Grant the new Bok No 10?

2011-03-31 22:04

Stephen Nell

Cape Town - The Stormers view Peter Grant as their unsung hero and if he maintains his current form he may well be rewarded with the Green and Gold this year.

This is not the view of someone inside the camp, but the appraisal of Springbok coach Peter de Villiers himself.

Grant is not among the contracted players announced by De Villiers this week, but the Bok coach is keeping an open mind about any player who might potentially add value.

“We want to go and win the World Cup and you can’t do that if you’re stupid! If someone is playing the way Peter Grant is at the moment and I ignore him, why do we bother with these kinds of games?” said De Villiers.

“If he maintains this kind of form, there is a good chance that he will be at the World Cup (in New Zealand in September). But he’s not the only one and there are other guys that are also playing well.

“The other side of the coin is that some players realise that it’s a long season and are pacing themselves. For example, Fourie du Preez is the best scrumhalf in the world, but is currently only operating at 20% of his ability. He is still controlling games. Just think how good he will be when he’s at his best!”

Grant last wore a Bok jersey against Australia in Perth in 2008 and then he was a substitute for Butch James. The latter may well be one of a number of experienced and talented players that stand between Grant and the Bok jersey.

Like the rest of the Bulls, Morné Steyn has not been in good form. However, you don’t just discard a man who has notched a points record against New Zealand and clinched the test series against the British and Irish Lions with a long-distance penalty.

Then there is still a young star like Patrick Lambie to keep in mind. He is still on the injury list this week and will not play for the Sharks against the Stormers on Saturday.

However, if talent alone is taken as a measure, Lambie may probably be ahead of all the other candidates.

The flyhalf position has often been a problematic one for South Africa in the modern era, but there are now numerous strong candidates for the Boks’ No 10 jersey.

Grant will therefore have to continue playing well to be a contender.

Stormers coach Allister Coetzee praised his flyhalf in the wake of the victory over the Western Force.

“He is our unsung hero. There is maturity in his game and his decision-making of when to kick and take the ball wide is good. He also kicks well at posts and his kicking out of hand has also been good.”

Grant has slotted 30 from 36 kicks at goal for the Stormers this year and a success ratio of 83% is what is expected of a kicker at test level.

How much longer then before Grant is rewarded for his form? After all, he was also good last year.

“Let’s not talk about the Springboks now. It’s still a long time before the World Cup,” said Coetzee.

At least Grant now knows for sure that De Villiers is watching.


  • Radrodent - 2011-03-31 22:20

    He has been playing good and for once I have to agree that he will not be a bad choice if he is able to remain in form.

  • vicj - 2011-03-31 22:31

    April fool joke

      Howzitekse - 2011-04-01 12:52

      Correct. The comment about Windmill Du Preez being the best scrumhalf in the world gave the game away.

  • Kyle - 2011-03-31 22:40

    His one flaw is that he never relieves pressure with long touch finders very rarely kicks from try line to 10 meter line always keeps stormers in their 22

      Whoosa - 2011-04-01 05:43

      Very good observation kyle got to agree. Hes a good kicker of the tee and good defender. Does not offer much on attack nor kicking out of hand. good solid season, nothong special though. But the door is open at 10, Morne out of form and lamby a bit up and down for me at the moment. His kicking lacks and not enough experience to be starting. Great prospect for the future though! If Grant keeps hes form he might be wearing the 10 come wc time. Kicking for poles is of utmost importance, we have to select the best in form kicker at goal comes wc. WC are not won by flashy backline moes etc. 3 point is the difference between winnig and loosing!

      gooinat - 2011-04-01 07:02

      Thats why I would then play Frans Steyn at 15 for the Boks and Grant at 10,Steyn can release the pressure with that booming boot of his.

      Corrie - 2011-04-01 07:51

      @gooinat...So each time there is pressure Grant should first pass to Frans to relief the pressure?????can't see that working out to well...

      thumper - 2011-04-01 07:59

      Rather kick it out than 60m straight ito th hands of the opposition to launch a counter attack

      gooinat - 2011-04-01 08:00

      @Corrie,read this very slowly then you might understand,if F Steyn stands in the deadgoal area or the 22 for that matter,the scrumhalf can pass the ball directly to Steyn and he can release the pressure,where you come with the ball to be passed to Grant and then to Steyn.

      boyd.lance - 2011-04-01 08:16

      I agree with Thumper. The most important thing about kicking in a pressure situation is to actually find touch...the distance thereof is secondary.

