Cheetahs sceptical about Cats

2012-05-08 22:19

Cape Town - Cheetahs CEO Harold Verster says it would be tough to go back to forming the Cats franchise for next year's Super Rugby tournament.

SARU has promised the Southern Kings direct entry into next year's event, which means either the Cheetahs or Lions (SA's weakest Super teams) would need to drop out.

SARU though are keen to convince SANZAR to expand the competition to 16 teams which will accommodate six South African teams.

However, SANZAR CEO Greg Peters recently shunned the idea.

"We were informed that the Kings will play in the tournament next year. But a structural change is highly unlikely," Peters was quoted as saying.

"It's too early to consider a change to a format that's currently successful.

"There's also not enough time to consider a change in the format for next year. It’s a big discussion to have when the new structure is only 18 months old," said Peters.

SANZAR's stance was always that the format will be marketed as one with three groups with an equal amount of teams in it. It should stay like that until 31 December 2015.

Recent talks in the media have suggested that the Cheetahs and Lions should merge to again form the Cats franchise (which they played under from 1998-2005).

But Verster is not overly impressed with the suggestion.

"We are very calm about our Super-franchise. We serve the whole central region (Griquas, Free State and Northern Free State/Griffons) and just need to keep on winning.

"We saw in the past that it is practically and logistically very tough (to form the Cats franchise," Verster told Volksblad.

Lions coach John Mitchell though said earlier this week that the Cats idea could work, providing they find a strong leader.

Representatives of SARU will meet with the five Super unions plus the Kings in Johannesburg on May 17 to further discuss the matter.


  • wynand.nel.5 - 2012-05-08 22:24

    I believe that if the Kings are they're next season , the Lions player should be in the Kings team for compensasion naturaly.

      Benn - 2012-05-09 05:38

      Solution? Simple! The five franchises should take SARU to court. There was no consultation before the decision was taken unilaterally,it was unreasonable and all 5 franchises have contractual obligations towards their players. SARU has caused this mess- let them resolve it. If they want to promote the Kings, let them apply for participation in the Northern hemisphere competition. It should actually work very well- with the lowest team in the S15, annually playing a "relegation/promotion/exchange" match against the 6th team which participates in the Northern hemisphere. It opens options for the future as well The "Cats" concept does NOT WORK.

      Squeegee - 2012-05-09 05:39

      Madness. Politics in sport again. Tell Watson and his cronies that the gravy train won't be coming to their station next year.

      Ren%c3%a9 - 2012-05-09 07:38

      @Sakkie, stick to the topic for once, OK??? Anyway, SARU just wants a cheap solution, the merging concept will not work - proven in the past. It is scary that a bunch of so called business men can make such a mess of this. All the 5 unions should just stand together and force SARU's hand. e.g. If they allow the Kings to participate in S15 at the expense of another union then sorry then we (other 5 unions) will withdraw - strike, do something. This is kindergarden rubbish. Next time SARU THINK before you DO, PLEASE!!!!!

      BlouMasjien - 2012-05-09 08:00

      The stormers should be ecstatic when the kings replace the lions !They won't be the laughing stock of world rugby any longer.

      LaBlue - 2012-05-09 09:02

      I agree with Isak!

      Stirrer - 2012-05-09 09:28

      @BlouMasjien (including its 50000 tappits): 12 lost out of 12 games, now THAT's what a laughing stock is.

      Stirrer - 2012-05-09 09:29

      @BlouMasjien (including its 50000 tappits): Getting beaten by the Kings, now THAT's what a laughing stock is.

      BlouMasjien - 2012-05-09 10:14

      @Stirrer , jy is reg, maar dit is geskiedenis. Die wp/stormpies is nog steeds " the laughing stock"/chokers van wereld rugby 1.10 jaar beker loos! (nie eens n vodacom cup nie) 2.wepe kon nog nooit n Superbeker wen nie 3.Laaste 22 jaar net 3 Curriebekers

      Stirrer - 2012-05-09 10:44

      @BlouMasjien (including its 50000 tappits): OK, as jy sê geskiedenis tel nie - die Bulls se 3 bekers is ook geskiedenis. Hoeveel bekers het julle in 2011 of 2012 gewen? In 2011 word die Bulls deur die Kings geklop. In 2011 haal die Bulls nie eens die playoffs nie. In 2012 speel die Bulls in shocking pink kit. In 2012 het die Bulls vir Pierre Spies as kaptein. Laughing stock of world rugby.

