Grant tops SA's kicking list

2012-06-29 07:48

Cape Town - Stormers flyhalf Peter Grant currently boasts the best goal-kicking percentage of the top South African flyhalves in Super Rugby.

Die Burger reports that Grant tops the list with a 91% success rate, with the Lions' Elton Jantjies second at 83% and the Bulls' Morné Steyn on 76%.

Steyn is the current Springbok pivot but had a dreadful recent Test series against England. His general play was also below-par but his goal-kicking - normally the strongest aspect of his game - deserted him badly in the series, which South Africa won 2-0 after drawing the final Test 14-all in Port Elizabeth.

Steyn was successful with only 12 out of 22 kicks at goal which ultimately cost the Boks an easy 3-0 series clean-sweep.

This will put pressure on Steyn to perform in the remaining Super Rugby clashes, especially with the Rugby Championship in mind. Goal-kicking stats alone cannot assure an automatic entry into the Springbok team but many believe it is exactly that which set Steyn apart from his peers in recent years.

Former Bok coach Nick Mallett said after the PE Test that if Steyn cannot kick his goals, his spot should be in danger as there are better flyhalves than him in South Africa.

Therefore Grant and Jantjies will be eager to shine in their clash at Newlands on Saturday, as the Springbok No 10 spot could still be up for grabs.

"There's no doubt motivation for them," said Stormers backline coach Robbie Fleck when asked about the duel between Jantjies and Grant.

"Heyneke (Meyer, Bok coacch) made it clear that Springbok spots could be played open before the Rugby Championship. Elton did well for the Lions and Bash (Grant) did well for us. Both will view it as an opportunity," said Fleck.

Steyn on the other hand will be eager to get back to form to fend off the challenge of Grant and Jantjies. He starts at flyhalf for the Bulls against the Cheetahs at Loftus Versfeld on Saturday.



15 Joe Pietersen, 14 Gio Aplon, 13 Juan de Jongh, 12 Jean de Villiers (captain), 11 Gerhard van den Heever, 10 Peter Grant, 9 Dewaldt Duvenage, 8 Siya Kolisi, 7 Don Armand, 6 Tyrone Holmes, 5 Andries Bekker, 4 De Kock Steenkamp, 3 Frans Malherbe, 2 Deon Fourie, 1 Deon Carstens

Substitutes: 16 Tiaan Liebenberg, 17 Brok Harris, 18 Quinn Roux, 19 Jebb Sinclair, 20 Louis Schrueder, 21 Burton Francis, 22 Bryan Habana


15 Andries Coetzee, 14 Deon van Rensburg, 13 Lionel Mapoe, 12 Butch James, 11 Anthonie Volminck, 10 Elton Jantjies, 9 Tian Meyer, 8 Joshua Strauss (captain), 7 Grant Hattingh, 6 Derick Minnie, 5 Franco van der Merwe, 4 Hendrik Roodt, 3 Jacobie Adriaanse, 2 Callie Visagie, 1 JC Janse van Rensburg

Substitutes: 16 Martin Bezuidenhout, 17 CJ van der Linde/Ruaan Dreyer, 18 Ruan Botha, 19 Jaco Kriel, 20 Michael Bondesio, 21 Waylon Murray, 22 Ruan Combrinck


  • harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 07:53

    All the kicks were from inside the 22, right in front.

      Tommy - 2012-06-29 07:55

      Just like Morne Steyns kicks last weekend.

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 08:01

      Listening over the radio can be misleading.

      lionel.kemm.9 - 2012-06-29 08:02

      And Steyn missed :):)

      Tom - 2012-06-29 08:11

      Just having a look at total kicks made in s15 this yr Peter grant Conversions: 9 Penalties: 22 Drops: 0 Steyn Conversions: 28 Penalties: 42 Drops: 3

      Tom - 2012-06-29 08:13

      So on that note, morne has had 100 kicks at goal Peter grant 34 Um ja well ...

      nicnac.nac - 2012-06-29 08:18

      Heyneke does not like Grant and there's a reason why he has never been selected for the Boks, not strong enough character and no presence on the field. Didn't Grant have one of the worst missed tackle stats in the S15 thus far? Keep on dreaming province mugs, Grant will NOT play for the Boks.

      wilnese - 2012-06-29 08:21

      At Tom that is because Morne played from the beginning and Peter Grant only joint in a later staduim this year playing for the stormers because of his japan rugby club.. Just admit is peter grant is far better than morne steyn!!!!!!!!!!!!

      tokolos.tokkie - 2012-06-29 08:21

      Stormers24 at their best again.... LIONS by 20!!! GO LIONS!

      Tommy - 2012-06-29 08:23

      What is the success rate?

      Tom - 2012-06-29 08:24

      First its 91% finish n klaar now it's cos he was where all washouts go, Japan. So by that token isn't it disgraceful with the few games he played he is tied 4 th for missed tackles 30 missed

      hvanderlinde - 2012-06-29 08:25

      Ok Tom, so by your logic, the more kicks you make, the more you are allowed to miss? Is that right, more or less?

      nicnac.nac - 2012-06-29 08:26

      Like they say: "Form is temporary, but class is permanent." Steyn is not in form, but is pure class, Grant is in form, but has no class.

      nicnac.nac - 2012-06-29 08:37

      @hvanderlinde any questions for Tom regarding Grants missed tackles record? Any comment? The closest to tackle training he gets is when his mom puts on a Clint Eastwood dvd for him while he tackles her couch pillows. Stupid squint.

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 08:42


      P.J. - 2012-06-29 08:51

      @Tom - are you really that f@#king stupid? If someone with a 76% record kicks a 100 kicks he only succeeds with 76 of them. If someone with a 91% record kicks a 100 kicks he succeeds with 91 of them. None of the kickers have ever had the same amount of kicks at goal , that's why they use percentages NUMBNUTS!

      Tommy - 2012-06-29 08:53

      PJ, Tom het met die klein bussie skool toe gery.

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 08:56

      Did you sit next to him, Tommy?

      Tom - 2012-06-29 09:03

      Perhaps bj, put let's not forget hair blower joe pietersen lends. Helping hand to grant when the kicks aren't in front of the poles. No matter how u try spin in, grant isn't great and u r not that intelligent because comparing a long stretch of time or a larger quantity with A smaller quantity will not be an accurate comparison. If that 91% kicker hits a lean patch around the 50 kicks mark, his % will come down. U need to compare apples with apples nd comparing a kicker who kicks from anywhere in his own half and beloved bash who kicks from 22m and closer in front of the sticks. Not so great. Goosen might be a better comparison to steyn. But hey I don't know why I feel I had to tell u that cos u r so intelligent

      Tom - 2012-06-29 09:04

      Impossible to have any kind of a debate on this site, and u wonder why we be trollin'

      stille.waters.5 - 2012-06-29 09:10

      @japjay - janee, jou naam moes eintlik yipyipyip gewees het soos die klein stoepk*kkertjie wat jy nou naboots. Steyn is pateties en hoort nie eens op die reserwebank te wees nie. Die tyd van om op jou vorige stats te probeer ry is verby. Dieselfde geld vir die bulle. Hasbeens.

      Lance - 2012-06-29 09:15

      Remind all...that Joe has been doing quite a bit of the kicking for the Stormers, not Grant, which surprises me. its not that Grant has missed kicks, he just hasnt kicked as many as Steyn..If Joe wasnt such a good 15 he would probably also be in the running to play 10..

