Cheeky passes Super 15 buck

2012-02-21 22:20

Cape Town - Eastern Province Kings president Cheeky Watson says it's not their problem about how the South African Rugby Union (SARU) plans to accommodate South Africa's five other Super Rugby teams from next year.

SARU earlier this year announced that the Kings will automatically qualify for next year's Super Rugby tournament.

SARU was reportedly keen about trying to convince SANZAR (the Southern Hemisphere’s governing body) to extend the tournament to 16 teams to enable South Africa to field six teams.

However, SANZAR chief executive Greg Peters reiterated on Tuesday that the Super Rugby competition could not be expanded to accommodate a sixth South African team until 2015.

“What we have said is that we will always talk to our partners as we should have dialogue with the joint venture partners,” Peters told SAPA.

“But we have sold our format of Super Rugby for five years, expiring in 2015, which has a conference format to it.

“If you don’t have that, you don’t have the format we sold the broadcasters and commercial partners until 2015.”

According to Die Burger, Watson responded to this news by saying: "What can I say about this that I haven't said before?

"All that I know is that SA Rugby has already decided that we (the Kings) will play in the Super Rugby series next year.

"We are very grateful for that. We fought long for it. It's not in our hands who the other teams are that will participate in the Super Rugby series.

"It's SA Rugby and the other South African franchises' problem," said Watson.

It was also earlier reported that SARU would have the backing of South Africa’s broadcaster rights holder, SuperSport, in its negotiations for expansion which would give it some bargaining power.

Peters, however, told SAPA it was not as simple as that as there were a number of factors that would determine whether South Africa could be successful in their lobbying down the line.

“That is one of the major factors, obviously, the amount of money that the broadcasters across the three territories fund the game.

"They are key stakeholders and this is something the Kings have asked before.

“It is not just SuperSport, it is Fox Sport in Australia and Sky TV in New Zealand, and commercial partners Vodacom, FxPro and Investec who are naming rights sponsors of the competition.

“Plus the franchises, who now have built a commercial model on having eight home games every year, so obviously that needs to be factored in as well.”

Peters said the issue would again be addressed at a SANZAR meeting in Sydney in March.


  • Nico - 2012-02-21 22:33

    saru said right from the beginning Kings will play pending SANZAR approval, sorry Cheeky, no super15 for the kings.

      Emile - 2012-02-21 23:11

      I hope you are right. SANZAR simply can't afford a third league team in their Super Competition.

      Matt - 2012-02-22 09:13

      and exactly where did you read that Nico?

      Matt - 2012-02-22 10:01

      dont understand this unlike and like... why unlike my question instead of answering it? LOL

      joneethling - 2012-02-22 10:32

      Another dishonest headline.

      Nico - 2012-02-22 11:08

      @Matt, hi there, in the very first article where saru said that the kings will play next year, they said they must get the sanzar partner's approval. sanzar won't let us have a 6th team, they said so from the very start. and the guys with the tv rights, who are also sanzar partners, won't let any of the teams fall out or amalgamate, they will loose too much money.

      Matt - 2012-02-22 12:02

      @nico, thanks. disagree with you on a few points, but appreciate the response. @joneethling, i agree. really don't think this "buc" was ever EP's. SARU must sort that out. Many people tend to forget that the EC region, and EP in particular got screwed right from the start with Super Rugby. Go back to the Coastal Sharks debacle and Gary Teichman wanting all the games in Durban. Look at what transpired in the mid 2000's with SARU excluding the region from Super Rugby. THAT was unfair. Why are 3 of SA's 14 unions completely excluded from Super Rugby???? All that the Kings are asking is wat was promised to them all along. Cheeky has done alot for rugby in the EC, but this issue was brought up before his time already. and NO, you cant expect the Kings to "qualify". they cant attract sponsors, sign up players, keep players, develop players, build a supporters base, etc if they don't have Super Rugby. so really now...

      Nico - 2012-02-22 12:09

      hi Matt, in my opinion EC won't get a super franchise, not because they don't deserve one, but purely based on finances. and that is controlled by the tv ppl. they could call of a 6-nations match 2 weeks ago because of tv. there is not enough ppl in the EC watching pay-tv compared to other provinces, so even if they do expand super rugby (which they will do), those new franchises will go to japan, maybe one to pacific islands.