      BlouMasjien - 2012-05-09 11:03

      @Stirrer , Behalwe vir die "varsity cup"(wat TUKS gewen het) het niemand nog n beker gewen nie. Die Bulle is die laaste SA span wat n Super trofee kon wen As jy vir die Bulle lag omdat hulle 1 jaar(2011) geen bekers kon wen nie, hoe gaan jy lag vir die wp/stormpies wat al vir 10 jaar niks kon wen nie ?

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-05-09 11:13

      you take your stupid pills again this morning?

      JouMa - 2012-05-09 13:59

      ja blou ons se ook nie hard op dat ons 97-02 net 10 games kon wen en aan verkeerde kant rond geploeter het al verlede wat ons onthou is die bekers

      Nick - 2012-05-09 14:45

      This is absolute BOLLOCKS! Stuff that - the Cheetahs do NOT deserve to be demoted - simple. Lions will have go (sadly) - end of story. Sorry for the Lions, SARU has made you the political pawn to appease the Watsons and those other "icons of E.Cape rugby" (not!) - and their cronies in the ANC! Free State and Grey Bloem are the nursery of SA rugby - how on Earth can they be justifiably demoted?? Especially if they still end up coming 3rd - even 2nd - in the SA Conference this year. If any amalgamation is to take place - then why not the Bulls and Lions??? Come on SARU - explain that. They are neighbours - 50Km apart. Would make perfect sense re practicalities, distances from home etc. Why should the Cheetahs always have to face the Sword of Damocles?? Stuff that! Toyota SA have come on board - and expect a RoI - fair enough - and good for them - they are the first company in SA to do justice by the the FSRU - with a decent, fair, financial sponsorship. So - unless the Cheetahs come last (and they won't) - f##k any ideas to demote or amalgamate them! Harold - stand your ground mate - those spineless, salary-thieving, wimps at SARU cannot 'force' you into anything, should your team not come last. On the matter of the Kings - seeing as well that twerp, Cheeky Watson, and his cronies - and the ANC, ad nauseum - have banged on about the pool of black talent in the E.Cape that hasn't "had a chance" - WELL - then let's make the Kings starting XV comprise of 10 black players???

      BlouMasjien - 2012-05-09 15:01

      @jouma, Of jy 2de of 12de is , dit maak nie saak nie, daar kan net een wenner wees! In die 90's het die Bulle baie spelers verloor agv swak bestuur , Die stormers het die laaste 10jaar van die beste spelers gekoop maar die trofee kas in nog leeg. (die Bulle was nog nooit 10jaar sonder n beker nie !) Dit is die 2de keer dat die wp vir 10jaar (speel jare, in die begin is die Curriebeker nie elke jaar gespeel nie) nie n beker kon wen nie.

      BlouMasjien - 2012-05-09 15:14

      @Nick ek stem saam, ek hoop die "Lions" kan by die ander 4 provinsies kontrakte kry om diepte in al die provinsies te verseker. Die Cats gaan nie werk nie en die Kings verdien dit nie.

      Warren - 2012-05-09 17:38

      @ patrickjasoncawood: As the good old saying goes... "Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it!"

      Smell - 2012-05-10 03:43

      You mean the Lion Kings :)

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-05-10 07:31

      @ Warren, does Wynands statement make any sense?

      Warren - 2012-05-10 18:23

      @ patrickjasoncawood: Why???