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 09:58

      ''If Joe wasnt such a good 15...'' Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      jed.vonallemann - 2012-06-29 10:00

      Tom, you don't have a debate because you know nothing about rugby. The fact that the bull's supporters are telling us Steyn deserves his place in the Springboks squad regardless of how crap his playing Shows Bull's supporter know nothing about Rugby. FACT Steyn's place is under threat in the Bok squad. FACT the world is saying Steyn is playing crap. So it really does not matter what the Biased A-holes in Pretoria think.

      nick.armstrong.1800 - 2012-06-29 10:07

      @ Harold - you are the weakest link - goodbye! Morne Steyn is a useless tosser - past his best - finished! Has been useless all season long for that matter - he's had, at best, 2 good games for the Bulls this year. Peter Grant is streets ahead - as a flyhalf who can tackle, distribute, and run with ball in hand - AND kick his goals! Big-up to the PE crowd for booing Steyn last Saturday! Johan Goosen is our future at no. 10 for the Boks - a legend in the making - he will be the greatest flyhalf this country has ever produced. He's injured now - and in his place must step up Peter Grant (even Elton Jantjies). Pat Lambie must play 15 - the best fullback in SA - however - if we have a problem at 10 and Grant loses form (let's say) - then we could even play Lambie at 10 - with Joe Pietersen at 15. But "Absalom" Heynecke Meyer will no doubt select more of those Bulls tossers - BEATEN TWICE by the Stormers this year. How the f#ck - just how the f#ck - could he ever think that a straight-back-from-injury - Jacques Potgieter - would be better value for the Boks than a fully fit, match-fit, Heinrich Brussow??? Or Siya Kolisis - who is in sublime form at the moment. Duhh-Uhhh!! Potgieter was ineffective last Saturday - as anybody with a rugby brain (an unbiased one) would KNOW - to be expected from a player coming straight back from a long injury lay-off... Not even Dan Carter or Richie McCaw - upon their return - came back at their usual level of performance...

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 10:09

      Vallem, you don't have a debate because you know nothing about rugby. The fact that the Stormers supporters are telling us Grant deserves his place in the Springboks squad regardless of how crap his playing Shows Stormers supporter know nothing about Rugby. FACT Grant's place is under threat in the Bok squad. FACT the world is saying Grant is playing crap. So it really does not matter what the Biased A-holes in Mitchell's Plain think.

      stompies.hattingh.5 - 2012-06-29 10:17

      PJ, and if you played ONE game in a season and succeeded in all your kicks, then yoy have a 100% success rate. Be very carefull of statistics

      jed.vonallemann - 2012-06-29 10:26

      Harold, good post IDIOT.

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 10:36

      Ditto vallem.

      hvanderlinde - 2012-06-29 12:30

      Ai nicnac, do you want me to bring up the whole Naas thing again or are you conveniently ignoring it?

  • duncan.biyela - 2012-06-29 07:55

    Well done Grant keep up the good work! But what id like to see with those stats the amount of kicks he has had at goal as compaired to the other goal kickers??? He might hve 91% but what if he has had 30 less attemepts? Not hating, would just be interesting to see

      Tom - 2012-06-29 08:16

      100 kicks for steyn, 34 for grant

      aubsdebeer - 2012-06-29 08:18

      Good point duncan, if you go to you will see that Morne is no. 1 in most point with 193 points followed by Goosen in no. 4 at 145 then Lambie at 5 with 141 points. Joe Pieterson is at no 10 with 97 points and Jantjies is at . Then it is Peter Grant at 11 almost 100 points behind Morne. This article is just propaganda from bi-est Stormer supporter.

      Tom - 2012-06-29 08:30

      Well it's quite obvious that would be the case in general. Most kickers who have 100 shots at goal from varying positions due to the nature of tries being scored at Any point along the try line and kicks from all over the field, eventually things will calm down to a more moderate percentage, it's impossible for him to maintain 91% for another 70 kicks if he took more conversions and more penalties from all over the field without Joey pietersens help. But hey, this will not register with u because u have ur blue and white hoop glasses on

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 08:34

      Tom, don't even bother trying to explain.

      anwar.addinall - 2012-06-29 08:35

      Also impossible for Morne to keep his 76%. It will drop especially if the kicks are in front of in the Tests.

      Tom - 2012-06-29 08:43

      Anwar since when do they play rugby in Pakistan?

      duncan.biyela - 2012-06-29 08:47

      Thanks for that Tom that is what i wanted to see and it is logical. @ aubsdebeer its interesting to see where he is with the overall points stats

      Tommy - 2012-06-29 08:51

      Tom, actually, kicking stats tend to change less and less the more kicks you take. In other words, if Grant misses his next few kicks, his stats will change dramatically. However, if Steyn misses his next few kicks, the 76% will hardly change. Considering this very basic principle, then you realize 76% success rate is really not that good.

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 08:57

      Tommy, 76% is 76%. Your argument must be the most ignorant I've ever heard.

      Tommy - 2012-06-29 09:04

      You must be kidding me Harold. You can't seem to grasp this very simple logical principle. Think of cricket, the more games you play - the less your batting average will change. Whether you score a 100 or a duck your next game doesn't matter, the average will only slightly increase.

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 09:07

      Ok Tom, so a batsman who has played 5 tests and have a 60 average, is better than a batsman who has played 100 test and have a 50 average? Good luck with keeping that 60 average.

      Tom - 2012-06-29 09:13

      Tommy that is so stupid I can't even believe u said it. If bash missed the next 10 kicks at goal (hypothetically cos they all normally in front of the sticks) then his average is slashed to 75% not so good hey? Sorry but ur comment really is one for the books, the books of dumbest things ever said

      Tommy - 2012-06-29 09:14

      Statistical yes. Do you agree that the batsman with a 50 average will have to score much much more runs to get to a 60 average, than the batsman with a 60 average have to fail (in runs) to get to a 50 average.

      Richard - 2012-06-29 09:24

      As a Stormers supporter, I enjoy Grant. But you don't just replace someone after a couple of off games- else we would never have any consistency in crucial positions (we have seen where that has taken us before). Grant is not a Springbok, no matter how much I wish he was. Morne Steyn has proven himself time and again, and while he does have to pick up his nuts this season to avoid challenges from other more serious contenders (Goosen in particular when he is fit again), there is no one with the experience, track record or cool head that can fill the spot right now. Tom, a few less of the general "blue and white hoop glasses" comments would be appreciated considering the clear bias and lack of objectivity from other franchise supporters. The saying has something to do with stones and glass houses... and 42+28+3 does not equal 100, so let's not exaggerate to prove a point- weak form of argument.

      Tom - 2012-06-29 09:30

      Maths not strong in western cape, actually morne has had 92 kicks at goal, not 100, my mistake. That's kicks attempted, not made numb nuts. So before u start posting stupidities please think twice. 42+28 is 70 which when divided by 92, kicks attempted we get to his kicking percentage. So lets not be idiots to prove a point, idiot

      Tommy - 2012-06-29 09:34

      En: Bloubul devided by 0 = Tom

      Richard - 2012-06-29 09:34

      Tom, all I see is 92, 70, idiot, blah. I made a correct point. Don't get defensive because you are wrong. "Maths not strong in western cape"- dumb. If you are going to be on a high horse- make sure you are infallible, else you just look like the idiot.

