Crusaders add to Div's despair

2011-07-05 11:49

Sydney - In a weekend of memorable rugby moments, one of the best came in the final minute of an exceptional Crusaders win over the Stormers.

The television cameras panned to Springboks coach Peter de Villiers in the crowd, and he looked devastated. He was resting his head on his right hand and glumly staring into space. The reason for his discomfort was simple. He had just witnessed his best South African provincial team on their home turf clinically disposed of by the core of the All Blacks Test line-up.

According to Rugby Heaven columnist Greg Growden, his despair also would have something to do with what occurred in the first half. De Villiers is renowned for making baffling comments, and one of his most ridiculous occurred some weeks ago when he targeted Sonny Bill Williams. He described Williams's keenness to offload in the tackle as "nonsense" and a bad example for young players.

Cue ahead to the 34th minute, and Williams was tackled by the Stormers No 8 Nick Koster and centre Jaque Fourie. But before crashing into the turf Williams succeeded in offloading the pass to his centre partner, Robbie Fruean, who went on to score to give the Crusaders a 20-point lead. End of semi-final.

As Fruean grounded the ball, the South African TV commentator remarked: "Brilliant piece of rugby. You can say what you like about offloads - dangerous or not - that's the kind of rugby that stops kids from going to the movies."

How true.

You also knew this wouldn't be the last time in this Rugby World Cup season that Sonny Bill would make De Villiers look silly.

While De Villiers will probably try to turn this negative into something positive by saying it will give the South African contingent an extra week of rest before the Tri-Nations begins, Australia and New Zealand can prime themselves for a great Super Rugby final.

It doesn't get any better than this. In one corner are the Reds, who have revitalised Australian rugby through their willingness to be different, as well as having the courage to continually stretch the barriers.

They have shown the way and reminded all that speed is imperative, that you don't have to be dour to be victors and it is so much better if you take a risk.

In the other corner are the Crusaders, who continually astound. In particular, how they overcame all the nightmares of a quick trip to South Africa and got it together perfectly against the Stormers.

Both finalists are also united in having to overcome disaster in recent times. The physical and psychological effects of the Christchurch earthquake will take decades to overcome and it has forced the Crusaders to become rugby gypsies, playing here, there and everywhere. Their travel itinerary has been a nightmare, but they have never complained. The players say with pride they represent a community that has been under so much stress and, in such trying times, must remain stoic. In that traditional, hard, roll-your-sleeves-up New Zealand South Island manner, they have. They deserve endless praise.

The Reds have also overcome pain. It must be remembered that not that long ago Suncorp Stadium was under water, hit by the massive floods that swept through Brisbane.

During that time the Reds were sighted filling sandbags around town and helping out. The bond between the Reds and the Brisbane community became even stronger.

A Reds v Crusaders final involves the two best teams in the competition who play the most invigorating, compelling form of football. A classic final is in the offing.

Rugby Heaven

  • Tana - 2011-07-05 11:58

    Filppen pampoen. PdV het lekker sy gat gesien met die een - 2011-07-05 12:14

      lekker papsak onder die tafel....

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-05 12:44

      @Blueraven - do you remember when P Divvy first took over - he spoke of, and TRIED to implement a more ball in hand gameplan, with good running rugby, good lines etc? The Boks got hammered, and the media, public and even the players moaned at him and the fact that he was "moving away from the Boks traditional strengths" etc etc. In one game against OZ that year we played that kind of open rugby, and we killed the Aussies. But, alas, P Divvy had already been put under serious pressure by the public, the media etc - and that was the END of Divvy's original vision for a 'new style' of play. He folded under pressure from public and media - and then went about making deal with all of Jake's BANKER players......So if there is ONE thing I do blame Divvy for - it's not sticking to his guns......If he had - we might be in a different position today (in terms of gameplan, players, captains etc) We all need to blame oursleves a little as well don't you think? It is we 'fans' who have a win above ALL else attitude, which leaves NO window period for ANY rugby "work-in-progress". That's why we fell behind this time around. Our gameplan might and I say "might" give us a one off chance of winning the WC (as I feel we and England will play 10 man rugga - and on the day it could counter the Kiwis/France/Oz etc - if our selections are spot-on FOR 10 man rugga) - BUT, it will be just that, a one off, and then we go back to lagging behind the Ozzies and Kiwis for another 3-4 years.

      Mike Webber - 2011-07-05 12:46

      Ja, Snor Helium De Villiers slated Sonny Bill only to have the machine slice right through his precious WeePee centres, with ease! Div doesn't know when to shut up and now he has egg all over his face ... Chop!

      Justin - 2011-07-05 12:52

      PdV het gehoop om 15 spelers van die Stormers te kies vir die Bokspan, mar ai ou Diwwie, get off your high horse pal!

      BlueRaven - 2011-07-05 13:40

      @SAFFA-CAT I did respond to this threat earlier but removed it since I do not want to get into this whole PdV debate. What I said is that IF the Bokke fail that failure can not be put squarely at PdV's door. The Bokke is only as strong as the provincial teams and initiative to move with the times and adapt to the modern game of rugby should come from the provinces and super rugby franchises allowing the Bok coaching team to build on that. So yes I agree with you on this :)

      Kok - 2011-07-05 13:45

      @Saffa-cat: The SA rugby public is too obsessed with winning and winning and winning. That's why risks are not taken, no progress in playing styles - one traditional, one-sided approach every year. Some would say now: "Yes, but we won two WC with our style." My reply: "Blah. blah. blah!!!!!!! The game is moving on fast and I am afraid SA is staying terribly behind and still PDiv wants kids to play traditional rugby, instead of doing some SBW passes. And where Pdiv is concerned. I told that time he is not man enough to stand for his vision. He crumbled under the precious you've mentioned. And now, the same rugby public must hit on their own chest for the mess.

      Howzitekse - 2011-07-05 14:16

      Saffa, agree with you wholeheartedly. PDV started out with the right idea, but gave in to pressure. Unfortunately, Jake White and PDV are the best coaches in SA. Why are we unable to produce good props, flyhalves captains and coaches? Nobody outside the Bulls realy wanted Heineke, and Jake took four years to find a job after he was (unfairly) left out in the cold by SA rugby "bosses".

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-05 14:34

      @Howzitekse - I often wonder what a chap like Robbie Deans could do with the talent we have available in SA....and then I get so distressed because I know it's never going to happen.... Our problem in the good old RS of A is: our coaches seem to stick to the South African blueprint on how rugby should be played.....From primary school age, kids are encouraged to bulk up, get big and run over everything while out muscling opponents. Then they get to high school - shame sh*te - different coach. Then they move to the unions and ANY natural/creative talent these players had left in them (not much) is coached out them once and for all....... The perfect example: The Baby Boks.....the management reckoned that by picking the LARGEST/HEAVIEST players they could find - we would be able to counter the Kiwi threat - well, we didn't even play the Kiwis.... Why not use rugga intelligence and some creativity to counter the Kiwis? Ditto for flyhalves......we will never have a Carter or Cooper - because you can bet your @ss that ANY kid showing SUCH initiative and creativity will be coached UNTIL HE LOSES IT.... It sucks - and this frikkin coaching mindset we have - from Primary school allllllllllllll the way up has to be broken, and the only way I see that happening, is if the BOKS break the shackles. (Usually it must change from the bottom up - but this time it must start at the TOP - if if kids/coaches see the Boks running - they will 2 - guaranteed)

      Jack - 2011-07-05 16:27

      Did anyone see the U19 world cup game between SA and England? If you saw that you will know why our rugby is in dire straits. The basics. Passing and handling, tackling and running into space. These things are obviously not being taught properly in the junior levels. SBW's ability to offload is not anything special - it is a given that any player should be able to offload in the tackle. And tactical awareness of where players are on the field (or call it peripheral vision) is also missing in young players coming into the system. We saw that from the rookie scrumhalf of the stormers on saturday, who could have scored from a ruck on two occasions, but didnt see the open goal line in front of him.