  • Etienne - 2012-05-08 23:06

    the kings couldnt even make the vodacom cup semi finals!!!!!! On SUPERBRU if there was a Crusaders vs Kings game in NZ, then a pick of Crusaders by 100 points wouldnt be laughed at

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-05-09 11:26

      Is there a pic of you in the Oxford Dictionary next the word stupid? You should maybe do a little research before making yourself look stupid The EP KIngs Vodacom Cup side was mainly made up of u/23 players, giving them exposure. The players below will be playing in the Currie Cup which Alan Solomons has targeted to get back into the Currie Cup Premier Division Luke Wat­son, SP Marais, Siyanda Grey, George Whitehead, Louis Strydom, Falie Oelschig, Wayne van Heerden, Barend Pieterse, Jaco Engels, Kevin Buys, Wayne Swart, Mzwandile Stick, Jongi Nokwe, Monty Dumond en André Schlechter. Also the Southern KIngs will be made up of 3 unions not 1, will include a new coaching team, a few major sponsors and between 12-15 new signings

      Marcel - 2012-05-09 13:59

      @ patrick: you stupid "The players below will be playing in the Currie Cup which Alan Solomons has targeted to get back into the Currie Cup Premier Division" 1stly: If they want to play prem div they first have to win 1st div, and last year they couldn't. 2ndly: if they win 1st div they will have to play relegation games with the bottom which will probably be the pumas or so, and just last week they couldn't beat the pumas in the 1/4ters for the vodacom cup. so what do you think is the chances of the ep kings playing prem div. not good at all.

      Ruan - 2012-05-09 14:16

      @ Pat. excuse these people. they haven't had thier coffee yet ;)

      Nick - 2012-05-09 14:52

      @ Patrick - YOU the idiot!! Your incompetent, useless, Kings - couldn't even beat Boland in the Currie Cup 1st Division last year - in fact Boland smashed them by 50 points - twice! LOL! Again - your useless Kings - LOST to the Pumas in last year's promotion/relegation games too - again - 2nd year running! And now they expect to play in Super Rugby??? Hahahahahahahaha! Nothing but politics - AA politics! And the new signings??? Who are they?? From where?? Hopefully all black players and from Motherwell etc - I mean - HEY - isn't the E.Cape the "home of black rugby"...??? So - yeah - let the Kings put their money where their mouth (and political bluster) is - in the local black rugby talent... !! Then - take on the Crusaders in Christchurch, the Bulls at Loftus, the Chiefs in Hamilton etc etc... LOL!

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-05-10 07:47

      @ Marcel, that's the plan, to win the first division and to beat the team that finishes last in the Currie Premier Division. The team the Kings put out against the Pumas was their junior side, did you not read the comment I made above???? The team playing in the Currie Cup First division will be their full strength side @ Nick, If you knew anything about this team you seem to hate so much you would of seen that half our side was injured and the games had no meaning as there was no promotion/regulation. The KIngs junior side beat Boland a few weeks back and play them in their first Currie Cup game in a few weeks, lets see what the result is then. I can believe how clueless some of you are. Do you really think the Southern Kings playing next year will be the same side that is currently representing the EP Kings at Vodacom Cup level.... If I had to guess I would say about 4 or 5 will make the squad The Kings have not announced signings yet as most players are currently in please explain how they are meant to make the signings There EP Kings/Border team also has more representation of black players than any of the other SA provinces. Also 95% of all the black players currently playing in the Super 15 are from the EC, if they had a local team like they have now they would not of moved. The more I think about it the more I realise how clueless some of you are.....

  • kyle.beningfield - 2012-05-08 23:15

    Its sad. Someone, somewhere must have been paid. The kings don't even make the vodacom cup semi's. Let's not mention their currie cup performance. They going to be the laughing stock in next years Super 15. Or rather, Super 14.1. They not worth it. Cheeky watson must have some deep pockets or something. Pity that the lions have to suffer because of the greed of a few individuals. And SARU also needs to be held accountable for their part in this fiasco

      Wimpie.Haefele - 2012-05-09 10:19

      He has received an award from the pres for his contribution to SA lol

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-05-09 11:30

      Sorry you make no sense, Cheeky Watson has done wonders for rugby in the EC and will continue to do so.

      kyle.beningfield - 2012-05-09 12:00

      If he's so good, why are the kings so poor with regards to their local competition performances? Can you honestly say the kings are one of the top 5 teams in SA and deserve to play super rugby?