      Marius - 2012-02-22 17:24

      Only one problem with your argument about the tv people that won't allow any of the current teams to fall out and that is that all SA Super Rugby franchise licences expire at the end of 2012 anyway , so effectively they have all fallen out and SARU can award those licences to whoever they want to for the next 5 year period. One can only speculate where the Lions or Cheetahs will be within 5 years, without the massive cash injection from SARU and the tv people that they have enjoyed for the last 10 years, if they still could not make any headway in Super Rugby while they had it.

      rheinhardt.peens - 2012-02-23 11:21

      First you need to show that you belong in this league.... For fak sakes...

  • Jason - 2012-02-21 22:38

    Cheeky...more like idiot, how can a team that was beaten 80 odd points to the wooden spoon team be able to compete?

      Patrick Cawood - 2012-02-22 00:09

      Who was beaten 80 points by who?? U are making no sense??

      jurie.grobler - 2012-02-22 07:40

      Patrick, last week Tuesday the Lions beat the Kings 88-0 in a warmup game!

      Romano - 2012-02-22 08:08

      @Patrick they played as the kings and lost as the Kings 88-0 Against the lions. if the Boks play and they lose do you also blame the sharks, Stormers, Lions, Bulls no becauce they are the Boks so if the Boland played as the Kings the Kings lost not the boland

      Jacques - 2012-02-22 08:30

      Patrick and Jurie, that was not the proper Southern Kings teams you asses!!!!

      Champ - 2012-02-22 09:20

      @ Jacques: I agree!! It was not a proper Kings Team, because no matter who plays it won't be a team worthy of playing Super Rugby on merit. Face it: the KINGS were to face the current 5 Super franchises and even if they did not play their strongest team, it was still the KINGS. Or did the Kings not loose to the Bulls but to the Blue Bulls U/21 C team??

      Ian - 2012-02-22 09:53

      jason, you and many others simply cannot read and are thus not qualified to make any comments...the lions beat a kings team made up of border and properly before you make unqualified, stupid comments

      carl.b.schmidt1 - 2012-02-22 15:42

      @patrick. the lions smashed the "kings" by 80 points this month. Cheeky watson thinks he is still fighting the good fight. AUS and NZ dont care about our troubled past, they care about having the best tournament on the planet, and for our beloved rugby crown (southern hemisphere) to stay with us, we cant allow a useless team like the kings to play, why not let them play curry cup, and that way they can build a quality team. not just a team of superrugby rejects and cheeky's boy.

      Johan - 2012-02-22 18:21

      @ Ian - But why was it not the proper "Kings" team? Because the "big boss" in EC could not see eye to eye with the other 2 provinces (Border and SWD)... Mr Watson is making friends where ever he goes, maybe this is where Watson Jnr learned his trade? And I believe the Sharks also beat the Kings comprehensively recently? That is now the proper Kings side I mean..... One thing I must say is that at least have a very nice venue in PE.

  • charl.norman - 2012-02-21 22:41

    Kings will be hammered each game, easy 5 points. They can't even qualify for the Currie Cup but lets get them into Super Rugby..?? LOL!

      Romano - 2012-02-22 08:10

      Lions won the currie cup and are on a rise with john mitchel. who do you support patrick?

  • Martin - 2012-02-21 22:45

    @ Jason Ek wonder maar net wat as die Boland besluit dat hulle will super rugby speel, wat gaan SARFU dan doen. Die Kings maak dit nou moontlik vir enige span om aansoek te doen om super rugby te speel. Wat as dit gebeer en Nog een van die TOP UNIES moet weg-val. Op die manier kan enige span sonder om dit te verdien nou super rugby speel.......

      hannesenbrianda - 2012-02-23 05:24

      Dik nie dit sal gebeer nie...

  • Bullsrfairies - 2012-02-21 23:02

    Thats a terible pic of Cheeky. He looks like a smutty stripclub owner.

      Bullsrfairies - 2012-02-22 05:10

      @Cheeky looks pretty fit in this picture

      Matt - 2012-02-22 09:20

      @JJ, dis seker hoekom jy agter moes sit in die klas ne.

  • Manhattan - 2012-02-21 23:13

    This guy thinks like our good old friend Bob next door. It's all about what's good for him and the legacy he will leave. Who cares about the destruction to the local infrastructures. Fact is, if the kings wanted to play in Super rugby at such an early stage in their development, they would be effectively destroying another union, hence forcing those players from such unions to join them. Can you see Juan & Brussouw playing for the Kings.