      Wynand - 2011-04-01 09:57

      @Gooinat - I wouldn't pass to Frans Steyn close to the try-line under pressure, he tends to give away charge-downs. He might launch the ball a mile, but takes to long to kick for a first receiver.

      Kaapie - 2011-04-04 11:22

      Gooinat.. Aplon has a big boot for a small man and offers much more on attack than Steyn

  • GraemeBB - 2011-03-31 22:50

    We have a few 10's to choose from. Peter is looking awesome. Patric Lambie is also looking good, but Grant is just so good this year. I dont like the idea that Butch is still in the mix - he is over. He is an injury risk. Morne hasnt played well, and his kicking has been average. Again, still too early to pick a bok team. Fourie was mentioned - what about Sorel Pretorius? That guy has been a real live wire.

      boyd.lance - 2011-04-01 08:18

      Sareltjie has been brilliant over a long time! Unfortunately there won't be a spot for him though. There's Du Preez, Pienaar as well as Hougaard

      Kaapie - 2011-04-04 11:26

      Hougaard still has to play @ scruhalf this season therefore it has to be Pretorious

  • Aribs - 2011-04-01 00:40

    Go for it mate...if he keeps his form and keeps getting better for the rest of the season he deserves a spot

  • mike - 2011-04-01 05:01

    I don't believe Grant has what it takes to be a Bok 10. His BMT has proved to be suspect last year but as Div says, long season to go so if he can hold it together we can talk later. For now his playing good rugby but the true test is yet to come. Morne is playing kak but he has already proven he can handle the test areana.

      GHT - 2011-04-01 08:23

      I think Grant has the BMT. You can't blame him for the final losses of WP and Stormers last year. He didn't play for WP in the currie cup and the Stormers lost the final against the Bulls at the breakdowns, I doudt any flyhalf in the world would have made a difference.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-04-01 08:29

      @Mike - the MAIN GRIPE you have with Peter Grant, is that he doesn't play for the Bulls...... The Bulls can't all be Boks mate - come to grips with it. PS: Morne has never been a happy traveller with the Boks - he can never replicate his form in SA overseas......fact.

      boyd.lance - 2011-04-01 08:32

      I would disgaree that he lacks BMT...he missed last year'c curry cup final. Can't remember if he played in the Super 14 final though

      mike - 2011-04-01 16:31

      Ah Saffa problem with you is the opposite, you don't want any Bulls to be Boks and my SA side actually isn't as biased as I bet yours is. At least I figured out now why you dislike WO and Spies so much and its pretty sad but lets just leave that one there. You the one on this site constantly crying about the Bulls players and labeling the Stormers the best ever, sad thing is its a WC year so messing with the Bok side too much has proven in the past to be a disaster. You don't make huge changes to your core come WC year even if they battling for form at provincial level, go check the history books on how that works out.

      mike - 2011-04-01 16:32

      oh and regards Grants BMT, he hasn't proved he has it yet. Doesn't matter which game he did or did not play, the one were he got a chance he fluffed it but as you said that was the entire team.

      GraemeBB - 2011-04-01 18:33

      @Mike - agreed. But dont single out SAFFA, although his obsession with Vermeulen is getting tooooo much.

      Rob - 2011-04-04 12:51

      Mike. I agree. Grant needs to prove himself this season then I'll happily back him at 10. He can only kick at goals, offers little o nattack and can't clear decent distance from his own line. A concern. But let's see how he goes. The other option, Lambie, i worry he is too young and inexperienced jsut yet.

  • Whoosa - 2011-04-01 05:35

    April fool........??????????

  • worling - 2011-04-01 06:06

    Hope this isn't an April Fools joke!!

  • Marc Flowers - 2011-04-01 06:56

    April Fools. Might as well play John Smit there.

      MrMojoRising - 2011-04-01 09:12

      You kidding? This guy beats Morne STAIN hands down.

      Supersmurf - 2011-04-01 10:13

      Morne Stain?