      Marcel - 2012-05-09 14:03

      @ patrick: of course he has, look at the results and their achievements over the last 3-4 years.oops their isn't any. lol

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-05-10 08:00

      @ Marcel, can you put some results on here over the last 3-4 years and prove me wrong??

  • Ken - 2012-05-08 23:35

    This situation is exactly like the e-toll and CSA story, something fishy going down! ...who got paid what and by whom? Somebody should investigate SARU!...There is a "Gerald Majola" of SA rugby hiding there somewhere!

      Johan - 2012-05-09 10:34

      They won't hide anything, its a promise made to Cheaky, thing is Cheaky must do his part. There are more rugby players in the eastern cape than in the whole of Australia but no structures. Next thing he will get lotto money to buy players!

  • DuToitCoetzee - 2012-05-09 00:21

    Lets see how many Sharks supporters are awake? Just send all the Sharks players home and we have a vacancy. LOL!

  • Johan - 2012-05-09 01:17

    Well now there will be a team I actually hate more than the Stormers. They should employ pdivvy so we can laugh at them on and off the field

  • ErikMagnetoMaier - 2012-05-09 02:14

    I think its a good idea to merge the Cheetahs and Lions again. Preferred the Cats. Don't see why Gauteng gets to have 2 teams anyway, while the Eastern Cape has none. But will continue supporting the Sharks :)

      Koos - 2012-05-09 05:16

      Is incompetance not a sport?

      Gerald - 2012-05-09 09:00

      Erik Cheetahs are from Free Stateand Lions and Bulls from Gauteng. If you want only one Gauteng team then Lions and Bulls would have to merge but unfortunately for you in rugby Lions and Bulls are different "provinces" Here is a possibility Southern Kings and Sharks merge Both are coastal teams

      Warren - 2012-05-09 17:34

      @ ErikMagnetoMaier: The answer to why the Eastern Cape has no Super 15 team is simple, the previous (EP) administration ran it's finances into the ground. @ makesuthink: What do you get when you combine the Southern Kings & the Sharks? Answer: Exactly the same Sharks team, lol.

  • Werner - 2012-05-09 05:25

    These people are just crazy! They leading a lam to the slaughterhouse. I mean, Southern kings will consist of SWD Eagles, EP and Borde bull dogs. All get hidings by the other franchises Vodocom cup teams. Kings to play.... They will be the points pasella bucket. I can see it 140-5, etc Chappie Watson is crazy and I am tired of political medling in sport

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-05-09 11:32

      only time will tell and I hope you come back and eat your words

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-05-10 08:01

  • Darryl - 2012-05-09 05:29

    It's either a merge somewhere or the teams will have to fight for their position through relegation. like in football.

      Stirrer - 2012-05-09 09:35

      It's easy: Merge them with the Bulls, keep the pink kit and call them the Queens.

  • Kevin - 2012-05-09 05:35

    The SA team comming last in S15 should have a play-off against the Kings - the winner would be in the next years S15.....simple and logical..!

      Louis - 2012-05-09 09:45

      @Kevin. I agree and as a Lions supporter I will support it.

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-05-09 11:34

      simple and logical...makes no sense to me at all how can a Super Rugby Franchise play against a no Super Rugby Franchise?? The Southern Kings first need to build/buy a team before they take part in Super Rugby Do you honestly think they will be using the current squad next season????

      Marcel - 2012-05-09 14:09

      @ patrick: they'll buy 5 or 6 lions player(the rest of the good lions players will move to the bigger provinces. and then you'll have your current squad plus 6 lions players.

  • Chriskoi1 - 2012-05-09 06:01

    Die SuperKings gaan n' GAT van SA Rugby maak hulle is deur al die huidige spanne gewen in die begin van die jaar hulle kom dan nie eers reg in die Vodacom reeks nie so is die mense van hulle F@#$%^$@!en koppe af.

      Stirrer - 2012-05-09 09:32

      Korreksie: Hulle het die Bulls verlede jaar geklop.

