Bulls scrum most 'pap' of all?

2012-04-26 11:55

Cape Town – An Australian-based rugby website suggests a slightly surprise package as most vulnerable Super Rugby scrum in the 2012 season thus far: the Bulls’ pack.

The site, active since the 2007 World Cup, has produced statistics after round nine of the competition purporting to show that the Loftus-based side are the biggest infringers at scrum-time.

It has produced a graph headed “percentage of scrums teams concede as infringement”, listing the records in that area for all 15 teams thus far.

“At the end of the day, there’s one measure that really matters (in gauging scrum weakness) ... who gets pinged the most, regardless of feed, ref, opposition.

“Who refs perceive as having the dodgiest scrum whether by mistimed engagement, weak hit or obvious boring, is what ultimately matters.”

According to the listed stats, the Bulls are blown up in 17.9% of their scrums, with the Brumbies next worst offenders at 14.9% and the Hurricanes earning dubious “bronze medal” for 14.7%.

At the strongest end of the table, by contrast, comes a team ironically once branded the southern softies for their perceived lack of broad forward mongrel: the Stormers.

The Capetonians, sharing the SA conference lead with the Bulls in points terms on 33 entering the latest round, apparently only get whistled up against themselves at 7.2% of their scrums, very closely followed by compatriots the Sharks (7.3%) and then the Blues (7.6%).

Seven-time tournament winners the Crusaders, who currently field one of the most revered scrummaging packs, come in fourth (8.7%).
Of course there are “statistics and damned lies”, and referees are often accused anyway of penalising the wrong side at scrums, one of the most subjective areas of the modern game.

But the figures are worth chewing on, all the same.

For all the rightful talk in recent seasons of the three-time champion Bulls’ forward physicality being a key string to their bow, their set scrum has seldom been held up as a thing of special awe.


  • gerhard.nel - 2012-04-26 12:10

    Makes sense, the Stormers scrummed most teams this year into the ground including the Bulls.

      gerhard.nel - 2012-04-26 13:00

      So as die Stormers gereeld ander spanne, insluitend die Bulle amper elke skrum 2 - 3 meter terugstoot dan verbeel ons onself? Wat rook jy? Suur druiwe?

      Stirrer - 2012-04-26 13:05

      @Japjap: Suurgat. Stormer groete.

      Jimmy - 2012-04-26 13:14

      "...insluitend die Bulle amper elke skrum 2 - 3 meter terugstoot...", What the hell are YOU smoking? I'm not saying it hasn't happened, I'm just saying that it certainly didn't happen amper elke skrum. Do you Stormers know why you will NOT win the Super trophy this year or any time soon? Because of your arrogance! Fortune favours the bold, not the cocky and arrogant

      Japjapjap - 2012-04-26 13:19

      briljant @gertjie, jy's reg- in droomland!! jo verbeelding hardloop weg?? kyk ek sou ook eerder gereeld op 'n verbeeldings tog gaan, as ek di weepee ondersteun het, want di realiteit omtrent..weepee is ni altyd lekker ni, ne'?? "..dreams are good friends when your lonely.."

      Koos - 2012-04-26 14:12

      @jimmy...jy is duidelik n on-ingeligte dom "boks".

      Sulaiman - 2012-04-26 14:52

      Another article stolen from Sport24 bloggers. Rob Howing write up your own articles

      walkthisway469 - 2012-04-26 16:17

      A classic line.i am retweeting @ stirrer.Let op pap jap. Somebody should tell Pierre Spies when they shout "groot push, boys!" they are not criticizing him, they actually want him to help.

      Rinus - 2012-04-26 16:25

      Me thinks "groot push" is the right call! :-)

      Trading - 2012-04-28 10:19

      Only a Stormer supporter will read AND believe that sh!#T. Be my guest, keep telling yourself that b@llsh!#T

  • dawiej - 2012-04-26 12:18

    Hahah. No suprise from the pink milk cows.

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      pieter.thefuture - 2012-04-26 12:48

      @ marius - yep, that why team have warm up games, to identify what is not working, and fix it before the real games start, thanks for showing a brilliant example of something that was identified as a problem, fixed and is now considered one of the best scrums in superrugby.

