Derby: Bulls’ modern edge

2012-05-29 12:40

Cape Town – Statistics can be deceptive, suggesting as they do that the SA conference-topping Stormers have no special reason to fear their visit to Loftus on Saturday for another massive Super Rugby showdown with the Bulls.

After all, a record of four wins to three in the competition by the visitors at the Pretoria stronghold could be used as firm grounds to submit that the Cape side fare surprisingly productively there.

Their latest win at Loftus also comes as recently as the last clash at that stadium: the Stormers ran out 23-13 winners in the away fixture last year, the first in which the conference system, featuring a double round of derbies, entered the equation.

On a damp night, the Stormers’ discipline and unyielding defence – not to mention an unusually dominant scrum – were instrumental in the victory, although the Bulls did bounce back in late-campaign to snatch the Newlands return 19-16 even though the host team went on to be losing semi-finalists to the Crusaders and the Bulls failed by a whisker to make the playoffs.

Overall, in 17 encounters since the outset of the competition, the Stormers have triumphed nine times to the Bulls’ seven, with one draw at Newlands in 2000.

Yet the history at Super Rugby level between these franchises can best, perhaps for the purposes of greater accuracy, be split into two distinct phases.

The first is pre-2005, when the Bulls simply could not buy a win over these foes despite an eternally fierce rivalry in the domestic Currie Cup.

Apart from the lone stalemate already mentioned, the Stormers prevailed in all six other clashes between 1999 and 2005.

But it was in that last-named year that fortunes began to swing – and the trend started particularly violently.

Not only did the Bulls break their Super Rugby duck against the old enemy at Loftus, but they did so in record-breaking fashion, via a 75-14 result that will forever be etched as one of the most shameful games in the archives back at Newlands.

The Stormers were blitzed by nine tries to two in the sort of game where seasoned Bulls supporters would doubtless love to crow: “I was there.”

There are likely to be five survivors from that fixture on view this Saturday (19:10 kick-off) with one of them, Bryan Habana, then a Bulls player but nowadays sporting Stormers gear.

He registered two of the touchdowns en route to the rout; also in the Bulls run-on XV were Akona Ndungane and flyhalf Morne Steyn, who amassed a hefty 35 points with all nine conversions, a try of his own and four penalties.

Relative greenhorns for the Stormers then, but very much senior personnel in 2012, were now acting captain Jean de Villiers and big second-rower Andries Bekker.

That match was the catalyst for the Bulls going a long way toward reversing their losing habit against the Stormers: they boast seven Super Rugby wins to three from 2005 and beyond, including the final at the unusual venue of Orlando Stadium, Soweto, in 2010.

In both 2006 and 2007, the Bulls kept their foot fairly firmly on the Stormers’ throat, with further thumping wins where they posted more than 40 points.

Since then, Super Rugby meetings have been almost unanimously much closer.

 Although the Stormers won 38-10 at Newlands in the very last round-robin match of 2010, a fortnight before their clash in the final, that one hardly counts because the Bulls – already safely berthed in a home semi-final, to be against the Crusaders – put out a decidedly second-string XV.

Here is the complete history of Super Rugby clashes between the pair:

Conference format:

2012: Stormers 20 Bulls 17 (Newlands)

2011: Bulls 13 Stormers 23 (Loftus), Stormers 16 Bulls 19 (Newlands)

Old format (home team listed first):

2010: Stormers 38 Bulls 10

2010 (final, Soweto): Bulls 25 Stormers 17

2009: Bulls 14 Stormers 10

2008: Stormers 9 Bulls 16

2007: Bulls 49 Stormers 12

2006: Stormers 10 Bulls 43

2005: Bulls 75 Stormers 14

2004: Stormers 25 Bulls 11

2003: Bulls 24 Stormers 27

2002: Stormers 31 Bulls 27

2001: Bulls 23 Stormers 34

2000: Stormers 19 Bulls 19

1999: Bulls 19 Stormers 42

1998: Stormers 35 Bulls 18


  • Eugene - 2012-05-29 12:54

    Bulls fans, let's show Rob we are the better champions and not entertain this twaddle. We all know that since its inception in 1938, Northern Transvaal and the Bulls have been the most dominant side with some WP and Natal also having their brief moments of success.

      Schalk - 2012-05-29 13:03

      so Eugene you are suggestion that a competition starts when your team arrives? please wake up dude, typical bulls mentality...