      Hannes van der Linde - 2011-04-01 13:41

      HAHAHA, Ja, Morne Stain

      MrMojoRising - 2011-04-01 13:42

      Yeah, Stain. It's a play on words. Nevermind.

      CliffBradley - 2011-04-01 13:56

      MrMojoRising : How can you expect ALWYN KRUGER to understand a play on words ?

  • Durasmart - 2011-04-01 07:01

    “We want to go and win the World Cup and you can’t do that if you’re stupid!" Does this mean that the village idiot has already conceded that we are going to lose?

  • RobCT - 2011-04-01 07:23

    Pity it is April 1st, because actually many believe that Peter is an outstanding no 10 and deserves to be there. His positional play is far better than Steyn, Jantjies and Lambie combined

  • Claude - 2011-04-01 07:23

    Despite the many childish comments that appear in these forums Grant should have been in the mix last year and if he is recognised now it will be because of a long period of excellent play that shows his class. The best three centres in the country are used to playing outside him and he is an integral part of Super Rugby's best defence - this makes him an ideal contender.

      kultovazazl - 2011-04-01 07:39

      Morne is static in the field that the only to get his backline moving forward is via the predictable up and unders this is reason why grant doesn't have to kick the ball out of his 22 all the time because his vision and running lines are so brilliant that he can can organise his backline with such fluidity. look at morne last year at the tri nations how many tries did the backline score, not a lot if i remember correctly the forwards outscored the backs and guthro was the leading SA try scorer.

      boyd.lance - 2011-04-01 08:34

      Agreed. Hadn't even thought of the outside centres as being the bok pairing...makes perfect sense over and above his own form as a player.

  • molefeP - 2011-04-01 07:29

    Can only be 2 choices for Flyhalf. Morne Steyn and Peter Grant. Lambie is a brilliant prospect for the futur. But nowhere near the experiance yet!

      gooinat - 2011-04-01 07:41

      Morning Molefe,my opinion I would play Grant at 10 although I worry about he's kicking for touch when trying to release the pressure he's got loads of experience and deserves a chance,if Frans Steyn plays 15 let him release the pressure with that boot of his,I say give Grant and Vermeulen a go in the tri-nations and see what happens.

      Mark - 2011-04-01 08:24

      Errrm... Morne can't play rugby and Lambie makes him look like a prop.

      molefeP - 2011-04-01 10:32

      @Mark, dont just make stupid statements. If you have an opinion then air it. but at least give some substance? You sir must be one of those rabid provincialists. Look past that and you will see that While young Lambie has a tremendous amount of talent. He has never been exposed to the kind of pressure that he will undoubtedly face in an international. Yes, Morne looks crap at the moment, because he is being put under pressure because his pack is not performing. Yes, Grant looks good because the Stormers are givving him time to play. What do you think makes Carter so brilliant? In two years or so, Lambie MUST be the Springbok fly half. For now he needs to come on later in the game to gather experiance. Say around the 60 minute mark.

      Kaapie - 2011-04-04 11:30

      Molefe, if Steyn looks crap presently and so does FDP because of their pack then they have to sort that out quickly. Frankly my opinion is that the hallmark of a class player that even if the pressure is on it appears that he always has time to execute. Presently I dont see it with Morne and Lambie seems to have all the time.

  • Marx - 2011-04-01 07:30

    Won't be able to handle the pressure, Lambie has a long way to go but is more talented, which means, Steyn is numero uno !!!!!!!!!! The wooden spoon goes to........Grant!!!

      Mark - 2011-04-01 08:25

      Steyn... hope you mean Frans Steyn because Morne is k@k

      RobinB - 2011-04-01 09:19

      Do you know what you are talking about son.. go play outside monkey

  • Supersmurf - 2011-04-01 07:35

    Grant will never take Morne Steyn ,s place as the Boks no 10,,,,

      JohnnyBB - 2011-04-01 08:01

      ......Peter Grant is overrated.. .....just like tortoise Duanne Vermeulen.... ...and Baby Aplon... .....and has-been Banana...