      Mickey Fin - 2011-07-05 23:22

      @ SAFFA-CAT. I have kept quiet for to long now and have to comment on the rubbish you keep spewing on these pages. How can you even attempt to blame the rugby public for the way the Boks are playing and losing? All those same supporters were shouting their mouths off last year because of the way we were losing and did that change the way Div did things? Did he change his selection policy? No ways. He is to hard arsed and arrogant to listen to the paying public and you are even more arrogant for thinking what you say counts for anything. Wake up to reality. Div is there to destroy the Springboks. The Springbok on the sleeve as apposed to the Protea is a decision made by the powers that be in S A rugby and not the World Cup organisers. S A rugby is doomed and Div has succeeded in destroying the last thing sacred to the historically white sport. It is not good enough for them that we have transformed rugby as we have. The excellent players of colour coming through means nothing. The ultimate destruction of the Bok emblem was utmost on the agenda as this is a symbol of apartheid and has to be destroyed.

      Paul - 2011-07-06 13:20

      PDV is a GREAT COACH .... and I can back this up,unlike most of you FOOLS insulting him here .... his record speaks for its self .... PDV vs HENRY (the most successful AB coach ever) stands at P9W4L5 ...and all us Bok fans know that the Boks were robbed in Seweto game ... all the AB tries had forward passes in them ... if we won that game PDV would be up on Henry ...add to that under PDV the Boks have won 2 games in NZ in his3years as coach ...where as Nick Mallet won 1 game in NZ in 4 years as coach and Jake White won NONE in his 4 years ...Mallet lost a series to the B&I LIONS ...PDV won his .... Now some of you FOOLS will say its the PLAYES ...JAKES PLAYERS ...BS they are the form players in SA not "JAKES PLAYERS" or "JAKES TEAM" ....PDV has brought through his own form players ....Morne ,Hougie, Flip vd M, Alberts and now Lambie ... so all you fools who can only critisize PDV because of what he says or because he isn't WHITE better shut up .... because PDV delivers where it counts most ...IN THE RECORD BOOK !!! all this from a white rugby fan who loves our team and backs them all the way ....This WC is ours !!! GO BOKKE GO !!!

      my_story - 2011-07-07 09:45

      @ Mickey Fin - read what you wrote. you're throwing up all over the place without any substantiating. saffa-cat is one of the few people who puts interesting ideas on these forums. where's your interesting idea? the world is a better place for her comments. the world is a worse place for your dumb blind comments. that you name yourself a deragatory irish name says a lot about your character and how much your word matters in this world.

      kurtvs - 2011-07-07 11:32

      @ Paul It is because of white guys like you that I still have hope for SA.

      Mickey Fin - 2011-07-08 02:49

      @ my_storey The name I give myself has got stuff all to do with what is written on these pages. Where is SAFFA-CAT? Must you come to her defence? It is obvious that you are not all that clever in making the comments you do about what I said. I did not know that we had to come up with “interesting ideas” as you so kindly advised. I thought that we could voice our opinion on these pages. I am voicing my opinion on the crap that SAFFA-CAT keeps spewing week after week. We can go back to the week before the Bulls played the Stormers. The game was won by the Stormers and they did not have to pitch up to the game if her comments were anything to go by. Same for the semis and now she wants us to take the blame for the deterioration in the Boks performance! You take the blame together with SAFFA_CAT. I am definitely not going to take the blame for a pathetic hard arsed arrogant coach who has become the laughing stock of world rugby!!!!

  • Martin - 2011-07-05 12:01

    Ja ou Snorre, nou sal jy vir die eerste keer self moet begin ploeg met jou eie kallers... Jammer maar White se ou manne is oor die muur...

      Oukoos - 2011-07-05 12:08

      Dalk kras gestel, maar in wese is dit waar dat van die 2007-Springbokke maar min oorgebly het wat werklik kompeterend is. Dalk is die dapper ding om te doen om die ou hout nou al uit te sny en jong manne wereldbeker toe te stuur sodat hulle ondervinding opdoen vir die 2015 wereldbeker. Ja ons sal nie so die beker behou nie, maar met die huidige (ervare!) groep is ons kanse in elk geval bykans zero

      Kleinboet - 2011-07-05 21:20

      Nie alleen gaan ons nie die Beker behou nie, ons gaan bars om nie tot 5de plek gerelegeer te word nie. As jy die bal wil rondgooi, moet jy die hande hê om dit te vang en verder te voer. Ons het dit nie. Ook verloor ons die bal telkens as ons grond toe gaan. Nog 'n teken dat ons balbehoud nie op standaard is nie. Oukoos, nee man, ons moet darem ten minste gaan probéér om die beker te wen. Ná die toernooi kan dan oopkop gedink word oor jonger spelers met 'flair'. Probleem is net dat die Ausies en Kiwis dan waarskynlik sal terugkeer tot die ou manier van speel en ons weer daarmee ook klop! Miskien moet ons minder kyk wat hulle doen en 'n slag self met iets opspraakwekkend te voorskyn kom. Maak nie saak hoe sleg die klein outjies afgerig word nie, daar is deesdae rugby akademies waar ontluikende spelers geslyp kan word. Ek sien reeds iets daarvan in die jongmanne wat noodgedwonge vir die Stormers ingespan was.

  • brendon - 2011-07-05 12:04

    Sonny BIll will punish them i can see it now already they tackling to bad WTF??? hit the ball out of his hand come on guys u know him already his gone offload ??? dnt u see..

      Sedick - 2011-07-05 12:14

      Brendon, you are presuposing that the Springboks think........they do not, brute force, and no finesse......I am a staunch Bo supporter, but can only admire the flair and thinking rugby that the ABs and Ausies exhibit every week.....compared to the rap that the Springboks dish out......kick, chase, tackle, tackle, tackle, tackle, BORING!!!!

  • Dave - 2011-07-05 12:05

    Ja, ja. Means nothing at the end of the day. We had two sides in the Super 14 final last year, and then the Boks finished stone last in the Tri-Nations. You can't judge the national team based on a provincial side doing well. All this talk of Super Rugby as an international barometer is bollocks.

      Gorilla - 2011-07-05 13:31

      At last. A man who speaks sense. Also to add to that statement, the Kiwis are always rampantly dominant at the beginning of a RWC and they have always been in the lottery no better or no worse than the other big teams. One bad game can see you crying like a baby.

      FearoPhobia - 2011-07-05 13:48

      Agree 100%. Even the lowly Bulls beat the Stormers and as Jean said, they just didn't turn up on the day. Only a fool will read too much into one semi-final. They were thoroughly beaten at the set pieces and breakdowns which is a traditional Springbok strength - so it will be a completely different game. This is just the usual negative noise coming from the SA public before the Tri-Nations and World Cup tournaments kick off. Nothing new. The article was also written by somebody looking to stir up a few emotions but there's nothing of substance in it. Just the usual cheap shots with some wishful thinking and blind optimism thrown in. Best to just ignore it and move on.