  • Reenen - 2012-02-21 23:35

    Die kings het 88-0 teen die lions verloor! wat gaan 'n span soos die crusaders of reds nie teen hulle doen nie?

      Patrick Cawood - 2012-02-22 00:06

      That was not the Kings u idiot

      Bruce Chetty - 2012-02-22 00:45

      (1) The team that played the lions was made up of SWD and Border players not EP players.(2)yes the kings did under perform against the other teams, however there is no need to risk injury in warm up games by playing front line players. Last season was a lesson hard learnt with all the injuries hence the poor performance in the 1st div. Remember there are only 6 currie cup teams this year with promotion-relegation. Does this mean if one of the top 5 teams gets relegated to 1st div that they will not be worthy of super rugby? Watson and Pamba is redefining SA rugby for the good.

      clivegoss - 2012-02-22 02:16

      Net beserings baie beserings

      Kevin - 2012-02-22 05:39

      Kings would have lost over 100 - 0 . Not just 88-0. Are you a Kings supporter?

      Dewaldt Deysel - 2012-02-22 06:06

      Ok Bruce.Its obvious that you have an under developed brain. Go and read Jakes book. Luke and his father are a cancer in a country trying to rid the past.

      John - 2012-02-22 07:32

      @Bruce: The warm up games were the only games the Kings played. So, WTF injuries? Also, the six teams that will always play in the CC are the Bulls, Lions, Cheetahs, Griquas, Western Province and Sharks. They have ended 1 - 6 on the CC log since I can remember, with whatever two teams was included as the milk cow on 7 and 8. To be frank, if any of those six teams do end up playing first division, they will definitely not be worthy of Super Rugby.

      Marcel - 2012-02-22 08:16

      @Patrick you idiot: kingslost 40 something to a CC first division team, imagine what the score will be in the premiership when everybody is on form and not a warm up game. then it will definately be 80 something, and then imagine what the crusaders/blues/reds/tah's/sharks/bulls/stormers will do to them in the Super 15. imagine that. If you take the rebels for instance, they lose about every game, yet they still have first class Aus and Eng international players in their team, who have you got in your team, useless luke??????????

      Champ - 2012-02-22 09:57

      @ Patrick Cawood: and it was not the Bulls that beat the Kings, but the Blue Bulls U/21 C you idiot!!

      Vincent - 2012-02-22 14:01

      @ Patrick Cawood - I wonder who is the idiot. If a union or country fields a team under their banner, you ARE playing whoever the banner represents. Therefore the Lions did play, and beat the Kings 88 - 0, period. If SARU decides to field a Springbok F team against New Zealand, and New Zealand won 150 - 0, it would be written in the history books that the SPRINGBOKS lost against New Zealand. Funny how the EP surporters keep on reminding everyone that it was not the Kings playing, but if a Bulls B / C teams just just win, the Kings almost beat the Bulls. So man up and take it on the chin.

      Champ - 2012-02-22 14:51

      Well said Vincent!

      carl.b.schmidt1 - 2012-02-22 15:53

      patrick, jy is severely outnumbered, face the facts, die kings is nie goed genoeg nie, en hulle gan een van ons franchises sink, en dan met hulle "top klas spell" suid afrikaanse rugby se naam deur die modder sleep, net soos cheeky en sy laaitie. die crusaders of die reds of die blues sal hulle met n honderd vyf-en-sewentig duisend punte teenoor n vet ronde nul verwoes

      carl.b.schmidt1 - 2012-02-22 15:53

      like this if you dislike patrick!!!!

  • Patrick Cawood - 2012-02-22 00:05

    What a bunch of racist,stupid,arrogant idiots who comment on here Must be Lions Supporters You should be pointing fingers at SARU EC needs rugby and will produce a great team Maybe not in year 1 but in year 3 onwards will be making us EC proud Go back to your brandy and think before u post as most of your comments bear no facts and are rather backward

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-02-22 00:59

      Patrick. As a rugby supporter I only like to look at facts. No success in local series. No deepness that are on par with the level they intend to play. Using the players from the union that may fall out does not count as deepness. The idea was to give them a chance, seeing that they have a big mostly black and white pool to develop. None seen yet. If and when they proof all wrong they will be welcomed with open arms, but not this way. No, I am not a consumer of alcohol. Neither am I a Lion supporter.

