Ill discipline costs Jantjies

2011-06-09 15:11

Brenden Nel - SuperSport

Johannesburg - Lions coach John Mitchell has punished flyhalf Elton Jantjies for breaking team protocol, and therefore returned Butch James to the flyhalf position for his side's last Super Rugby match of the season against the Sharks on Saturday.

Mitchell indicated that Jantjies had missed a team appointment as the reason for the shift, where the young flyhalf was dropped to the bench for the game after some impressive performances on the tour to Australasia.

While it was initially expected that the move was because of his poor defence, Mitchell offered a different explanation when announcing his team for the clash.

"Elton broke team protocol while we were away so he has to face the consequences," Mitchell said in explaining the selection.

"The leadership group made a decision about that, and that's the reason why Butch goes to 10."

Asked to elaborate, he declined, and then did anyway.

"No not at all, I think it's something that is kept within the team, and has more to do with punctuality. He missed an appointment."

James's move was one of a number of changes as Cobus Grobbelaar returned to the openside flank position. Grobbelaar left the team early to return home because of a family bereavement.

"He will start, he returned from New Zealand because of a family death and we've given him every opportunity to deal with that. He is now available,"Mitchell added.

While Grobbelaar is bracketed with his tour replacement, Jaco Kriel, he will start the game. The same goes for Franco van der Merwe who has also been bracketed with David de Villiers. Mitchell is confident he will start the game but, if not, De Villiers is on standby to fill his position.

Another change on the bench is the selection of Michael Bondesio for Rory Kockott.


15 Jaco Taute, 14 Dylan Des Fountain, 13 Doppies la Grange (capt.), 12 Alwyn Hollenbach, 11 Deon van Rensburg, 10 Butch James, 9 Jano Vermaak, 8 Josh Strauss, 7 Derick Minnie, 6 Cobus Grobbelaar/Jaco Kriel, 5 Franco van der Merwe/David de Villiers, 4 Wikus van Heerden, 3 Patric Cilliers, 2 Bandise Maku, 1 JC Janse van Rensburg

Substitutes: 16 Edgar Marutlulle, 17 Jacobie Adriaanse, 18 David de Villiers/David Bulbring, 19 Warren Whiteley, 20 Michael Bondesio, 21 Elton Jantjies, 22 Michael Killian

15. Louis Ludik, 14. JP Pietersen, 13. Stefan Terblanche, 12. Meyer Bosman, 11. Lwazi Mvovo, 10. Patrick Lambie, 9. Charl McLeod, 8. Ryan Kankowski, 7. Keegan Daniel, 6. Jacques Botes, 5. Gerhard Mostert, 4. Steven Sykes, 3. Eugene van Staden, 2. John Smit (captain), 1. Beast Mtawarira       

Substitutes: 16. Bismarck du Plessis, 17. Wiehahn Herbst, 18. Alistair Hargreaves, 19. Marcell Coetzee, 20. Frederic Michalak, 21. Jacques-Louis Potgieter, 22. Adrian Jacobs


  • Lloyd - 2011-06-09 15:16

    Give the oke a fine or something. Now the team and the supporters have to suffer.

      Raka13 - 2011-06-09 15:20

      Same for yellow cards, don't sin bin the players, the whole team suffers then. Agree, fine the players.

      devils_advo - 2011-06-09 15:25

      Team is only as strong as its weakest link. Good on Mitchell. Accountability and Responsibility...

      Lloyd - 2011-06-09 15:26

      I accept the fact that some players get cards unnecessarily (especially the Bulls) and then it affects the team, but on the other hand Darren, if there are no cards, imagine the amount of professional fowls you'll have during a game.

      gooinat - 2011-06-09 15:29

      @Lloyd,Deon Stegmann will have a field day!!!!!!!

