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Jake: Aussies smarter than SA

2013-06-25 16:00

Cape Town - Brumbies coach Jake White believes that Australian rugby players are smarter than their South African counterparts.

According to the IOL Sport website, White revealed in an interview with Forbes Africa magazine that his current crop of players are smarter and more hard-working than any team he has coached.

“I am not saying that South African players are dumb, it’s just that these guys are a lot more educated about a lot of things.

“They are very bright guys in Australia, they won’t just do (what they are told), they want to know why they are doing it and, if they agree, they will do it.

"Whereas in South Africa, it’s very much if you’re the coach and you want it, then we’ll just do it like that.

“It’s more of a curiosity thing.

“It’s an Australian way, but it’s more a Brumbies thing. They have prided themselves... that one thing they have had to do is out-think other teams because... they haven’t always had the same player base or resources that other clubs have.”

White coached the Springbok between 2004 and 2007, finishing his tenure with a victory over England in the 2007 Rugby World Cup final in Paris.



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Comments
  • George Wood - 2013-06-25 15:11

    What smart enough not to lose to the Lions????

      Dirk Jacobs - 2013-06-25 16:23

      Last series the Lions won was against the Springboks..

      George Wood - 2013-06-25 16:40

      Yes Dirk in 1997 they won the series 2-1, but the last one in 2009 we won the series 2-1.

  • Romano 'Koppe' Pietersen - 2013-06-25 15:14

    Heyneke vs Jake... Gonna be EPIC!!!

      Raymond Huxley - 2013-06-25 15:42

      IF the Aussie Rugby Union can stomach the thought of a Saffa coaching our mighty Wallaby squad, then maybe. We'll see

      Brutus Mcgreggor - 2013-06-25 16:08

      Mighty...bwahaaaaaa haaaaaaaaa, man this idiot is a clown

      Izzi Max - 2013-06-25 16:48

      I pray he doesnt, Jake can say what he wants, he has the credentials to put his money where his mouth is.

      Caleb Drumm - 2013-06-25 22:58

      Raymond, they managed to stomach Dingo Deans for so long. thank God that guy didnt get the Ab's job.

  • Naeem February - 2013-06-25 15:14

    Evrytime this guy gets sacked, or rejected in SA he has something bad to say about SA! Seriously dude??? Do you eat that much sour grapes???

      Dirk Jacobs - 2013-06-25 16:25

      He got sacked for Snorre right after winning the World Cup.. I dare say we don't really look after our talent!

      Dan Jackiels - 2013-06-25 16:42

      You could see why he's such a big fan of Rathbone.

      Joe Jacobs - 2013-06-25 18:50

      Poor oke is miffed because he got overlooked for the Sharks post.. of course then all South Africans are dof!

      Dirk Jacobs - 2013-06-26 08:12

      Time for a new coach for the Stormers. Maybe ask Jake!

  • Willie Oosthuizen - 2013-06-25 15:16

    Big surprise. Jake White making an outrageous statement. Never heard that before.

      Louis Ferreira - 2013-06-25 18:43

      But it is true mate, Aussies are clever rugby players not like your Boks or Bulls teams that play kick..chase and hope rugby.

      Caleb Drumm - 2013-06-25 22:59

      Cant really argue there Louis, Saffa game plan is very predictable and stupid.

  • Brandon Stephenson - 2013-06-25 15:19

    I don't agree on how he said it but I have to agree with what he says . Here in SA our players are like robots that just follow orders or like sheep that just follow the herd . Everyone is too scared to play his own game in fear of losing favour with the coaches . Players like Wille Le Roux are our future . Guys with flare and that unpredictable game are lacking in our structures . Our players are so predictable that the other teams can work out their game plans against us weeks in advance .

      Pascal van Woezik - 2013-06-25 15:32

      We had and still have players like that in SA, but Gio Aplon, Brussow, etc. are apparently to small for rugby or rather Blue Bull rugby. The best thing of Willie le Roux, except his flair and unpredictability, is that he puts his team first and rather look were the opportunities are for other players than himself.