      Ignatius - 2012-02-22 07:03

      @Patrick. I can appreciate that you are blinded by your passion for the EC. I do agree that more needs to be done in EC rugby. However, Betting all your money on red in one spin is not the way to earn a living. I would rather spend more money in the EC over a period of 5 years, your have a rugby academy now. Develop into a competative franchise. Play in the Curry cup and beat at least one of the top 5 franchises, at least once. It's fine to say "to hell with all the other, I am getting what I want", but do not expect them to love you for it, do not expect them to respect you either. You make your bed in the EC and you sleep in it. If the rest of the country hates you, don't ask why.

      Nick - 2012-02-22 07:10

      Patrick: "Maybe not in year 1 but in year 3 onwards will be making us EC proud" Maybe then, you should try and qualify for Super rugby in 3 years time instead of demanding a spot that, by your own admission, will not make you proud and that you do not deserve.

      gavin.simpson.0 - 2012-02-22 08:13

      Still trying the race card? So who's the racist then? Go play tiddlywinks. As DuToitCoetsee said... FACTS do count. EP/EC/Kings do not qualify for Super Rugby.

      coolshoesouthafrica - 2012-02-22 14:12

      All EC Rugby supporters wish something was put in place years ago If so we would not be having these little debates. If they had EP Rugby would be in the top 6 and ready for Super Rugby in 2013. SARU have f'd up and the EC cannot wait another 5 years for the promises that were made This may not be the best way to deal with the issue but it will kick start growth and bring money into the system which will effectively improve the rugby

      Dave - 2012-02-22 15:58

      race card NICE! the epic South African arguement strikes again

      Johan - 2012-02-22 18:38

      @ Patrick - I come from the EC. The EC must first show the willingnes to play it's part. It has now been years that politics (And I am reffering to internal politics) has haltered EC rugby and most sport for that matter. EC (Old Transkei in particular) is a gold mine for young players. Further your argument that the Kings should play S15, should our friends from Kimberley not be given the first chance? They have been playing well in the CC for years now and can also play the race card. EC must stop playing the pity roll and wake up. Not the Lions fualt EC cannot get it's act together, we cannot even get all three provinces to play together against the Lions.

      xabanisas - 2012-02-23 14:15

      I feel for you, Patrick, you're simply pissing against the wind here, mate.

  • Jess - 2012-02-22 04:27

    To my knowledge and correct me if I am wrong here, The Kings were created to develop the enormous black talent that we have in the EC? If this is the case why does the makeup of the team resemble pretty much every other franchise? Not only is the team predominantly white, but they are importing players from other provinces. To me this negates the whole purpose of setting this team up in the first place. I can appreciate that there is a teething process but really...if you say you stand for one thing then see it through....don't change just to make things easier.

      John - 2012-02-22 07:34

      Exactly. If the reason the Kings are to be included falls away or is not realized or whatever, then why include them?

      Jason - 2012-02-22 07:36

      The problem is Jess, and im not a Kings supporter, that the sponsors have expectations. Rugby is a business, and the business needs to be successful.

      Bomb - 2012-02-22 07:38

      Agree with you 100%

      Rye - 2012-02-22 07:51

      To be fair to the kings, every time a black player shows a bit of talent, one of the big unions buy him to use as window dressing. They do develop some talent, but without the financial benefit of super rugby it is very difficult to keep them.

      coolshoesouthafrica - 2012-02-22 10:32

      Jess if you have a look at the Kings Squad you will see a large number of local black talent. But as Rye said all the most talented players have move on to the larger unions as EP Rugby have had no money to keep them. With more money the EC will be able to produce and keep all local players. Black and white

      Marius - 2012-02-22 17:39

      @ JasonEye. Exactly rugby is a business and that is why the Lions should be dropped. The sponsors have had expectations of them for the last 10 years and they have not delivered once. Give that massive amounts of sponsorship money to the Kings and judge them in 3 years time to see if they have delivered any better. It is worth the risk as the sponsors had been wasting their money for the last 10 years on the Lions anyway. Who knows, the gamble might just pay off, so it is worth taking that chance.

      Hugh - 2012-02-23 11:58

      Jess, Wathisname has been pushing the racism card longer then I can remember. His selection of a whites mostly team, proves he's a snake and uses his political clout to get his way. He has had almost 10 yrs to build his dream team, and has done nothing. (I dont buy the excuse that other teams keep buying his players)Your point is screamingly valid and proves that he is a chop.