      Eugene - 2012-05-29 13:20

      Schalk (Burger I presume?): Of course you can only start comparing when all the teams are playing. The only reason WP has more CC trophies is exactly due to that fact: They already started playing in the 19th Century when there was no-one around! Who has 3 Super titles? Please answer that question, genius. @ Stormsaam: What's in a name? If it wasn't for papsak and saamstorm, you might never have been born. Go climb a mountain and write under your real name.

      Schalk - 2012-05-29 13:36

      @ Eugene, not terrorblanch right? - Its Schalk, like in Schalk Lubbe - so because the Kings will join the Super XV in 2013 (hopefully not) you will then therefore agree that your PREVIOUS 3 titles wont count for sh*t seeing that "all" the teams was not part of it, and therefore none of the previous winners could really say they had it 7 or 8 times before - sounds like a k.k argument to me hey? and MAINLY...YOU H A D 3 titles - you no longer have them - but keep worrying over teh past...before you wake up we should be on equal terms when our beloved Stormers equal or better the bulls 3 trophies...

      PienkMasjien - 2012-05-29 13:52

      @Schalk & Stormsaam ,Bulle wen 23 Curriebekers van af 1939,die wepe wen 23 van 1914 af, baie min mense leef nog, wat kan se , dat wp in hulle leeftyd meer bekers gewen het.

      Eugene - 2012-05-29 13:53

      Schalk: You're going to have a seizure bro. I thought you Capetonians are such laid-back people? All I'm saying is you have to at least compare two teams before you can say who is the best. Who won the most CC's (when NT started playing) until now. Go check the stats, it's all there. They don't lie. As for our 3 Super titles: The Stormbarians won't even come close to equalling it. I have my tickets for Saturday and I'll be relishing every second of your team's demise. So dream on behind that till you're working . . .

      Eugene - 2012-05-29 13:58

      Schalk, I see you're from Kempton Park. Everything's making a lot of sense right now. Oh yes, the Bulls don't have them anymore because nobody wins it every year. Not even the Saders. But three previous ones with more to come is better than nothing (which is what's been in the Stormers' Super trophee cabinet forever).

      Eugene - 2012-05-29 14:05

      Schalk, luister na die Pienk Masjien

      Schalk - 2012-05-29 14:11

      Shame Eugene so by pointing out the obvious you result to a new argument by looking me up on facebook and start a argument of where i am from? if thats your best i wont even continue the debate...hold onto those dreams boy...

      Eugene - 2012-05-29 14:24

      Oh Schalkie, I'm just getting warmed up here. Dude, you're English is as bad as the Stormers' winning record in the S15, so kom ons praat Afrikaans. Rakende jou laaste punt: Ek sal eerder enige advies van iemand van 'n Constantia of Waterkloof vat as van iemand van Danville of Daspoort. Stem jy nie saam nie?

      Schalk - 2012-05-29 14:32

      So Eugene volgens jou bepaal die plek waar jy bly wie jy is? O so terloops, wat is fout met Kempton Park?

      Schalk - 2012-05-29 14:37

      So terloops, van waneer moet mens kyk na jou spelling op die website? ek kan jou verseker my engels het min fout. het seker nie iets sleg om te se oor my span nie nou wil jy persoonlik raak.

      Eugene - 2012-05-29 14:41

      Schalk, ja tot 'n baie goot mate doen dit. As jy anders dink, moet jy jou argument met feite staaf. Iemand in Danville of dele van Kempton Park het in die algemeen laer onderwysvlakke en swakker sosio-ekonomiese omstandighede as byvoorbeeld iemand in Centurion of Sandton. Nie waar nie? Ek was Vrydag in Boksburg en dit was die eerste keer op die Oos-Rand vir my in 'n lang ruk. Ek moet se ek sal nie daar bly nie.

      Paul Botha - 2012-05-29 18:19

      @Eugene you talk a load of bollox mate please shut your gob! Because someone is from a poor background or poorer area they don't know as much as someone from waterkloof or centurion please!!

      Eugene - 2012-05-30 08:37

      @ Paul: Oh that's so democratic of you, you tell me to shut up but someone without a TV can comment on things they don't watch or Schalk can say things without quoting facts and divert every argument to new one because he can't win the debate. So with all due respect: Up yours, mate!

