the next & the next..... But arrogant naaaa dude im no Australian. Thanx alot thou for your positive critisim i hope when its WC we will sing the same tune. Cheers

      Gambit9 - 2011-07-03 17:30

      Hayden do you notice all the negative comment only comes 7th placed Bulls supporters,nothing from Sharks and other franchises. We at least made the the semi's and next year without Matfield, Bakkies & Fourie the Bulls will be lucky if they make to seven, get out your check book guys, John Smit is up for scrum half.

      Kleinboetsê - 2011-07-03 20:03

      Die dag wanneer die bulls ondersteuners ophou tos praat vd Stormers sal ek weet ons is gladnie meer 'n faktor in SA rugby nie. Tot dusver geniet ek hul afbrekende galbrakery want ons is 'n irritasie vir hulle!

      Mike@CapeT - 2011-07-04 03:41

      12th cupless year coming up!! Ba bwa Bwa HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!! S@ck it you arrogant Stormer idiots!!

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-04 07:14

      Ja Kleinboet, 10 jaar no cups is nogal n irritasie. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

      Carl - 2011-07-04 09:30

      Hi Hayden Let me give you the real stats that you were looking for: 2006: Stormers 11th - No where / Bulls 4th - Lost away in semis against Crusaders 2007: Stormers 10th - No where / Bulls 1st - Champions 2008: Stormers 5th - No where / Bulls 10th - No where 2009: Stormers 10th - No where / Bulls 1st - Champions 2010: Stormers 2nd - Lost Final / Bulls 1st - Champions 2011: Stormers 2nd - Lost HOME semi / Bulls 7th - No where Is that CHAMPION word at the end of each year not braeking your STORMER supporter's hearts ??? The BULLS is by far the best SA team ever and it will remain like that. But check the STORMERS next year. Lekker slaap ou grote !!!!

  • Marx - 2011-07-03 14:40

    Ok, we all know the minute silence thing, but this 80minutes of silence must be a new world record!! Ou Jean, dream on dude, you guys gave Choking a brand new meaning, totally outplayed . If this is what SA should take to a WC, they might as well stay home, BRING ON THE BULLS !! The arrogance came down on sat. like never before, and still some...we know who they are, have big mouths, Shame!Ok, we all know the minute silence thing, but this 80minutes of silence must be a new world record!! Ou Jean, dream on dude, you guys gave Choking a brand new meaning, totally outplayed . If this is what SA should take to a WC, they might as well stay home, BRING ON THE BULLS !! The arrogance came down on sat. like never before, and still some...we know who they are, have big mouths, Shame!

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-03 14:56

      Dis wat gebeur as jy die cup na jou eerste warm up game wen.

  • ZACommentator - 2011-07-03 14:47

    Jeepers Jean that is quite a statement, considering you have won ZERO in 11 years.

  • Kleinboet - 2011-07-03 15:00

    We played badly, finish en klaar. No excuses will help us play better in future. What we need is to ARRIVE at the field and PLAY for 80 minutes. For that the players need better psychological conditioning. There was enough dog in the fight, but not enough fight in the dog. It is disheartening to see your countriy's top team go to pieces like that with a World Cup tournament lurking just around the corner. The Sharks have also lost there knack to win big games lately, and the Bulls did not show any at all this year. Unless a miracle happens, we will not only loose the Three Nations, ending last, but will not even reach the semi finals of the World Cup. To those supporters of other teams who take delight in the Stormers' demise: hope you can keep on laughing when South Africa is relegated to fourth or fifth place internationally. But, then, I am sure you will find some excuse for it - bad choice of players, bad coaching; bad this, bad that. To my mind it would more likely be a case of you cannot build some thing up by breaking it down. And, in the final analises, you will only have yourselves to blame. Come, let us forget about provincialism and racism and all those other -isms that consume us and get behind the Boks NOW. Remember that no one picks himself and everyone that gets picked plays out his heart for his country. Even John Smit and other less preferred Boks. That is what I am going to do

  • Hermanus Jacobus - 2011-07-03 15:07

    Ek dink dit is 'n bietjie naief vir Jean om hulle posisie met die van die bulls sin te vergelyk. Vir drie jaar nou al hoor ons aan die begin van die seisoen van bekers wat kom na die Stormers/WP en na elke kompetisie sien ons net afgeranselde hang gesig mannetjies van die veld af stap. Die Stormers is die enigste span wat nie tuis halfeindstryde kan wen nie. Die eerste tuis halfeindstryd wat die Bulls tuisgekry het, het hy gewen en sommer die kompetisie ook. Die volgende jaar 'n nuwe afrigter en toe twee jaar na mekaar tuis halfeindstryde en bekers in die kas. Wat die Stormers aangevang het sal seker net hulle grootste ondersteuners hulle kan vergewe. Maar steeds dankie, dit was 'n groot skouspel wat ek werklik terdee geniet het.

  • Maori - 2011-07-03 15:12

    De Villiers was always suspect on defence - his channel was exploited yet again. SBW showed him up for a second time this year. Cannot wait for the Tri-Nations with these 2 bok centres.

