Bulls deserved a penalty - Bray

2012-03-13 20:02

Johannesburg - The Bulls were right to ask for a penalty on the halfway line after their winger Bjorn Basson was hurt in an incident of foul play at the end of their 29-23 loss against the Blues at Loftus Versfeld on Saturday.

SANZAR referees boss Lyndon Bray has admitted that referee Steve Walsh “got it wrong” when he refused Bulls captain Pierre Spies’ pleas to award the penalty after the game.

Basson scored in the 79th minute of the game, and as he went over Blues winger Rene Ranger hit him illegally in attempting to stop him, an incident which earned Ranger a yellow card and a citing. The citing was later deemed to be a red card, and Ranger was sentenced to a two week ban by a SANZAR disciplinary tribunal for the incident.

But when it happened, Spies asked rightly for the penalty on the halfway line, the right call after a yellow card was awarded for foul play. Walsh refused, citing the time on the clock, which had expired.

While it may be a long shot, the Bulls could argue that they could have played the penalty and scored a try, thereby giving themselves a chance to win the game.

However, when Walsh refused, they had no chance to do such.

Bray told that Walsh afterwards had acknowledged he had made a mistake with the call and that he should have given the penalty on the halfway line.

The incident is a rare one, but one which caused much confusion among fans and players alike.

Bray said while it was a mistake, it should be seen in the bigger picture of the game.

“To what extent do you say, how does that error colour that performance. It isn’t that we trivialise it, it is an error and he was the first one to acknowledge that he made that mistake but for 79 minutes he refereed extremely well. We have to see that mistake in the context of his performance,” Bray said.

Bray said the decision, which is not something you see everyday in rugby, had literally caught Walsh out. In the heat of the moment he made a decision, one which was wrong, and it would be brought up in his review, which takes place this week.

“When you look at a guy of Steve’s calibre - he’s one of our best refs and in great form at the moment.

“Something catches you out - in this case its probably something that you have dealt with twice in your career and you make a decision in the moment, and you are adamant and you back yourself. Unfortunately he was wrong and he has accepted it afterwards. It is an unusual situation that doesn’t happen often in a game," said Bray.

The Bulls are unlikely to complain, but will feel they could have stolen the game in the end if they were given the chance.


  • Saffa - 2012-03-13 20:04

    Thank you very much!!!!!!!!!!!! Read it Stormers, Bulls robbed again, so both the Stormer games and the Bulls-Blues game should be replayed with neutral refs. Thanks at least for admitting it

      Rich - 2012-03-13 21:28

      @Saffa Steve Walsh is a neutral ref.

      Rich - 2012-03-13 21:30

      @Saffa I mean Steve Walsh was a neutral ref in the Bulls v Blues game.

      Saffa - 2012-03-13 21:31

      @Rich But made a mistake that cost the Bulls the game, so replay

      Rich - 2012-03-13 21:39

      @ Saffa So you're saying the Bulls would have won had they been given a penalty. Don't be ridiculous - Refs make mistakes all the time.The Blues won the game and theres nothing anyone can do about it. No amount of whining will change the result. Move on.

      Stormkaap - 2012-03-13 21:52

      Even if they got the penalty, Bulls would not have won.. Morne kicked crap all evening!

      Rich - 2012-03-13 21:57

      The score was 29 - 23. The Bulls would have needed a converted try to win the game. A game in which they were behind on the score board the entire match.

      Saffa - 2012-03-13 22:04

      @Stormkaap They wouldn't have kicked idiot, they would have tapped and go and scored a try. 7 points= Bulls victory

      Rich - 2012-03-13 22:30

      @Saffa No reason to call anyone an idiot. I could call you an idiot for thinking that Steve Walsh represented the NZRU. Get over it - The Bulls were beaten - not for the last time this season. By the way, rugby games are not replayed because the Ref made a mistake. I mean come on - do you really think they would replay the game?

      Saffa - 2012-03-13 22:56

      @Rich It's just plain unfair that the Bulls never had that penalty awarded, who knows what could have happened. So is the 29-23 scoreline a fair reflection of the game, can't say, Bulls could have won.

      Rich - 2012-03-13 23:43

      Saffa It doesn't matter. The Blues won. Get over it. You're in for a lot of heart break this season. That I can assure you of.