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 09:38

      Thanks Bossie.

      Grant - 2012-06-29 09:44

      @Tom - sorry dude, but your logic is flawed! The more consistently you kick, the better you should become (its part of the reason why you dont chop-and-change your kickers). The more you kick, the more ACCURATE you should become. And just to point something out to you: Supposing Morne's first 34 kicks were at 91%, that means his next 66 kicks would have to be at less than 68% accuracy to end up with his current stats... and now around 50% for the boks (seriously - I'd like to know if there has been ANY other international flyhalf EVER who has only managed 12 from 22 kicks over a series...and they WERE easy ones!!) If, by your reckoning, the more he kicks the worse he gets, then I think his kicking days are just about done!

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 09:50

      Grant, ever heard of loss of form? It happens. True story.

      Grant - 2012-06-29 10:11

      @Harold - ever heard of a flash-in-the-pan? It happens. True story.

      Richard - 2012-06-29 10:16

      Grant, while I think it's great you are supporting Bash- calling Steyn a flash in the pan is a bit inaccurate. Lions tour was when, 2009? 3 years of epic consistency (bar half a season) doesn't qualify as "flash in the pan". True story.

      Byron - 2012-06-29 10:19

      to the select bulls supporters.... please stop showing the country how f*&king stupid u are... u really make it out that the whole of Pretoria is full of a bunch of arroogant and one sided province.... if wynand got a chance then Grant deserves a chance aswell.... u forget thats grants the one that kicked winning penalties against both the sharks and the bulls under high pressure.... u forget that Steyn has lost the bulls and the now the springboks both points and victories....grants kicking out of hand is not as good as Steyns but u can utilize Francois Steyn like Joe Peterson is utilized at the Stormers.... Also the whole missed tackles debate... u joking--- Bash is a much better defender than Morne... way better... he might have a shoulder niggle or something but you forget that bash can equally play at centre well and has held his own.... theres a reason why the stormers have the BEST defensive record... so the defensive pattern could make grant overun on the outside on purpose so that the inside man has him covered... in Summary... the only thing Steyn does better than Grant is kicking out of hand... thats it... for a bunch of supporters to be defending their halfback pairing that have lost the last 3 games to have such a big mouth is a joke....

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 10:21

      Richard, Grant's comment isn't a bit inaccurate, it is absolutely unbelievably stupid.

      Richard - 2012-06-29 10:41

      Rant of note there Byron. Inaccurate as all hell, though. As a huge fan of Peter Grant, not even I can begin to believe that he has the kicking ability that Morne Steyn has, out of hand or otherwise. This is a moot point- Peter is a good player for the Stormers, but is limited in his range and versatility. While I enjoy his style of play, as well as the guile he shows on the field, I'm not short sighted enough to claim we have a Springbok flyhalf in our WP midst- it's just not true. Defensive, attacking, kicking, otherwise. He as a package is not a Springbok. He is also not an answer going forward- so why not stick with the player that, other than the previous three games, has pulled us out of the fire on numerous occasions? This provincialism is pretty stupid when discussing the Boks, and makes most of us seem somewhat uneducated.

      duncan.biyela - 2012-06-29 14:23

      In any event Goosen and Lambie are the future maybe even Janjies, so for the intrum i think the Boks should stick with MS, form it temporary, class is permanet. Grant is a Great Provincial and Super Rugby player, but much like Olivier just does not have that extra something for international. And im not a Bulls or Stormers supporter, but a supporter of rugby!

  • wilnese - 2012-06-29 07:56

    Now why??? is my question if Peter is better than Steyn why dont they choose him... We all can see Peter is far better than steyn in everything??? did morne ever score a try for the bulls this year?? Peter Grant is a best flyhalf and he plays good rugby!!!!!!!!!!! stormers for life

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 08:02

      Because he suck otherwise.

      wilnese - 2012-06-29 08:23

      Did morne steyn ever scored a try this year in the super rugby??????? No morne steyn sucks and thats a point... he cant kick to safe his life!!!!!!!!!! admit it peter grant is better

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 08:26

      I'm not sure he wants to kick to safe his life.

      maakdiebulle.almalbokke - 2012-06-29 08:36

      Yes Morne Scored a trie,don't forget that The Bulls backline scored more tries than the stormers as a team

      maakdiebulle.almalbokke - 2012-06-29 08:41

      he can't tackle to save his life, and ball distribution is a foreign concept to him.

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 09:41

      Lance, last week somebody said that his name was 'Bash' because of his shyness or something. I think, that one day some oke told another oke that Grant's nickname is Bash, and it snowballed from there, with everybody giving his own explanation of what it actually means.

      maakdiebulle.almalbokke - 2012-06-29 09:49

      @lance,Yet, the statistics tell another story

      john.edwards.733450 - 2012-06-29 09:51

      Lance maybe he should go in less hard and more accurate . He's one of the worse defenders in SR. So yes , he can't tackle

      Lance - 2012-06-29 09:54

      @ Maakdiebulle...Kicks are clear for all to see so stats count there..tackles or missed tackles is possibly open to debate..Grant plays 10 for the Stormers in a busy tackling channel..and we all know what team has the best defensive stats in the Southern hemisphere...The Stormers.

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 09:59

      Lance, they also have the least cups.

      marius.olivier.7 - 2012-06-29 10:04

      Yes Wilnese, Morne did score a try, but the real stat thats defines the better flyhalf is that the Bulls backline have scored 24 tries this year compared to 16 by the Stormers backline and most of those Stormers tries were from individual efforts by Habana and Aplon , where Peter grant did not even touch the ball in the movement leading up to those tries, whereas Morne played a huge part in most of the Bulls backline tries

      Lance - 2012-06-29 10:07

      @ Harold..The apst is a nice place to wander..the presnet and future a little scary hey ? The Stormers on the up these days. Great game your team had against the Blues in 2012 by the way..pity they lost :-)

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 10:11

      Lance, the Stormers have been on the up for 11 years. - 2012-06-29 11:27

      Everyone referring to Peter Grant's defence being weak because of the missed tackle stats should really not read too much into it. First of all it does not say how many tackles were made by the player so if someone has 100 tackle attempts and miss 10 then that player will be rated as a better defender than someone with say 300 tackle attempts and 25 misses??The later would have a better tackle ratio but we dont see that in the stupid stats so rate the first guy as being better.So if all of you are saying that Grant should not be picked just because of his defensive stats (which i pointed out are flawed) the francois hougaard, willem alberts and Jp Peterson should also not be picked seeing as they missed the same amount of tackles and Alberts even more than Grant. End of the story is Grant should have been given a chance seeing as he was the best fly half this season behind Goosen on current form.

      john.edwards.733450 - 2012-06-29 11:48

      yes it is in the stats .. its not rolled up but you can go look at the individual players in the individual games and see how many they made and missed .. and no grant is not running around like a mad man making more tackles than other players in SR . Alerts had one of the best records in 2011 and was out for a long time .. HM obviously believed he would come good and he did in the two tests he played. All the others you mentioned bring something to offset the poor defense .. Grant brings little. not end of story - 2012-06-29 13:02

      @Random dude Agree that all the other players mentioned brings enough to the plate. My problem is that Grant has more to offer on current form than Steyn does. Better kicker, much better attacker, more aggressive and does not kick away most of the ball.Steyn is not on form so give the man a break and let someone like Grant have a chance to prove himself.If Grant was a bull you would have agreed with me.

