Bulls refuse to apologise

2012-04-09 15:19

Pretoria - The Bulls will not agree to a demand from Crusaders coach Todd Blackadder that they need to apologise after no evidence of eye-gouging was found by Sanzar’s judiciary system, High Performance and Media Manager Ian Schwartz said on Monday.

Blackadder told a post-match media briefing in Pretoria on Saturday that he expected an apology from the Bulls - a statement he repeated to the New Zealand media – should the allegations proved to be false.

According to Sanzar, no evidence on the matter could be sourced via video material available.

Sanzar CEO Greg Peters said there was no evidence to substantiate the claims after it was fully reviewed by the citing commissioner (Freek Burger) and the video evidence did not support any further action being taken.

“The Bulls are not interested in getting into a public spat with the Crusaders, as we always had the greatest respect for them and a very cordial relationship,” Schwartz said.

The Bulls are standing their ground on claims made by the players.

"The rules are clear and we applied them 100 percent correctly. We had the right to raise the matter with the referee and we accept the fact that there was no video evidence."

He stressed that the Bulls' players' integrity is above reproach.

"I just want to say that our players' integrity is just as important to us, as the Crusaders' players integrity is to them. I feel the players will not make unfounded accusations unless something has happened.”

No apology will be extended.

"For them to suggest we must now apologise, just because there is no video evidence available, would mean we have lied. It is ridiculous to suggest that every time there is a citing and there is not enough evidence, the other team should apologise. It is a pity they have raised the matter through the media, as our doors of communication with them has always been open for a direct approach. We would have followed the official and appropriate channels.”


  • Press - 2012-04-09 15:32

    Well - it would probably be wise for the Crusaders to show exactly where Flip's eye injury then happenned to substantiate their claims and disprove the Bull's claims - and finally settle this matter.

      FinallyOn - 2012-04-10 10:01

      Actually its the other way round...the Bulls have to prove as they are the ones accusing, not the Crusaders disproving allegations that have no proof in the first place

      Pietie - 2012-04-10 10:05

      @FinallyOn The proof was on Flip's eye!

  • Priester - 2012-04-09 15:47

    As my pa my nie gevang rook het nie beteken dit nie dat ek nie gerook het nie. Nee jong my gat het daardie dag net nie gebrand nie. Blou Bul Groete!

  • Tokolos - 2012-04-09 16:18

    To whom it may concern: Tokolos would like to "apologize" that the Bulls beat the Crusaders on the weekend,. even with their dirty tactics and all. Tokolosh also extends his deepest sympathy to the treasury department of the Crusaders as well for wasting money on airfare. You could have just sent the points via email, much cheaper. Tokolos also has no doubt in the integrity of South Africa's own homegrown Chillie. His integrity is above questioning and so the integrity of Pierre Spies who complained on behalf of Flip. Again Tokolos would like to extend his deepest regret that you have wasted your time coming here. Now build a bridge and get over it! Julle MASEKINNERS STORMBULL TOKOLOS

      Tokolos - 2012-04-09 16:34

      Oh Oh, Tokolos forgot something Stormers..... Make them your BITCHES on the weekend!!! Go Stormers (This is against Tokolos' religion but anyway)

      Blouvitrioel - 2012-04-09 17:17

      Isak, dit lyk my jy wil nie luster nie. Het die ontslape Bulldozer ooit in sy lewe die Stormers ondersteun?

      Tokolos - 2012-04-09 18:26

      Vitrioel Tokolos dink jy slaan die spyker op die kop. Oom Isak wil nie hoor nie. Hy glo net wat hy wil. Hy is so verkeerd. Die stress is nie goed vir sy gesondheid nie. Oom Isak Let op die geskryf in hakies. Stormers is teen Tokolos se geloof. Tokolos spel dit duidelik uit. Hou nou op met die gedagte dat Tokolos verskeie persoonlikhede is.Tokolos is 'n outjie op sy eie. Soos Tokolos reeds gesê het, hy het goeie mentors gehad op hierdie blogs. Tokolos noem hulle weer vir jou: SAFFA / BULLDOZER (R.I.P.) / BLUE RAVEN / BLOU DAAN / PRIESTER / RENE en nou die rugby genius BLOU VITRIOEL ook. Jy sal baie ooreenkomste vind in dit wat Tokolos skryf want al hierdie rugby breine het 'n groot invloed op hom gehad. Tokolos beskou hulle almal as sy mentors. BLOU BUL KAMPIOEN GROETE, TOKOLOS

      Blouvitrioel - 2012-04-09 20:16

      Isak, SAFFA / BLUE RAVEN / BLOU DAAN / PRIESTER / RENE en nou die rugby genius BLOU VITRIOEL (ek) is 180% seker dat jy sonder harsings funksioneer. Tokolos, dankie my maat.

      Dave - 2012-04-10 01:57

      Do you always talk about yourself in the third person? You seem to have the brain of a three year old. Are you fresh out of the jungle you muppet?

