Coetzee laughs off White jibe

2013-06-26 23:15

Cape Town - Stormers coach Allister Coetzee says former Bok coach Jake White's comments that Australian rugby players are smarter than their South African counterparts "must be taken with a pinch of salt."

White, who is currently the Brumbies mentor, coached the Springboks to World Cup glory in France in 2007.

He says his current crop of players are smarter and more hard-working than any team he has coached.

"I am not saying that South African players are dumb, it’s just that these guys are a lot more educated about a lot of things," White said in an interview with Forbes magazine.

Coetzee, who was White's assistant coach at the Boks from 2004 to 2007, believes his words cannot be taken too seriously.

"I know we are 11th on the log, but Jake had a lot to say in that week leading up to the Stormers game. He spoke about the Stormers backs being too small and look what happened.

"We scored four tries and won the game. Every person has his own opinion and you just have to take things with a pinch of salt," Coetzee said on Wednesday after he was asked what he thought about White's comments.

"If you feel a bit bad about that then you will only have yourself to blame.

"You can never allow what someone else says to make you believe what you really are. South Africa won the British and Irish Lions with a series victory whereas the Aussies are currently 1-0 down in the series."

Coetzee also denied reports that the Cape franchise are looking to sign newly-capped Springbok scrumhalf Piet van Zyl.

"I don't know where that information comes from. Agents could possibly have spoken to Rob (Wagner, Stormers CEO).

"It's the silly season and it does not necessarily mean that players are coming to Cape Town.

"I will only say so if it is in black and white.

"But I must obviously look where I can replace players like Bryan Habana, Andries Bekker and Dewaldt Duvenage who will definitely be leaving."


  • Honourable Doctyson - 2013-06-26 23:21

    Check net die fototjie julle, dom soos 'n stoof se ek jou. Toonbeeld van WP-rugby

      Honourable Doctyson - 2013-06-26 23:57

      "you're" "you're" Talking about thick as bricks.

      Honourable Doctyson - 2013-06-27 00:34

      Shame mommie, I'm so immature and sensitive.

      Chrisin Oz - 2013-06-27 00:58

      Stephen, by responding to the lonely loser, you're giving him what he wants. You should see him squirm when you ignore him. That's more fun.

      Honourable Doctyson - 2013-06-27 01:04

      And the best fun of all, chrissie too scared to take me on anymore. I guess if you've been knocked down 80 times plus there is no comeback anymore, down and out. Mission accomplished. Next please

      Chrisin Oz - 2013-06-27 02:56

      Daan, the cumulative count against the loser is probably starting to resemble a cricket score between the Proteas and Tshwane's blind under 9 girls team.

      Honourable Doctyson - 2013-06-27 04:06

      Hi julle, lekker chirp my 3 fox terriers nou hier. Dokter speel darem nou lekker met die outjies, hene julle. Kyk hoe hardloop hulle in sirkeltjies, te oulik.

      Grootrot van Zyl - 2013-06-27 07:56

      You are ridiculing the stoof.

      Brutus Mcgreggor - 2013-06-27 08:58

      Bwhaaaaa Doc, I see the toddler's mof tag team is back so the young one is full of bravado again today, he quickly forgot the hiing he received yesterday

  • Ryno Everts - 2013-06-26 23:25

    If jake believe that. Why are south africa the first country in world rugby to have won all three major cups in world rugby(world cup,tri-nations and super cup)at the same time.Where as they(australia) can't even compete in 7's rugby or at under21. Yet again we were camps in the world 7's series and at the under21 world cup last year. So white think again.

  • Bart Engelbrecht - 2013-06-26 23:25

    I'm a stormers supporter and would like a move with Mitchell or Plumtree to take over and Coetzee to join the paul true company,,

      Honourable Doctyson - 2013-06-26 23:31

      You shouldn't say that out loud in public. Quite a joke the stormers aren't they.

      Chrisin Oz - 2013-06-26 23:53

      Bart, I also wouldn't mind a change in coaching staff at the Stormers. But not Mitchell. Coetzee has achieved more than Mitchell. And also not Plumtree. He's getting even more out of date than Heyneke Meyer with his coaching style.