  • vidal - 2011-07-03 15:19

    Jean, with respect, yesterday I watched the wedding in Monaco and the funeral at Newlands. You guys were embarrassing, the Crusaders made you look like boys and they played a brand of rugby no South African side can match. Your crash bang forward play was countered by smart quick back line play. Your scrum was demolished and you sat in your 25 for the last 15 minutes of the game. You were comprehensibly outplayed, accept it, deal with it, move on.

  • Makutu - 2011-07-03 15:20

    Schalk Brits is an incredibly good player!

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-04 07:16

      Schalk ''goose step, with or without the ball'' Brits het pokkol beteken nie. Teveel tricks probeer.

  • Alan - 2011-07-03 15:30

    The Stormers just couldn't get over the gain line yesterday. But before I give any excuses, they just were aggressive enough especially in the contact areas. Far too many mistakes in the first 20 minutes and the game was gone. I think AC must rethink his first 20min in knockouts and find a way to hang in there and not concede so many points. Otherwise a great season for the Stormers. Ok, so what might help a little in comming seasons, well not loosing players like big Duane, Duvies and Pieter Louw. Of these I think Duane was the biggest loss just before the semi. Then not having a bye at the start of the season, sorry but that is a plonkers idea and maybe an extra bye week needs to be bought in for the unlucky team at the end of the season somehow. That and the starting bye must be rotated between countries as I believe SA teams will have the first 5 start game byes - how did that happen??? What else do the Stormers need to finally cross the line - PROPS, simple as that they need props that can win the scrum battle and drive a maul forward. That's it, nothing else, the margins between first and last in Super rugby are infinitely small and first can be last and last first in the space of a season or 2. The Stromers had a great season but need a real prop or 2 to finally get there.

  • Alan - 2011-07-03 15:32

    Sorry I forgot to add that it didn't help that the Saders played a fabulous game and PDivy must be questioning what to do about SBW and Fruen in the midfield. My suggestion is to take on the ABs at 9 and 10, set up intercept players in the 10 to 11 channel and the 11 to 12 channels. Play our own big boy against SBW, yes that is Frans Steyn at 12 otherwise we are in for a tough RWC.

  • Marx - 2011-07-03 15:42

    The 80 minute silence must be a world record!! The arrogance were brought to justice like never before. Hayden, Watalife, in fact the whole lot supporting the chokers believies the world owes them something for ending in the top 4, what a pathetic joke. The Bulls won 3 semis against the Saders, with blood and guts, you arrogant lot think it should fall in your lap, cause the world somehow owe it to you, how pathetic ! For those who play the 'Bulls didn't qualify card' Matfield and Kie made our wildest dreams come true over many years, they did the Bulls brand tremendous justice, what did your pretty boys achieve exept choking. Bulls rule!!

  • MonsterHOND - 2011-07-03 15:55

    To every Bull and Shark supporter that is keeping in hammering us on our loss yesterday - yes - we lost - we are not as awesome as the other two SA teams - Oh no - they could not pull it off this year either ...... Guys - listen - The Bulls where brilliant last year and the 3 years before - nobody is disputing that - The sharks where brilliant in last years Currie cup - great - neither of you could finish top of the SA log this year - and neither of you was even invited yesterday - Granted - we didn't show up for the game - at least we cracked an invite.... And by saying this I'm not saying the Bulls of last year as worse than us - I am saying the Bulls of this year was... And yes - you where - you cannot say you would've won yesterday - you where not good enough to be there - yes - you woke up to late and just missed the play-offs - the Stomers didn't.... - we did fell asleep during them ..... So all and all - last year you where better than us in the Super 14 and Currie Cup respectively - But this year - you missed out - and where found wanting....even more than we where - so why carry on with all these crappy comment about us not standing up - yes - we didn't - no, neither did you!

      GraemeBB - 2011-07-03 16:10

      @Monster - If you had visited this site all year, you will know that the Bulls were never spared ahammering or insult, player and fan alike. Part of the game dude....

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-04 07:17

      10 Years no cups, unlike the other 2 teams.

  • Roy - 2011-07-03 16:08

    Are these guys not the "chokers" like our cricketers? Smith also came from WP.

  • Allin - 2011-07-03 16:12

    Proven, yet again: WP lacks BMT... AndI'm a WP supporter!

  • BTRX - 2011-07-03 16:41

    Jean jy praat die grootste klomp bull (hahaha). Die blou bulle het hulle jong outjies vir 10 jaar bymekaargehou en dit is waarom hulle die bekers gewen het. Die stormers dink hulle kan ou manne van ander provinsies,lande trek en dan suksesvol wees, dit gaan nie werk nie (Jaques, Habana, Naqalavuki, Brits)

  • Mswati - 2011-07-03 16:55

    Well done Crusaders

  • BLOODY AGENT - 2011-07-03 17:06

    Soos My Geleerde vriend Bulldozer se"Bulls x3 Super champs,Stormer Suck 11 years and counting.En soos ek al lankal gese het"BMT ontbreek by die Stormers,daarom sal hulle altyd Chokers bly"en om te droom om soos dioe Bulls te wees ,,,,wel dit kan nie gebeur nie want die Bulls kon selfs van n pateet soos Habana n rugby speler maak maar hy het als weer afgeleer by die STORMERS,NOU IS HY NET N EENVOUDIGE LOSER

  • Georgp2 - 2011-07-03 17:07

    Hayden soppy sad story but the Stormers will be renemebered for how the hell did this team get to a play off. Your whole story so well and in the end you only had one thing as the punch line the Bulls. Actually made all the nice thing you said null and void. Thats what you guys got to get over. Julle weet mos van visvang daai moerse vis het weer weggekom. Sad julle kon dit doen los nou die Bulle uit hulle trophies hang teen die muur. I kind of like the Sharks they gave my team a hiding and they are soemhow neutral here.