      Saffa - 2012-03-14 00:53

      Rich, yes the Bulls lost, I've accepted. But don't tell me "it doesn't matter", it does, that could have been the difference. So we'll accept and move on, hopefully you get a call like that sometime and see if you totally good for it and that "it doesn't matter

      Rich - 2012-03-14 02:44

      Saffa The two teams that I support in both Super and International rugby have had many bad calls go against them over the years with far greater consequences than that of a loss in a third round super 15 game. I've learnt to suck it up and move on because ifs and buts are always going to be ifs and buts and besides, nobody likes a whinger.

      Saffa - 2012-03-14 03:16

      Allright Rich, I've also seen some pathetic refereeing affecting my teams, none worse than that arrogant idiot Bryce Lawrence!

      Paul - 2012-03-14 10:11

      As a Saffa rugby supporter I'm getting sick and tied of our teams GETTING MUGGED BY AUSSIE AND NZ REFS ... yes I remember the emails that were exposed years ago between Mark Lawrence(Bryce's dad) and the Aussie refs about how they were going to TEACH THOSE JAPIES A LESSON ...ok so maybe the Bulls wouldn't have scored from the penalty but now we will never know , besides how badly did that NZ ref mug the Cheetahs on Saterday ...about 8 penalies top the Brumbies in the last 8 minutes ... ending in that BS penalty that won them the game , I say these Aussies and NZlanders are baltant cheats ...SPORTSMAN my ass !!!

      Rich - 2012-03-14 12:23

      As I said, nobody likes a whinger. Danie Rossouw cost SA the CHANCE to play the ABs, not BL.

      Rich - 2012-03-14 12:38

      @Paul No mention of Mark Lawrences under par performances? My heart bleeds for you, after all, the whole rugby world is against SA. And when a SA team fails to win the Super rugby championship and the Boks are once again comprehensively beaten in The Rugby Championship it will of course be poor refereeing to blame. Not an inexperienced coach, one dimensional tactics, and poor player management. May I remind you once again before this happens that after..... 16 years of tri nations rugby, SA have 3 titles, NZ has ten. 16 years of Super rugby, SA teams have 3 titles, NZ has nine. I personally don't expect the situation to get any better for SA and its Super rugby teams this year - and that is of course due to inconsistent NZ and Aussie Refs - yeah right.

      Paul - 2012-03-14 12:59

      @Rich You can try BS us but we've seen your refs ...Mark Lawrence was caught out with those emails , and like father like son Bryce took over from him ...cheats all cheats .. no wonder you guys won all those 3N's ... cheats from Richie to Bryce you're all a bunch of cheats .... HOLLOW VICTORIES !!! Oh yeah ... you fail to mention World Cups ... NZ played 7 won 2 Aussie palyed 7 won 2 SA palyed 5 won 2 ... but at least SA and Aussies can win it on the road Where as your AB's can onlyBARELY(1 point against a WEAK French team) win it at home with all the cards stacked in their favour ...and that includes your ref of the yeah Mr Bryce "I made a few mistakes" Lawrence .... 2011 AB's are the weakest World Champs EVER !!!

      Rich - 2012-03-14 13:23

      @Paul yeah right, hahahaha what a complete wan*** Go and have a cry.

  • Chappies ZA - 2012-03-13 20:06

    Bulls should wake up and play some rugby!! Shoulder charge the referee

  • Saffa - 2012-03-13 20:08

    @fake Saffa It's a pitty you don't have internet at home, your well informed unbiased posts go so quiet after you finished your workday. Working a little on the malpractice presentation?! HA HA HA, What a joker

  • Ignatius - 2012-03-13 20:36

    Robbed again? I disagree. In 80 min you cannot play rugby and now the ref "is die oorsaak" Eisch!!!!!

      Saffa - 2012-03-13 20:53

      @Ignatius Or in 11 years you can't play rugby?

      Johan - 2012-03-13 22:52

      "In 80 min you cannot play rugby" - but they still managed to score 3 tries to two? It was Morne who failed on the day, not the team!

      Bootman - 2012-03-13 23:00

      Last time I checked, Morne was part of the team. Did he then win the first two games and not the team.

      Bulldozer - 2012-03-14 05:30

      Wie noem sy laaitie Ignatius? Seriously?