      Grunk - 2011-07-05 14:18

      Only a fool would read to much into one semi-final??? Strange comment - the writing has been on the wall ever since the Sharks got blown out of the water at Twickenham - we (SA) have no props and our scrums are consequently getting mangled and our lineouts are atrocious by any previous years' standards. Our backs (sorry the backs that we use) are definitely sub anything that the Aussies and NZ will put on the park and our Coach is a whole lot of of hot air. Other than that we shouldn't read anything into what has been dished up by us during the whole season. Apart from the prop situation we may be able to put together a reasonable side if the proper people are picked (which we won't because one of these, Pretorius has already been shown the door) but I'm afraid that 2015 is going to be the next time we get near to a final because by then these old age pensioners we've got at present must have been given the boot and replaced by a very good crop of youngsters coming through (and who already should have been blooded).

      Hein - 2011-07-05 14:27

      Laat die Kiwis en die Aussies maar glo wat hulle wil. Dink terug aan laas naweek se Stormers wedstryd - oorgeloop van selfvertroue en gevou op die veld. Ons weet mos nou al dat die AB nie oor BMT beskik nie en die Aussies is dalk die groter gevaar van die twee spanne.. So dit help nie ons raak nou al bekommerd nie - kom tyd - kom raad en die manne om dit deur te trek. So ontspan - wag en sien en die Bokke sal weer daar wees.

      Grunk - 2011-07-05 14:41

      @Hein. We can hope all we want but there have to be some signs that changes are to take place to give us that hope. Have you seen any such signs?

      FearoPhobia - 2011-07-05 15:08

      @Grunk - there are plenty of good signs. We had a good few wins in NZ showing that the guys have no mental block against playing there. 3 teams in the top 7 including a home semi. Fewest tries against the Stormers and their defensive coach was promptly included in the WC squad. Rassie included in the WC and we all know what a good analyst he is. With the Tri-Nations underway they're talking of resting and managing players which is a good sign and an opportunity to give the younger guys some experience at top level. Players like Brussouw and Smith are coming back from injury etc. etc. etc. There are plenty of good sign if you care to acknowledge them and not just look at the negative stuff.

      Grunk - 2011-07-05 15:53

      @Fearophobia. Surely you have to look at the negatives? Both positives/negatives, strengths and weaknesses form part of any business/personal analysis - and you have to find ways and means of building on the strengths (as you did above) and you have to find remedies for the weaknesses - and neither Brusseaux nor Smith (except possibly as Captain) form part of the weaknesses I am talking about.

      FearoPhobia - 2011-07-05 17:02

      @Grunk - of course there are issues (and there always will be). I'm not suggesting for one moment that there isn't. What specifically do you feel is an example of something that should be addressed though?

      Grunk - 2011-07-05 18:19

      @Fearophobia. Many unfortunately. Firstly if we have a primary weakness in the front row and we cannot do anything about the availability of quality props then we definitely cannot afford to have less than the best of our hookers playing. This meanst that Smit is a no-no. My choice for "grunt"/added weight and general field play would be Strauss but could be Bismarck or Chiliboy. I would be open to to better informed advice than mine in that regard . I must st state at this stage that Danie Craven's dictum of "Scum, scrum scrum" still holds true in the present day. Also if we can't have prop power then we must boost the people behind them by including Rousseax or Alberts as 8th Man. Brussoux, if match fit ,must play with either Smith/Deysel/Alberts on the other flank. I'll go to my other thoughts down below.

      Grunk - 2011-07-05 18:32

      "Fearophobia. Then we get to No 9. We are not going to get through the Group let alone other rounds if we have a Fullback, No 10 and No 9 who all they can do is kick up and unders. Morne Steyn is the lynchpin to any success we have in this tournament (RWC) so he stays. The only thing that Du Preez can do any longer is throw his handhands up in the air and box kick. He's also a no-no. Hougaard or Pienaar are the only 9's left (now Pretorius has been booted who can offer anything different. I have thoughts on Wings, centres and fullbacks but space is limited.

      FearoPhobia - 2011-07-06 09:14

      @Grunk, I would agree with pretty much everything you said but I'd argue that that's mostly playing style that you're (or we're) criticizing and not so much fundamental issues that's preventing us from performing. Before the Stormers scrum shambles over the weekend I've heard very little about the scrum being a big issue for the Boks. I think it's blown out of proportion. The Springbok scrum will look very different from the Stormers one so I'm withholding judgement on that one until the Tri-Nations. I agree up and unders are over-used but it's an absolute myth that the All-Blacks play just a running game and we play just a kicking game (as the stats showed when we won the Tri-Nations with our so-called boring kicking game). The AB's kicked just about as much as we did. We just did it more effectively. I wouldn't mind for some creativity in our backline though. We're probably the most predictable running team at the world cup. (I have a theory about why this is so which I won't bore you with). All in all there are no alarm bells going off in my head just yet. I think we'll do well with our traditional game at the world cup (too late to change now) but I'm hoping we'll concentrate more on attack after that - as Div promised when he was selected as coach. Nothing wrong with playing attractive rugby.

      Grunk - 2011-07-06 09:33

      @FoP I sincerely hope that we use the TriNations to solve the massive problems we are facing at the moment. In all instances except props we have talented players. The pandering to egos must play a secondary role in the choice of these. The prop problem can perhaps be resolved by other means - but it still leaves a lot of ifs and I have too little faith in Management's ability to to be other than, let's say, extremely concerned at this time.

  • Jim - 2011-07-05 12:10

    Rugby league at its best,the sooner we have top league in SA the better. Union cry babies suck.

      Hendrik - 2011-07-05 12:43

      HAHAH, wow dude, no one plays( no one that matters anyway) league. No one knows when the world cup for league is, who is the top players, hell, its nowhere! union will always be bigger, better and have more money. I think it is only 4 countries that plays league competitively. Jim, you are an idiot my friend.

      Stryder - 2011-07-05 12:50

      @Hendrik-Rugby League is bigger than Union in Australia according to the people I know who live there.

      Jim - 2011-07-05 13:02

      Hendrick please dont call me an idiot and i am not your friend. Now, have you heard of Tom Van vollenhoven, Jason Robinson,Brad Thorn Sonny Bill Williams just to mention a few.

      docraven - 2011-07-05 13:17

      Jim, i played League in Aussie a few years back and yes it is a hard game but their is in no way as much physical contact as their is in union.In league you get tackled(hard) and then you need to release the ball, contact is over.Union, the physical contact go can on for a few minutes after the first tackle and no one can see what is actually happening in the loose scrum.So no, you have no clue what you talking about-IDIOT

      Krugga - 2011-07-05 14:04

      Doc-D-gesig-craven, wat se uiterse twak praat jy nou!!?? You played league in Aus!!!???? You do not have the mental capacity to make ANY civilized or meaningful comments now you want us to believe that 1. you finished high school and have a qualification 2. other countries would actually allow you within their boarders????!!!!! Stay true to yourself and stick to making perverse comments about children. Skuim.

      docraven - 2011-07-05 14:15

      Krugga, not that i give a crap what you think but i went over with Andy Maronos,Christian Stewart,Heindrich Vols,Tiaan Strauss,Kevin Schraader and the great John Timu.Oh and my captain was Terry Lamb.Anything else you would like to know you useless in breed pig who has never played a contact sport in your life??