      Mark - 2011-04-01 08:26

      That's only because PDivvy is coach... I think if any other coach could have Morne they wouldn't bother taking him. The only reason he used to look good is because their forwards always dominanted.... not the case anymore and now his lack of rugby skills is showing. He sucks my balls

      cheetahh - 2011-04-01 08:40

      wel vir n klomp hasbeens het die stormers julle gatte lekker geskop op - Loftus nogal. As die Bulls deur n klomp hasbeens opgef#$# is dan se dit nie veel van die bulls se talente nie. dink eerder 50% van bulls span is hasbeens. Maar dit wys ook nou weer die mentalitiet van die bulls supporters. almal praat oor Rugby sake hier en dan sal die dom donners nou hier van die kantlyn af inkom en klomp snert kom skryf.

      cheetahh - 2011-04-01 09:12

      superdom, niemand stry teen die feit dan Morne damn goed was n jaar of twee gelede. hy het baie wedstryde vir SA gewen, maar die feit is hy is nie meer op form nie. Nes Habana ook paar jaar terug puik was en nou uiters swak speel is Morne se spel nie na wense nie. As ons die WC wil wen moet ons spelers kies op form.

      RobinB - 2011-04-01 09:20

      @JohnnyBB and Baby Aplon himself tackled the SH*T out of that show pony of a Spies that all of you from Danville think is the next best thing to that stuff you drink flou brannas and coke dont forget your brown bread hey

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-04-01 09:47

      These Bulls fans are sounding more and more like ANC supporters...sigh. The truth is in front of them...kicking them in the face to be honest - yet they refuse to see. The brain (or the lack of one) is a great tool for blocking out the reality biting you on the ankle.....yap yap oh thee on board the sinking ship.....

      mike - 2011-04-01 16:37

      Would be dumb to change the 10 jersey when Morne has proven he has what it takes. There's no time left to experiment with options like Grant. If they were seriously considering him for a Bok position they would of selected him previously. Saffa you the one constantly pressing forward with the same issues, like listening to a broken record, doubt you actually know the game half as well as your cronies give you credit for.

  • Allin - 2011-04-01 07:41

    Is this perhaps an April Fool's joke?

  • Supersmurf - 2011-04-01 07:47

    This must be an April fools joke,,,,,o and happy birthday Sif kat

  • rugby_guru - 2011-04-01 07:52

    Ja look Lambie will be Bok 10 long before Peter Grant, fact not fiction. You can't compare the two, Lambie far exceeds him, up until before Lambie hurt his finger, he was highest points scorer in Super Rugby, he dominated Currie Cup... So lets rather select players who can win at that level.

      Supersmurf - 2011-04-01 08:01

      Stand in line Boet Morne will be back as no10

      GHT - 2011-04-01 08:18

      Your most points scored argument is completely wrong. Lambie had more points before he broke his finger, but as it stands now, Grant has 83 points and Lambie 74. The Stormers already had 1 bye and Grant didn't start against the 1st game against the Lions. So Lambie had more playing time. But I like both. I would choose Grant with Lambie on the bench, but I doudt that divvy will go along with that, so unfortunately 1 of them will have to drop out to give a spot for the seriously underperforming Steyn.

      rugby_guru - 2011-04-01 08:40

      @GHT, I would chose grant over Morne Steyn, as he is the biggest joke to rugby this year.

      Supersmurf - 2011-04-01 08:57

      Guru no my friend ,,,calling yourself the Rugby Guru is the joke of the year,,hehehe

      rugby_guru - 2011-04-01 09:14

      come now supersmurf, how old are you with that nickname, 6? please let the big bois talk rugby, didn't your worry teach you, little kiddies can be seen but not heard.

      vdwjasper - 2011-04-01 10:02

      GHT, Grant only came back for the Stormers for the last few minutes of week 3. At this point, even with Lambie injured, Grant has played two less games but still has scored more points...

      Dave-the-bul - 2011-04-01 13:09

      @SuperSmurf correct Morne will be back and will be wear the number 10 jersey Rugby WC 2011 @rugby_idoit again please change your name! as SuperSmurf said: you a joke and calling yourself rugby_guru is a bigger joke!