      Lloyd - 2011-06-09 15:32

      Gooinat you are right. I wish he was as dissiplined as Flo. I just cotched in my mouth.

      sparkies - 2011-06-09 15:42

      Lloyd, what you think about playing Zinzan Brooke @ fly half?

      gooinat - 2011-06-09 15:44

      Slowly there my buddy,please don't choke,breath in breath out breath in breath out,repeat that for a couple of minutes you should be fine.

      Airborne68 - 2011-06-09 16:03

      Lloyd, how much does a professional fowl earn? It all sounds a bit foul to me.

      The Goose - 2011-06-09 16:18

      Agreed Raka but imagine the amount of fines Bakkies wil get.jeez!

      Lloyd - 2011-06-09 16:32

      @Sparky, some of us want to make meaningful rugby comments on this forum. Please work with us. @Airborne, that's funny. Childish, but funny.

      sparkies - 2011-06-09 16:35

      Lloyd, can you imagine how the Bulls would suffer, murdering cops, sleeping with your mother inlaw and then a hit put on you, having drug problems.........and on and on!Good clean team you guys are, real close family

      Lloyd - 2011-06-09 16:58

      Don't forget the supposed axe murderer.

      Lucky Strike - 2011-06-09 17:02

      Watch it. He is going to go on for 10/15 minutes and then gets his full match fee and they get so much money in any case that fines don't work. He shouldn't even have been on the bench!!!

      Grayman - 2011-06-09 17:38

      I disagree with your initial comment Lloyd. There is no 'i' in TEAM. I don't care how good a player is, if he breaks the team's protocol, then he must be punished, just like any other player would be. I would tend to be a little more strict on the better players because they should be setting an example. It is the little misdemeanours that can white-ant a whole team. On paper, the Lions should be much higher up the log, but when it comes to team performance, they have failed. Could it be that there are too many primadonnas getting away with ill discipline on and off the field?

      jontheb - 2011-06-09 18:19

      Lloyd - how about that pathetic red card against the Waratahs that won your useless Bulls last match?

      Lloyd - 2011-06-09 18:23

      jontheb. Please improve on your grammar before you speak to me. ''that won your useless Bulls last match?''

      Lloyd - 2011-06-09 21:06


      Robschele - 2011-06-09 22:14

      Lloyd. Stop complaining about the grammar of the people. Read the meaning. You yourself wrote about professional chickens.

      Airborne68 - 2011-06-10 10:37

      Lloyd, it's not childish, it's called wordplay. At least I'm not chicken to spur you on.

  • - 2011-06-09 15:31

    are the Lions and the Sharks playing this weekend?? anyway . . . Go STORMERS :-)

      Grayman - 2011-06-09 18:25

      Oi Herb, what herb are you smoking there pal? Have a bit of respect for other SA franchises, but I'll forgive you because I want the Stormers to give the Bulls a lesson in rugby!

  • BOKLDN - 2011-06-09 15:44

    Does anyone think the politicians might have got involved with the 18 year old girl and the police situation that came after their win in Dunedin? He is only a laaitie so probably more chance of him cashing in on as laaitie chick. Did he miss the meeting cuz he was being interviewd by the 5-0? Whoooo - love a little conspiracy me :)

  • Makutu - 2011-06-09 15:45

    So, this means that Butch James isn't that good. lol!

      Hannes Visser - 2011-06-09 15:50

      And... still selected for the Springbok squad

      420 - 2011-06-09 16:47

      No it just means that, 1, the Lions dont have enough depth in the centres. And 2, Butch James is able to play 10, 12 without a problem. Jantjies has too much talent to be kept on the bench, rather play both if you can...

  • Ld - 2011-06-09 16:03

    Whatever the reason - if I was Lambie I'd make damn sure not to cling to the ball too long

  • 420 - 2011-06-09 16:25

    Smaller loosies then I would have liked, but we stil have to much quality for the Lions. Sharks by 10. Lambie vs Butch... This should be epic...

      Rob van den Heuvel - 2011-06-09 16:51

      Would like to have seen Lambie vs Elton but Lambie vs Butch is gonna be just as good!