      Japjapjap - 2012-04-26 12:57

      @pietertji- "to identify what is not working..." the whole weepee team??? oja di afrigters ook...

      walkthisway469 - 2012-04-26 15:29

      Thats why the kings are doing so well in the vodacom cup , right marius!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Marius - 2012-04-27 12:08

      @ walkthisway469. The Kings are not doing too bad in the Southern Section, seeing that they have played their last 3 games with props that were still playing u/21 last year. Both the props that I mentioned in my earlier comment have been out injured for the last 4 games. Jaco Engels has had minor surgery on both his calves earlier this week , but indications are that he should be fully recovered and fit for the start of the Currie Cup. Prop is the one position where the Kings reserve stocks are still very inexperienced at the moment, but with Rob Kempson as their mentor, the two youngsters have done quite well up till now. Kempson was also the guy who pointed out the flaw in Kitzhoff's scrumming technique to Allister Coetze after the warm-up game against the Kings and that is why it could be rectified in time.

  • Charl - 2012-04-26 12:22

    pink cows cant scrum. Thay are to soft

      Stirrer - 2012-04-26 13:07

      That happens when 7 scrums against 8. Somebody should tell Pierre Spies when they shout "groot push, boys!" they are not criticizing him, they actually want him to help.

      Jimmy - 2012-04-26 13:10

      You probably meant "tOO soft" with two o's, never mind you Stormers supporters are not known for your academic brilliance. Boet you obviously know f-all about the game. I'll admit the Stormers got a good scrum this year, however any person that refers to the Bulls as "to soft" has got to be a bit on the dof side. And honoustly... pink cows??? Is that the best you could come up with?? The irony is that this is coming from a supporter of the team that comes from the gay capital of SA.

      Stirrer - 2012-04-26 14:05

      @Jimmy - EPIC FAIL!!! "Stormers supporters are not known for your academic brilliance" - yet you cannot spell "honestly" properly - "honoustly", honestly? "the team that comes from the gay capital of SA" - Do the Stormers prance around in pink kit? Do the Stormers have Pierre Spies as captain? Do the Stormers have a scrum that is judged the pappest in the competition? Do the Stormer supporters admire each other's horings and sing "Liefling"? And you really, really, honestly, in your heart of hearts want to call Cape Town the gay capital of South Africa? Stormer groete :D

      Stille - 2012-04-26 14:06

      Jimmy - if you are correcting other people's spelling, please dont make mistakes yourself you dimwitted sloth. Its "HONESTLY", not honously.

      Charl - 2012-04-26 14:57

      @Jimmy. where did you get the idea that im a stormer???????????????? dnt insult me like that plz

      William - 2012-04-26 16:50

      ok wil net weet vir n span wat nie kan skrum nie en al twee keer al verloor het om die selfde punte te he as n span wat goed skrum en net een keer verloor het weet ek nie so mooi nie wie is die swakste nie sal maar sien waar eindig die twee aan die einde van die super 15 seisoen

      Brendon - 2012-04-26 21:27

      @Jimmy; "I'll admit the Stormers got a good scrum this year","And honoustly","has got to be a bit on the dof side". "Stormers supporters are not known for your academic brilliance ". LOL! Please tell me this is a joke?! Next time try : have, honestly, has to be or must be, their. Probably t00 dumb to get it. Get got out of your vocabulary Jim.

      Raymond - 2012-04-27 00:18

      @Jimmy ~ what is that Bull Supporters web site called? ~ really? Cape Town Gay ~ really?

  • Marko - 2012-04-26 12:26

    The Aussies should know best. They have been manipulating the scrum for years and have been getting away with It, when other teams do it they want to point it out. Any team who gets a right sholder against their teams they collapse the scrum. Just have a look on the weekend when the Force play the Stormers an you will see what I mean.

      Marko - 2012-04-26 12:49

      If you call yourself watchman you should open your eyes now and then, mabe you will see more clearly that nothing you said makes any sense my boy.

      Marko - 2012-04-26 15:03

      Being 64 and never had your head in a Scrum. Don't comment on scrumming techniqes if if you have no knowlege about it. Or seing that you rate yourself as a boffin why not join the Boks and share your knowledge with all us stupid ones.