      Schalk - 2012-05-30 14:00

      Julle ouens moet relax - mens se een of twee dinge dan raak almal ewe opgewonde. kyk maar hoe maak ou tokkie al die wp ouens warm en ek het sopas bewys hoe vinning mense soos blueraven, rene, eugene kan warm raak onder die kraag. Eugene releax ou, moet seker die getroude lewe wees wat jou so op jou senuwees het. Sterkte vir die game en mag die beste span wen.

  • Provence - 2012-05-29 13:22

    What can we say, with everything stacked against us and already looking over our shoulder at the long haul home to the 'mooiste blouste Kaap'. Maybe one day, the Stormers will produce a day to remember. Will it be this Saturday, and make it a Bulls day to forget, maybe, just maybe??

      Schalk - 2012-05-29 13:29

      not impossible...remember everyone that owned a Hilux, had blue b@lls hanging from its towbar and had a blue shirt on said that they would thump us in February this year, after 40 minutes it was 14 - 0 and everyone of them that i knew didnt answer their phones...

  • Blou-Daan - 2012-05-29 13:26

    Ek verwag die Bulle gaan weer naby of beter as daai 75-14 wen van 2005 kom, maar dit sal elkgeval weer n groot wen vir die Bulle wees. Jis, ek kan nie wag nie :-)

  • Freedom - 2012-05-29 13:32

    Come on Stormers do us proud and lets hammer the Bulls on Saturday, a good clean and clinical performance is needed. There is nothing worse than a Bulls supporter, even our good friends in NZ & Aus agree.

      Blou-Daan - 2012-05-29 13:43

      @Freedom Hehehe....!!!! a good clean and clinical performance from the Stormers :-)

      Bjorn - 2012-05-29 14:20

      Altyd gese, dit vat 'n grote om 'n kleintjie raak te sien...wie is die grootstebekke (sonder rede), die stormers ondersteuners...maar nou ja, hou dit daar, soss die laaste 10 jaar hoor ons dat die jaar is die jaar...gaap....

  • Terry - 2012-05-29 13:38

    What a lot of rubbish - going back to results more that 1 year ago is completely redundant! Both teams were made up of a completely different set of players, and even those that are still around are not the players that they were 2 years ago.

  • Schalk - 2012-05-29 13:49

    o so tokkie as jy begin met die k.k praat is dit fine maar sodra iemand jou uithaal het ons n pap battery...baie oorspronklik

  • Cliff - 2012-05-29 14:02

    What is the difference between a vuvuzela and a Pink Bulls Fan? One is an annoying constant droning noise in your ear all day long and the other is a plastic trumpet!!! lol

      Bjorn - 2012-05-29 14:18

      Hi ou grammefoon plaat...soos 'n passer, al om jou eie g@t...

      Cliff - 2012-05-29 14:25

      Bjorn -Ja Ja Ja !!!

  • corne.heyns - 2012-05-29 14:03

    74 - 14, enough said!!

  • pboot - 2012-05-29 14:04

    Stormers coming off a loss against the Sharks, their hackles are up and ready to make good last weeks resul !! Stormers by 10 !!!!!

      Bergelmir - 2012-05-29 21:14

      Daar was nie excuses nie tokolos, strawman argument... Ons het almal die sharks geluk gewens met 'n verdiende wen. En net so terloops, die laaste keer toe ons so swak gespeel het (teen lions) het julle almal aangegaan oor hoe julle ons gaan vermorsel na julle groot wen teen 'n tweede reds span. En wat gebeur toe??

  • Freedom - 2012-05-29 14:07

    I really enjoy the way the Bulls supporters love mouthing off about this and a that, how many players in your team are from the Cape? And how many are from your part of the world? And to @ René are you really a woman? Seriously the way you carry on I could have sworn you were a man. Let the best team win on Saturday. Ohhhh who do you think our overseas friends will be supporting? Ps @Tokolos you really seem like a knob, not somebody to have a beer with.

      Freedom - 2012-05-29 15:40

      @ Tokolos that was really funny and made me laugh on a wet Winters day here in the beautiful Cape. The only province to be run by the people for the people, thanks for the invite to be pen pals and look forward to the next instalment. Ps looking forward to the game and lets hope no more injuries to either team.

      marko.miladinovic.52 - 2012-05-30 13:00

      And how many Stormers players come from up north. Two years ago they bought a whole lot of experienced players. The Bulls usually buy youngstes from the Cape and develop them, not our fault the Wesren Cape scouts are blind.