      Honourable Doctyson - 2013-06-26 23:58

      What has Coetzee achieved?

      Sean Bagley - 2013-06-27 00:15

      @Bart AC & the Stormers ran into problems by disregarding the value of the youngsters that were and still are coming through in all of our highly talented schools and universities and instead wanting to keep players who wanted bigger salaries like Bryan Habana,Jacques Fourie,etc. Excellent players that were being sold out to short term gratification,but will ultimately pay the long term price.Far too many talented youngsters the Cape that are being lost to other franchisers. The Stormers were looking for a quick fix instead of long term investment in the multitude of talent that comes through.They should have paid more attention to that and not risk losing players with poor negotiations.

      Honourable Doctyson - 2013-06-27 00:35

      diesel diesel diesel yawn yawn yawn

      Chrisin Oz - 2013-06-27 00:49

      Sean, and we saw last year what can happen if the WP looks after their youngsters. With most of the age group players in the Currie Cup team they won it. If they can keep all these players, there's no team in SA that will challenge them. While it is great that the WP wants to buy young talent like Van Zyl who definitely will make a positive contribution, I believe they should identify their next Bok scrumhalf from the young guys. And please, they should not waste money on big contracts for Jantjies and Taute.

      Honourable Doctyson - 2013-06-27 01:15

      Like nr 1-15 best in the world right? Totally untouchable.

      Grootrot van Zyl - 2013-06-27 11:28

      I think Spencer will do better with the Province backline - they can have Coetzee the face of the team and let him talk. Then we will get a good laugh and good rugby. Sean, it is even worse if you take the Conradies, Januaries, Jantjies's, potentially Lobberts, and brown nose De Villiers into account. WP went from almost drop outs in last year's CC to champs when Brown nose was out and Fourie captained and Catrakilis - I can drop with both feet ( replaced by Jantjies - I cannot drop at all) played for Province. If this does not proof racial discrimination - I don't know what will.

  • Chrisin Oz - 2013-06-26 23:50

    Thanks Sport24. That's a much better photo than the first one.

  • Sean Bagley - 2013-06-26 23:52

    All part of life’s rich tapestry AC not to worry with far too many different characters in the virtual pub that is.... The rugby kenners, the comics, the whacko jobs, the pornographers, the analysts, the A-nal-listers, the 'ladyboys', the feminists, the racists retards,meat eaters and the vegetarians all leaving their "brilliant analogy" on Springbok Rugby that is. Jake White seems to be a man that is rich on material and loves to expand on the guy in the corner who nobody speaks with.

      Honourable Doctyson - 2013-06-26 23:54

      Shut up

      Buksie Botha - 2013-06-27 00:04

      Someone should really punch you in the face

      Chrisin Oz - 2013-06-27 00:06

      Sean, I agree. Jake is not necessarily the best coach (still, he's one of the best), but he must be the coach with the best people management skills in world rugby.

      Honourable Doctyson - 2013-06-27 00:06

      Die diesel maak hom klaar! Klaar!

  • Christiaan Rudolph Potgieter - 2013-06-26 23:53

    As long as we have BEE and politics and quotas are in sport, Allister will be seen as one, and Jake with his success record is an example of skin color before success, and an outcast. I support the successful talented outcasts of South Africa.

      Christiaan Rudolph Potgieter - 2013-06-26 23:57

      The aussies can see success and use it without prejudice, so I agree with Jake on this one too... because of all the SA sour grapes over his success.

      Buksie Botha - 2013-06-27 00:06

      Are you a cave dwelling barbarian since you are eating meat like one?

      Christiaan Rudolph Potgieter - 2013-06-27 00:25

      Jip, I love my meat.

      Christiaan Rudolph Potgieter - 2013-06-27 00:35

      I'll be fine with being called a cave dweller, if it means I can support my fellow countrymen with talent who are forced to look for greener safer pastures else ware where skin color is not the measure of appointment. I will not sell myself and dignity and safety and culture out for sport, like the romans did in the days of the colosseum to distract them from the problems in their country and their leader.