  • jandreleroux - 2012-02-22 05:23

    IT would be great for South Africa to have five (or six) teams in the Super Rugby competition. But teams that are worthy. IT would be better for us to have 3 or 4 REAL teams than a dozens on milk-cows. No matter how much we like the running Rugby of the Cheetahs or the spirit of adventure of the Lions. But now their is a new team that the Ozzies and Blackies will be milKING! Cheecky wants to build the Kings at the cost of SA. That seems a leading philosophy these days.

  • Kevin - 2012-02-22 05:30

    Cheeky must win a game before he calls his team a Rugby team. There is only one way to get rid of this 2nd rate squad and that is to boycott there games and ensure they do not get funding. How can SARU destroy South African Rugby like this, DO NOT SUPPORT ANY OF THERE GAMES. Like Father like Son . They think they are entitled to this.Have they cotched on the jersey yet?

  • Roy - 2012-02-22 05:44

    Cheeky & Son are trying to get onto the SARU board to try and stamp the ANC quota system onto rugby that is why he has this attitude. The Kings should not be in the system at all because they are a useless team.

  • Carel de Lange - 2012-02-22 05:46

    What a butt wipe!!! His political connections are making a way for him where there seems to be no way. He hasn't earned it the arrogant idiot. Let them get in and let the rest of the super rugby freternity hammer them 80-0 every time. That will show the BEE team.

  • Warren Carne - 2012-02-22 05:54

    Cheeky bugger off,go help SAFA you clown.

  • Jannie Pieters - 2012-02-22 06:08

    Good news now the bulls will make way for them next year

  • Claude - 2012-02-22 06:27

    Play-off is the fairest way to decide which teams should compete in Super Rugby next year - the bottom of the SA conference to play-off with the Kings.

      gavin.simpson.0 - 2012-02-22 08:15

      Assuming the Kings can win their league of course.....

      Carelle Van der Merwe - 2012-02-22 11:40

      Yeah let the team that finish highest in curry cup that is not in the super series play-off agains our lowest team! Let us fans unite:

      Carelle Van der Merwe - 2012-02-22 11:41

      Yeah let the team that finish highest in curry cup that is not in the super series play-off agains our lowest team! Let us fans unite:

      Carelle Van der Merwe - 2012-02-22 11:41

      Yeah let the team that finish highest in curry cup that is not in the super series play-off agains our lowest team! Let us fans unite:

  • Wikus - 2012-02-22 06:59

    Cheeky, probeer eers kwalifiseer vir die Caravenweek voor jy saammet die groot ooms kan speel.

  • jim.dickson2 - 2012-02-22 07:04

    We could always combine the Bulls and the Lions to accommodate them. After all the Bulls are a good team, the Lions won the Currie Cup. Combine them and make place fot the royal (kings) nobodies from PE/East London whatever..... Just a thought (And very tongue in cheek). Just leave my Cheetahs alone........

  • Ignatius - 2012-02-22 07:09

    Why are the EC supporters surprized that all the other supporters hate them? Respect is earned, not granted by SARU. The rivalry between the Stormers and the Bulls is real! They actually play and compete with each other! The Kings are like the small Fox terrier standing and barking behind the gate while the Rodweiler and the Boerbull is fightingting in the street. Shut up you bunch of clowns!!

  • Shaun Robinson - 2012-02-22 07:19

    Maybe this will be the year that Luke can actually go to the toilet and start wiping his own ass when he is done. The Watson's are a cancer to rugby in SA and should be kept VERY far away.

  • Frankie - 2012-02-22 07:24

    Gee die manne n kans en ons kyk of hulle swakker is as wat die Rebels was toe hulle in gekom het! Mense moet onthou hoeveel mense in die Oos Kaap wil ok graag op n Saterdag rygby live kyk,wil ok die Crusaders ,Bulls en Sharks sien! En al verloor die Kings 200 - 0 kan dt nogsteeds n lekker dag wees!

      Donny Doncaster - 2012-02-22 07:48

      Ten koste van wie Frankie? As jy die spanne wat jy genoem het wil live sien kan jy reis na waar hulle speel!