      Leon Alberts - 2013-06-25 15:36

      hi Brandon and there is no plan B or C lekker warm vandag hier in Kabul en sien jy vrek ook van die hitte daar by jou

      Brandon Stephenson - 2013-06-25 15:40

      I don't think we are stupid or less intelligent than the other teams . I just think that SA Rugby has got stuck in a certain type of play that worked 6/7 years ago and we have failed to adapt , evolve and advance our tactics . I think the only way to pave the way for this is to allow players to play their natural games to their strengths with proper team work and cohesion of course . This kick and bash rugby is no longer as effective and it's becoming a little long in the tooth .

      Brandon Stephenson - 2013-06-25 15:53

      @Raven : The point of the whole matter is that even though in principle and theory you are correct about the Springbok game plan , the way they are executing it just isn't working as effectively anymore . Just look at our results over the last 2 years when we've played the Aussies and AB's and throw in the English . SA Rugby is lacking something . That something I believe is the use of God given talent among the players as well as a little "grey matter" thrown into the equation . Muscle power and good boot can only get you so far . After that "special" things need to start taking place to advance , dominate and destroy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Brutus Mcgreggor - 2013-06-25 15:59

      Raven, this toddler isn't to bright, excuse the idiot

      Brandon Stephenson - 2013-06-25 16:05

      @ Brutus : Best you go crawl back under that rock you came out from before you hurt yourself !

      Brutus Mcgreggor - 2013-06-25 16:09

      Maybe you should bulk up a bit to tune big okes maargat aap

      Brandon Stephenson - 2013-06-25 16:20

      @ Brutus : Spoken like a true FATTY !

      Brandon Stephenson - 2013-06-25 16:23

      @ Raven : I am just as excited about the Springbok prospects this year . Jake is talking about the past but he has no way of knowing what is going on in HM's mind right now . HM has had it tough with the player exodus and injuries but he has a true rugby brain on him and I am confident that he will work out all the chinks in our game plan . I just hope that he can add an extra dimension or two to our game that will keep our opponents guessing !

      Izzi Max - 2013-06-25 16:51

      Wouldnt drop Louw for Brussow, but I'd sure as hell bring in Brussow as a back up for Louw, no other 6 in SA can do what Louw does. And yes we are predictable, very. But that doesnt mean they can stop it. We like playing with physical tank smashing style, you see it coming, but can you prevent it? If you can't? Well thats not our problem.

      Joe Jacobs - 2013-06-25 18:54

      Raven, really, did the Boks play expansive rugby against the Scots or for that matter against the Italians.. what game did you watch. Aplon is now into his 31st year and years of talent wasted by people, who like you are unable to coach talent rather play stereotypical rugby.

  • Franco Ferreira - 2013-06-25 15:19

    Suur druiwe?

      Raymond Huxley - 2013-06-25 15:42

      Say what?

  • Ludorum - 2013-06-25 15:22

    If they are so bloody smart why do we keep on beating them on such a regular basis, on Super Rugby and tests???

      Raymond Huxley - 2013-06-25 15:43

      In the interests of SANZAR to give the ailing Saffas a chance...

      Gerald Copeland Steyn - 2013-06-25 16:15

      Haha since when do we beat them regularly? Last I checked we've only beaten them once in the last 6 tests!

      Louis Ferreira - 2013-06-25 18:45

      But it is true mate, Aussies are clever rugby players not like your Boks or Bulls teams that play kick..chase and hope rugby.

      Pj Andreas - 2013-06-26 04:17

      Don't forget the mighty rebels beat the stormers!haha

  • Jacques Steffen - 2013-06-25 15:25

    I couldn't agree more, Jake. Especialy the arrogant Planks.

      Raymond Huxley - 2013-06-25 15:43

      By 'planks' I'm assuming you mean Saffas?

      Brutus Mcgreggor - 2013-06-25 16:00

      No stormers

  • Luke Sportify - 2013-06-25 15:25

    Are you really that stupid that you think this is not the media playing with words. I must agree, the Aussies are much smarter than the South African Rugby players as a whole Aussie teams are much more structured, have moves that work, not one diminutional More than bash bash bash kick kick kick As for spectators..or those who comment on stories...Sport24 are the dumbest of the lot!!

      Louis Ferreira - 2013-06-25 18:46

      But it is true mate, Aussies are clever rugby players not like your Boks or Bulls teams that play kick..chase and hope rugby.