      Ozymandios - 2011-07-05 15:25

      I played rugby league in the eraly 1980's in Aussie. You can't compare the two as one is closer to gridiron than Union. But there are a lot of techniques that Union can import from league and benefit from. The tactics and style of play is different and the average SA rugby player - conditioned from school into Union - won't fit into league. Just look at Mordt and Louw who went to play league in the UK. The running lines of league are different and the speed of the game is also different. But league far ourstrips Union in Aussie. Even race horsing and greyhound racing outstrip Union in popularity.and support. But Union has benefited, not fully yet, from the profressional approach league has had for decades where the approcah to detail in startegy is concerned. One thing that Rugby SA can learn is the quality upgrades their coaches get each year in league far outstrips what we have here in SA.. The accademys are far and away ahead of us here. Not to mention the players too.Everything in Aussie is accademy based where sport is concerned. Look at their swimming. The problem with SA sport is we still think of it as a sport not a professional full time business. We are too soft mentally and too emmotional too. In school we are taught this wholesomeness of shaking hands after the game and being mates. The Aussies do that but few feel that cameradie towards you.Losing in Aussie is not a matter of life and death. Its far worse. And they have that psycological attitude where we don't.

      Obama Bin Laden - 2011-07-05 17:34

      @Doc : so which one of those was your boyfriend?

  • Kok - 2011-07-05 12:23

    Brendan Venter and the Cheetahs figured out SBW and they were successful, although SBW was only playing the first half in that match. I told alot of mates last week that if the stormers want to stop the SBW show, they must focus on Freuen and the wings next to SBW. But clearly they did not learn from the Cheetahs.

      Smith25 - 2011-07-05 12:37

      Well said. You hit the nail on the head!

      Jason - 2011-07-05 13:39

      Fruean deserves WAY more credit, he's outstanding. SBW deserves less credit. Having the ability to catch one of his wild offloads is MUCH more impressive than the offload itself. Well done Fruean!

      Durasmart - 2011-07-05 13:58

      Precisely and that just proves once again that Allister Coetzee is not a coach's ass.

      Kok - 2011-07-05 14:02

      @Durasmart: Maybe, just maybe he is also under instruction. We know who is the director of rugby at WP.

      MaestroX - 2011-07-05 14:26

      People, we need to give credit where it’s due, SBW is outstanding, he is massive, fast and has great feet, his off loads in the tackle are darn near impossible to stop. Best way to stop it is to make sure you have the next guy covered so you are able to tackle him as soon as he gets the ball, or you have to be between him and the intended player. Either way you need to make a plan to handle it, if we don't we will have a problem. We have known about it all year and yet in the semi-final with supposedly SA’s two best centres we were once again unable to stop it. Fruean is a good player but I doubt he will be the AB no 13, how scary is that!! SBW is in a different class to Fruean, Frueans tries are 90% as a result of the brilliance of SBW.

      Porra - 2011-07-05 16:27

      Kok, did'nty saw your comment first time. Excellent comment. Strmers needed to have a Johnston marking SBW.

  • WPBLIKSEM - 2011-07-05 12:23

    Reds by 3++

      Hein - 2011-07-05 14:33

      Now I know to put my money and Superbru prediction on the Crusaders - just a question WPBLIKSEM - het jy enige voorspellings reg gehad die heel jaar? Al jou voorspellings wat ek gesien het was verkeerd!!!

  • Marx - 2011-07-05 12:23

    What I hope Div will realise is that we need to start attacking the gaps and not try to run over players. That's one of the basic things the AB's have been doing for years. They don't try and run through or over players, they attack the gaps between players and create the offload situation which has been key in the AB's success. Sonny simply ran into the space, forcing two players to defend, immediately creating some space, and managed to offload. Why do we run out of steam like last year at Orlando, the guys try this direct physical approach, slamming into the opposition time after time, while the AB's simply attack every little space available, forcing more tackles, wearing down the opposition and clinching victory at the end.

      Peter - 2011-07-05 13:03

      100% in agreement with you Marx.

      MaestroX - 2011-07-05 14:37

      Marx you are 100% correct, couldn't have said it better. Too long we have had the bonehead mentality of "I'm going to run over your head!!!" Players like Danie, Burger (less so lately), Spies, Duane, etc etc, all get the ball and the first thing they do, tuck it under their arm, pull a face like a mad man and charge towards the nearest defender so they can barge into them, 90% of the time tripping themselves over the defender more so than even being tackled. With the ball under your arm there is only one thing you can do, charge. We need to find ball players, guys like Koster, Brits (whose SBW offload in the semi, dam near gave JF a try in the corner) guys who can create a half gap instead of trying to bash one. Not saying they must all be like that, you still need the hard working, ball winning and tackling man.

  • GraemeBB - 2011-07-05 12:31

    Lets not stop with PDivy - I read loads of comments about SBW being a show pony, and how he would be figured out blah-blah. The man is a factor, and tests his opposition every time he goes on the field. His opposition will always have it in their minds that they are playing against SBW. Just one run, or one off-load can cost a team 7 points. He does it week in and out. So, Pdivy and others, accept SBW is a danger, and make plans to counter him. He is not going away, and ignoring his brilliance wont work iether.

      Mike Webber - 2011-07-05 12:49

      Agreed. Div tried a bit of psychology on SBW and it backfired horribly. Let's see our maestro coach in action as he comes up with more pearls of wisdom about our opposition. Quota appointment !!!

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-05 13:16

      @GraemeBB - I say again, SBW is a gifted athlete but twat of note. A lot of what P Divvy said about SBW is 100% accurate - as Brendan Venter (the theory) and Barry Geel (the man held responsible for implementing Venter's theory-17 tackles made - 0 missed proved when the Saders played the Cheetahs. P Divvy said that someone would work out how to stop SBW, and the very next week that is exactly what happened. P Divvy also spoke a lot of borderline gibberish about SBW, but he got a few things spot on. I for one am delighted the opinion is out there that SBW can't be beaten and is 'indestructible' - because that will put a lot of pressure on Henry to DROP his combo of Nonu and Smith, and play SBW and Freuan - and it is RIGHT there my friend, that NZ will blow their chances of winning the WC. (as they do every WC when they replace the tried and trusted for the latest flavour of the month.. - epic fail every WC) I would also like to see SBW perform with as much 'freedom' under the Northern Hemisphere refs....who are pedantic, and who I have no doubt will NOT ignore his various 'off the ball' and 'dirty' plays he has managed to get away with in the S15 - just my opinion of course. Let's see how he goes in the Tri Nations.....and what Henry does with him. He is like Wayne Rooney - GIFTED athlete, but a twat of note.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-05 13:19

      @GraemeBB - sorry, just wanted to add - Watch the Tri-Nations carefully....Robbie Deans and the Aussies will lead the way in "countering the SBW" myth.

      Mikus - 2011-07-05 13:50

      Check the individual stats - SBW, Juan and Jaques are all identical in height and virtually identical in mass so why I ask is SBW able to get so much futher over the gain line as our lads? Also, take a guy like Kieran Read, similar in stature to our loosies, but the destructive power he generates in the tackle is deadly unlike our attempts which are merely so so - why?