      Matt - 2012-02-22 10:42

      @donny. vraag is hoekom het SARU destyds ten koste van die Oos Kaap streek besluit om Super Rugby te onttrek uit die streek. En dit op beloftes wat hulle nou eers begin nakom. Die grootste rede hoekom die Oos Kaapse spanne nog nie na wense presteer het nie, is omdat hulle die enigste unies in die land is wat nie voordeel trek uit Super Rugby nie. Al die ander unies doen wel. mens kan nie van hulle verwag om te kompeteer met die ander unies as hulle nie dieselfde voordele het nie. So ja, miskien moet jy maar solank die flight schedules na PE begin check...

  • Patrick - 2012-02-22 07:25

    thats very cheeky of him!!!

  • Bomb - 2012-02-22 07:37

    I for one are all for their i dont know, and who falls out i don't care, cause this guarantees an extra 2 hours of comedy i can watch on the saturday's the so-called kings will play. What i do know though, is the way that it was trumpeted to all who wanted to listen, that the kings will contribute to development in the area blah blah blah and give the local players a chance. I will support their inclusion if the 22 players in the saturday squad are all actually then from the eastern cape, included to give exposure to this level of rugby. What i do know is going to happen, is that they are now going to try and recruit players and has-beens from other provinces at a rate of knots so as to not make their names completely POEFIE. So there goes the development "sales pitch".

  • ploock1 - 2012-02-22 07:38

    Cheeky dit is nou cheaky van jou om soo its te se nadat jy miljoen naa daai korupt manne gegooi het no pass jy die buck jy is die slegte in vloed hier daai manne kani super rugby speel nie vir hoe lank probeer hulle in 1st devision currie cup rugby speel hulle is nie op standaard nie en jy is n imbarisment vir SA rugby soo ook jou seun julle verdien dit nie

  • Mikail Schutte - 2012-02-22 07:38

    Only when the Kings manage to make the Currie cup and are able to compete with the franchises at a consistent level should there be talk of them applying for the Super 15. SARU is forcing quota into Super Rugby and since the format is set until 2015,South African rugby might have to suffer. They would NEVER campaign this fiercely if the team was predominantly white!

  • jacques.byliefeldt - 2012-02-22 07:51

    I think there is more to this story , there is no way Cheeky Watson would be so ''cheecky'' if he does not have someone by their ''bal hare'' at SARFU , this is one more example of how politics run our rugby and not people that know rugby......

  • Blaine Dillon - 2012-02-22 08:01

    Qualify for Currie Cup first.

  • Clive - 2012-02-22 08:07

    Cheeky must stop thinking of filling his pockets and think of the game. They can have a play-off to see if they qualify.. Up to now they are still learning to play rugby.

  • Willem - 2012-02-22 08:09

    Just change the Lions name to Kings and the problem is solved.

  • louis.langenhoven - 2012-02-22 08:09

    "It's SA Rugby and the other South African franchises' problem," said Watson. "What can I say about this that I haven't said before? What I can say is one one word......typical

  • johanspokie.rossouw - 2012-02-22 08:26

    Kings have proven nothing or have done nothing to deserve a chance to play in the super rugby yet! win a currie cup 1st before going to super rugby! The Kings are an disgrace to rugby so far!

  • Dennis - 2012-02-22 08:53

    I sooooo hope that this undeserving team are told to go and play in the junior leagues !! The watson family think it is still 1990 !!

  • Michael Kirk Lindgren - 2012-02-22 08:57

    So what if the bulls whom are multiple super title holders should end up on the bottom of the super log with their new inexperienced team, do you really think that they have to defend themselves from being knocked out against a kings side who hasn't even participated in a currie cup match

      coolshoesouthafrica - 2012-02-22 11:05

      The decision will be made long before the Super 15 have been completed. I can see them taking the record over the last 5 years Imagine if it was down to one game...not heathly for the sport

  • duane.pienaar - 2012-02-22 09:05

    @Emile: Dont stress your head as results go and have shown since 2005 Lions cant finish in a top10 spot in Super Rugby.I doubt they gonna do it this year unless they pull a miracle out their asses. Why not kick those lions in the balls and out super rugby and give a new team a chanse. 2005- 12th 2006- 14th 2007- 12th 2008- 14th 2010- 14th 2011- 15th Those results are shamefull, either stone dead last or 2nd last. What a joke.

      andre.nell - 2012-02-22 12:26

      Lions won the currie cup this year, and they have a good coach .....aanhouer wen !!!