      Arno Louw - 2013-06-26 04:20

      Diminutional? You just killed your whole comment.

      Arno Louw - 2013-06-26 04:25

      I think I have it now: Stormers midgets are diminutive and their game plan is one dimensional. Stormers are one diminutional! Word of the day!

      Rocco DeWet - 2013-06-27 07:07

      So Ferreira took his goed and trekked and now he uses words like "mate" and thinks he is smarter than us. Talk of a plank...

  • JumpenJack Gold - 2013-06-25 15:26

    Tell me something I dont know

      Raymond Huxley - 2013-06-25 15:43

      Amen!

      Arno Louw - 2013-06-26 04:27

      The human head weighs 8 pounds.

      JumpenJack Gold - 2013-06-26 16:28

      Tell me something less disturbing

  • Chez Kri - 2013-06-25 15:28

    His nose is out of joint because John Smit (NOT a stupid man, by the way) said no thanks to Jake White coaching the Sharks. Jake White is, was and always will be, a PRAT! Just ask his ex wife.

      Rocco DeWet - 2013-06-27 07:09

      An ex partner is not usually the most objective judge of character. :)

  • Lourens M Hendricks - 2013-06-25 15:30

    Bulls,stormers and Springboks are perfect examples of stupidity.

      Brutus Mcgreggor - 2013-06-25 15:57

      No, stupidity is allowing parasites like you to stay in our country and spunge on our resources. Wisdom is to put you and your kind on dingeys so that you can make your own way to your beloved NZ

      Hans Oosthuizen - 2013-06-26 08:07

      Nou wanneer laas het jou slim span n super beker of currie cup gewen?

      Phillys Winterbottom - 2013-06-26 12:26

      another pap-sack pro and online troll!!

      Rocco DeWet - 2013-06-27 07:12

      Ladies and gentleman, meet Lourens Hendricks, Rhodes scholar. ;)

  • Shawn Larsen - 2013-06-25 15:31

    Jake, don’t think the ARU don’t recognise a try-hard when they see one. Carry on like this and you’ll lose all the respect you’ve garnered thus far.

  • Reginald Dube - 2013-06-25 15:32

    as a black South African, this is not my fight............. #MovingOn

      Raymond Huxley - 2013-06-25 15:44

      racist

      Brutus Mcgreggor - 2013-06-25 16:01

      Tell us why Reginald, come on son, spit it out or are you a coward without balls?

      Neo Lucky - 2013-06-25 16:13

      @Reginald. Nope you are a white expat living in Australia wanting to spread dissent in our beautiful land.

      Reginald Dube - 2013-06-25 16:13

      the rugby team is mainly white and afrikaans, why is it my fight when Jake call them "not clever" ha ha ha ha..... not my fight. if you say i am racist. yes i am...... i am whatever you say i am!!!!! still not my fight.

      Brutus Mcgreggor - 2013-06-25 16:20

      easy on the KFC pal, that should be your fight

      Reginald Dube - 2013-06-25 16:25

      Brutus you think your opinion matters, not to this native....

      Brutus Mcgreggor - 2013-06-25 16:33

      Not an opinion, it's for everyone to see

  • Sean Rogers - 2013-06-25 15:32

    well we south africa beat the british lions. and australia just lost to them in the first test. so not a good comment to make Jake White you are sounding like a typical Saffa who bad mouths there country once he has left its almost like he is trying to justify himself . weld one you moved to australia so no need to bad mouth us

      Shirley Bisschoff - 2013-06-25 16:01

      Hopefully he will stay there! No point crawling back in a couple of years once he's been sacked.

      Brandon Stephenson - 2013-06-25 16:07

      @ Brutus : You're obviously lost . This is about rugby and not cricket . Go home before you hurt yourself !

      Brutus Mcgreggor - 2013-06-25 16:24

      Maargat, reply at the correct comment idiot, ook maar Dom ne

      Louis Ferreira - 2013-06-25 18:47

      But it is true mate, Aussies are clever rugby players not like your Boks or Bulls teams that play kick..chase and hope rugby.

  • Jaco Havenga - 2013-06-25 15:35

    He's hardup for the national team coach job in oz.

      Raymond Huxley - 2013-06-25 15:44

      Might even happen. We'll have to interrogate him first though, find out his motives. As long as Aussie Rugby stays on top, then I see no problem.