      Jahendel - 2012-05-09 16:28

      @Chriskoi Ons het al klaar 'n team wat gat maak van SA Rugby in dieS15...Lions

  • Chriskoi1 - 2012-05-09 06:03

    Laat hulle uitspeel op die laaste en sien wat gebeur dis al dan kan niemand kla as die een verloor en hulle dan uitval tot die volgende jaar dit werk so met die Currycup nog al die jare so word net waker asseblief.

  • Theuns Jacobs - 2012-05-09 06:06

    so why must players travel 300km plus to join the cheethas..why dont the lions join the bulls?? thats just 60km away ! but then again, the lions dont deserve a place!

      Marcel - 2012-05-09 14:10

      they deserve their place more than the kings do

      johan.fortuin1 - 2012-05-09 14:11

      Theuns,the Bulls are in no need for 15 Lions.The Lions on the other hand need another 15+players to finish at least in the middle.Do you really think the Mighty Bulls will join forces with any other team?

  • warren.d.manning - 2012-05-09 07:31

    Nothing wrong in the Kings joining the S15 set-up, why dont they deserve a chance to play with the big boys? So many big names that have set the world alight come from the eastern cape region and S15 exposure will do wonders for the game there! Whether they perform on this stage or not, at least give em a chance. However expanding the S15 to the S16 is an idiotic idea at best, this will compromise the strength of the competition and put an unnecessary toll on the players all this just to accommodate one more team who would be bet against every time they take too the field. No one I know would like too watch a game where you already know the result before you walk through the turnstiles. As is happing with the Lions at the moment... In this country we are blessed with a talent pool far greater than any country on the planet, in fact its an ocean! Good structures are in place from schoolboy to the Boks, and its these structure that determine the strength/health of a given nations rugby. In SA our structures are second to none, by all means lets support growth in the game where these structures need developing whether political or not. The EC area needs the S15 tier added not only for the sake of the game there but also for the broader health of South African Rugby, and if its so decided that last place teams play for a promotion/relegation S15 spot, well then thats like adding an extra tier to the structure!

      Ren%c3%a9 - 2012-05-09 07:51

      There is nothing wrong with the Kings joining the S15 set-up, but for now you guys ARE NOT ready. You get slaughtered by the Lions who will ten to one be the team to be relegated. You don't jump from 'office administrator' to 'managing partner or CEO' in one year unless you 'vote for the party carrying the colours of green, black & yellow'

      louis.venter.96 - 2012-05-09 07:57

      So you think it's right to drop the Lions? You can't even win the Vodacom cup and you have a big mouth about the Lions not performing? Ha ha what a joke....

      kyle.beningfield - 2012-05-09 09:35

      \No one I know would like too watch a game where you already know the result before you walk through the turnstiles. As is happening with the Lions at the moment...\ You talk of the lions, how much better will the kings be? Open your eyes. The Super 15 showcases the talent of the top rugby unions in the world, SA, Aus and NZ. The kings will not be taken seriously. They simply don't have the pedigree

      Carlos - 2012-05-09 09:36

      Why do they deserve a chance and not more successful Unions like Boland????

      warren.d.manning - 2012-05-09 11:41

      Kyle.. the Kings are going to be terrible but how many chances do the Lions need to get it right? what harm can be done in at least giving the Kings franchise an opportunity? Who knows, if it is at the expense of the Lions what better opportunity than 2013 too get the lions house in order cause something is clearly wrong there.. surely the franchise kitchen has enough wooden spoons? The Kings can't afford to buy any...

      kyle.beningfield - 2012-05-09 11:56

      What do you think is going to happen to the Lions? Their players are used to playing at the highest level. Yes the Lions have had a few poor seasons. Let's not forget, they've been hit with injuries in crucial positions. If the Kings can't compete in the currie cup, realistically what are their chances in Super rugby? At least the lions won the currie cup, beating a springbok laiden sharks team in the final. Same can't be said for your beloved kings. They should change their name to 'princes', they have a lot of growing up to do

      Jahendel - 2012-05-09 16:31

      @Kyle "what will happen to the Lions next year"...they'll be playing Vodacom Cup

      kyle.beningfield - 2012-05-10 01:21

      At least the lions will win the vodacom cup. Something the kings can't do

      Hugh - 2012-05-10 15:53

      John Mitchele is seriously looking at the Lions competing in the Heinakin Cup. Now that would be cool.

