Gurus analyse Stormers attack

2012-05-23 07:50

Cape Town - Former Western Province coach Alan Zondagh and former Springbok centre Brendan Venter are of the view that the Stormers attack should improve.

Zondagh, also a former consultant to the Springboks, is worried that the Stormers will lack that much needed attacking element in an important game, while Venter feels they can be more clinical on attack.

Zondagh told Die Burger it is possible to be successful on the attacking front without neglecting a solid defensive system.

"They don't need to give up their superb defence. The foundation and structure are already there. However, they could add an attacking dimension in order to be more effective when the opportunity arises.

"The main aim is still to win. But I'm worried that the Stormers will find themselves needing such a dimension in a key game and then won't be geared for it," said Zondagh.

Zondagh, who was a scrumhalf in his playing days, doesn't like the fact that they constantly keep the ball amongst the forwards while attacking. "It's the safe option, but leads to nothing. Nothing happens to the defence. I feel a team is more dangerous if the ball regularly reaches the flyhalf so he can make a decision. It's not like the ball can't be moved back to the forwards."

He also feels the Capetonians should pay more attention to counter attacks. "The value of turnover ball is often emphasised because it's viewed as a try scoring opportunity."

And with dangerous backs like Juan de Jongh, Bryan Habana, Gio Aplon and Jean de Villiers, it's advice that coach Allister Coetzee and his coaching team should surely take note of.

Venter, the current technical director of English club Saracens, says Coetzee's game plan is spot on but the players lack the finishing touch when it comes to scoring.

"It's merely a case of the Stormers not being clinical enough when they get in their opponents' half. It's got nothing to do with their game plan. The plan is working brilliantly," said Venter.

He also feels that Schalk Burger and Duane Vermeulen's absence is proving costly. "The loose trio from last year were Schalk, Duane and Francois Louw. They are big guys that can carry the ball. The youngsters don't have that physical strength."


  • Tokolos - 2012-05-23 07:56

    And?....... The Tooth Fairy also exists!

      Franklyn - 2012-05-23 08:11

      yeah,but the tooth fairy makes more sense.

      René - 2012-05-23 08:17

      I seriously doubt that the Stormers will change their ways this late in the competition. They believe in one another and whatever they are doing defensively is working for them....BUT for how long??? The bodies are getting tired & the injuries are piling up. Whoever said the 'the youngsters don't have the physical strength" is talking rubbish IMO. It is the youngsters that have been putting their bodies on the line, week in and week out for their team. Cannot wait to be an 'impartial spectator' to the Sharks / Stormer game.

      Jonathan - 2012-05-23 08:45

      Tokolos it is strange how big your mouth is about the STORMERS. Your big mouth was very quite on the weekend when your Bullshi Bulls lost. Go CHIEFS

      Jonathan - 2012-05-23 08:49

      Yes the pink one OU TOKOLOS

      Saffa - 2012-05-23 08:58

      @Rene - you said last year that the Sharks were your '2nd team' - surely you will be throwing your support behind them?

      Dewald - 2012-05-23 09:33

      Analysing the Stormers game is like analysing someone sleeping!

      René - 2012-05-23 10:35

      @Jonathan, Tokolos' big mouth was very 'quite'? Quite what?? on the weekend??

      Nick - 2012-05-23 10:54

      Brendan Venter - a very wise, brilliant, rugby brain! Like Carel du Plessis - these men are rugby geniuses - especially in the art of backline play - either or both of these two should be the Bok backline coaches - or, at the very least - involved as technical advisors in some way... :)

      René - 2012-05-23 13:08

      @Saffa, don't you understand 'impartial spectator'? I have 2 Teams = one being the Bulls and the other one, the Bokke. I think you are once again confused.

  • Harold - 2012-05-23 08:08

    What attack?

      Stormkaap - 2012-05-23 08:16

      Somebody should deface you wif some paint

      Jonathan - 2012-05-23 08:48


      Jc - 2012-05-23 10:18

      @ Meastro: This reminds me a lot of how the Springboks played under Jake White, does it not?