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 13:16

      Stormer, ''much better attacker''? That explains all the tries the Stormers backline has scored. - 2012-06-29 13:38

      Peter Grant season tries = 2 Morne Steyn season tries = 1 There you go, plus Peter Grant actually attacks the gain line.Its not Grant's fault that the team is not scoring tries its the game plans fault and so far that game plan is working, boring at times but working nontheless. - 2012-06-29 14:03

      Yes Steyn scored against England, not part of the super rugby season, if Grant was in the position Steyn was in that springbok game(if he got a chance to play) he would also have scored so counting that try as void in comparison.I'm pretty sure he had a couple but cant find stats on that and i'm sure Steyn would have had more due to the Bulls scoring more tries overall not Steyn being better in anyway.Don't want to keep on arguing on who is better, all i'm saying is give Grant a chance and let him show everyone what he is capable of while Steyn works on getting back to form and while Goosen is off injured as he deserves atleast a shot.

      john.edwards.733450 - 2012-06-29 15:57

      "Better kicker, much better attacker, more aggressive and does not kick away most of the ball' .. better kicker in close currently, yes . Much better attacker , why , because he scored two tries ? Morne doesn't kick way half the balls?You leave out a few very important things to consider when selecting a FH . Rugby smarts , ball distribution, tactical kicking - 2012-06-29 16:04

      Yes we may just have lost or we may just have won we wont know as he did not get a chance, i reckon we would have won though, 91% goal kicker would have been handy in this series :) - 2012-06-29 16:15

      @RandomDude lol yes i left out those three sorry, i don't think you have any leg to stand on defending Steyn this series in all three of those categories..Tactical kicking was poor, ball distribution was worse and well rugby smarts falls under the category of decision making and that was average at best.Steyn had a bad series and is off form, Grant could not possibly have done any worse seeing as he is on form.Steyn on form is a great player but thats not the case and you cant argue with that.Play the players on form and not on reputation otherwise we are going to have the same old problem over and over.

      john.edwards.733450 - 2012-06-29 17:48

      Well I have to disagree. His tactical kicking was good in the 1st 2 tests as was his distribution and decision making . As for your , he kicks away most of the ball : Kick /pass/run 1st test : 6/16/6 2nd test : 10/22/7 Last test : 10/20/8

  • victor.windsor - 2012-06-29 07:57

    Why was he left out of the team ????????

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 08:03

      Because he's useless.

      anwar.addinall - 2012-06-29 08:03

      Wrong colour boots. Must be half pink.

      jason.children - 2012-06-29 08:11

      yeah 91% is very useless, how dare he even set foot on a field! And 2 tries in a team thats battling to score tries.............holy moly he should take up tennis.................................Herold Tsak! :)

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 08:14

      Maybe he can try Gridiron.

      hanjo.overes - 2012-06-29 08:21

      Blue, how many opportunities has Grant had to make that step up?

      wilnese - 2012-06-29 08:36

      Because HM is obsessed with his Pink aga Blue bulls.. he doesnt see talent he only see bulls!!!!!!!!!!

      paullouis.louw - 2012-06-29 08:40

      Same reason Potgieter was chosen over Kolisi. Olivier over De Jongh. Basson over Aplon. Kirchener over any other fullback. Because the coaching staff is biast bull. Grant owns Steyn, in terms of class anyway.

      Tom - 2012-06-29 08:43

      Maybe in terms of facial hair

      Tom - 2012-06-29 08:45

      How about the fact the stormers have scored next to no tries and so it is impossible to see what the stormers back line can do. If they lack ability to score in s15 how will they do at test level? Oh and stormers back line only Jean devilliers is over 6 foot

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 08:45

      Paul, dude, there are more Sharks than Bulls in the team. We've been over this and over this and over this and and and.....

      john.edwards.733450 - 2012-06-29 10:11

      Because we don't have a need for him. His hit rate doesn't look all that great when you consider the difficulty of his kicks .. who do we ask to kick when it's more than 22m out ?

  • lionel.kemm.9 - 2012-06-29 07:58

    Should have been given a go in the Boks games against the Poms....wait we are gonna hear about his defensive stats that are not so great from our friends from up North. Answer me this,was Naas in the Boks for his defensive efforts???

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 08:04

      Seriously? Don't even compare. By the way, Naas could kick more than 10 meters out of hand.

      jason.children - 2012-06-29 08:06

      Lionel dont worry about those defensive stats! We are a team that is happy to give ball away and tackle and tackle until the other team make a mistake! The stats are not how many as a percentage he missed, just how many! Im sure if you look at tackles attempted he is way way ahead of the others. He also scored 2 tries and kicked a victory for us on 2 occasions after the final whistle! Solid player and he deserves a shot!

      duncan.biyela - 2012-06-29 08:07

      You cannot compair Grant to Naas. Naas's ability to dictate a game was amazing, his kicks out of hand were great and he had an ability to put his centers in gaps. Do your self a favour, get hold of some old test and currie cup matches and you will see Naas when need be was no slouch in Defense. And i dont even like the Bulls

      maakdiebulle.almalbokke - 2012-06-29 08:08

      How dare you compere Grant with the great Naas Botha, the Golden Boy of world Rugby ;)

      lionel.kemm.9 - 2012-06-29 08:11

      Not comparing at all Raven,Naas was a joke when it came to defense,ran almost half the field trying to avoid it. @Jason,morning,if HM took those Blue glasses off now and again Grant would get a chance but we all know that will never happen.His well rested now and the Stormers need him.

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 08:15

      Stormers need him to assist with the annual final hurdle choke.

      Tom - 2012-06-29 08:33

      Only 34 kicks at goal. Yes because he was in Japan. But then 30 missed tackles. Yes because he was in Japan

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 09:08

      Raven every foreigner is big in Japan.

      Lance - 2012-06-29 09:21

      @ Raven...if its all baout kicking stats, Grant could very well be comparable to Naas....All the stats gurus, get out your woven gold rugby books and please tell us what Naas' kicking stats were ? ??

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 09:42

      But Lance, Naas could kick further that 10 meters.

      Lance - 2012-06-29 10:11

      @ Raven..ofcourse we want more of the best players in the country in the National side...The Stormers are ready to start winning in the Green and gold. PS: If you read and watch tv you will know that Naas rates Grant and thinks that he should get a chance and be closer to the Bok set like they say, "dont shoot the messenger"(me).

      cap.mor.5 - 2012-06-29 10:15

      So Jason, What you're saying is that the more tackles you make the more chance you have of missing one or two. hmmm ... you didn't seem to grasp this very basic concept of statistics earlier when you were bashing Steyn's kicking stats. Just goes to prove that in the land of the blind, the one eyed monster is king. Western province supporters on this blog are the worst in the world. You are all an embarresment to South African rugby. Please start a webpage for you lot to carry on and on and on about how wp has a better player to replace every Bulls player in the springbok squad. You chaps are so obsessed about this that you have not even realised that it is the business, sorry, choking end of the season for you lot. Enjoy the next 3 weeks and hope to see you in the final at Newlands.

      john.edwards.733450 - 2012-06-29 10:24

      Lance, grant only takes the easy kicks .. a fair comparison would be to disregard all the kicks Grant wouldn't take form the other kicker's numbers so that you're comparing apples to apples . Naas didn't hand the ball to a backup when the kick was difficult.

      jason.children - 2012-06-29 10:28

      @Cap.Mor you are an idiot.............i cant believe what i just read! Steyns Stats are as a percentage!! It doesnt matter how many kicks he has taken, its the percentage he kicks!! Bash has missed 30 tackles, thats not a percentage its a number! If he has completed 150 tackles for example then missing 30 is not so bad!!! You need to go back to school and read the pictures you imbecilic moron.

      jason.children - 2012-06-29 10:31

      Oh and Mor its "in the land of the blind the one eyed MAN is king" the one eyed monster is that tiny thing between your legs.................FOCUS!