  • BlouMasjien - 2012-05-09 07:37

    Dit is jammer dat politiek rugby op foeter! Ek hoop dat Lions spelers by die ander 4 unies kontrakte kan kry vir die super 15, veral die Cheetahs wat sukkel met diepte.

  • louis.venter.96 - 2012-05-09 07:53

    The Kings can't even win the Vodacom cup how the hell can they play in the Super 15. If they can prove they can beat the S.A. team at the bottom of the Super15 log, then I think they might be given a chance and that is still a huge MIGHT. If the Lions is at the bottom, what happens to all their contracted players, who pays their salaries? You need to be part of the competition to pay salaries. To say they should have thought about it before the time or should have played better, is brain dead. It doesn't matter how good you play one team will always be at the bottom. What if it was the Bulls or Stormers? What happens when a team is still in the process of building itself up, it does take a few years. There are too many questions but dropping any current team from the Super 15 for a new team is not the way to go. Definitely not right, whether you like it or not!

      Jahendel - 2012-05-09 16:32

      Sal hul eie skuld wees.Wie vaar sleg?

  • Christo - 2012-05-09 07:56

    If they really want to involve the "Kings/Spears", they should be amalgamted with an existing team to build them, sorry Sharks/Cheethas/Stormers(for logistical reasons). Then after 2 or 3 years make it a relegation situation that the bottom Log team fall out on an annual basis OR the bottom Log team group with the nearest team on an annual basis. I await the thumbs down but what the hell lets discuss a solution.

      louis.langenhoven - 2012-05-09 09:17

      the tragedy is no-one will want any Kings player

      Stirrer - 2012-05-09 09:33

      Fortunately they are much closer to Durban than Cape Town :D

      Alan - 2012-05-09 10:46

      Actually @Stirrer Cape Town is 748km from PE and Durban is 910km. Makes sense for Kings to merge with Stormers. Maybe, just maybe the Stormers will eventually win a trophy???????????

      Stirrer - 2012-05-09 11:47

      @Alan - Sorry, my mistake, you are correct. In any case, regarding demograpics, culture, and quality of rugby they are much closer to Durban than Cape Town.

      Marcel - 2012-05-09 14:18

      @stirrer: now your are talking crap: how can the kings be closer regarding demogrphics culture and quality of rugby, do you honstly think the kings can win something cause the sharks do, in that regard they are still closer to the stormers cause both of them hasn't won anything in the last decade.

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-05-10 08:06

      no one will want a Kings player....the below players are from the Southern Kings area.... think before you comment Zane Kirchner,Lwazi Mvovu, JJ Engelbrecht, Bjorn Basson,Elton Jantjies, Rory Kockott, Ryan Kankowski, Siya Kolisi, Jacques Potgieter, Keegan Daniel, Dewalt Potgieter, Luke Watson, Ryno Gerber, Bandisa Maku, Micheal Killian , Odwa & Akona Ndungane, Jongi Nokwe, Kabamba Floors , Deon Stegmann, Lionel Mapoe, JP Joubert, Tim Whitehead

  • Andre - 2012-05-09 07:57

    I agree with the idea of talking Saru to court.Also,the Kings were totally destroyed by the Sharks' Vodacup team-how on earth will they be able to play in the Super 15?-the Kings are a waste of time and money and in my opinion should dissolve as a union.