      Brutus Mcgreggor - 2013-06-25 16:02

      Like losing to the worst British team ever, then they gonna kick your asses in the ashes

      Raymond Huxley - 2013-06-25 19:35

      Your obsession with butts is disturbing...

  • Mike Hall - 2013-06-25 15:36

    "Jake the fake" Eish: Ou Jakes ,bring on the "clever outjies" so that the dumb Boertjies can sort the outjies out. I did not realise "clever outjies" needed explanations for everything they must do. Normally Clever outjites only require a "HALWE WOORDTJIE" .That is why our outjies is nie clever nie, >Hulle is baie "Fo!@#$%^&*()ing slim

      Bootman Stormerboy - 2013-06-25 16:54

      Mike just proved Jakes point that South Africans are dumb.

      Brutus Mcgreggor - 2013-06-25 18:29

      And what are you, just another parasite?

  • Ian McNaughton - 2013-06-25 15:36

    Just when they're sober Jake...

      Shirley Bisschoff - 2013-06-25 16:01

      Good one!

  • Alwyn Geyser - 2013-06-25 15:37

    And that's probably why you wanted to coach the Natal Sharks, idiot...

  • Shaun Holder - 2013-06-25 15:38

    Really a stupid statement to make! Jake White thinks he is a hero. South Africans made him who he is today.

      Raymond Huxley - 2013-06-25 15:45

      Yeah, like the whole of South Africa won the World Cup in France in 2007!

  • Leonard Adams - 2013-06-25 15:43

    Die patteet fool

  • Markus Hagedorn - 2013-06-25 15:43

    A buddy of mine played some rugby in Aus and what he said was similar. Jake says his players are asking more questions, it's just a different culture. in some circles in SA it still seems that asking "why?" is seen as rebellious. Bad choice of words though.

      Raymond Huxley - 2013-06-25 15:47

      That's because us Aussies actually use our brains and like to think for ourselves. We're not some thick farm boys who simply follow orders like neanderthals. No wonder the world think you Saffas are ret@rded!

      Brutus Mcgreggor - 2013-06-25 16:03

      At least they don't call us convicts idiot

      Louis Ferreira - 2013-06-25 18:49

      But it is true mate, Aussies are clever rugby players not like your Boks or Bulls teams that play kick..chase and hope rugby.

      Pj Andreas - 2013-06-26 04:20

      Being called a convict is just a bad joke, like calling you guys Dutchmen...

  • Kholekile Swartz - 2013-06-25 15:43

    Jake is trying very hard to gain favour with the Aussies for their national team coaching job...He is talking HOGWASH by saying Aussies are smarter than South African players.

      Raymond Huxley - 2013-06-25 15:46

      He has proof of his claims, Saffas are stupid. What's your point?

  • Jan Hendrik - 2013-06-25 15:47

    ja nee Jake that is why their cricket team and rugby players lack discipline. lack of loyalty.

      Jan Hendrik - 2013-06-25 15:58

      as in aus cricket and rugby players.

  • Nkululeko Musi - 2013-06-25 15:47

    Jake never undermine yr roots jus bcs u want the Aussie job.players in SA are just as curious and educated.

  • Raymond Huxley - 2013-06-25 15:49

    AND JUDGING BY ALL THE SAFFA COMMENTS HERE, JAKE IS 100% RIGHT!!!

      Brutus Mcgreggor - 2013-06-25 16:05

      Ah please, your trolling is pathetic you little weasel

      Honourable Doctyson - 2013-06-25 16:09

      Raymond, how many generations of inbreeding now?

      Raymond Huxley - 2013-06-25 19:27

      I don't know anything about your family tree. Sorry mate!

      Stephen Axtell - 2013-06-25 19:43

      If I say "mate" does that make me Australian. I am beginning to wonder how Australian Richard Huxley actually is. I love that pathetic Australian cricket team. The laughing stock of the cricketing world. All the resources but still produce rubbish players. Doesnt "Australia" mean "garbage" in Aboriginal native tongue.

      Raymond Huxley - 2013-06-25 19:44

      It's 'Raymond' you douche. No more brandy and coke for you!