      Lance - 2012-06-29 10:43

      @ Random...Grant takes the difficult kicks..hes not taking anything easy. Why bother giving somebody a free kick ? Grant is the accurate one...

      jason.children - 2012-06-29 10:46

      @Raven, its because he battles with anything outside 45meters, but you already know that and are just stirring! It doesnt stop the fact that he is playing good rugby! And at the moment he deserves a shot! However if Morne gets his kicking right over the next few games then this whole conversation will be mute!

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 10:49

      Jason, you didn't answer Raven's question.

      john.edwards.733450 - 2012-06-29 11:03

      @lance the Stormers don't hand JP the ball when it's outside about 30 m ? Those are the difficult ones ?.

      Tom - 2012-06-29 11:12

      Lance and Jason obvs don't watch the games

      cap.mor.5 - 2012-06-29 11:30

      Oh dear, I give up trying to get through to these fools. Good luck harold. I don't have the patience for blatant stupidity.

      lance.elliott.3914 - 2012-06-29 15:14

      Whew, my screen is steaming up from all the tense Bulls something to do with the reality that they don't know how they they will beat the Cheetahs tomorrow without a decent kicker ? Sensing the end of the road guys ? Brussouw is hungry and he will be digging all the balls out tomorrow...

  • Boereroo - 2012-06-29 08:00

    Don't think Grant is the answer. Boks need a young 10 to build for the future and Grant may only have two more years in him. Goosen is the man and maybe Lambie on the interim while Goosen is still injured. However, they prefer him at 15 which only leaves Jantjies. HM will probably keep the status quo and pray that Steyn will somehow perform again

      jason.children - 2012-06-29 08:08

      Pushing Lambie from pillar to post is a huge mistake! Leave him at full back! Grant can cover for now with the aim of bring Goosen and Pollard through!

      Neutedop - 2012-06-29 08:10

      As a Stormer, I have to agree. Grant is not the answer - and his line kicks comes up short. Goosen and Jantjies have 8-10 years of rugby in them. Now we will hear that HM will not use Jantjies because of lack of experience, but when he had the chance, he did not give him experience. And (according to HM) he did not play him on Saturday, because there was too little experience on the field in the last 20 min???? Jean de V, Wynand, Habana, JP and Aplon was on.....

      Gregory - 2012-06-29 08:12

      Why is Jantjies the last option? Doesn't he deserve a chance after Steyn if Lambie is at FB?

      Lance - 2012-06-29 09:25

      Grant to start, Goosen and Jantjies can fight for the bench....let Pollard do some S15 duty before making him look like 'Bambie in the headlights' by pushing him straight into the senior Bok side.

      Grant - 2012-06-29 09:47

      Just wondering why they didnt show Lambie's kicking stats in the article? I'm pretty sure he's over 80% for the sharks this season??

      john.edwards.733450 - 2012-06-29 10:32

      "Grant to start' .. Great ! Who's going to kick when it's more than 22m out then ? .. Bambie , RP ? Great! .. why do we need Grant again ?

      Lance - 2012-06-29 10:45

      @ Random..Any Bok supporter knows that the other talented Steyn is our long distance kicker.

      john.edwards.733450 - 2012-06-29 11:11

      I'm not talking 50+ meters out more like 22 - 40 . Still FS ? .. fair enough .. then why not let him kick everything

      Jco - 2012-06-29 23:42

      @Boereroo, I agree with you, Grant is not the answer, look at the NZ franchises, they bring young first five's (10) to play the game. When PdV was the coached, he also refused to use Grant for the Boks. Grant is playing for some years now, if I am correct. He was a Sharky as a youngster, moving to the Cape. I know many think that Morne is Heyneke's favourite but can you remember when Deryck Hougaardt was with the Bulls during HM coaching days, he hardly choose Morne. This past Eng series Heyneke uses some players as he know provincialism and the SA crowd, I believe you will see new faces after the Super 15. Goosen, Lambie and Jantjies and Pollard is in his view.

  • mvw74 - 2012-06-29 08:03

    Go Grant punish the Lions this weekend!!!!! Show HM what you made of!!!!

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 08:06

      Skin, bone, flesh. Nothing special.

      mvw74 - 2012-06-29 08:08

      harold who do you support?

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 08:15


      anwar.addinall - 2012-06-29 08:16

      He doesn't have to prove anything to anyone. 91% is enough proof................for the objective among us at least. At 91% he does his job. In SA however, 76% is better than 91%. Bulls maths.

      mvw74 - 2012-06-29 08:18

      So then leave the super rugby comments to those teams that can play rugby

      tokolos.tokkie - 2012-06-29 08:27

      Lions by 20. GO LIONS! Just run hard at Grant's channel and make him tackle every 5 minutes. The wholes will appear soon enough and "wonder boy" will be found wanting. We all know he cannot tackle my paraplegic grandmother if she runs at him.

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 08:27

      But the Valke can play, just not very well.

      mvw74 - 2012-06-29 08:31

      Ok harold good luck to your team then...

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 08:36

      Thanks. Watch them this year.

      frans.visserdsb - 2012-06-29 08:41

      @Tokkie - the 'wholes' will appear? wow - that will be magic to see. I will be watching out for the appearance of the intangibles. I doubt if anybody will win by 20 at Newlands this weekend - looks like a really bad weather forecast. so, uhm.. ja...

      Lance - 2012-06-29 09:28

      @ Tok...they must run at Peter "Bash" Grant's channel ? He didnt get that nickname by tackling like fairy...

      maakdiebulle.almalbokke - 2012-06-29 09:52

      @lance, not according to the stats

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 10:12

      Raven, I nearly fell of my chair.

      Lance - 2012-06-29 10:15

      @ Raven/Maak.. Ps:Peter Grant is the guy that plays in the best defensive backling in S15 rugby.

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 10:23

      Lance, the worst attacking one as well.

      Lance - 2012-06-29 10:48

      @ I said above..tell that to Naas who rates him that Peter Grant isnt worth a shot. I thought we all agree that Naas knows something about rugby or are we the experts ?

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 10:57

      We are

  • Wesley - 2012-06-29 08:03

    there must be something bout Grant that the selectors just dont like :-/ but hey. as a Stormers fan, i rate Lambie to be the future in that position for SA. just an opinion

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 08:06

      They don't like anything. Just an opinion.

      jason.children - 2012-06-29 08:12

      Goosen and Pollard will be the future in that position! Lambie should stay at fullback!