  • Martin - 2011-04-01 08:00

    i think sports24 should ask for Jakes opinion

      rugby_guru - 2011-04-01 08:04

      Yes that sounds like a great idea, lets put Skalk in, LOL... Thank goodness that has been has not coaching us, he is more clueless these days than PVD.. Facts is facts and the last comment he made on sport24 showed how much he actually knows about the current rugby in our country... He said to play Spies? Are you kidding me!!! That oke is the biggest joke to the Bulls squad, the only problem is Ludeke doesn't have the brains Plumtree has to drop someone (like Smit has been) because there are better players... The bulls are trying to live a moment that is highly outdated... Hey why don't we bring Naas to play for the boks again? He used to be great at kicking? PLEASE!

  • One Faith - 2011-04-01 08:02

    April fools LMAO!!

  • NommerEen - 2011-04-01 08:05

    why not use all of them?...we are used to see players playing out of position...;-)

  • Hunter 008 - 2011-04-01 08:09

    APRIL FOOL !!!

  • boyd.lance - 2011-04-01 08:12

    Great publicity to the good form of Peter Grant can only help his cause!

      gooinat - 2011-04-01 08:22

      Springbok call up will help him even more:)

      boyd.lance - 2011-04-01 08:37

      We can only hope that P.Divvy is serious

  • MaLemmer - 2011-04-01 08:13

    MUST be another April Fool's!

  • bill - 2011-04-01 08:20

    Huge mistake.He is simply not international class and will be exposed.Like Francoise Louw , and a few other WP pretty boys he will disappear on the field against good opposition.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-04-01 09:49

      @Bill - they are pretty boys aren't they? Jealous?

      Corrie - 2011-04-01 10:28

      Sjoe wouldn't you like a night out with the boys hey SAFFA but think it is a thing you have like the crush you call him meisiekind an Spies

      mike - 2011-04-01 16:38

      Exactly my thoughts Corrie - the truth is out.

  • Mark - 2011-04-01 08:23

    It is amazing how many of you stare into a brick wall... Grant is the best at the moment. But who are we kidding. I know for a fact that PDivvy is only saying this to shut every one up. He has already chosen his side to take to the WC bar injury.

  • - 2011-04-01 08:27

    Grant for the number 10 Jersey , Steyn has been Shocking this year, as have all the Bull's player's. Any one who see's different know's F all about rugby.They have been Hammered twice this season.

      Supersmurf - 2011-04-01 09:18

      Losing By 7 and then by 10 ,is not called a hammering in modern rugby ,Granted Steyn s kicking were poor in thore games but now he is suddenly useless and not worthy of a Springbok place,,,,Not even a year ago he set the record for the most points in a SuperRugby season,,,,And remember this season is far away from the end ,,maybe teams should be wary of not peaking to early,,new Format second half would be much harder traveling wise,now stop blowing out of your pie hole and wait for the final stages of the Super rugby before you pick a bok team

  • GILLBERT - 2011-04-01 08:30

    he will probably be the 3rd choice after butch and steyn, i cant see that snorre will blood a new bok in the world cup but will be a good prospect for the future

  • Nick van den berg - 2011-04-01 08:32

    APRIL FOOLS!!!!!!

  • sessisie - 2011-04-01 08:45

    Grant the Boks a new no. 10 please!

  • Justin - 2011-04-01 09:14

    What a nice problem to have! For my money its Lambie all the way. He has the best all round game, and hasn't been tarnished by over coaching, so has that x-factor. Morne Steyn is great when playing bulls style rugby, kicking to the corners, and standing behind a strong pack, but battles to get the backline going behind a pack which is being dominated. Grant is okay in all departments, but having the best 3 springbok centres playing outside him makes him look better than he is. Put Lambie between Fourie Du Preez and Jean DeVilliers, and we'll have a match made in heaven. I rekon our biggest dimema is not flyhalf, but fullback. No one is a standout 15. Frans Steyn has been playing poor in green and gold, probably too many frogs legs and wet weather - and Kirchner is too up and down. How about Lambie at 10, and Morne Steyn at 15? That way, we put our most exciting talent where he should be, and the most solid kicker at 15.