      Pomene - 2012-03-14 06:49

      Morne is the team - if he does not keep things together they fall apart !!!

  • Bennie Kriek Mundell - 2012-03-13 20:42

    Proof of the sad state the reffing of Super Rugby is in! Even the boss gets it wrong! If a penalty is awarded after the hooter, the ball is stil 'in play', and the game may continue, however the game ends when the ball becomes dead through a knock-on, forward pass, going into touch, short arm penalty/free kick offence, or a try/conversion. In the Bulls match, the conversion was completed after the hooter, so the ball is now dead, and no further play may take place. Walsh was correct to make that call

      Chris - 2012-03-13 21:07

      The SANZAR referee boss has agreed that Walsh was wrong to not award the penalty ...... Walsh has agreed that he was wrong not to award the penalty. But NO!!!! Bennie Kriek Mundell has adjudicated that everyone but HE is wrong. Get a life Bennie.

      Frank - 2012-03-13 21:49

      Saffa - March 13, 2012 at 20:52 En as die Bulls nie sulke bottel-gooiende tappets vir ondersteuners gehad het nie, sou iemand dalk omgegee het vir al hulle gesanik!

      Werner Taljaard - 2012-03-14 10:02

      Bennie is Walsh se bitch... Plus, die penalty was toegeken toe die oortreeding begaan was, anders sou die geelkaart ook na die hooter gewees het, maar helaas...

  • Nico - 2012-03-13 21:37

    only one problem in all this, if the refs really get neutral and apply the same rules to all teams, the stormers and sharks is really going to struggle and maybe even lose their super status!

  • Paul - 2012-03-13 21:38

    What irritates me about this is that Welsh did not ask the TMO or the touches for advice. If he didnt know he could have damn asked!

  • Bootman - 2012-03-13 22:31

    The Bulls lost for one reason and one reason only..............they played k*k rugby. Now their supporters are coming with "ifs" and "buts". The Bulls struggled for most of the game to break the Blues defensive lines. What makes you idiots think that if they took a quick tap from halfway, they could've done it again? The one player in the Bulls team who was capable of doing it had just taken a heavy blow to the ribs. If you argue that Basson was okay and would've been capable of scoring another try, then maybe Ranger's tackle on him wasnt that bad. Come on you bottle tossing clutchplates. You lost. ACCEPT IT.

      Johan - 2012-03-13 22:59

      They played so "k*k" and they "struggled for most of the game to break the Blues defensive lines" that they scored 3 tries to 2? Really man, dont blame the team when the problem was Morne's kicking - on the day. Die Pink Bulle gaan nog julle gatte skop!

      Saffa - 2012-03-13 22:59

      @Bootman Bottomline is they were never given the chance to take the penalty, which clearly is unfair. I'm not saying they definitely would have scored, but they should have had the chance to try. Who knows what could have happened.

      Bulldozer - 2012-03-14 05:32

      Amen Johan.

      Werner Taljaard - 2012-03-14 07:55

      Remember the Habana try in the final? Things like that happens... Even when you are seemingly \outplayed\. Bad day for Steyn, but a good dominating performance for the rest.

  • Bulldozer - 2012-03-14 05:29

    Cowboys don't cry. We'll take this on the chin and move on.

  • Claude - 2012-03-14 05:42

    Steve Walsh how about and apology to the Bulls.

  • Michael Kleber - 2012-03-14 06:34

    I am no Bulls fan and have never done a referees course but all the years of watching rugby regardless of time a penalty is always given . was it not the bulls who were also denied a penalty against the Lions in the currie cup last season after time was called ?

  • Koos - 2012-03-14 06:49

    Thank you, but as a Bulls supporter we should take this loss on the chin we created more than enough chances and you can't win a game by playing decent ruggas only 10mins before the final whistle.

  • christrytsman - 2012-03-14 06:54

    Especially because there would have been only 14 Blues on the field

      Bootman - 2012-03-14 08:09

      Boohoohoo..............we wanna play against 14 men boohoohoo. We're not good enough to beat 15 men.

      Bulldozer - 2012-03-14 08:39

      He he nice Raven.