      Tokolos - 2012-04-10 07:28

      Dave, At least Tokolos have a brain .That sheep brain that they transplanted on you is definitely not working as well as they thought it would.... and in NZ they regard you as a genius most probably. Bye now numb nuts!

      Dave - 2012-04-10 07:45

      Jungle bunny

      Pietie - 2012-04-10 10:11

      Me thinks Dave is a Tranny!

  • RetiefC - 2012-04-09 16:20

    I think the Stormers should run on to the field wearing safety goggles on Saturday.

      Ryno - 2012-04-09 17:40

      Kry vir Super Schalk om hulle kontaklense uit te krap,dan kan julle deurmekaar hardloop. By the way, is dit net ek, maar Dan Carter lyk bietjie gay vir my. Kyk bietjie sy mannerismes hierdie naweek en oordeel maar self.

      steyts - 2012-04-10 08:24

      Hoe snaaks sal dit nie wees nie as die stormers uithardloop met swem goggles!!!!! Ek sal my hol skeer!!!!

  • Stephan - 2012-04-09 16:29

    From a fellow South African Rugby supporter (Stormers and WP) I would like to say I back the Bulls managment 100% in that they do not appologize. Todd needs to wake-up and smell the coffee. Yes it is good to trust that your team members would not do such a thing, but then don't expect the Bulls, or whatever other team management, to insult their team member's integrity by showing that you don't trust that what they said was the truth.

  • Lara - 2012-04-09 17:01

    For the first time this season I support the Stormers next week. F-- hulle op.

      Tokolos - 2012-04-09 18:57

      Se hulle Laratjie. Tokolos is baie trots op jou. Hugs, Tokolos

  • Cassandra Olivier - 2012-04-09 17:32

    Why must the Bulls apologise the Crusaders like to play dirty

  • Reagan - 2012-04-09 18:18

    I'm a Stormer so I'm with the bulls on this one dnt give a damn about nz teams

  • Chumscrubber1 - 2012-04-09 20:19

    Lost a bit of respect for Blackadder and the Crusaders today. Pathetic. Hope the Stormers klap them!

  • Dennis - 2012-04-09 20:28

    Aaah shame sore losers

      theron.fau - 2012-04-11 16:12

      if they were sore losers they would be complaining about the try disallowed because of carter supporting lot of BS i think.

  • Michael Green - 2012-04-09 20:28

    Bulls are pathetic, lost all my respect for them! Why can't they prove this? It's not even on camera. Bloody poofters!

      fcint - 2012-04-09 21:23

      I see that Michael attended the Northhampton School for Boys ? which was also in known in its time as the School for Scoundrels, and has a drama workshop! Way to go Michael.

      Rich - 2012-04-09 22:04

      "The citing commissioner also found it interesting that the Bulls did not follow through with a complaint within the four-hour window after the game." I smell a rat, or two.

      Tokolos - 2012-04-10 07:32

      Michael Tokolos see that your favorite sports is soccer. Is that where the poofter thing comes from? Go comment on the poofter blogs and leave rugby to real men!

      Marko - 2012-04-10 13:08

      Michael, so you liked the showers at school hey. Commenting on poofs and you'r in the closet. And by the way YOU are pathetic. The Bulls don't need your respect you poof!

  • geoffrey.stokker - 2012-04-09 20:29

    Agree completely! Just because there isn't video evidence doesn't mean nothing happened. Look at Flip's eye in the photo, something obviously happened.

  • Norman - 2012-04-09 21:59

    dealing with SARU is like dealing with the Nazis. if you arent right than you die. if you are right it does not matter, you still die any way. there is no point trying to prove any case here against any SA team. there is no moral ground - or maybe just a sprinkling, but by a large measure, a very large measure, they dont give a hoot about the right thing, excuse me they do but only if it offended them. there is not justice in the SA rugby public, just strong, beefing, opinions and only theirs matters. where i come from, it just call them ignaorant. good luck SA, cant wait to meet up for the next round so that you can find the ref next time to bash!!!

  • Harry - 2012-04-09 22:03

    Michael Green I guess if you lost respect for the Bulls you also lost your respect for the All Blacks - specifically Richie McCaw - he claimed eye-gouging in the Final last year against the French - NOTHING PROVEN see the link. So I would suggest the Bulls apologize as soon as the All Blacks do, enough said sunshine.

      Rich - 2012-04-09 22:28

      There was evidence but Richie decided not to lay a complaint after the game - too busy enjoying his RWC win. Completely different scenario Harry - Rougerie wasn't carded and white cards were not used in the RWC. If Richie had laid a complaint then Rougerie would have copped a hefty suspension.Watch the video again Harry, Richie is clearly gouged - he didn't make it up. This whole white card business could start getting ridiculous.

  • ckrohne1 - 2012-04-09 22:29

    As ek mag vra. Is Bulldozer en SAFFA oorlede en wanneer? God Bless.

  • Adrian - 2012-04-09 22:38

    Typical all black rugby...

      Dave - 2012-04-10 02:00

      Is that how world champions play is it?