      Vincent - 2012-02-22 14:25

      A comment from another idiot. At least the Lions make the Premiere Division of th Currie Cup every year, and won it last year. Before you open your mouth, build a team that can make it in the Currie Cup, then you can start talking about Super Rugby!! If a A division Curry Cup team like the Lions battle to make it out of the bottom half, what do you think will happen to your new team. You will only destroy their confidence and who knows, maybe the players aswell. THINK!!!

      Mark - 2012-02-22 17:32

      @pienaar ...Hopefully they kick out your team. Goooooooooooooo LIONS

  • Bruce Chetty - 2012-02-22 09:08

    To all of you. Who will you support in a final, kings or reds? The only player that is really guaranteed a super rugby contract for the kings is Luke and with a big financial injection that is soon coming the kings way. Big name players will flock to PE.

  • Timonie - 2012-02-22 09:10

    Dont deserve to be competing in Super Rugby.Kon nie eers kwalifiseer vir Currie Cup premier division nie.Groot Teleurstelling!!

      Matt - 2012-02-22 09:17

      sou nogal gehelp het as daar laas jaar promo games was. Kings het tog laas jaar Pumas, Griekwas en Leopards gewen...

  • Craig - 2012-02-22 10:17

    I say let the kings play,it will be the easiest superbru points ever. more seriously the kings cant even beat boland who has no super rugby ambitions what so ever,everyboby commenting must be very careful cheeky and his show pony son will try and take your farms if you dont support them.

      coolshoesouthafrica - 2012-02-22 12:00

      Craig...please use both eyes when reading The Kings will be made up of 3 regions.. SWD/EP/Border Boland beat EP not all 3 combined Lets see what EP do to Boland this year and talk again

  • coolshoesouthafrica - 2012-02-22 10:54

    It's a pity none of you get the whole Super Rugby system do you? It's a Franchise System just like other major Sporting codes around the world. No team has the right to a license. SARU have always wanted EC to be part of the system and have been discussing this since around 2002. The EC was meant to be part of the system in 2005 but due to a few issues this did not happen. SARU have now woken up to late and realised they have to live up to their promise. The Kings who is made up of 3 regions - EP/SWD/Border are the only team who have been assured a franchise license for 2013. All 3 teams currently have limited funding which will change once sponsors get onboard and the broadcasting rights are paid. All 3 teams currently struggle but are improving as more money has been made available. The EP Kings have made strides in the last few years. Winning the first division title in 2010 and runners up in 2011 Compared to the 5 years before where they ended up mid table Rugby is a professional Sport and you need money to put together a decent squad and all that comes with it. The teams with the most money in all Sports have the most successful teams. So no money and you get left behind You get it??

      coolshoesouthafrica - 2012-02-22 11:55

      promotion/ having a laugh. Kings dont have a squad to match any of the BIG 5's The Lions/Cheetahs have been given millions of rands over the last few years to build their squads now they must play a team without those payouts The team playing that playoff wont be near the side playing in the 2013 series so playoffs make no sense at all

  • Carelle Van der Merwe - 2012-02-22 11:15

    Hi Lets all stand together and fight back: We will start a boycott next year if this doesnt work

      coolshoesouthafrica - 2012-02-22 11:56

      Havent the Lions supporters been boycotting their home games over the last 10 years anyway?

      Johan - 2012-02-22 18:48

      Funny how the bad boys in rugby has changed from the Bulls/ sharks to the Lions reacently... It's though at the top. Now all of the sudden the Lions supporters are idiots... Maybe when the Kins win then they can also be idiots.

  • Dustin - 2012-02-22 11:25

    They should make each region be a stand alone franchise. And not amalgamate them for Super rugby like they do now... Let every regional team prove themselves in our currie cup premier division and earn the right to represent South Africa in Super Rugby. Much the same as Football teams have to qualify for champions league. Rugby games are not ONLY won by having top paid players, there is much more strategy and tactics and motivation that goes into it, you can have the best group of players in the world and might not win a single game if there is no plan or leadership. You have to WIN to be recognized... Not whine like a spoilt brat until you get what you want... Where is this massive money injection going to come from? On Point Engineering maybe? Thats the only idiot that will put money into a losing team...

      coolshoesouthafrica - 2012-02-22 11:58

      80% of the money comes from Television Rights!!