      ChumScrubber - 2011-06-10 15:02

      Easy now, it seems the underdogs are all performing better at this end of the season - Sharks are going to have to give it everything to win this one. They're lucky the Lions have been travelling - maybe a bit of jet lag will help them. Better for SA cause if the Sharks don't fluff this one, but even if they make the semis - this years team lacks in too many depts to win the tourno - if they do it'll have to be a guts and glory win like 1990 Currie Cup.

  • Kok - 2011-06-09 16:29

    Who is the player who has been accused of sexually assulted a NZ girl?

      sparkies - 2011-06-09 16:36

      Lloyd was the girl bit no news on who the player was!!

  • Muzi Msimango - 2011-06-09 16:31

    Lets hope his younger brother Tony Jantjies is better than him and more disciplined ..i will watch Tony this year lets hope he can step up in the bulls set up.....

      Lloyd - 2011-06-09 16:40

      Lets hope they dont turn out to be another "Earl and Jody"

      gooinat - 2011-06-09 16:46

      Lloyd,first time we can agree on something,you see if you try really hard enough we might just start to agree more on things.

      sparkies - 2011-06-09 16:50

      Lloyd, did you bump your head or did you maybe meat somebody special

      Lloyd - 2011-06-09 16:57

      Sparkies you guessed it. I met a nice young man who has made me look at life differently. I realize that acting like a stupid wanker on a rugby forum doesnt make me a man but my new "friend" makes me feel like one. Hopefully we "meat" each other soon.

      Lloyd - 2011-06-09 17:02

      Gooinat, you've actually agreed with the fake me. Sparky, I'm trying to be nice and I don't know how long this is going to last. By the way, I didn't meet a nice young man.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-09 17:33

      @Lloyd - ROTFLMAO - someone has faked you? Now I have seen it all.

      Lloyd - 2011-06-09 17:52

      SAFFA, sad but true. I thought I was sad and lonely, imagine the oke wanting to be me. I'll be changing my identity soon. Let's see who spots it first.

  • Jerome - 2011-06-09 17:12

    Lions sucks.This only a move to give the white man a chance.Pathetic

      MaestroX - 2011-06-09 17:22

      Tsjy Jerome, didn't take long before someone brought race into it. I think Elton has a great gift and can become a real star, just please don't turn this into ANOTHER political issue. If the guy is late or misses and appointment, it’s a pretty standard punishment. Deal with it, and deal with YOUR issues dude!! Then put your front teeth back in and relax and enjoy the rugby on the weekend.

      Lloyd - 2011-06-09 17:33

      Jerome jys reg. Elton doen te goed na hulle mening. As hulle hom nog laat speel gaan hy dalk WC toe. Dis eerder dit of John en John het n ooreenkoms aangegaan om hom uit te los want dalk laat hy vir ou wit koekie Lambie sleg lyk. 0

      Lloyd - 2011-06-09 17:50


      Carl Muller - 2011-06-09 20:07

      Jerome, you sucks..... The only way your team will win is when they all are disciplined to attack. Disciplined to defend. Disciplined to give their best. The best teams out there are disciplined to win. The undisciplined guys lose out...................... Do you want to win or lose.... Remember the undisciplined guys cost you penalties and the game.... What do you want....... Win or lose..... Your choice.... It is not a matter of colour, black or white............ It is a matter of disicpline.............

      rustler - 2011-06-09 21:41

      @Jerome - wonder who is racist if one only have non whites as friends on his facebook?

  • IQ - 2011-06-09 17:16

    Solly Tyibilika, Earl Rose, Ryno Benjamin and now Elton Jantjies! One has to wonder what the common denominator is?

      Lloyd - 2011-06-09 17:20

      IQ the common denominator is your mother.

      Lloyd - 2011-06-09 17:24

      Seriously fake me? At least some people think I'm slightly funny, whereas you just irritate me and nothing else.