      Lance - 2012-05-23 11:18

      @ JC...and Coetzee was his assistant..

  • Acta - 2012-05-23 08:11

    The 'gurus' are right defense and attack way to far apart, not clinical enough, but it seems to be working us and i believe the guys will step up to the plate in the next few weeks. Funny how they say the youngsters don't have the 'physical strength',cr@p!, think i have been watching a different tournament, and that not only goes for the Stormers.

      Lance - 2012-05-23 11:20

      Right now we are seeing maybe 10% less strength from the younger guys but Im sure more "run- metres" are being covered from not a bad thing.

  • Nic - 2012-05-23 08:25

    The pressure created by the media and the public is creating a mental block for the Stormers. Pretty soon they will start believing, if not already that they cannot score tries and severely affect their attacking confidence. I say pile on the pressure News24!!! A very interesting scenario would be if the Stormers were trailing and had to score a trie to win, the pressure would be unbearable for them.

      Saffa - 2012-05-23 08:41

      How do you know this Nic? Have you witnessed the Stormers chasing a game this season? Because I haven't. Just asking.

      Malcolm - 2012-05-23 08:50

      I don't think you have an idea what you are talking about. Mental block? Don't be ridiculous. LOL

      René - 2012-05-23 09:00

      @Nic, I recall one game where they were trailing, the Crusaders and we all know how that one ended!

      Pomene - 2012-05-23 09:07

      @Rene - Yes correct it was the only game and.................the only bonus point we earned being within 7 and not a bad performance at all at the time taking the fact that the Crusaders were champions on 7 occassions !! Like Saffa said - only time will tell let's wait and see !!

      Trav - 2012-05-23 09:10

      I believe that the Bulls were trailing last week's game as well. And we all know how that ended as well, don't we Rene.

      René - 2012-05-23 09:11

      @Pomene, nothing wrong when losing against a better team, esp the Crusaders. BTW congrats with your BP!

      René - 2012-05-23 09:24

      Ag ol' Trav, the Bulls have been trailing most of the games in this year's competition, but its not how you start now, its how you finish! Not so?

      Nic - 2012-05-23 09:29

      This weekend might just be the second time. Like I said, in the play-offs all the teams will drastically improve their defensive efforts and then it comes down to scoring ability. We all saw what happened to the Stormers last year in the play-offs in their own backyard (so much for top of the log...) and they are playing the exact same type of game this season with even less attacking ability. BIIIIIIIIG problem.

      Trav - 2012-05-23 09:32

      @ Rene, good comeback. I'll give you that one.

      Pomene - 2012-05-23 10:01

      @Rene - Thx for the congratulations - yes that will be the only one we require to get us our home semi-final !

      Johann - 2012-05-23 10:38

      Like it was for the bulls against the Highlanders?

      René - 2012-05-23 13:13

      @Maestro, no doubt! But you can win 16/16 and lose the final and then what? You can be 6th on the log come play-offs and win the competition. It's about winning the games that count and that would be the final. Nothing else matters then whether you had the most or least tries, were Conference Leaders etc etc. The next 2/3 weeks will be very interesting though. My team has a mammoth task come Friday. Sharks/Stormer game??? I don't know, I will enjoy the game though

  • Saffa - 2012-05-23 08:41

    Why on earth would they change anything? Games lost: ONE. This statistic says more about the teams we have beaten than what it does about the Stormers(considering we are supposedly so pathetic)....Now had we already lost 3-5 games, THEN the overboard criticism from all corners would be welcome. For now - it just makes the critics look stupid. I am keen to see what the team do though when we they DO have to chase a game. If we have to chase and then 'stuff' up - feel free to criticise folk, but until then - don't bank on 'what if's'. (It just makes you lot sound desperate....) Fact is at this stage: No-one knows how the Stormers WILL or WILL NOT react to all your comments = a combo of speculation and hoping.

      Harold - 2012-05-23 09:08

      You had to chase the game against the Crusaders. Anything else you'd like to add?