      Chrisin Oz - 2013-06-27 00:54

      Says the cave dwelling neanderthal who is jumping up and down because he got somehow offended by what White said. Buksie do you really think White will say: "No the South Africans are way more intelligent than the people paying my salary at the moment"?

      Thebe Alec Motshwadira - 2013-06-27 06:55

      This is what white said: White Australian players > white sa players. He has just nade an ass of you people, You are all in denial

      Edward Pretorius - 2013-06-27 07:11

      Ag siestog christiaan hoekom gaan bly jy nie daar by al die sogenaamde "outcast" nie? Lyk of jy baie gelukkig is in die land van Bee en regstellende aksie,die dat jy nog hier agter gebly het! Praat van verkramp! Die buitelandse sport ondersteuners verag suid afrikaners wat agv bogenoemde redes hul eie land verlaat! Kyk maar net na die KP sage onlangs in die land van haar majesteit tannie Bet! En as jy gereeld die nuus volg sal jy oplet hoeveel van hierdie verworpenes hardloop weer terug na die nuwe swak Suid Afrika!

      Nico Eksteen - 2013-06-27 07:34

      Jake's record as Bok coach is not all that great. Winning the RWC rescued his reputation a bit. Luckily for him.

      Chrisin Oz - 2013-06-27 08:00

      Nico, Jake's win ratio (67%) is only behind Christie (100%) and Mallet (71%), since re-admission. Way better than PDiv, Heineken, or Markgraaff. And we're not going to mention Harry Viljoen, Straeulli or McIntosh here are we?

      Omge Klits - 2013-06-27 09:08

      And Mallet lost the world cup for us . . . . . .

  • Chrisin Oz - 2013-06-26 23:56

    Jake only said the Brumbies were the most intelligent team he's ever coached. That's just because he's never coached the WP or the Stormers. I agree with Allister, don't get so worked up about it.

      Honourable Doctyson - 2013-06-27 00:04

      With dom duane, weerlig liebenberg, bekker, bok/brock/brick harris, tafelgooi burger, nagaap aplon etc in the team? Wow, you reckon the intelligence is flowing?

      Sean Bagley - 2013-06-27 02:07

      @Daan le Roux Spot on sir.Including that nobody retard Buksie Botha and latecomer newbie Stephen Trenam.All their ladyboy confessions on this forum,passed on as "comments" is only them letting other brokebacks like themselves know that they still available to take a stiff one up their backsides.

      Chrisin Oz - 2013-06-27 03:01

      No, he won't go away. He'll just come back with a new stolen, fake profile probably. But it is good to see him squirming like the worm he is, now that he gets zero attention. But even talking about him gives him attention, so this is the last I talk about, mention or even refer to the pathetic loser.

      Honourable Doctyson - 2013-06-27 04:09

      Jy weet dit chrissie, verseker gaan ek nerens nie. Kyk dis algemene kennis dat ek jou 50keer en meer hard pakslae gegee het, maar ek het nie besef ek is so diep onder jou velletjie nie. Dit saam met 19jr se bitterheid het duidelik sy tol geeis. Man like ek nou dit vir jou. En ek sien ek het 4 fox terriertjies actually, een suip al ons diesel op, die ander 3 hardloop soos besete rotte rond-en-rond die sirkel en kyk hoe die groot honde veg. Ai ek like dit ongenadiglik.

      Honourable Doctyson - 2013-06-27 04:11

      Diesel bagley, how is the internet dating thing working out for you? Zoosk right?

  • Susara Van Veenhuyzen - 2013-06-27 00:10

    Jealousy makes one ugly!

  • Jimmy NZ - 2013-06-27 03:10

    Anybody still want to argue that JW is an average coach with an inflated ego? Piss poor winning average and won a world cup with a bit of help from NZ and those same Auzzies! He is a drunken @ss!

      Chrisin Oz - 2013-06-27 04:16

      Only coach in Aus that has beaten the Lions so far. Just tell me how the AB's "helped" the Boks in 2007 if they couldn't even help themselves by beating the French? White is only behind Christie and Mallet in terms of win ratio since re-admission for SA. And way better than the majority of All Black coaches before 1980. Only Rod MacQueen in Aus has a better win ratio. So he's comparing quite favourably.