      Stephen Axtell - 2013-06-25 19:58

      What idiot. Hello my name is Raymond Huxley and I am retarded. I hate South Africa but still spends all this time posting on their sports websites. I have zero life.

      Alwyn Geyser - 2013-06-26 09:47

      It is strange that you would follow a website of such stupid people? Stupid is as Stupid does...

  • Jason Hepple - 2013-06-25 15:50

    Yes they actually did... You go ask Francois Pienaar about that...!?

  • Jeandre Davel - 2013-06-25 15:52

    Gelukig het mens nie nodig om baie breins te he om rugby te speel en Nr 2 darm is ons speelers nie klomp alcohlics en ouens wat gereeld in trouble is nie. Rrg baie respek nou vir White verloor met die article.

  • Thabang Kotelo - 2013-06-25 15:58

    Its amazing how the kiwi and Aussie commentators,players,pundits and now a wanna be Aussie coach jake white keep saying year after year about how dumb,predictable,one dimensional our rugby is and yet we still put teams to the sword with our rugby.Yes we don't have the flair and our is not as beautiful as we would like it to be ...but what's our record against the so called clever guys?since we're so predictable to other teams especially the Aussies what does that say about them every time they lose against us??What happens to their 'intelligence'??Does it get dumber...?

      Anti-Hero - 2013-06-25 16:01

      Top comment, Thabang!

      Louis Ferreira - 2013-06-25 18:50

      But it is true mate, Aussies are clever rugby players not like your Boks or Bulls teams that play kick..chase and hope rugby.

  • Chris de Jager - 2013-06-25 16:01

    Sorry to say... but he is telling the truth. I have seen Australia AND New Zealand outsmart our teams before ... many times. We rocked up with a stronger team but in the end the Wallabies pull of the win & you will see in their running angles & structures & their off loads. I actually waited 10 years for someone to state this & Jake finally did. Im a bok supporter & i also believe in HM from the day he was appointed. HM loves speed in his backs & brutal forward attack & he does have the availability to lift the spirits in any team.

      Chris de Jager - 2013-06-25 16:11

      And please don't reply to me in an attacking mode. I have my valid opinion & im free to speak so. If you attack me i wont respond.

      Brutus Mcgreggor - 2013-06-25 16:28

      Chris, the Aussies have to be a wee bit cleverer in rugby as most of them play that silly Aussie rules rubbish, you know where you have to throw the balls through the posts to score and they wear these gay shorts ha ha, so only a small amount of convicts play real men rugby

      Louis Ferreira - 2013-06-25 18:53

      But it is true mate, Aussies are clever rugby players not like your Boks or Bulls teams that play kick..chase and hope rugby.

      Pj Andreas - 2013-06-26 04:28

      Lets hope there a changes in the boks to incorporate their power forwards but by playing with more cohesion with the backs. It really seems as though not much has changed in the springbok backline for at least 15 years... Straight hit ups, the occasional switch , the long kicking... I mean, aren't you springboks supporters just as tired of seeing this type of rugby as the rest of us? Lets how HM gets a kiwi assistant coach or at least someone from the outside to help transition... What do you SA supporters think?

      Steven Chiaberta - 2013-06-28 15:16

      PJ, I couldn't agree more. And Chris, it's only dumb idiots who insult you because they disagree with you, because they can't actually have an intelligent conversation - which is why your opinion is more valid than theirs.

  • Jean Malan - 2013-06-25 16:17

    Hold on people- Jake white caoches Sa U21 wins world cup- Caoches SA- wins world cup - Coaches Brumbies and turns them completely around to what looks like the best team and the only team to beat the british and irish lions. He is the best coach in the world and his stats are hard to argue with. If he feels that these guys are more open minded- dont see whats wrong with that. He did so much for us and remember- we stabbed him in the back by getting rid of him. Good for him where he is. and people who think that HM is the best caoch in the world- shut up- you clearly know nothing about rugby.

      Louis Ferreira - 2013-06-25 18:54

      But it is true mate, Aussies are clever rugby players not like your Boks or Bulls teams that play kick..chase and hope rugby.

  • Francois Kemp - 2013-06-25 16:20

    They want to do more than what is expected from them!? Aren't they satisfied with your coaching strategies?