      Saffa - 2012-05-23 09:15

      One loss.....Harold. That is my point - if we had to chase 5 games, and lost all 5 - then you chaps can talk. We have lost ONE. So you can't exactly call it a TREND now can you?

      Jed - 2012-05-23 09:20

      Harold and we scored 2 tries when we needed to. Out scoring the Saders 2 to 1. They defended the last 5 minutes of the game? The same thing the Stormers do when we ahead, we defend our lead.

      Lance - 2012-05-23 11:24

      @ Harold...yes, one more thing.. The Bulls couldnt even chase the sorry Blues..........eish ~ !

      carlisle.kensley - 2012-05-23 11:44

      Point is STORMERS out perform any other team in any regard we carry the ball well and have the most phases when in attack which shows that we attack well and can keep the ball well, we defend the best everybody knows that, we how ever do lack the "killer" instinct and lack the finishing to reap the rewards of good attack and good defensive structure which in turn creates good attacking opportunities. We will start to score tries more often as all our structures are in place. Once we acquire the skills on how to finish effectively we will be a formidable force. bottom line stormers are the best team in the super 15 at the moment, stats dont lie. We just have to be patient and support them so that they get into a try scoring rhythm.

      thyronrambo.dennis - 2012-05-23 15:59

      Harold this is stormers domain mate you will always be outnumbered , stomerssss!!!

  • Schalk - 2012-05-23 08:43

    People will never be happy. 1. A team like the Lions wont complain if the win by kicking 9 penalties (like against the Cheetahs) and they will do this every week, so by winning every week (Like the Stormers) we should be happy?? Yes teams like the Bulls, Chiefs, Brumbies will be within a 2-4 point distance even though they have won 2-3 games less - B U T - If you keep winning (something that those teams wont do, as they will lose the occassional game - like this season) - You willl find yourselfs top of the log and i will always say - First secure the win and then worry about a BP...

      Pomene - 2012-05-23 09:02

      @Schalk - You're a wise man my friend !!!

      bernard.ingram - 2012-05-23 10:21

      If you look at the history of Super Rugby winners, they always score plenty of bonus points.

  • Malcolm - 2012-05-23 08:45

    It seems to be working for us, the game plan that is. BUT you cannot have your forwards as 2nd, 3rd, 4th receivers all the time. This leads to our back line having to do the clean out work and forming the rucks.leading to forwards being 1,2,3rd receivers again. We have the most exiting runners give them the opportunity to do so.

  • Pomene - 2012-05-23 08:53

    And Alan Zondagh is the coach of.......................????????????????????????? Where does he get the right to comment ?? Just asking ???

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-05-23 09:17

      They(news) ask them for an opinion and they gave it in such a way that you can clearly see that they are not negative, but pointing things out that they think can improve. Like I said, they were ask for a comment. Maybe you should read up on AZ if you wonder if he knows rugby and being asked gives him the right to comment.

      francis.titus - 2012-05-23 09:24

      Who gave you the right to comment.LMAO

      Pomene - 2012-05-23 10:04

      @DuToit - Thanks for the repsone - yes I am well aware of Alan's abilities as coach and guru - he after all also coached the WP once ? - If it was merely a comment based on a question - no problem then comment - everybody has an opinion !!

      Pomene - 2012-05-23 10:05

      @francis - I claimed the right to comment and you ?

  • BlouMasjien - 2012-05-23 09:01

    How can you improve something that doesn't exist?

      Trav - 2012-05-23 09:13

      Yea, I agree Bloumasjien, take your IQ for instance ..

      Saffa - 2012-05-23 09:15

      Well you just keep on winning......

      francis.titus - 2012-05-23 09:19

      BlouMasjien!! What a joke!!!

  • Saffa - 2012-05-23 09:20

    Anyway folk, I will be a little scarce the next few weeks (and I hear the jubilation from the Bulls contingent....) The Junior WC's rolling into town. Be safe (yes, that's you Harold - wear a condom), take care and enjoy all the upcoming rugga. GO THE STORMERSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS and Baby Boks.