      Tom - 2012-06-29 08:35

      Yes they dontlikehow he kicked 91% in his handful of games for the stormers, oh no it was probably the 30 missed tackles in the same games oh doh

      Lance - 2012-06-29 09:31

      @ Wesley...its very considerate for you to be thinking about the future of SA rugby...but right now we need an instant 10 solution and Grant is it. Lambie is younger so lets use the mature guys that are peaking now and keep our youthful players close-by with a view of saving them for the future.

      Tom - 2012-06-29 09:42

      Please illustrate how Peter grant is peaking. Please show me

      Lance - 2012-06-29 09:57

      @ Tom...You tell me Tom..How does 91% sound to you ?

      Tom - 2012-06-29 10:39

      Ok so he is an NFL kicker but we can't bring him on only to kick and them leave the field when normal play resumes

  • peter.britz1 - 2012-06-29 08:05

    Bah! Get over it Stormers supporters. Grant is as limited as Steyn is. So he kisks well Booohoo, so does about twenty other players. Point is Grant is not the solution building towards 2015. He creates even less than Morne Steyn, so why should we replace one mediocre player (at the moment) with another one? Flyhalves going forward should and will come from Lambie, Goosen, Pollard, Zeilinger, and the Jantjies brothers. Popgun Grant, with Boks all around him, couldn't buy tries on a wholesale special! Plus he misses tackles a dime a dozen. The Stotrmers may top the log, but that doesn't make Grant a superstar!

      mvw74 - 2012-06-29 08:13

      I agree as a Stormers support but we talking about super rugby now. Clearly according to his stats he deserves credit dont you think peter?

      lionel.kemm.9 - 2012-06-29 08:13

      Is Morne Steyn the solution to 2015,I dont think so!!Grant is playing better rugby than Steyn at the moment and deserves his chance. Goosen IMO is 2015 No.10

      jason.children - 2012-06-29 08:13

      you need to start watching rugby and not only get your information grom these pages!

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 08:22

      Yes Lionel, Peter is the future. He is a month younger that Steyn.

      tokolos.tokkie - 2012-06-29 08:30

      Jantjies is streets better than Grant man

      Tom - 2012-06-29 08:37

      Close to 100 for steyn 34 for grant, along with as many missed tackles

      jason.children - 2012-06-29 09:08

      So Tom Francois Hougaard and Willem Alberts should also not be in the Bok team! Hougie has missed 30 tackles and Willem 31!!!

      Tom - 2012-06-29 09:20

      Dude we r talking about flyhalves wtf Is wrong with u

      jason.children - 2012-06-29 09:44

      Tom dont be so narrow minded, im trying to show that missing 30 tackles doesnt mean sh1t, unless you know how many tackles he attempted! So having a go at him regarding that is like having a go at the other two which i wouldnt do because they are great players!

      cap.mor.5 - 2012-06-29 10:23

      Jason, please see my previous comment. You are certainly not the brightest of light bulbs are you. But hey,, there is nothing wrong with Cape Town. It is a truly beautiful place. It's just full of Cape Tonians. pity.

      Tom - 2012-06-29 10:42

      Looking at his percentage of kicks means sh1t unless we look at how many attempted and comparing against similar quantities. Do u know Jc Jansen van rensburg from the lions kicks at 100% this season?? Why is he not in the team!,!,!,!.?...?...?....?.?.?.?...?

      john.edwards.733450 - 2012-06-29 10:50

      Alberts was one of the best defenders in 2011 SR . HM believed in him and was correct to do so . EJ also has a piss poor record on defense but he brings something to offset that , very good ball distribution and an ability to break the line , a running attack. Grant brings bad defense , bad distribution and is not even a real answer for goal kicking .. what happens when the kick is more than 22 m out ?

  • dgrobler1 - 2012-06-29 08:23

    He is simpy not good enough!!! Get rid of him and put Grant or Lamby in, then you will see sparks...

  • Ashley - 2012-06-29 08:24

    100 kicks for Steyn you'd think with all that he'd be able to convert simple kicks at test level....pathetic

  • Kykweer - 2012-06-29 08:30

    Steyn had a shocker in the third test along with 90% of the team and his kicking was shocking in all three tests, but does anyone have the stats to back up the fact that his general play was lacking all series?\r\n\r\nAlso where are the stats for the super 15? Compare steyn to grant in tackles made, tries assists hell even who passes the ball more. Grant has been brilliant off the tea but he is keeping the stormers back.\r\n\r\nThen compare those stats to johan goosen.\r\n\r\nIf the stormers had goosen I'd have no doubt they could seriously challenge... But they don't.

      mvw74 - 2012-06-29 08:38

      Kykweer: then surely HM should of giving someone else a shot for the third test. Who knows maybe we could of won by 3 points?

      Kykweer - 2012-06-29 08:44

      I agree, HM could at least have given elton a run and jean should have given a kick to ruan instead of kicking the ball into touch when we had a kickable penalty.

      mvw74 - 2012-06-29 08:49

      Agreed anyone of those players who were selected whould of done the job better than Steyn. Grant is on form with his kicking in the super series so he also deserves credit.

      Kykweer - 2012-06-29 08:55

      Grant has been immense off the tea, but he wouldn't have transformed how poor the rest of the team were, in fact in areas where he has been poor like giving the backline even a little space could have cost us the first test I don't know.\r\n\r\nPoint is steyn should at least be a 90% kicker, and he wasn't so he should have been dropped. But grant would not have been an improvement.

      mvw74 - 2012-06-29 09:13

      Who knows its too late now but Grant was not selected anyway, what about the others who were? Surely they would have done better?

  • stephen.axtell.7 - 2012-06-29 08:34

    I laugh out loud all the people trying to defend Morne Steyn. You have got to be retarded or a Bulls supporter to keep thinking he is good, oh wait...

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 08:37

      I laugh out loud all the people trying to defend Peter Grant. You have got to be retarded or a Stormers supporter to keep thinking he is good, oh wait...

      Tom - 2012-06-29 08:47

      They can't defend Peter grant cos he can't defend against opposition players

      Kykweer - 2012-06-29 08:51

      No logical person can deny that steyn wasn't worthy of a springbok in this series, he is there to kick and he didn't perform. But the article is sensationalist at best, especially the way Goosen was left out who has been on a completely different level to anyone else, even jantjies has been better than grant in the lions team! Grant behind the stormers back should be dominating every facet, yet he either kicks the ball away aimlessly or runs into players.

      Tom - 2012-06-29 10:44

      Handing out soap in the showers

      Tom - 2012-06-29 10:46

      And it's funny how everyone in ct wants hm's head but look what he did with the two polisie perd wings habana and pietersen in such a short time. They r the first to say world xv and how well habana is playing now butbcredit where it's due, hm deserves some

  • WernerZA - 2012-06-29 08:39

    One thing about grant... He has a weak boot! Steyn would actually attempt 40m kicks... Grant not so much... If he did, that % would drop drastically. Wish I had a chart to see where all grant's attempts was from.

      Tom - 2012-06-29 08:48

      Ed zakiri 100000%

      jed.vonallemann - 2012-06-29 10:15

      Wish there is a chart to show what kicks Morne is missing, most of them are right in front.