  • sharky23 - 2011-04-01 09:25

    Hope this isnt an april fools, happy to see grant get a go with the boks again think he is one the most under rated players in SA. Defensively he is sound and can take the ball over the gain line which will bring our big runners spies, bismarck bakkies into the game. He has also inmproved his kicking from hand. I was at maritzburg college with Peter a few years below never forget going up to play a grey bloem team that finished first in the country, we lost after leading at half time but the grey parents couldnt stop raving about Grant, I think this speaks volume about the player he is. dont forget we have one both our world cups with M. College flyhalves just saying! We know what we have in Morne and what he can do. Grant deserves a chance to show what he has in the tri-nations. I think lot of people will be plensently surprised

  • bobbythebozo - 2011-04-01 09:32

    Grant defines "Average"

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-04-01 09:50

      Nope, the word average is reserved for Meisiekind, Spies, Steyn, Steggies etc etc.

      Supersmurf - 2011-04-01 10:05

      Like your comments,Sif KAT?

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-04-01 10:21

      Nope Alwyn, more like the rating your hand usually gives you after performing.........decidedly average bordering on sub par.

      Supersmurf - 2011-04-01 10:27

      @sif Kat,,you should know,being my bitch and all

      JohnnyBB - 2011-04-01 13:10

      ....the Stormers define "average"... .......for the past 11 years.....

      Raka13 - 2011-04-01 14:18

      Atleast he is not below the average Vodacom Cup standards of Olivier, Spies, Kirchner, Januarie and the entire Cheetahs team.

  • wholebunch - 2011-04-01 09:43

    hope this is not an AF joke

  • Daw57 - 2011-04-01 10:33

    I like Morné Steyn, because he is an honest flyhalf. This means that he has certain attributes, and he always does them to the best of his ability. He kicks OK out of hand, kicks brilliantly at goal (most of the time), and defends his channel adequately. (His channel hasn't yet been targeted by huge forwards, though.) BUT ... he plays according to a typical ten-man pattern. And let's be honest, Fourie du Preez protected him quite a lot. Steyn doesn't get his line away as fast as Lambie, Pienaar or Grant, he is not creative at all (with chip kicks, kicks to the wings, grubbers, etc) and his passing isn't all that slick. Grant's kicking out of hand has improved a lot, his place-kicking is above the 80% mark and he defends better than Steyn. He can be quite creative, he breaks the line quite well, and he can get over the advantage line. He's not a Dan Carter (but then, who is?), but he should at least get the opportunity to grow into his position at test level. If he is in and out of the squad all the time we will never get the chance to reach his full potential and become as brilliant as he can be.

      Guz - 2011-04-01 13:09

      @Daw57, Honest Flyhalf? Then the ANC can sure use him in their team, cause they are as corrupt as you'll get.

  • why-not - 2011-04-01 12:17

    about time they realise it ..... grant has in the past been better than both steyns, in the present his better and in the future he will stay the best

  • Anneleen - 2011-04-01 13:10

    My money is still on Lambie...go Maritzburg and Michaelhouse!!

  • Coenza - 2011-04-01 13:48

    Finally!!! Stormers!!!

  • Deon - 2011-04-01 15:09

    Great choice as this is from a Bulls supporter. To many of my teams players are not up to par this year and we can see it in the results. Grant is playing good rugby. So they can pick him any time

  • Aabels - 2011-04-01 18:14

    There is not one flyhalf in SA in the same class as Dan Carter, Luke McAlister & others. And that's only in New Zealand. And that's no April Fool's joke.

      Crusader Man - 2011-04-01 21:55

      Sorry to disagree but McAlister is not a good flyhalf.. In NZ Carters streets ahead of the next best. I am picking that his back up will be Slade.. He should have been picked last year.. Watch this space cos if Carter leaves after WC then there is another CHCH lad that will be the nxt Carter. He was the bst under 20 flyhalf last year. He is in Crusaders squad learning the ropes..

  • BardofAvon - 2011-04-01 20:50

    April fool...! Almost got me... heh heh...!

  • thesaoak - 2011-04-02 11:45

    I quite like this Idea of Grant @ 10, even though im not a Stormers fan, you can see the impact of grant on the field!

      TrueBlue - 2011-04-02 14:11

      Huge difference if play in super 15 and springbiks, he did got games, did not make it, steyn has prove himself at boks. Will see today when sharks win the stormers, if grant can stand out, just kick all the conversions over is not saying your the best flyhalf, thats 50%

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