      PienkMasjien - 2012-05-23 09:31

      @Reached your cap?

      Nic - 2012-05-23 10:16

      Self-proclaimed blog favourite. NO ONE CARES!!!!! BYE!!!!!

      hvanderlinde - 2012-05-23 10:31

      We'll miss you saf, enjoy!

      Paul Botha - 2012-05-23 12:20

      Thank god we don't have to listen to your senseless jibber for a few weeks!

      thyronrambo.dennis - 2012-05-23 12:47

      Nyc one saffa take care buddy!!!

  • Mark - 2012-05-23 09:53

    A team cannot win the Super15 on defence exclusively...

  • paul.ramncwana - 2012-05-23 10:02

    Don't change what is not broken. I think ppl need to get in to there heads it's our game that's the way we play. It might b boring bt it works, I will make example look at Greece ppl said they don't score many goals and they play a defense game and at the end of the day they won the Europe Cup. use it or lose it

  • Abie - 2012-05-23 10:13

    Come crunch time they are going to fail against big guns like the Bulls, Chiefs and the Crusaders. The Crusaders is anyway the only team that can win them consistantly at Newlands.

  • Greg - 2012-05-23 10:14

    At this stage of the competition, it will be about fewer mistakes and keep on winning (ugly if necessary). If the Bull beat the Chiefs, I would rest Stomer players for Sharks game to be ready for Bulls. If Bulls lose, I would go for the throat and try for a win over Sharks, then rest players against the Bulls. Go Stormers!

  • bernard.ingram - 2012-05-23 10:17

    The Stormers has always struggled scoring tries in the whole of their Super Rugby history. Why would it change all of a sudden?

  • Paul Botha - 2012-05-23 11:26

    There is nothing to analyse cause the papsakke can't play attacking rugby they only know how to defend !!

  • Roy - 2012-05-23 11:28

    Now they should analyse the Bulls Defence that should be a laugh!!!! Or wait? it wont be that tough because they dont have one!!!!

  • Stevemins - 2012-05-23 11:44

    I think the whole of South Africa is of the view that the Stormers attack should improve

  • Phillip - 2012-05-23 11:53

    Well, Brendon - I certainly don't want to be the one to test Eben and Rynhardt's strength. Might be the last thing I ever do. Maybe just stick to backline coach. Certainly the Stormers are not beyond criticism, but certainly we have had good glimpses of a highly promising 'attacking game' that is waiting to burst out from under the skin, and put an end to the spate of uncomfortably close results we have had to endure of late. Surprising as it might sound, it's simply a confidence thing. Apart from a few set piece attack drills which could be coached in, attack, like defense, is an attitude. There is more than enough attacking flare in all of our players, for the need to 'coach' the 'attack' game. The team needs only to 'cross a line' (sorry!) which is beckoningly close, for the floodgates to open. We will then be near perfect; a very good pack, unmatchable defense, and a feared attacking game. In the meantime, I'll carry on basking in the glory of knowing that in rugby history, we are unsurpassed in the endeavour of world champ try-butcherers. If only we could take a quarter of those that go a-begging, when we only have ourselves defending against us...

  • steven.webster26 - 2012-05-23 14:15

    I am far from being a rugby stats guru - however I find it funny that only one team has managed to score more in a game against the stormers due to 8 penalties and only one try against our two tries (where 2 seems to out ceiling) and the fact that a number of games are played in damp or wet conditions where the stormers in my mind have been wise to ensure that game plan has changed according to conditions and ensure the result is achieved - even if it means points may dry up a bit. and the fact they are doing this without their "power houses" due to injury - Jean and Allister and the boys are doing a fantastic job - I bet if we were at the bottom of the log - noone would be moaning about defense - it would be blamed on injuries! I say keep up the good work Stormers!

      PienkMasjien - 2012-05-23 14:25

      @steven,you 're far from being a rugby stats guru indeed!

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