  • tyrone.hunt85 - 2012-06-29 08:40

    one of those unsung heroes of south african rugby. I believe he is reliable and consistent. Hopefully he gets a go.

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 09:52

      He's a unsung something.

  • mvw74 - 2012-06-29 08:43

    Stormers by 20 points the Lions don't have the players in their squad to improve their current stats.

  • MichielvanderSchyff - 2012-06-29 08:45

    Funny how everybody is screaming Goosen. I would never play a flyhalf that misses 30% of he's tackles no matter how good the rest of hes stats is.

      MichielvanderSchyff - 2012-06-29 08:59

      Here are the stats from the super 15: Player / games / minutes / tries / points / runs / run meters / tackles missed / tackles made / kicks / kicking meters. Morne steyn / 13 / 1005 / 1 / 193 / 21 / 129 / 5 / 120 / 134 / 5406 Elton Jantjies / 11 / 831 / 0 / 92 / 52 / 414 / 10 / 68 / 54 / 2017 Pat Lambie / 11 / 840 / 1 / 141 / 41 / 340 / 14 / 75 / 81 / 2531 Johan Goosen / 9 / 579 / 3 / 145 / 52 / 522 / 21 / 45 / 78 / 2901 Peter Grant / 12 / 884 / 2 / 94 / 65 / 347 / 16 / 102 / 82 / 2896

      mvw74 - 2012-06-29 09:09

      Michael bear in mind that out of those 12 games that Grant played he was only used when they went on tour.

      wilnese - 2012-06-29 09:29

      Ja even when Peter Grant was playing they didnt use him!!!! THINK!!!!!!! domkop

      MichielvanderSchyff - 2012-06-29 09:36

      @Mvw74. Peter grant only came on as sub in one of those games, want to see the detail stats go to the link below. here is a link to the kicking stats of all kickers in super rugby.

      cap.mor.5 - 2012-06-29 11:03

      Interesting. Strange that the stompies don't have anything to say. These stats are probably way above their mental capacity to understand.

  • shakes.tshabala - 2012-06-29 08:52

    Firstly, it's simple mathematics Morne kicked 100 times compared to Peter's 34 as mentioned, meaning Morne  missed 66 kicks. It is true what someone said, Heineken don' t like Peter Grant, I can imagine because he is a Soutie and not a Mielie Strong.

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 09:00

      What is a Mielie strong?

      Kykweer - 2012-06-29 09:01

      Your Mathematical skills is about as pointless as us knowledge of the name of the bok coach and maybe a possible drinking issue.\r\n\r\nMissed 66 kicks out of a 100 equals 76%? Nice

  • juan.nel.184 - 2012-06-29 08:55

    he he. Percentages are always funny if you do not add the number of kicks that was taken. If you believe in stats then for the English Tour Morne will have 54.5% and Francois Steyn 0%. 0%!!!! Jip he missed all his kicks.

      cap.mor.5 - 2012-06-29 11:04

      You cannot divide by 0. Give fancy pants a break.

  • ruhan.vandermerwe - 2012-06-29 09:00

    Bulls fans trolling early in the morning

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 09:05

      Are you new here? You should know better by now.

  • Tom - 2012-06-29 09:01

    Perhaps bj, put let's not forget hair blower joe pietersen lends. Helping hand to grant when the kicks aren't in front of the poles. No matter how u try spin in, grant isn't great and u r not that intelligent because comparing a long stretch of time or a larger quantity with A smaller quantity will not be an accurate comparison. If that 91% kicker hits a lean patch around the 50 kicks mark, his % will come down. U need to compare apples with apples nd comparing a kicker who kicks from anywhere in his own half and beloved bash who kicks from 22m and closer in front of the sticks. Not so great. Goosen might be a better comparison to steyn. But hey I don't know why I feel I had to tell u that cos u r so intelligent

      wilnese - 2012-06-29 09:14

      Well wat happend to Morne Steyn in one of his matches he was standing infront of the pole but still he KICKED missed... That is an epic fail... HM is gona see his ass.. Pieter De Villier gave everyone play time dispite of there coloured... ill choose div anytime over HM...

      Tom - 2012-06-29 09:24

      Of course u would ur stupidity level is clear for everyone to see

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 09:54

      Winese, the Boks have a white coach now. Deal with it. Go join the Crusader Park fan club.

  • wilnese - 2012-06-29 09:07

    JOKE!!! Morne Steyn stap in kleed kamer en se " eks so kwaad ek kan my eie gat skop" Jean de villiers draai om en se "moeni try ni, jy gaan hom mis skop".

      mvw74 - 2012-06-29 09:10


      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 10:40

      Captaincy for dummies. If plan A fails, try plan B.

      lance.elliott.3914 - 2012-06-29 14:41

      No Blue..with so much Bulls management around, Jean was probably too scared to send of the Blue Bull golden boy(of yesteryear) because he probably felt Spies would then miraculously be captain next week..

  • Deon - 2012-06-29 09:32

    Dat so n bra nie springbok speel nie............ ma nou ja

  • David - 2012-06-29 09:51

    Tom, why don 't you try writing a novel -- a rubbish one. You've certainly got materal galore in this comment column !

      Tom - 2012-06-29 10:51

      U know I tried talking rationally but instead I have had to resort to trolling because stormers don't speak rational they only speak troll village idiot dialect

  • jean.rossouwsa - 2012-06-29 10:09

    The fact is this Morne is a Blue Bul and THAT is your problem. When ex Stormers coach played John Smit after his sell-by date week after week nobody screamed, but now IT IS A BLUE BULL! and that we all know is like throwing petrol on a fire to you Stormers supporters. No10 is 1st a rugby player and not a kicker. Why cant no15 kick? even John Eales kicked for Australia. Blue Bull Hater sindrome is the name of the game!

      rohann.olivier.1 - 2012-06-29 11:57

      What? Almost everybody screamed that Bismark must be in John's place.

      frans.visserdsb - 2012-06-29 22:53

      uhm... Sorry Jean. I don't think Pieter De Villiers was ever the stormers coach... He was assistant coach to WP in 1998, but then coached the Falcons, which forms part of the Bulls franchise...

  • stompies.hattingh.5 - 2012-06-29 10:11

    And how many local games did Grant played this year? He is pitched as the next wunderkind, but that Greek guy (grey moment) is a far better player in all respects!

  • viva.lebok - 2012-06-29 10:12

    Ha ha ha. This is the best joke of the century. In that case I will be the best kicker in the world by only take the kicks within my own 22. Grant is a useless kicker and it is because of his poor kicking that he does not play for the Boks, and his useless defence.

      jacques.duplessis.3785 - 2012-06-29 10:29

      You are so correct!all grant does is line up the kicks within the 22m line and only if its right in front!if any further or abit to the side pietersen has to kick!leave grant in the currie cup or even better japan!

  • donovan.hendricks.7 - 2012-06-29 10:18

    Morne Steyn is good flyhalf,but he needs a break to readjust and get back his confidence,Peter Grant will not let any bokteam down,the stormers super15 log position is all the confirmation one need,regardless of what all the pink,liefling singing bulls supporters say.The real problem is Anneke Meyer,trust me he will leave in disgust and shame same as his afrikaner predecessors have,I've said it before and ill dare say it again,never before has an afrikaner coach brought glory and honour to a bokteam since readmission,cos all they brought was provincialism,division and stampkar rugby.

      donovan.hendricks.7 - 2012-06-29 10:47

      Blueraven make no mistake,Morne is still my first choice,I did not say Grant is the answer,but he will not let the boks down,he has big match temperament and one again I must refer you to the super15 log.