  • Lionel - 2012-04-26 12:37

    Remove Spies and the Bulls scrum will be better:):):)

      Stormkaap - 2012-04-26 12:51

      Agree... hy speel vit spek en boontjies!!! LMAO

      Marko - 2012-04-26 13:21

      Maybe you are rite Lionel, I also think Jano Vermaak should also get a start.

      Stormkaap - 2012-04-26 18:54

      JAaap.. lyk my jy is al gesuip voor die weekend begin het.. no drinking and driving..Moet ook nie Mtombo koop nie

  • Gieljam - 2012-04-26 12:40

    Soon it will be the calm after the Storm and the "Jersey" Bulls will then be back and out -perform..

  • 1amAlan - 2012-04-26 13:20

    Underestimate the bulls pack at your own peril. Actually hope the bulls grind the Aussies and Kiwis into the dirt.

      Leon - 2012-04-26 13:36

      Ever heard ANY sense out of a Ause mouth???

  • Marko - 2012-04-26 13:32

    Seams to me those Aussie stititcians are trying to PRIME the refs before the Bulls tour. Watch this space.

  • Andre - 2012-04-26 14:15

    Kan jy imagine as die Bulls hulle dissipline regkry,wat die score dan vir die Bulls sal wees,aangesien hulle die minste geblaas word in die res van die spel?-miskien sal hulle dan nie meer net gelyk wees aan die WP met punte nie,maar dan bo aan die puntelys.

  • Sulaiman - 2012-04-26 14:51

    Really another article stolen from Sport24bloggers.

  • Rinus - 2012-04-26 16:25

    And Spies and Bekker for our centre pairing .....

  • RetiefC - 2012-04-26 16:48

    A few Stormer supporters die, and as expected they go to hell. The devil notices that they’re quite happy, and asks them why. They explain “After the lousy weather in Cape Town, we actually enjoy the warmth.” The devil thinks “I’ll fix them” and turns up the heat. He finds the Stormers with their shirts off enjoying a chop on the braai and having a papsak. “Whenever the weather gets this good in Cape Town, we can’t waste it, so this is what we do”. The devil decides to wipe the smile off their faces by turning the heat down to freezing. He returns to the Stormers to find them celebrating. “What now?” he asks. One explains “Well, when hell freezes over, we’re sure to win the Super Rugby trophy

      Brendon - 2012-04-26 20:46

      Did the dead Stormers fans get to go to Loftus when they were in Pretoria?

      Juan - 2012-04-26 22:32

      who has the time to think of this type of crap

      RetiefC - 2012-04-27 16:56

      Brendon, the dead Stromers did not go to Heaven, they went to hell. He he

  • Karen - 2012-04-27 02:56

    The bulls supporters always bring up the fact that they have won the super rugby title on 3 occasions but what they don't tell us is that they have anot her trophy in their cabinet, commonly known as the wooden spoon. This trophy is awarded for finishing first from the bottom in super rugby. The bulls and the sharks are the top two winners of that unofficial trophy. The stormers don't have one of those and we don't plan to win one! Storm saam!

      jean.rossouwsa - 2012-04-27 06:57

      Shame, so your 0 super rugby cup's means more than a team that won it 3 times! Pathetic. All that is important is that they won the wooden spoon, shame again! Another Bulls hater, Shame.......... Must be a sad place to support a team that is so fantastic but never wins.

  • jean.rossouwsa - 2012-04-27 06:52

    And we all know statistics means "bugger-all". Getting to the semi's and final and winning it means all. Why are the media so "concentrated" on the Blue Bulls team? They played in 3 finals and won all 3! Do they need to prove anything to anybody? NO NO NO.

      Johann - 2012-04-27 15:15

      All your loud mouth bull supporters/rugby gurrus, we, (STORMERS) don't believe any of this, but you should realy pray that the reffs doesn't, or else this is going to be a looong pink tour for your 3year (somewhere in the past) champion team. This tour has all the makings of a dream killer, all the best!!! PS. Please correct the spelling

  • Trading - 2012-04-27 12:25

    Only a Stormer supporter will read AND believe that sh!#T. Be my guest, keep telling yourself that b@llsh!#T

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