      Howzitekse - 2011-07-05 13:51

      So the Cheetahs countered SBW. That only proves that in all the matches he played this year, he was stopped once. There are players in the Bok squad who have only had one good game this year.

      BlueRaven - 2011-07-05 13:56

      @GraemeBB yes SBW is a very talented athlete but one player alone does not make a team. The 1995 Bok squad had to face the then very talented and what would seam unstoppable Jonah Lomu, I will keep the faith in our Bokke and believe that they will be up to the challenge. At least PdV knows now that he has his work cut out for him.

      MaestroX - 2011-07-05 14:49

      Hmmm SAFFA, I have to disagree with you on this one. The Cheetahs made one tackle on him that might have hurt him slightly but I watched the game and I feel it’s in a maul that he fell awkwardly and got hurt. Even so, he is a phenomenal player. i played centre at a relatively high level and marking a player like him was a very difficult job, one you worried about far more than playing either a massive centre or one who was extremely quick. Personally if I was a New Zealander I would love to see Smith and SBW as a combination, I believe Nonu isn't the player he was 2 years ago. But yes, I am extremely excited about seeing just how well he performs when it’s for the AB against us and the Aussies. I hope I am wrong!! I must say, facing Carter, SBW, Smith and the dearth of wings at their disposal is going to be a nerve wracking experience for our players and us as supporters every time they get the ball

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-05 15:19

      @MaestroX - It wasn't SBW that Barry Geel was tackling....he was nailing the receivers of SBW's offloads. That is where the success lay. It was our primary mistake on Saturday - Jaque Fourie tackled SBW when Koster ALREADY HAD HIM, leaving Robbie to collect and run......Jaque (who is usually a defensive king) should NOT have been focusing on SBW - Koster had him, and was always going to get him down. When Jaque turned to tackle SBW (unecessarily....) Robbie, the receiver had a free pass. The Cheetahs got it right, because Barry Geel NAILED every poor sod who tried to collect from a SBW pass. And the Cheetahs trusted each other to nail the person each one was responsible for....Barry Geel did just that.

      MaestroX - 2011-07-05 15:52

      Agreed SAFFA, I saw the photo of the off load by SBW and you are right both Koster and JF are tackling him which is a mistake, I spoke about it in one of my earlier threads where I said you either need to nail who he off loads too or you need to get in-between him and his attackers. Even so, he is going to be such a marked man in the WC that it will leave gaps for the players around him which is just as useful to a team who know how to use that. He will be a factor in the Tri-nations and the WC unless injured. He may not win it for the AB because WC's have a funny way of levelling the playing field, one need only remember how ineffective SA made JL look. However that just took huge guts, stopping someone like SBW will take defensive patterns and technique. Can we do it? I think with the right players, absolutely!

      Tamzin M - 2011-07-05 17:08

      @Graeme...i am a Saders supporter but i agree with you, ignoring his brilliance would be stupid.

      Warren - 2011-07-05 21:41

      @ GraemeBB: I'm having trouble understanding why you're singing SBW"s praises. I speak under correction but I don't think I have ever seen him kick a ball away, he prefers to run at the opposition & either score tries or create them. A bit like my pal Sarel Pretorius (who is still joint highest try scorer of the super 15) & whos tackling is about as bad as SBW's. In short, one week you're for players who kick the ball away & the next you're for players who keep the ball in hand. And please, spare me the childish response as per your last reply.

      GraemeBB - 2011-07-05 23:21

      @Warren - centre isnt a kicking position - the 101's of rugby. I dont believe that I expect props or flanks to kick the ball iether. I am sure I didnt say every player on the field must kick the ball. HOWEVER, if you watched the game against the Stormers, SBW gave a little grubber (along the ground). None the less, the RWC is in NZ, and I think the kicking game will be part of the game plan. A scrummy with a boot can take off pressure from his flyhalf, and can also prove instrumental in the positional and tacktical departmet. Sarel may be the best attacking scrummy, but his style wont suit the boks game plan - or they would have selected him with their eyes closed. I do understand the support he is receiving from the rugby public, I do. However, I cant explain his omission from the Bok squad any clearer. SBW has pedagree, and has shown up our Bok centres twice this year. If he didnt score, he created a try, and that is a fact. I never saw JDV break the line once, did you? I would suggest we take SBW seriously, before we encounter him in the Quarter finals of the RWC, and he teaches us another lesson. Who knows how Henry's plans to use him. To be honest, I would love to have him play for us instead, as I am sure any coach would too. And even though he can be stopped, it seems to be quite a difficult task. Well, this is my story. I may be wrong (especially about the props kicking), but I am sticking with it.

      Warren - 2011-07-06 00:06

      @ GraemeBB: Read my first reply again please, I have absolutely no problem with SBW... I have a problem with SBW being liked by YOU!!! As for PdV stopping SBW, it's pretty simple actually. He only has to watch the game between the Cheetahs & the Crusaders. P.S. Also, read the "I speak under correction" part again (slowly).

      GraemeBB - 2011-07-06 09:54

      @Warren - when I read your posts, I always read it slowly - twice. It appears that you always speak under correction. Why do you care whom I like and who not. I like Quade Cooper too. They make for some entertaining rugby, even if they are not South African. As for the Cheetahs' game, they had beaten the Crusaders, not SBW. If a man doesnt put in a performance in one game, you think he is worked out? Hahaha. If it were as simple to stop SBW as you seem to think, again, why arent our Bok centres doing it? Warren, just admit he has certain skills that can prove dangerous. Now, if you read my post again, I never said lets give up, this man is unstoppable - I am saying, you need to plan to counter him, or he will make you pay.

      Warren - 2011-07-06 13:20

      @ GraemeBB: Eish, my bru, let me simplify it for you. 1) This is only my 4th ever rugby comment so stop clutching at straws with the " Speaking Under Correction" thing. 2) You can like however you want. 3) My problem is you blow hot one week & cold the next while passing yourself off as some Zandberg Jansen personality. 4) The Cheetah victory is not the topic at hand. The topic is stopping SBW. 5) I don't have to admit to SBW's skills when I never questioned them in the first place. What I did say is anybody is stoppable (just ask Barry Geel how to stop SBW). 6) Why our SBK centers haven't spoken to Barry Geel I don't know. Anyway, why don't you give Jean de Villiers a call & ask him yourself? 7) I do agree with your last sentence, but then again, I'm pretty sure so will everybody else. I trust the above will now make myself absolutely clear & that you will stop twisting my words & changing the subject.

      GraemeBB - 2011-07-06 13:55

      @Warren You mean I can like whom ever I want - and thank you kindly for the permission - just a post ago you had a problem with it. As for blowing hot and cold? If you can focus a bit, I said a scrummy must be able to employ a kicking game, and you asked me why I like SBW, because he doent kick. I answered that. I cant help you if you are slow. And if Geel didnt play for the Cheetahs, my appologies. I spoke to Jean last night, and he said Geel's phone hasnt been Rika-ed, so he will try again - but it appears that he tacked him - as simple as that, hey Warren? Totsiens ou groote

      Warren - 2011-07-06 15:07

      @ GraemeBB: No insult intended but I did asked you before to spare me the childish response. I apologize for stepping on your toes & will not enter into a debate with you again coz clearly if someone doesn't agree with you they will get peppered with insults. That is also a clear indicator of your age, which is probably why you don't have your picture next to your name (I have also noted on a previous article you called for a reader, who replied to your comment, to post his picture while you remain faceless.) Once again, sorry for messing up your day.