  • Greg Page - 2013-06-25 16:28

    raymond huxley, u r a right twat! it was the south african teams that got him where he is ! the U19 and then the 2007 boks! there were NO australian teams involved then! so kindly pull yr head out yr a.....hole and see the bigger picture ya prick!

  • Greg Page - 2013-06-25 16:29

    CHRIS DE JAGER

  • Lourens M Hendricks - 2013-06-25 16:34

    Not one of the people who comment here have been a coach of the Springboks or The Brumbies,so Jake can make such a statement as he worked with players from both countries...Go ACT!!!

      Brutus Mcgreggor - 2013-06-25 18:30

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  • Greg Page - 2013-06-25 16:36

    CHRIS DE JAGER .... do you even live in this country? or did you run away with yr tail between yr legs cos it got to hot for you in the kitchen? indeed we have our faults, but we work at them, we try to rectify them, but we dont run away from our problems. we are proudly south african, atleast we are not SHEEPSHAGGERS !!!!

      Louis Ferreira - 2013-06-25 18:52

      But it is true mate, Aussies are clever rugby players not like your Boks or Bulls teams that play kick..chase and hope rugby.

      Michael Wilson - 2013-06-26 11:02

      You know, louis, when a comment is so insightful that you just have to repeat it multiple times? Your comment is not one of those.

  • Johan Hattingh - 2013-06-25 16:36

    And thats why they lost to the Lions?

  • Jason Hepple - 2013-06-25 16:36

    So brave with the comments Raymond... Me thinks your attitude would be mighty different if you happened to be standing in front of a Saffa. Right, so are you finished venting your angst over being an Aussie... Shame, looks like a bit of over-compensation!

  • Johan Hattingh - 2013-06-25 16:37

    Net suur omdat hy nie die Sharks job gekry het nie!

  • Grant Durban - 2013-06-25 16:40

    Are Aussie coaches also smarter Jake ?????

  • Bernard Villet - 2013-06-25 16:40

    That's not news we have always known them as dumb dutchman

      Brutus Mcgreggor - 2013-06-25 18:37

      You really don't like white people judging from all your racist remarks all over news24 forums. Personally I think you are a vile sick little old man who stalk your buddies' daughters

  • Anton Behrens - 2013-06-25 16:50

    Jake jou ma se pa se sussie se vissie!!!

  • Doug Bourhill - 2013-06-25 16:57

    Jake probably also thinks kangaroos make better Shealah's than women.

  • Issaskar Afrika - 2013-06-25 17:23

    Jake white verkoop gesig vir Robbie Dean se job as die coach,,,, traitor

  • Sboniso Gumbi - 2013-06-25 17:34

    We will be stupid if we dont beat Aust in every match this year.

  • Anthony Cowen - 2013-06-25 17:34

    That's really stooping anything to get the job as coach!

  • Pierre Van Der Walt - 2013-06-25 17:44

    Wonder why John was not interested in you. But this is a low blow keeping in mind we do not have the same selection freedom.

  • Stoney Steenkamp - 2013-06-25 18:35

    Die dumb d??s. Is omdat hy nie by die Sharks kon inkom nie.

  • Derek Chapman - 2013-06-25 18:46

    Haha, Jake has just explained why Aussies are such smart asses

      Louis Ferreira - 2013-06-25 18:51

      But it is true mate, Aussies are clever rugby players not like your Boks or Bulls teams that play kick..chase and hope rugby.

      Raymond Huxley - 2013-06-25 19:31

      Truth is, SpringRolls Rugby players are probably the dumbest bunch of in-breeders EVER to walk onto a rugby field. Jake is absolutely right on this one!!!

      Stephen Axtell - 2013-06-25 19:38

      If I say "mate" does that make me Australian. I am beginning to wonder how Australian Richard Huxley actually is.

      Raymond Huxley - 2013-06-25 19:45

      Again you alchi, it's Raymoooooooooond. Oh my, you really are a ret@rded Saffa!

      Stephen Axtell - 2013-06-25 19:57

      Again you are still an inbred piece of garbage Mate - see what I did there.

      Omnivore - 2013-06-25 22:20

      Don't feed the troll, Stephen. Whoever this guy is, he is utterly obsessed with SA.

  • Sybil Sharpley - 2013-06-25 18:54

    Mickey authur said the same thing and he got his ass fired