      Lloyd - 2011-06-09 17:31

      Please fake lloyd just do us all a favour and go away. Your crude comments about peoples mothers and daughters are not funny. The day I figure out who you are, you will be sorry.

      Lloyd - 2011-06-09 17:50

      Makutu, It was the fake me. Seriously. I can only laugh.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-09 18:02

      @Lloyd - I look forward to finding you first. Twas me last time as well. Seriously though - all the other cr@p on here can go, but the stealing of profiles etc - is BS. I should work later more often to see what happens here in the evenings, when the overseas chaps are all online and wreaking havoc. Interesting.

      Lloyd - 2011-06-09 18:25

      It's not necessarily overseas guys. Like you once mentioned to someone he must be a nagwag, since he only comments at night.

      Lloyd - 2011-06-09 19:08

      @ Lloyd I will follow yoooooooooooou, follow you wherever you may gooooooooooooo. There isnt an ocean too deeeeeeeeeeeeep or mountain too high it can keep, keep me awaaaaaaaaaaaaay.

      Lloyd - 2011-06-09 19:15

      Did someone say 'restraining order'?

  • LDP - 2011-06-09 18:15

    No Waylon Murray? I thought he was only going to be out with that injury for the Australasian part? Anyone know any news?

  • RobinHood - 2011-06-09 18:49

    So the end-of-year tour rumours were true.....

  • Camiel Phillips - 2011-06-09 18:54

    Butch James cant even tackle properly,he has been sin bined a few times in the past and he is still struggling.The team is not doing to well I wonder if Mitchell is going to stay in his job

  • Grunk - 2011-06-09 19:08

    When the egos get too big, the coach has to step in. Our problem is that the coaches have been too scared in quite a few instances - to the detriment of the player, the spectator and the game.

  • Schaun - 2011-06-09 19:09

    lag my dood, nou gaan hulle weer wen, die dom platkop jan was maar n pateet,...sorry lion supporters maar rerig julle gaan weer begin wen glo my, hy het julle gestop soos die advance abs break systems van die dae, dankie coach, drp him before he drops u, .. dont worry about him dropping for u cause he will miss by a mile anyway. took him years to realise a drop goal is not something u drop in the toilet and get to flush it if its in, more coaches must be that strict cause no respect in teams make them loosers, look at the army, they break take and even striked the other day wtf, no respect and get booted

      Lloyd - 2011-06-09 19:31

      Hey Schaun I tried to read your comment but all I saw was klwechklsgbhgliwhe;mwasgjcuhuiernhdgmixehwndgienhtv4nhctjpwio3djdtwhfiwhtermiwnhdmifenhhwhdninhfehfinhmidfhioehmihenisdghinhgieheicgrhetnmcdgeha;x;w,tmcvgrghe4wdympofirmdgoeswcghuorhuvhcngerucn.sxbfggrnzymmmmmmmmmmmmanxgebqnaz,.laduiewfnzxgyazbhdnxgfrnyaezmlerz.

      Lloyd - 2011-06-09 20:11


  • Carl Muller - 2011-06-09 20:03

    Discipline is discipline.....

  • Lazyhorse - 2011-06-10 00:01

    Wonder if the Sharks paid more for Marius Jonker's performance last week or for Jantjies to be dropped this week. All for SA rugby

  • Raeez - 2011-06-10 08:04

    Im a big Lions fan but the Sharks lineup looks better :( Still holding thumbs for the boys tho!!!!!!!!!

  • Rene - 2011-06-10 08:46

    I would target Jantjies for eighty minutes if I played against the Lions. He is like a defective gate. He just cannot manage that important zone and put the whole team under pressure. His failure to do his job in protecting that channel cause confusion in the whole backline structure. He is a man with huge talent, but you cannot play a person that give away so many points with his poor defence and often mindless kicking.

      Zee - 2011-06-10 10:01

      And still he is better than Butch James!

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