      GraemeBB - 2011-07-06 16:21

      @Warren - Sorry, you point me out as blowing hot and cold, and with a remarkably stupid senario - Why do I like SBW (which you have a problem with), because he doesnt kick? But I dont think Sarel isnt the SH for the WC, when he doesnt kick. How can you compare a scrummy to a centre? I think you were out to have an argument, so there you have it. BUT - if you dont like what I have to say, scroll on by mate. Problem solved.

      Warren - 2011-07-06 17:57

      @ Graeme: Well, if you insist, I will take back my apology (which you once again misinterpreted, as it was meant as SARCASM). However there is a catch... I will replace it with another. I apologize for making you my BIAAAAATCH!!!!!! (Which was rather easy). P.S. And for the freaking last time, I DO NOT have a problem with you liking SBW, I have a problem with you liking his skills. Man, you are thick as a brick, ffs. Now go do your homework before you get into trouble tomorrow.

      GraemeBB - 2011-07-07 11:21

      @Warren - are you on tik? Meths? Or just one stupid individual??? Where did I say you have a problem with SBW? You clearly dont respect him, and have concluded that it is easy to stop him. Why is there a problem because I like his rugby? Then you say you dont care if I like him, then you do. You are too stupid to see when you are getting your ass kicked. You dont understand the difference between a scrummy and a centre. You are such a fool, calling me a school kid, but arguing with the "school kid" - not getting respect at home. With the kind of arguments you make, it doesnt surprise me. Bye-Bye - I need to speak to clever big people - you are an idiot.

  • Johan - 2011-07-05 12:33

    Don't know whether the All blacks will play with the same kind of flair the Crusaders play with...normally on international level when it matters (World Cup) you don't play with that kind of flair... personally I think thats why the All blacks struggle in world cups..they are told to just win and don't try to many tricks... Australia on the other hand....Mr Cooper I don't think cares in which competitin he plays and maybe that is why is consistent...I don't know Its going to be a great final...considering their previous match! I think we must stop crying count our talent and start preparing we have enough the end of the day I think its about how bad we want it (determination)....yes we do have a lot of old wood but there is enough talent to change them.. Lets wait and see....maybe we are one thought England would be in the final in 2007 with all their old wood!

  • Andre - 2011-07-05 12:40

    Vir eers moet daar vasgestel word wat is die politieke opdrag aan PdeV. Dit lyk tans na n 33% verteenwoordiging van ander kleuriges. Dit is waar sy probleem begin om die regte kombinasies te kies. Sy agterste drie word daardeur belemmer met individue, soos Mmvobo, ens. So goed soos wat Aplon speel is hy te klein. Hulle het hom Saterdag soos n stoflap rondgeslinger. Sy ander probleem is die senters. Jy het altyd een "nippy" senter nodig. Dink aan Mannetjies, Dirk Froneman en dan het oorlede Etienne Botha meer driee uit die senter posisie gedruk as al die vleuels in SA saam.

      FrankLee - 2011-07-05 12:49

      Hulle moet seker maar almal wit ouens wees wat goed kan rugby speel, nê?

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-05 13:36

      @Andre - you are talking cr@p - plain and simple..........Explain the presence of the WHITE "quota" players in Div's squad? (You know who I am referring 2) What a narrow minded chap you are.

      kosie - 2011-07-05 14:08

      stem saam, hulle moet vir dejongh en fourie speel

      Howzitekse - 2011-07-05 19:49

      Nice racist comment Andre. Strange how people like you can insult the 96% of the SA population based on skin colour and your comments are left up. When I point out that there are white players in the squad who have serious shortcomings, my comments are removed. Maybe the ANC is right and that the SA press stinks.

      GraemeBB - 2011-07-05 23:34

      Yes, there obviously is an expectation that we have players of colour in the Bok team. An all white team will not be accepted! The difference is that we have fantastic players of colour in SA. Peterson, Mvovo, DeJong, Aplon, Beast and Chiili, just to mention a few. I think SA rugby will always be an issue, but it doesnt have to. The players are good enough to claim their Bok positions. @Andre - jy moet wakker skrik boet - rugby is vir almal.

  • Stryder - 2011-07-05 12:42

    To be fair, getting hands through the tackle for the offload has always been a basic skill in rugby, taught to me since I was under 13. What Div was referring to in his comments regarding SBW was the back hand offloads and the marginal offloads where the ball should rather be recycled. The offload to Fruan was a conventional and textbook "hands through the tackle" offload. Never-the-less he remains a plonker and will be reaping the rewards of not actually changing anything substantially since 2007.

  • The Goose - 2011-07-05 12:43

    Jean D Villiers and Jacque Fourie are getting slower.They say you get more endurance when you approach your thirties but i think we have more 'willing' and quicker centre's available.The Reds have almost revived aussie rugby with their pace attack.PDV as much as i like you, please do not bank on Jake White's leftovers.Create your own thing!

      Mike Webber - 2011-07-05 12:51

      One of, if not THE biggest problem with Bok rugby, is that under the new laws, the game has changed. It's gotten faster. And I don't mean in the backline. Every other nation has adapted to playing faster, getting the ball out with SPEED, but not the Boks. We still throw heaps of Boks into the rucks and then wait 20 seconds to decide which side to go. Defences can read us like a text book. They see us coming.

      The Goose - 2011-07-05 12:59

      I have also noticed that the rucks and malls are followed up much quicker by the NZ and Aus players.In SA we depend on bakkies, matfield being strong enough to to hold off other players and do the ground work, while our scrummie waits.

  • Johan - 2011-07-05 12:53

    I think we should stick to our 1940 type of rugby against the All Blacks...we don't have the type of flair they have and have to use our talent. Our forwards must get something (maybe more rest or I don't know what) sothat they can place the oponents forwards under immense presure...espesially the scrums and lineouts.... This will immediately have an effect on the backline Mr Carter (we will see how he will handle presure).. Then play the teretorail game and then create chanses....We have to ensure we play Frans Steyn sothat we can even try and convert penalties within our own half..and he can tackle. Tackle...well they need to do that exceptionally well to ensure the All blacks don't get momentum... This will frustrate the All Blacks since they don't get momentum...points against them when they expect a line out kick, this will place them under more presure in the game because they are the favourites...(like for all the previous World Cups) I know its extremely ugly 1940...but for another World Cup title...its worth the try... O ja we should do all this without conceding Yellows or Reds... Don't have an answer for Ausies because Mr Cooper can handle presure quite well and make points out of it! Good Luck MR P Divvy, I think you going to need it!

      Mr. Jones - 2011-07-05 13:40

      Johan, I agree, the last 4 world cups were won this way. We have 2 concerns though, we are suspect at No.3 and our flyhalfs cannot play going backwards, so we definately should pick the guys who can keep us going forward. Even though in the round robin games against England we played more expansive in the final we resorted back to a 10 man game. We are such a negative nation when it comes to support of our teams. The Crusaders played well and deserved to win. Only about 4 of the Stormers will make the starting line-up of the boks anyway. Very likely only one of the forwards. Lets get behind the BOKs now and support whoever is being picked. Maybe some positive comments will make their mindsets more positive and go into the world cup with at least a hope rather than a choke.

      InternetMan - 2011-07-05 14:04

      I agree with you 100%

      Johan - 2011-07-05 15:27

      I agree...with you both!