      Dustin - 2012-02-22 13:47

      So Patrick, you honestly as a person who loves Rugby and I assume knows the game believe that The Kings are worth having in the Super Rugby tournament? at the expense of teams that have been proving their worth, year in and out in domestic competition? If you do please explain the reasoning behind this? I just can't see the logic in this kind of forceful insertion of the Kings into the competition.

  • duane.pienaar - 2012-02-22 11:26

    @ Carelle: ROFL!!!! OMG this is funny stuff. Avid Rugby supporters are gonna just switch off their tv's and tear up season tickets to boycott Super Rugby? You should boycott the lions disgraceful showing the last 6 years in super rugby.

      Johan - 2012-02-22 13:22

      and what about the EPs disgrace over the last 100 years?? EP = 0 currie cup Championships !! And for a very long time money had nothing to do with it!!!

  • Neville - 2012-02-22 11:53

    There must be Someone powerfull in the Eastern Cape , first they got the Sevens and now Super Rugby , where are they going to get money the province suffer

  • andre.nell - 2012-02-22 12:06

    How exactly did they qualify for S15 ? The top 5 teams of each country plays or am I missing something ??

      Matt Prinsloo - 2012-02-22 20:07

      Ja andre, jy mis iets. In omtrent 2005 is oorgegaan na die franchise stelsel, dus gaan dit nie meer oor die top 5 of 6 nie.

  • christo.vanderwesthuizen1 - 2012-02-22 13:01

    It is unfair to drop one of the teams out of Superugby to accomodate the Kings even if they will be selected from 3 regions! Border and SWD is a laugh. Dont think it will add anything to the team. What must happened actually is that they must play as a team in the Currie Cup untill 2016 and then added as a 6th franchise to Superugby

  • shayne.adcock - 2012-02-22 13:19

    Look guys I believe this issue can be resolved quiet easily. Firstly The EP Kings have to qualify and win the Currie Cup before receiving Super Rugby Status they cannot step up to the Super Rugby platform when they compete against 2nd Tier sides and cannot even win the Currie Cup First Division, you may as well say well done Boland you are next years new Super Rugby Team because you won the Currie Cup First Division its never gonna happen. Resolution Option - Allow them to play Currie Cup Premier Division 2012 if the finish in the Top 3 they the can progress to a end of year Super Rugby Qualification Series with the Two lowest ranked SA teams in the 2012 Super 15 Tournament. Therefore opening the door for the top two teams ranked from the qualifing series after home and away fixtures to join the other three teams who automatically qualify for the 2013 Super 15 on Conference position 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

  • Hendrik - 2012-02-22 13:42

    "Dear mr watson", How in the name of rugby or love or politics or anything else do you for one moment imagine that rag tag bunch of castaways could even come close to deserving to play in a top level competition like this? Perhaps ONE day when you get to qualify for the Currie Cup level, and hold your own there, you might then be close to good enough for SUPER Rugby. Please crawl back into a hole somewhere in the Transkei in the meantime.

  • Cilliers - 2012-02-22 13:46

    Okay, let's just get this over and done with: Whoever finishes last out of all the S15 sides in the CC gets knocked out and makes way for the Kings. We do have one problem with this though, the Kings are not even bloody good enough to play in the CC. Speaking of the CC, why can't a team like Griquas play in the S15 then? Sure they will get killed in Super Rugby, but at least they offer a better alternative then the damn Kings.

      coolshoesouthafrica - 2012-02-22 14:09

      The EP Kings beat the Griquas and Pumas last season.... 2 bad games vs Boland with half the team out and everyone thinks they are crap The EP Kings won the CC First ivision in 2010, Lets see where the Kings finish at the end up this Currie Cup I can see them winning and getting promotion to the top 6 EC RUGBY ON THE RISE

  • coolshoesouthafrica - 2012-02-22 13:54

    I'm seriously thinking about not reading the News24 articles going forward. I cant believe the amount of stupid/lame/pointless/factless comments I read on here

      Cilliers - 2012-02-22 13:57

      Then read the article and not the comments?

      Champ - 2012-02-22 14:47

      @ Patrick: then stop commenting - it will realy raise the standard

      Ricky - 2012-02-22 17:33

      These idiots will only raise your blood pressure Patrick. I only read their comments when i'm bored or need a laugh. Not worth the effort.

  • Danny - 2012-02-22 14:04

    Cheeky you are a chop, you always have been a chop and will die a chop !!

  • Jody - 2012-02-22 15:51

    Watsons se gat.