  • Frederik - 2011-07-03 17:45

    Jean, Bulle het die home semi's gewen boet, se maar net julle het geen BMT, en sal nooit he nie....

  • Piet - 2011-07-03 17:52

    Kan iemand my vertel waarom die stormers slotte die voorrye se gatte optel en hulle koppe dan afdruk. o/14 slotte weet al waar om te druk

  • Carl Muller - 2011-07-03 18:02

    Geluk aan die Stormers!! Laasweek die Sharks ondersteun en die week die Stormers..... Nou die Bokke en dan weer terug na my geliefde Bulls.....; Bulls forever....

  • AJR - 2011-07-03 18:08

    Jean, dit is goed om jou met die beste te vergelyk, miskien kan die Stormers eendag in dieselfde asem as die Bulls genoem word.

  • BardofAvon - 2011-07-03 20:20

    I dunno so much. Chokalitis is hard to lose.

  • Voorvel - 2011-07-03 20:44

    Nee wat Jean. Nice try for Captain! Die WeePee is geweeg en net eenvoudig te lig bevind. As jy jou loopbaan mooi wil uit bail - skuif Bulls toe en tree oor 2 jaar uit met waardigheid. In die Kaap gaan jy soos 'n natrossie alleen aan die wingerd bly hang.

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-04 07:22

      Die Bulls soek hom nie dankie.

  • Raymond - 2011-07-03 20:54

    We were comprehensively beaten by a better team that outplayed us in all phases of the game.NO EXCUSES,we were just never in it.Irrespective of the disappointment,for me,it was an enjoyable Super 15 season.From I'M A STORMER.

  • hawk - 2011-07-03 21:07

    The Stormers is basically a good team with potential. They only lack 2 thing. 15 Boere seuns from the North And Heyneke Meyer. Otherwise theyre not a bad side at all

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-04 07:23

      And light blue jerseys. Dan is hulle die complete package.

  • windkind - 2011-07-03 22:54

    Oh please Jean - in the years that the Bulls lost in those semi finals, they had to travel to the other side of the world to contest these games. They never lost a semi final on home soil. Dream on. I am not a Bulls supporter, but I agree with the guys on this forum. The Stormers fans started drinking Champagne from the cup before they'd even played the semi. Its time to face the facts - your front five is not good enough to win you the cup. Especially in the front row you're too weak. And your mental strength is non existent. Perhaps its time you stop comparing yourselves to the Bulls and realise that with the exception of the Lions, you have the worst record in CC and Super rugby in the last 11 years of all the local teams. Even the Cheetahs managed a few Currie Cup victories. Stop bleating and eat some humble pie.

  • sbhennops - 2011-07-04 05:32

    From an Ozzie : I don't see any of the other teams in your country boasting with a win in this competition, not to mention three wins. Get over yourselves if you have never won it you should not comment because your teams are still on the wannabe list like mine the Reds, but at least we are in the final and hope to win it this year for Queensland. All these blokes yapping like a flee infested dog its best you rather stay quiet unless you have had or are in contention for the Super Rugby Trophy. Respect to the Bulls they had a bad run but gave it a good crack anyway. The rest just winge to much !!!

      Marcell - 2011-07-04 07:04

      Well said. I'm warning you , next year my Ozzie team is going to klap the Reds!! :)

  • Balsakhater - 2011-07-04 06:53

    All WP games will now be moved to the Cricket channel - Chokers. Bwohahahahahaha Stormers SUCK!!!

  • Tana - 2011-07-04 06:58

    Ja en as die Bulls ook die maklike games gehad het, soos om teen die Brumbies te speel, sou dit nie nodig gewees het om te wag tot die laaste game nie. Die stormers is `n klomp pissies wat fokkol BMT het nie. Maar nou ja, hulle het mos die beker al in Maart gewen, so hoekom huil hulle nou?????

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-04 07:24

      Hulle het al in Februarie gewen, na hulle eerste warm-up game.

  • Loneranger - 2011-07-04 07:55

    No comparison to the Bulls please Jean, your team is NOWHERE near the Bulls. I just hope they fire your coach for changing the gameplan before a semi-final !! To all the Stormer supporters: You have achieved just as much (nothing more) than the Cheetahs, Lions, Sharks and Bulls and that = NOTHING !!!!! Accept the fact that you are CHOKERS in BIG GAMES and move on !!!

  • JJRR - 2011-07-04 08:01

    O nou is Bulle ewe skierlik goed genoeg!? Go to Hell!!!!!