  • Andrew - 2012-05-09 07:57

    Typical when politics enter sport a complete mess like everything else in this country the politicians touch. I hope the Kings end up being such an embarassment to SARU they do not know where to hide as I am sure will happen. Also the other five unions should sue SARU for their political and unilateral decision. Sick dogs. The sooner the Watson's leave the scene the better. Bad news.

      johan.fortuin1 - 2012-05-09 14:20

      10 out of 10.No one is greater then the game

  • Deon - 2012-05-09 08:43

    'the kings cannot even win the vodacom cup' ......- they cant and dont even CHALLENG for the vodacom cup Surely if they 'were' to get a spot in s15, then surely they should be well into their preparation plan for the big stage, and in doing so be wiping the vodacom cup clean to at least make suitable entry into the big stage...but they are still battling at vodacom level. how many more months before 2013 s15 starts......not too long as far as they are concerned and they are NOT nearly ready for the big stage, so rather leave them behind is my comment !!!!!!!!!!!!!

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-05-10 08:09

      The EP Kings Vodacom Cup side was their u/23 side....Their senior side will be playing in the Currie Cup First division

      Hugh - 2012-05-10 16:05

      @Patric, please tell me how in the hell will they qualify for 1st Div? Solomons and Cheeky Watshisname tell the sports minister to put them in? They currently cant play themselves out of a wet paper bag FFS. Are you delusional?

  • Juan - 2012-05-09 08:48

    As a Lions supporter not looking for excuses but the injury ghost hit the Lions very hard not helping us at all, but the kings do not deserve a place in the S15!!!! SARU is running our sport like amateurs...

      Hugh - 2012-05-10 16:12

      I'd challenge them to relegation playoff. Lions (if they are the targeted relegation team) vs Kings. Winner plays SR next year. That would sort out this crap.

  • Nico - 2012-05-09 09:04

    in 2006 the queens (then spears) were also promised a spot in super rugby, SARU got out of it, they will get out of it again. they have a meeting later this month to resolve this issue, it was reported on rugby365, but news24 didn't report anything on it. queens won't play next year, SARU will get out of it. or the queens will be the only sa team in a then super11, because the big5 promised strike action, could be fun!!

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-05-10 08:09

      you want to put money on that??

  • Zion - 2012-05-09 09:09

    Take a look at the following: under present conditions ie15 teams each team play 14 games equals 15x14/2 = 105 games. If 16 teams played then it would be 16x15/2 = 120 games. Think of the extra costs that must be borne by all the teams to play the extra game and oversees flights etc. financially this new 16 game scenario would be a disaster. the question then is: Why must the oversees teams pay the extra costs just to satisfy South African whims?

      Marcel - 2012-05-09 14:25

      And the extra 15 games won't get any good broadcasting numbers so their won't even be revenue on more than 10% of the games. The anzac teams will have to spend a week extra in SA (costly) and play in a empty stadium( which it will be after the first 3 games where the kings lose 65 nil or something like that.) again no revenue.

      Zion - 2012-05-09 15:25

      Marcel, Bravo. You hit the nail on the head. should have thought that out myself. what can happen is the foreign teams may refuse to play the mighty Kings for that very reason.

      Hugh - 2012-05-10 16:20

      Murdoc's contract is to host the 5 strongest teams. To me, there's the first breach, secondly, this (Super Rugby) isn't a SARU franchise. I cant see the other partners (NZ & Aus) accepting a 3rd rate side to perform SR duties.

  • Maxine - 2012-05-09 10:01

    Seriously! This is an absolute sham, if the Cheetahs are forced to merge! The lions are awful and to allow them to survive and effectively kill the cheetahs is not right. Two teams in the smallest province in the Country is a laugh! Have the lions guys travel 30min to loftus to support a good side. I am a shark and If this was done to us I would be distraught

  • tim.kilpin - 2012-05-09 10:11

    Crazy to incorporate the Kings they really are a weak lin k in SA rugby. Even crazier for the Cheetahs / Lions to merge as it was a failure the last time around same as the Coastal Sharks

  • warren.d.manning - 2012-05-09 10:18

    Wouldn't it make the SA conference that much stronger? and giving us an upper hand compared to the other 2 conference structures by introducing a relegation/promotion system? No team, I think, should be guaranteed a spot in the comp just because of a rich history. Point is whats the difference watching Lions getting a flogging every weekend or the Kings? at least a different horse has the chance to compete! If I were on the boards of the NZ/AUS conferences I would be all for 6Th. SA team just to ensure that the SA conference is diluted somewhat.. A relegation/promotion system for a S15 spot will put our conference head and shoulders above NZ/Aus conferences, strength lies in numbers, SA has the numbers we need to start playing to our strengths, on and off the field!

      kyle.beningfield - 2012-05-09 12:07

      The conference system is flawed. The top team from each conference are guaranteed play off spots while the teams ranked 4th to 6th overall are given a wild card. Look at the bulls and stormers. Have the most overall points yet are separated by 2 positions??? Is that fair?