  • Learn - 2012-03-14 09:07

    This was the second game of the weekend where a ref made a wrong decision (as admited by sanzar) against an SA team that could have changed the result of the game. No need to speculate of what could have happened. The point is that if the correct decision was made they had a chance to change the outcome. The question remains was it a coincidence or on purpose!. It is easy to say at the end sorry i made a mistake made mistakes cost teams, players and SA money if they loose, eg if semi-finals are not played in SA and it might even cost either team a place in next years super rugby.

  • jacques.nortier1 - 2012-03-14 10:01

    Bray should not make statements like this which he can backup with his IRB law. Nowhere this is writen inm the IRB Law and therfore their should not have been a penalty.....get over it or change the law idiot Saffa if you what to make comments on Law first know your law before you make statements you look like a idiot if you don't please use the web for other than surfing pron and talking nonsense on blogs read IRG law book at or visit blogs that do know the laws like

      Werner Taljaard - 2012-03-14 10:16

      Not sure it is apt for you to call someone an idiot when you are struggling with the spell checker yourself... Much like calling 2 professional referees wrong when they have devoted their lives to interpretation of the law and all you do is sit and watch the Telly once in a while. They reviewed, and came clean. Period.

      jacques.nortier1 - 2012-03-15 21:29

      Always good to hear from people who should have been in politics for they can always turn the isseu around because they do not know what they talk about and that is just their were I agree with Nick Mallett in hi statement that the SA rugby supporters is the once that think they no it all but they don't

  • onemate - 2012-03-14 11:56

    what supporters boo thier own kicker before he kicks and then cheers him afterwards,that is not true supporters, and throwing bottles at players how wrong is that.

      Leon Reynders - 2012-03-14 23:16

      Really. You wanna go there. Says the person yelling at his own teams wing cause he knock the ball behind the try line and so on and so on. You critisize the bulls for moaning about their kicker when you swear at your players for constantly knocking the ball or not catching it. Yes. The twin that plays for the sharks. How many times have you sweared him. What makes your behaviour any better that what some bulls did on saturday. Nothing. So stop being so judgefull against some bull supporters and first stop doing the same thing before judging, moaning, complaining about other supporters. You are the ssme as them. The only thing is you havent realized it yet.

  • Andrew - 2012-03-14 14:47

    another South African team done in by the ref................... DSTV you are going to be the big losers.

  • onemate - 2012-03-14 15:56

    BlueRaven Just because i dont support the Springboks dosn't mean i boo them, you are a bull so what you know about rugby, you only watch the bulls play and no other teams, if you are that sort of person you have no right to put your 2 cents in,a real rugby supporter watches all the games and not just his team, I have the right to support any team I want and have never put my team down not even when we lose, thats the difference between a true supporter and a wanabe like yourself.

      Leon Reynders - 2012-03-14 23:05

      Snubbing a person just because he is a bull supporter and claiming he knowes nothing about rugby because of who he supports. Well done Len. I really didnt think you would turn into THAT shark supporter. I know you hate the bulls and their supporters. I never thought you would turn into the person that had an opinion and dont allow anyone else to have an opinion cause their not allowed to have on. You know who i am talking about and you are turning into him. You are better than this. You are not this bitter.

  • onemate - 2012-03-14 16:02

    blueraven Are you confused, in your FB pic you are wearing a stormers jersey and you are holding up a sgin that says i love the blue bulls,then again I dont think you are all there.

  • Norval - 2012-03-14 21:46

    what is SANZAR going to do about their refs? Through the rule book at them! Bryce was is old self and Bray even said the ref in the Cheetas game were wrong!!

  • chiepner - 2012-03-15 12:59

    Sorry, but even to the fact that old Steve Walsh might be the most baised ref (or atleast more than a handfull) that is currently blowing in the super rugby comp - the Bulls got no one else to blame for their loss exept themselves. Spies should start doing the hard grafting in the loose and should stop waiting in the full back position. Olivier should be dropped all together because running away from support into a gang tackle, getting turned over or pinned for holding seems to be the only thing he's good at (sorry that and not passing the ball) and Steyn should stop living in the past and start showing that hunger again to be the best no 10 in this country. Think Lambie actually looks like a better prospect at the moment cause the boy actually playes some sensible rugby. These are all senior well oiled pawns in the Bulls set up and still they make these silly stupid errors - if this carries on it might be better to replace the so called stars with youngsters willing to play for the team?

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