      Honourable Doctyson - 2013-06-27 04:25

      Jimmy, just see chris as an excellent laugh, the chap is quite funny. Here are a few of his predictions from earlier: 1) The stormers will beat the Bulls in the opening game (parra pa pa paaaaa) 2) The stormers will win all their games on tour ( pa paaaa) 3) The stormers will be top of the log by end of May (hilarious) 4) The Bulls will be second last on the log by end of May ( pa pa paaaaaa) So pretty hilarious, decide how much you want to make of his opinions.

      Nico Eksteen - 2013-06-27 07:37

      There's some truth in your comment. Somehow the winning of the RWC gave him an elevated status. His overall record with the Boks is very mediocre

  • Stephan van Heerden - 2013-06-27 04:04

    "Honourable Doctyson" & "Stephen Trenam", please have your disgraceful personal conversation somewhere else. This is not the place.

      Brutus Mcgreggor - 2013-06-27 09:02

      This dude also has a face that looks like a vagina, please go for a DNA test to establish if you are that toddler's long lost dad

  • Louise Barnard - 2013-06-27 06:24

    Is JAke saying these things because the Sharks snubbed him?

      Louis Ferreira - 2013-06-27 11:44

      No he is saying it because it is the truth.

  • Warren Leibbrandt - 2013-06-27 06:39

    Is it just me or has jake white become a real jerk since joining the aussies

  • Melt Esterhuizen - 2013-06-27 06:59

    Mnr. Coetzee, nie dat jy my raad sal volg nie, maar dit wil voorkom of jy in n wereld van ontkenning lewe. Jy ontken dat jy van die beste spelers (gehad) het en steeds beklee jy die 11 de posissie op die log? Hoekom klim jy nie van jou troontjie af en gaan besoek Jake en sien wat doen hy en sy spelers om smarter as ons manne te wees. Miskien net miskien leer jy iets en kan dit jou span in die toekoms help. Jake het niemand afgebreek nie hy het net genoem wat hy ervaar en die skrywer van die artikel het natuurlik die woorde so gedraai dat dit goedkoop sensasie kan wees. As ek reg onthou het die Bulle se afrigtingspan verlede jaar oorsee gegaan om sekere sterkpunte by ander te leer en kyk waar staan hulle vandag? Van die beste spelers gaan jaarliks deur die Maties en hul rugby akademie en jou span sien hulle nie raak nie? Sterkte.

      Nico Eksteen - 2013-06-27 07:45

      Dit help nie as jy van die beste spelers het en hulle bly beseer nie. Ek het baie simpatie met Coetzee a.g.v al die beserings wat die span ry en waaraan hy niks kan doen nie. En, dis baie selde dat jy sommer 'n speler uit die Matie-span in die Stormers kan indruk. BTW, die Bulle was tot dusver redelik gelukkig met die min beserings maar daai geluk is ook besig om te draai. Ons sal sien.

      Brutus Mcgreggor - 2013-06-27 09:04

      Ag asseblief nico, die hele wereld weet AC se Dom game plan beseer sy spelers, praat van een dimensioneel

      Melt Esterhuizen - 2013-06-27 10:15

      Nico, Onthou jy vir Dok Craven? Hy het n speler uit die Maties se tweede span direk in die Springbokspan gekies!!! Onthou jy vir Dawie Snyman????

  • WP Hayden - 2013-06-27 07:07

    Do you guys even know anything about rugby? 1. AC won a world cup (be it as a assistent coach) more than any provincial SA couach can say, currie cup, 2 confrence cups, landed top spot on the Super 15 log 2 times and kicked the Brumbies arses! amazing how all you pilliks seem to have forgotten that! Go back to your daddy or uncles and ask them to teach you something about rugby!

      Melt Esterhuizen - 2013-06-27 10:13

      @Hayden, Yes and lost 7 games this year? Almost lost against the Kings as well? Scored the less tries. I can carry on....... Where is Pollard, JJ, Louw etc etc. Why Jantjies? If you give these players to JW .........?????