  • Johan - 2012-05-29 14:34

    I have just read the article that Tony Johnstone of New Zealand wrote "Tests interrupt fascinating period" This guy knows more about rugby than any of our sportswriters. Why can't news 24 get him for rugby reporting?

  • Andre - 2012-05-29 14:46

    gee asb die stats vanaf 1938 toe die Bulls offisieel 'n rugby provinsie geword het

      frans.visserdsb - 2012-05-30 07:29

      Andre, voor 1938 het noord transvaal deel gevorm van die Transvaal rugby unie. so die bulle was daar as deel van n ander span. die argument dat jy net kan kyk wat is die statistieke na noord transvaal gejoin het is net so foutief as om te se mens kan net kyk na die superrugby statistiek nadat dit die super 15 geword het - in wleke geval die stormers een beker het (die konferensie beker) en die bulle geen.

  • Dewald - 2012-05-29 14:52

    Jerry!!! Jerry!!! Jerry!! U guys blow my mind. The game is in the ballance. Any team can win. 50-50!!! I'm a big bulls supporter but its going to be difficult. Bulls by 3, stormers by 3 or even a draw, but no runaways. Any person thinking that does not know rugby at all. Prob the same people who blames the ref for everything. And my fellow bulls supporters please some of u should rather keep quiet,u r really making us look stupid. Be humble and results will come!!

      Dewald - 2012-05-29 15:28

      Lol,gotta luv the fans

      Tokolos - 2012-05-29 17:12

      Dewald..... Dankie vir die morele advies en jou ellelange speech... Jy weet mos Tokolos gaan nie vir jou luister nie. Jy sit onnodige stres op jouself om dit te probeer doen. Iemand moet hierdie windtie Stommerikke naar maak. Dis Tokolos se mission in hierdie lewe ou maat. Iemand moet hulle die lig wys! Bulle bly maar Kampioene!!!!

      Stormkaap - 2012-05-29 17:46

      Blue, remeber when you think u are perfect, there is someone out there more perfect than you..

      francis.titus - 2012-05-29 21:23

      In Dewald the pink oooooops blue\r\nBulls at least have one fan with\r\ncommonsence.

      frans.visserdsb - 2012-05-30 07:22

      thanks Dewald for a very good comment. It will be a difficult game for either side, Stormers has the better defensive structure, Bulls the more dominant forwards. it will be an interesting game. I am a Stormer supporer, and will be at loftus on Saturday to support my side, but i think that it is too close to call with the home ground advantage probably giving the edge to the Bulls. I hope not, and I hope that this is the game the Stormers find their attacking mojo...

  • Acta - 2012-05-29 15:25

    Dis als in die verlede, kom ons kyk na sat hoe die log lyk. Go Stormers.

  • johan.peters3 - 2012-05-29 15:31

    ek sou graag vir Andries Bekker se dat ek nogal beindruk was toe Beast vir ? Bresller so vasgehou het in die lug en hy wat Bekker was eintlik net vir die bal gegaan het maar ook op n manier vir Bresller help vashou het dat hy nie in daai situasie kon val nie....goed gedaan Blou bul man

      Acta - 2012-05-29 16:04

      @Johan, Dink ons gan daai twee kodak moments nog baie sien, die eerste die beste. Snaaks om n blou bul iets 'goed?' te hoor se van n Stormer.

  • Mandy Casey - 2012-05-29 17:30

    Bulls should actually be worried. Played 12 games, won 8. Sharks are on fire at the moment! Easy game against Lions, bye and then Bulls. Only 3 points behind Bulls. Do the maths, everything rests on the visit to the TANK. Stormers should win the game this Saterday is my prediction.

      frans.visserdsb - 2012-05-30 07:25

      Mandy, I actually think the Sharks have timed their run to the final very well... I said at the beginning of the season the Sharks will do best of the SA sides this year, as both Bulls and Stormers will struggle with depth towards the end of the season. I hope i am wrong and my side (stormers) are there at the end...

  • Herman - 2012-05-30 04:18

    Pink Klere en hulle sing liefling vir mekaar. Ek se niks verder nie!!!!!

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