  • roboman1 - 2011-07-05 12:55

    Thank goodness we all know the All Blacks will choke cometh the world cup!

      Howzitekse - 2011-07-05 14:14

      Our only hope?

      Rob van den Heuvel - 2011-07-05 16:03

      If history repeats itself then yes, you are right. Based on S15, I'm less hopeful.

      Tamzin M - 2011-07-05 17:20

      wldnt you feel like a complete PRIZED CHOP if they go further than you!!!! *tisk tisk* so Simple minded..

      Razz-ma-Tazz - 2011-07-05 17:28

      You and your BOK supporters wish the ALL BLACKS will choke again. Please tell us now already what your excuse going to be when the AB going to win the World Cup. You do not have a match for Ritchie, Carter and SBW.

  • birdman - 2011-07-05 12:57

    Players like Sonny Bill come onto the scene every now and again. They're the guys that give rugby that extra sparkle albeit that they might play for the "wrong" side. At the end of the day, just to watch them play is refreshing. This is one of the factors that make rugby such a multi faceted game, change just one aspect, and it's a "new" game!

  • slick - 2011-07-05 13:03

    Why do the stormers have the biggest support base in the country ? These poor fellows have'nt won anything in ten years ? They should rather be called the most desperate supporters in the country !!!!

      The Goose - 2011-07-05 13:07

      I'd say the Bulls are the desperate ones slick.remember the laser tactic they tried against the sharks a few weeks ago? I will never forget what Joel Stransky said " People like that should be fed to the wolves" Strong words dont you think? Desperation does that...

      Stryder - 2011-07-05 13:19

      Because true supporters support their team regardless of whether they win or lose. Only losers only support their team when it is winning.

      FearoPhobia - 2011-07-05 13:25

      @Goose - yup, saw that and lost the last tiny bit of respect I had left for Bulls supporters. Only in Blue Bull country will you find an idiot big enough to pull a stunt like that.

      JJRR - 2011-07-05 13:59

      Patetiese comments net n bewys hulle is SUUR! om rede al weer niks gewen het nie! Een suppoter maak nie n hele supporter base sleg nie, pateties!

      FearoPhobia - 2011-07-05 14:55

      @JJRR - My opinie is gebaseer op 25 jaar se rugby kyk en honderde Bulls supporters. Nie net een ou nie. Hy was maar net nog 'n voorbeeld. Maar ek stem saam jy kry goeie Bulls supporters ook. Ek het baie vriende wat Bulls is. Oor die algemeen hou ek maar net nie van hulle nie want hulle dink die Bulls is die enigste span in SA en wil altyd die ander spanne en supporters afkraak en weet altyd van beter. Dis een of ander sindroom wat hulle almal aan ly. Sorry, niks persoonlik nie.

      The Goose - 2011-07-05 15:10

      FearoPhobia, i am aware that there are decent bulls supporters outhere.I was at the driving range the morning when bulls played Stormers in Cape Town and there was this oak with his Bulls atire Teeing off next to me.I wished him luck for the match and he said the same thing back and was very friendly.Guy travelled from PTA for the match-Good spirit for the sake and name of the game.No name calling nothing...Dan kry jy die laser

      Tamzin M - 2011-07-05 17:26

      @The Goose...i am a NZ supporter in all aspects (im not S. African, im a Zimbo, just incase i get accused of not being patriotic =P) and i even thought that laser stunt was bullsh*t...if a sharks supporter did that wen Francois Steyn went for a kick...i bet your bottom dollar he would not have made it out the stadium alive.

  • Anneleen - 2011-07-05 13:18

    ...Todd BlackADDer's team just keeps on adding to Divvy's life...

      Airborne68 - 2011-07-05 14:00

      Todd Dark calculator?

  • Stompies - 2011-07-05 13:29

    Maybe his dispair is simply because he is a stormer supporter? I saw the same expression of disbelief and rude awakening in the faces of the other stormer supporters!

  • anton.botes3 - 2011-07-05 13:36

    Mark my words - the Bokke will give the All Blacks a run for their money in the sem-final - and have a very good chance of winning it. I see that semi-final also as the real final. Luckily for us the core of the Bok team is in fact not from the Stormers - but a few individuals in the Stormers team do have the credentials to add value to the Bok team - Go Bokke!

      Mike@CapeT - 2011-07-05 15:34


      Rob van den Heuvel - 2011-07-05 16:04

      I certainly hope you are right.

      my_story - 2011-07-07 10:08

      the stormers v crusaders was all a bluff. SA needs to be losing just before the world cup in order to win it. we're a come from behind team. we'll lose the tri-nations too. and then watch out come world cup. spies, beast, matfield, habana - all the rust will come off and they'll be all over them.

  • swiq.louis - 2011-07-05 13:37

    SBW showed us what rugby can be. Think back to 2010, probably the best season by any SA team ever in Superugby. In the first 3 games you knew that the opposition had to score 50 points to come close to the Bulls. What happened? Everybody jumped on the bandwagon of criticising the Bulls defence! What a joke... Now our best team (the Stormers) made the semis with almost the least number of tries in the whole competition. And there is the problem; we encourage and support boring, defence-based game plans. What happened to the X-factor???

  • SIR WILLIAM - 2011-07-05 13:38

    Just for fun,who will win between these two teams. A: B. 1. Steenkamp 1. Beast 2. Smit 2. Bissy 3. Jannie 3. WP Nel 4. Bakkies 4. Danie R 5. Victor 5. Bekker 6. Burger 6. Brussow 7. J Smith 7. Johnson 8. Spies 8. Alberts 9. Du Preez 9. Hougies 10. M Steyn 10. Lambie 11. Habanna 11. Mvovu 12. JDV 12. JDJ 13. J Fourie 13. J Fourie 14. JP Pieteren 14. Basson 15. F Steyn 15. Aplon You will notice that I included Fourie twice at 13, shocking that we do not have another world class 13. So people what do you think ?

      paulmandlankosi - 2011-07-05 13:48

      A will win corfotably

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-05 14:19

      The "A" team would be favourites with supposed supremacy in the lineouts and scrums. But I would put a tidy amount of cash on the "B" team beating that "A" team - and not just as a once off.

      StBad - 2011-07-05 15:05

      I'm sure PdV is happy to put Ad Jacobs in as 'a world class 13'

  • Greencap - 2011-07-05 13:47

    Great work Sport24 team, another job well done. Excellent journalism... the skill involved in pasting articles from more seasoned professional websites and then jumping on the band wagon is pure genius. Well done

  • Curveball - 2011-07-05 13:48

    The problem with PdV is that he is still struggling to adapt to the old rules.

  • Kok - 2011-07-05 14:04

    Craig Joubert did well on Saturday. He should be the referee in the WC final between NZ and AUS later this year.

  • caleb69 - 2011-07-05 14:30

    Would love to see divs face after the world cup, especially with his team choice we'll struggle to make the semis

      BlueRaven - 2011-07-05 14:40

      @caleb69 I for one would LOVE to see PdV and the Bokke succeed against the odds

  • Flyhalf - 2011-07-05 14:39

    So Pee Wee is worried. Well he is not the only one.

  • andre - 2011-07-05 14:47

    ou snorre is mos mal oor Adie Jacobs-kom ons sien of Jacobs vir Sonny bill Williams kan match(he he).