      WP Hayden - 2013-06-27 11:16

      Players leaving is not the issue at hand! besides, Pollard is overrated with inflated ego! Sadie, look what happened there! so good on WP for letting them go! Jantjies we all agree was a mistake, but let's not forget that all unions, Bulls, saharks etc. was interrested in buying him. JJ was a pitty, but so was Bryan a pitty for the Bulls when he lost him, that's rugby and that's the professional era! as for loosing some matches, you can't win them all!! it's impossible for every team to win every game every year, we are having a bad year, as every one has once in a while, but we will be back!

  • Arno Louw - 2013-06-27 07:22

    AC says '"It's the silly season and it does not NECESSARILY mean that players are coming to Cape Town."' Does that mean he agrees that it is silly to go and play your rugby in Ape Toon?

  • Lourens M Hendricks - 2013-06-27 07:33

    Coetzee I don't care bout mind games,u beta win the Bulls @ Newlands, and let's hope the sardines sowi sharks can beat the bulls @ loftus!!!Brumbies groete

  • Lourens M Hendricks - 2013-06-27 07:38

    This explains why the Springboks can only play "Kick and Chase" not smart enough 2 remember more complicated moves!at least they good @ kick and chase!hehehe

  • Edward Pretorius - 2013-06-27 07:38

    White is alom bekend vir sy omstrede uitlatings dink maar net terug aan die "fetcher" episode oor Brussouw! Ek wonder net wat se Barney en Victor oor die storie! As ons spelers so dom is,hoekom lok hy dan jong spelers soos Oosthuizen en Smit na Canberra. Maar ek gee toe hy is 'n kliniese beplanner,hy weet Deans is oppad uit en hy sal na alle waarskynlikheid die volgende Wallaby coach word so dit is eintlik bedoel om die besluitnemers in Wallaby rugby se ore te bereik! En nes Arthur sal dit ook nie lank neem vir die Aussies om ontslae te raak van hom nie,is hy nie dalk maar net ontstoke omdat Barney hom nie by die sharks wou he nie!

  • Piet Van Zyl - 2013-06-27 07:42

    Jake won a world cup with his SA retards. He still has to win something with his Australian hard working and better educated bunch. It's this kind of thing that forced him to go and find a job in another country despite being a good coach.

      Chrisin Oz - 2013-06-27 08:01

      So when are you signing for WP?

  • Israel Levi - 2013-06-27 07:50

    Jake is a knob with 5 day old stale knobcheese. Sour grapes cause the sharks turned him down

      Brutus Mcgreggor - 2013-06-27 09:05

      Tjank sniff boe hoe hoe

  • Arthur Salvado - 2013-06-27 08:27

    It's just a game fellas. LOL

  • Arthur Salvado - 2013-06-27 08:29

    LOL Israel, you funny and obviously a knobhead with or without your famous 5 day cheese :))))

      Brutus Mcgreggor - 2013-06-27 09:06

      Don't be to hard on the tossed, he is going to cry that you discriminate against him because he is a jew

  • Jp Botha - 2013-06-27 08:32

    In coaching, where the money is, the hart is, give Jake a SA team to coach and the words "stupid ausies" will come out of his pie hole.

  • Jp Botha - 2013-06-27 08:35

    In Coaching, the hart is where the money is. Give Jake a SA team to coach and the words "stupid Ausies" will most probably be coming out of his pie hole.

  • Coen Venter - 2013-06-27 08:46

    doc tyson het jy nie n sussie om te gaan spyker nie

      Chrisin Oz - 2013-06-27 12:13

      Jy bedoel seker 'n boetie.

      Honourable Doctyson - 2013-06-27 15:48

      Too cute, two of my little fox terriers.

  • Piet Van Zyl - 2013-06-27 09:43

    @ Chrisin OZ. :-) I'm old enough to be the real one's grandpa. I applied but they didn't want me. Shame.

      Chrisin Oz - 2013-06-27 12:13

      That's a pity. They should not disqualify you only because you couldn't run away from Jean.

      Honourable Doctyson - 2013-06-27 15:49

      You are dead if you can't run away from Jean.

  • Mark O'Donoghue - 2013-06-27 10:58

    History : Overall 76 games 33 won by Australia 42 won by SA and 1 draw : make your own mind up

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