      Jahendel - 2012-05-09 16:38

      Lions this S15...gaurenteed 5 points for opponents Kings next year...only time will tell

  • Johan - 2012-05-09 10:27

    Politcs is trying to force their way in rugby now. Eastern cape is the flagship of black rugby so they get shoved in without structures in place and like BEE they are not qualified to do the job. First let them earn a place. Wonder what excuses will be given if they end stone last to keep them there

      Tertius - 2012-05-09 10:50

      It is not like the Lions have ended anywhere but stone last most of the time since 2006, now is it? Drawing a comparison like that is not really an argument.

      Johan - 2012-05-09 11:02

      The lions won the curry cup and has a lot of injuries, they earned to be there, even if they end last. On the other hand EP lost to there vodacom team. Now who would you say deserve to be there? At least put them in a play-off. Its all about deserving and not a right(but this is SA though). So your mind is saying swop them if they do badly for another who will have no players in the curry cup next year?

  • Charlie - 2012-05-09 10:45

    The Cats did not work before, why should anything have changed. My suggestion is to relegate the bottom franchise from S15 no matter what country. The equality model is unsound. Australia will always struggle to fill their squads from local talent.

  • Tertius - 2012-05-09 10:47

    In soccer you can buy a whole franchise, and then rename and move it somewhere else. Why don't EP just buy the Lions franchise???!!! It must be going pretty cheap seeing that it is technically bankrupt. And nobody gets promoted, or relegated...

  • patrickjasoncawood - 2012-05-09 11:19

    I think the EP Kings will win the Currie Cup first division this year and then earn their spot in next years Currie Cup. The Currie Cup team will looked completely different to the team that played in the Vodacom Cup 1/4 final last w-end against the P{umas The new coaching team will also in place and I hear a few possible new signings The Southern Kings will be playing Super Rugby next year

      Nico - 2012-05-09 12:36

      weren't they suppose to win the first division last year? couldn't make it, so at this stage Boland has got a better claim to super rugby, since they already won the first division. queens won't won the first division, they won't play super rugby next year, as for new signings, prob butch james when the lions don't renew his contract. saru promised the queens in 2006 (they were the limp spears then) that they would play super rugby in 2007, saru will just break another promise.

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-05-10 08:11

      @ Nico, if they won it they would still not of been promoted...

  • Duncan - 2012-05-09 14:34

    Myself, my mates and im sure rugby lovers all over South Africa, New Zealand and Australia are not going to waste our time watching the franchises have practice runs against the Kings. The teams that play against them will effectively be having a bye weekend. The Lions have had a poor season as have the Blues of New Zealand, but you hear no talk of relegation there. Id rather see the Lions loose while trying hard then watch the Kings having T20 scores put up against them in 80min. Mr Watson and is tjoms at SARU are in Dream world. I am not a Lions fan but a Rugby fan and the Kings just wont be viable!

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-05-10 08:15

      only time will tell

  • Carl - 2012-05-09 22:03

    With the way the Lions are continually the whipping boys for foreign teams, maybe they need the wake up call and the time to rebuild!

  • ross.hampton.cole - 2012-05-10 07:52

    The Cheetahs are the backbone of South African Rugby, where do you think most of the great players originate from. As for the Lions, if they do get relegated, it is their own doing. Although John Mitchell has done a fantastic job in improving the Lions, it's not good enough. I seriously thought that relegation threats would have helped motivate the Lions to play well.

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-05-10 08:13

      Most of the players come from Grey College Grey College recruits players from all over South Africa

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