      Dave - 2012-04-10 07:52

      Still hard to take is it blue princess? Well get use to it because for the next four years it isn't going to change. You know NZ has always been the best and now we have the official title to back up the ranking. Enjoy being ranked behind Scotland.

      pchronias - 2012-04-10 10:48

      @Dave go make love to a sheep!!!!! and don't worry we will get back to number one with our new coach!!!!! teach u guys how rugby should be played!!!! BOKKE 4 LIFE

      DawsonKA - 2012-04-10 12:07

      Hey Dave. Check your facts before make a comment that shows your intellect. From the IRB site: IRB World Rankings - 09 April 2012 1(1) NEW ZEALAND 91.43 2(2) AUSTRALIA 87.99 3(3) SOUTH AFRICA 84.34 4(4) ENGLAND 83.62 5(5) WALES 83.32 6(6) FRANCE 81.91 7(7) ARGENTINA 80.28 8(8) IRELAND 79.85 9(9) TONGA 76.63 10(10) SAMOA 75.81 11(11) ITALY 74.17 12(12) SCOTLAND 73.86 That's the official IRB rankings. Next time check it, if you can remember the website. I know it must be hard to overload your brain cell with new information. BTW just because the incident was not proven on camera does not mean it did not happen. The cameras can only capture so many angles and places at any time.

  • Zion - 2012-04-10 06:55

    When going over the evidence it seems as if the Bulls have lied. and display a rather unsportsmanlike attitude. reminiscent of the Bryce Lawrence debacle.

      Dave - 2012-04-10 07:49

      I guess you could say "good on the Bulls for finding a way to bend the rules (aka cheat)". I just look at them as desperate for a home win at whatever cost. This incident will hurt them more in the long run. Enjoy the four points you cheats.

      Pietie - 2012-04-10 10:09

      @Dave Honestly, just go bang your mother you piece of TRAILER TRASH!

      Zion - 2012-04-21 17:32

      it is truly unbelievable how far some will go to lie and fool themselves about the outcome of the hearing. Thye evidence has proven thaqt the Crusaders did not gouge eyes et-el. As for plank ets those are noiting more than empty foreskins and solidly poor losers. ZION PAY

  • Nicholas - 2012-04-10 09:02

    Leave it Todd, concentrate on winning your games instead. I cannot believe that two players, including an ex captain would both make the same allegations.

  • Christopher - 2012-04-10 09:35

    It's a mans sport not a woosies sport! Things like this are always going to happen, you bunch of softees. Although 99% of the time I do not want the Stormers to win , this is my 1% time... Destroy the crusaders Stormers..

      Jill - 2012-04-10 09:56

      As I said earlier, THIS AINT NO GAME FOR SISSIES!!!!

      Pietie - 2012-04-10 10:29

      @Jill, Christopher Correct, it is not a game for sissies. BUT, sticking your finger, object or whatever in somebody's eyes is not only dangerous but a CRIME! The intent is to cause BODILY HARM!

      Marko - 2012-04-10 12:58

      I agree that rugby is not for softies, that's why you lounge rugby gurus can comment. I played club rugby for 22 years after school, been punched, kicked and bitten. And handed out as good as I have received, but eye gouging never once occured. It is very dangerous and can blind you for life tthat is what the big hype is about. Either you condone it or denounce it.

      Christopher - 2012-04-10 16:04

      I am not saying you must gouge eyes out when you playing, but the Stormers said they did not do that, but the crusaders said they did...there is no evidence, so why should I believe the crusaders over the stormers...thats not going to happen.

  • Clive - 2012-04-10 10:27

    The Bulls is the last SA team I would support, but they are 100% correct on this issue. No apology!

  • Jill - 2012-04-10 10:53

    Oh Pietie, what a laugh we had in our law office about your comment which I think is absolutely rubbish..... "a crime REALLY??? "Causing bodily harm" REALLY??? , I think you are confused about what happened - if he had murdered the guy that would have been a CRIME. If he had tried to murder the guy that would have been trying to CAUSE BODILY HARM - but eye gouging I think not !!!!

      Pietie - 2012-04-10 11:42

      @Jill Oh OK, tell me what is the name of this so-called "law office". I think you are confused about everything in your life!!

      Pietie - 2012-04-10 11:53

      Do you think it's funny and not serious? You must work at an F-up law firm! You are a Disgrace! You don't work in a "law office"! If you really do, please give me the name of this so called law firm?

      Clive - 2012-04-10 22:03

      If eye-gouging is not attempting to cause grievous bodily harm, then I don't know what is. Surely if a player loses his eye because of such a barbaric act, that is pretty "grievous"?

  • Elton - 2012-04-10 12:17

    Where did most of these 'free-lance' writers for the Media24 group get their education. I refer this time to 2nd paragraph, last line: "Should the allegations PROVED to be false" - so many times the grammar and spelling are atrocious in these news reports, what is happening to the education system? Is there no proof reader? Come on guys (and girls), many of you are trying so hard to sound intelligent in your news reports, yet you can't even spell or use the correct words in the correct places...

  • Rodney - 2012-04-10 17:23

    ek wonder of julle baase weet julle voeter rond op die internet lol

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