  • luke.sportify - 2012-06-29 10:25

    Peter Grant will never play for the Boks, maybe he should try play for Japan

  • jed.vonallemann - 2012-06-29 10:28

    Morne "Boooooooooooooooo" Steyn, I loved booing that Loser, you should have seen his pathetic face when he left the field. Next on the Boooooo list is Meyer, when he chooses Steyn again.

      jed.vonallemann - 2012-06-29 10:34

      We do it when there is a biased selection. If you dont like it PISS OFF.

      jacques.duplessis.3785 - 2012-06-29 10:37

      Go learn rugby my man u don't know anything,go watch some soccer!useless you really are and I bet u think u know what u talking about hey??

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 10:41

      I bet you wouldn't boo Bieber.

      jed.vonallemann - 2012-06-29 10:42

      Know more about rugby than your hole family puppet. Another Morne supporter, his kuk DEAL WITH IT.

      jacques.duplessis.3785 - 2012-06-29 10:45

      Valem you know nothing my man:)I'm sorry to break it to you!habana,de villiers?what are they doing there?clearly form means nothing?morne is pure class go learn some rugby

      jed.vonallemann - 2012-06-29 10:47

      Habana never single handily cost us a game, Raven. Show me someone outside Pretoria who supports Steyn.

      jed.vonallemann - 2012-06-29 10:55

      Go look at the Rating's on Rugby 365 for an Unbiased opinion. Jacques , as I said name 1 person outside Pretoria who support's Steyn. Class? Class does not miss from 20 meters out. Steyn is finished DEAL WITH IT. De Villiers better centre than any Bull.

      jacques.duplessis.3785 - 2012-06-29 10:55

      Hahah how many people outside pretoria can say they have 3 SUPER RUGBY titles?vallem maybe invest in morne steyn and u too may one day win a trophy shame my man losing rubs off on some people?its totally fried your brain!you will win one one day I know it!hang in there!send me your address I wanna please send you rugby 101 to read up??

      jed.vonallemann - 2012-06-29 11:02

      Hey Jacques go look at the Super 15 log Muppet, Do you think you lad's will be making a Play off any time soon? LOL What happened last time we played you LOSERS?

      jacques.duplessis.3785 - 2012-06-29 11:08

      Vallem the log means nothing?look at province last year?u guys can't win a semi at HOME the log means nothing!atleast u guys have got a vodacom cup?no bmt to win the cup

      orrinf8 - 2012-06-29 12:02


      stephen.axtell.7 - 2012-06-29 12:04

      Do I need a slide show or type slowly for the Nulle. V L O U N U L L E C U R R E N T L Y H A V E Z E R O T R O P H I E S

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 12:12

      Stephen it looks like an eye-test if tou ask me.

      orrinf8 - 2012-06-29 12:41

      very lame Herald, but then again, coming from you we can't expect any better ..

      frans.visserdsb - 2012-06-29 22:55

      Harold, who is Bieber, and what does he have to do with this article?

  • robbieyvonne.hutchison - 2012-06-29 10:29

    Every1 knows Morne Steyn is useless. He missrate is gob- smacking but yet he still wears the Green Jersey. He can't kick out for touch @ crucial times, He misses tackles offers nothing like Mallet says wrt running an attacking line, WP have Grant, Pieterson, Catrakilis

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 10:42

      What's your point?

      Tom - 2012-06-29 11:06

      Mallet, yes he is the definitive authority much like tank lanning

  • James - 2012-06-29 10:46

    Retaining Steyn with his present kicking form is like giving the oppostion 10 points. Kicking aside, is he so much better than the other flyhalves that he is worth his place? That is the decision the manager has to make.

  • justin.hemming.94 - 2012-06-29 10:52

    Uh, hello. You forgot Pat Lambie - He's on 80% of which, far more conversion attempts from the angle than Grant. Lambie also has most line breaks out of the flyhalf contenders. Moron Steyn comes last in every single statistic - and that with a Bulls team thats doing well. Time for change Mr Meyer - even if it means bringing back straight arm Butch I'll be happy!

      cap.mor.5 - 2012-06-29 11:15

      Jusin, please see stats posted by 'MichielvanderSchyff'. You may learn something. Then please come back here and comment. or ... alternatively ... shut up and fork off.

      justin.hemming.94 - 2012-06-29 11:29

      I did - what those stats don't show are line breaks, offloads, line break assists, tackle breaks, steals etc. Go look these up for yourself, then make a rational comment. What is the point of looking at no. of kicks and kicking meters? This is not gaining grounds.

  • orrinf8 - 2012-06-29 10:59

    DAMN, you bull supporters ARE sour people .. it's high time that you people realise that you have a kuk team with kuk players .. go and work some more on your 5 year plan 'building phase' (what a joke) and actually learn to play rugby .. THIS IS OUR YEAR TO SHINE, BECAUSE WE BELIEVE IN OUR TEAM AND THEY MAKE US PROUD TO SUPPORT THEM AS THEY ARE HEAD AND SHOULDERS ABOVE YOUR BULL LOSERS .. SSSTTTOOORRRMMMEEERRRSSS 4 LIFE

      cap.mor.5 - 2012-06-29 11:16

      Choke time. Don't get too happy too quickly

      orrinf8 - 2012-06-29 11:21

      come what may (read properly), I am EXTREMELY PROUD OF MY TEAM, THEY DON'T DISAPPOINT ME !!

      Kykweer - 2012-06-29 15:18

      Well a 5 year plan is a lot more effective than 10 years... Well 10 and counting.

      orrinf8 - 2012-06-29 15:51

      'building phase' ?? - our STORMERS do that pre-season, every season .. that's it with blue bull mentality: EXCUSE after EXCUSE after EXCUSE .. can't wait for HM's next excuse for picking another USELESS bulls player to play in the Green and Gold, should almost be as funny as his 'combinations' chirp...

      frans.visserdsb - 2012-06-29 23:00

      Jeez... I have noticed something today. All the Bulls supporters on here are trolling using fake profiles. Whereas most of the Stormers supporters are not afraid to show their real profiles/names. Maybe we should be afraid... they know hat we look like, and where we live... lol

  • David - 2012-06-29 11:19

    Tom and Harold.lloyd, pse go and co-author a bog (yes bog not blog) book on the finer points of rugby debate. There is enough crap in your combined comments to fill a tome.

      Tom - 2012-06-29 11:34

      Thanks Dave Good idea

      harold.lloyd.520 - 2012-06-29 11:53

      What do you think, Tom? I think Dave has got something.

  • Jco - 2012-06-29 23:54

    Grant was born in Durban, schooled at Maritzburg College. In August he will turn 28 years. Since 2007, had 5 capps for Boks, which include the reign of Jakes White. In 2010 - 2011 season he went to JAPAN! He played 23 games for the Kobelco Steelers and then returned to Province. Like 'meisiekind' he went off to Japan. For the last three weeks I read with interest what people said about players moving to Japan but it is okay for Grant who did that and now he must be a Bok. Double standards! He started with Province since 2004. Guys, his time is also over, bring in the young guys!

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