  • Tana - 2011-07-05 14:48

    Dankie vir die aap wat my opinie verwyder het

  • andre - 2011-07-05 14:55

    Ek hoop ou snorre het nou gesien dat die Stormers nie opgewasse is vir die Springbokspan nie,met die uitsondering van Jaque Fourie,Juan de Villiers en Schalk Burger wat wel kwalifiseer.Ou snorre hou mos van daardie klein mannetjie Aplon wat soms heelagter en soms vleuel probeer speel-ek wil sien hoe die all Blacks oor hom hardloop.Verder is Bekker,die slot,ongelooflik stadig en ek dink soms hy kan nie die bal volg as dit ingegooi word in die lynstaan nie-dink,ou snorre,dink en dink jy weer. voorry in die world cup: Guthro steenkamp,bismark du plessis en The beast,dan 2de ry: Bakkies en Victor-die skrum krag kom verskriklik baie vanaf die 2 slotte wat die voorry help-rugby begin by die vaste 5,het nog altyd en sal altyd.Dink,ou snorre,dink en dan dink jy weer 'n keer.

  • MaestroX - 2011-07-05 15:24

    SAFFA 100% right on the money with the coaching style and mentality of SA coaches. I remember as a kid, when we played against the big Afrikaans schools, Paarl Boys High, Gym, Paul Roos, as under 12s and 13s we used to get smashed, they used to be bigger and faster than us and no matter how courageously you defended they eventually wore you out. However as we got older and began to catch up in size, our style of play was was separated us from them and we used have great games against them, in my last three years we never lost to the likes of them and we played the running rugby where we had a fullback who could run into gaps and offload when he was caught in a tackle just like SBW and we lost 1 game in 3 years in the WC. The only school we didn't play was Grey Bloem who drew with Gym and who we beat. However there just seems to be an abundance of big young Afrikaans boys and the style of play just suits kids when they are much bigger than most, however it doesn’t encourage true rugby, 15 man rugby. We just seem to have a culture of 10 man rugby, of massive forwards trying to run over everyone; somehow we need to change that.

  • Jack Turner - 2011-07-05 15:52

    The Goose....Listen "Schmuckie"...No one likes a fool who tries to do stupid things, like what happend at Loftus. Joel Stransky is potentially the Dummy of note when it come to commentary. It has often been said that he finds it difficult to spell his own name......please dont use him as a referrence.... We "The Bulls" are in no way close to being desparate.....8 trophies in the past 10 years....5 Curry Cups...3 Super 14 Trophies..... Have a look at our record since becoming a Union in 1938.... We leave all and sundry in our wake......

      Kleinboet - 2011-07-05 22:05

      Jack, did you actually go and COUNT all those trophies? Man, we ordinary people have better things to do with our life; therefore, we live in the present. By the way, did you know that from 1938 until the professional era came, the Police and the Defence Force would recrute the best players from all over South Africa and transfer them to Pretoria to Head Office to play for Northern Transvaal? Your team had, in essence, professional players all those years while the rest of the country had amateurs. They were made sergeants and captains, etc., and did nothing but practice and play rugby. And the tax payer paid their salaries! You still have a tendency to buy on large scale rather than to develop; but, at least, now we are ALL professionals. Good luck with your trophies, you deserved them. Now look into the future and keep winning them.

  • Toss the Midget - 2011-07-05 15:55

    Is this a gay site ?

      Kleinboet - 2011-07-05 22:06


  • Toss the Midget - 2011-07-05 15:56

    Is this a gay site ?

      Kleinboet - 2011-07-05 22:07

      Again: Yes.

  • Porra - 2011-07-05 16:26

    Ask the Cheetahs how to stop SBW. Johnston marked him first half and second half SBW left the field. They did it with the help of Brendon Venter. SBW is no problem he is a challenge. Divvy just need the right game plan against the Aussies and AB's and we will be fine. Big problem Saturday was that Schroeder did nothing but pass the ball. Easy defence. Have a look at the Cheetahs Saders game and see how Sarel an Co had the Saders guessing the whole game. Strmers missed Duanes bulk defence.

  • Michael - 2011-07-05 17:02

    Who wrote this?! I would love to just know who wrote this. It doesn't look South African, has to be either Aussie or Kiwi deranged twadle. And if it's South African then he's a___________!!! (fill in the gap with whatever comes to mind!)And so what?! Has anyone stopped to think what they would do - as we all did- when watching a South African team loose?! It's like watching paint dry!So they beat the Stormers...People are fickly and fickle minded. Has anyone forgot the 2009 season? Started in November 2008? We swept all before us. Super 14,Lions Series,Tri-Nations, rugby 7's.Every major tournament and event. Now all this talk about how New Zealand will win the World Cup, I ask you with tears in your eyes, is the tournament fixed?! (That's rhetorical)So if New Zealand have won it, why not just give it to them and why bother flying all the way out there anyway. Make the Europeans and Africans schlep all the way to NZ for nothing. Piss off! We in South Africa have so much talent it's unbelievable. If only politicians and politics would be left out!We just need to get politics out of sport and sort this unconsistent playing patern! One year we win everything the next, we can't win an egg ans spoon race! But just wait and see. Come who has the best strike rate in the World? Yup, South Africa.Four Tournaments and two wins. Also, case in point against politics and race is Straeuli. Had he not been coach...

  • Grant - 2011-07-05 18:56

    I want the Reds to win, and hope that BAD REFFING is the key to that win. The Crusaders can play brilliant rugby, but I cant respect them until they start doing it without the ref in their team... As for SBW - Brenden Venter got it spot on! SBW is not the danger-man... the support runner is! Commit one man to tackling SBW, and mark the man coming through on his hip. 90% of his effectiveness will be neutralised!

  • Kleinboet - 2011-07-05 22:24

    It might be a blessing in disguise if everybody believe the Boks to be no match for the other teams. It will not be the first time that we are rated the underdogs and surprise everyone - 1995, 2007. Those teams that are overconfident and believe that they already have the Cup in the kitty, might just find out how terribly wrong they were! Still, it's going to take something special to become the first team to successfully defend the cup. (Mind you, Bulls supporters will tell you it's a walk in the park!) I agree that we have big, big problems; but I will keep on supporting the Boks to the bitter end. (I did so with my Stormers team and was crucified for being an idiot and a papsaksuiper!) Let's get behind the team no matter what - bad coach, bad selections, bad strategies, bad supporters, etc.

  • Nobody - 2011-07-05 22:38

    I think rugby is ready for an era where we the supporters can vote for who WE want the national coach to be. Imagine a democratic process where the majority decides the best man for the job, where the powers that be have to align with us, the paying consumers of the game of rugby. One can only wish. For now we are stuck with this political/business decision that is a minority choice. Viva Springbok!

  • Bruce Fox - 2011-07-06 09:38

    Ewen McKenzie said exactly the same thing about Sonny Bill a week after P Divvy and its interesting to note the lack of vitriol directed at him! Just saying....

  • Superdude - 2011-07-06 09:47

    "He had just witnessed his best South African provincial team on their home turf clinically disposed of by the core of the All Blacks Test line-up. " I think that says it all...a provincial team vs Test team...

  • 106SA - 2011-07-06 10:11

    Can someone PLEASE please explain to me,what the Stormers forwards are always doing in the backline???????

  • georgemtem - 2011-07-06 15:10

    Crusaders to outclass Reds by 11 points.....

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