Is Bakkies Botha a bully?

2011-03-21 08:08

J.J. Harmse

Pretoria – Here we go again!

Bakkies Botha is facing another hearing for alleged foul play, the Stormers are unbeaten again early in the competition and the Bulls are again promising to fix the problems of the previous weekend “with hard work”.

Botha and Sanzar’s citing commissioners know one another so well by now that they should probably be on first-name terms, but that friendship was not enough to prevent one of the country’s most controversial rugby players from having to defend himself again early this week.

He is expected to appear in front of a disciplinary committee on Tuesday.

This time Botha has been cited for a tackle on Stormers scrumhalf Dewaldt Duvenage. It’s his third citing for a transgression against a player much smaller than him.

His previous two citings for alleged foul play against Gio Aplon (Stormers at Newlands) and Jimmy Cowan (Springboks against New Zealand at Eden Park) threatened to jeopardise his international career.

While the Duvenage incident does not look particularly serious, it’s significant that it is another citing against a player much smaller than him.

No foul play can be justified, but it may have been easier to stomach had it been aimed at a member of the Stormers’ pack, who bullied the Bulls on Saturday.

Foul play remains foul play, but Bulls supporters would have gained more value for their hard-earned money had Botha rather tried to dominate direct opponents such as Andries Bekker or Rynhardt Elstadt.

Unfortunately that did not happen, but Botha was not alone in his surrender to the Stormers pack.

The Bulls pack submitted like one man to the onslaught.

Captain Victor Matfield did his best afterwards to be honest about his team’s problems, but at the same time pulled the plaster off the gaping wound.

“We are a team that is traditionally good at the detail. Our execution was always our strength, but we’re no longer accurate. I know we can fix it and that is why Saturday’s match against the Lions is so important,” admitted Matfield.

“We simply have to put things right.”

The same thing was said after the defeat to the Highlanders and while Matfield assured Sport24 that there are no problems behind the scenes, the players’ actions contradict their captain’s statements.

Too many Bulls players appear to be involved with charity work, social networking, TV advertisements, spreading DVDs and books, writing columns, golf days and contractual negotiations to be able to keep their attention between the four lines.

Coach Frans Ludeke praised the Stormers afterwards for their commitment and attitude, acknowledging them as worthy winners.

The Bulls are touring in two weeks’ time and need to rediscover some form quickly.

Botha’s hearing, injuries to Gurthrö Steenkamp and Zane Kirchner, and too much mediocrity by senior players is threatening the Bulls’ status.


  • BardofAvon - 2011-03-21 08:15

    On the money, JJ.

      Thomas - 2011-03-22 00:53

      What the hell has Super or just rugby comming to? No rucking, put him down gently and now we want to turn it into a veterans game! Must the smaller guys were different colour pants so the big guys don't hurt them, just like in the golden oldies where age decides whether you are tackled or touched!!! Look at the England-Irish game where a player is bent almost in half and in most games where the fetcher is virtualy strangled by the guys clearing out! I want to know who cited Bakkies who made a legal tackle that was deemed to be dangerous and failed to cite Chilliboy for an illegal tackle that was dangerous!!!!!!!

      Shistirrer - 2011-03-22 10:11

      Thomas, did you even watch the game? Not only did Bakkies head-butt him out of the ruck, once he was out already, he grabbed him around the neck and flung him to the ground, nearly ripping his head off. When I saw the incident happen, I thought "oh-oh, there goes Bakkies with a red card", but surprisingly the ref did nothing.

      callan - 2011-03-22 10:37

      Must admit, watching the reply again this morning I didnt think it was as bad as made out to be. Shisterer, I think you are milking it a bit with terms like head-butt & ripping his head off...Earlier, one of the Stormers props thru Botha backwards out of a ruck by the neck...potentially more dangerous. Unfortunately, Bakkie's rep will continue to haunt him.

      Picasso - 2011-03-22 13:25

      Mm, I still remember the days when Uli played. None of todays softeys would survive one game!

      mike - 2011-03-22 13:30

      @Shits - you really should have watched the clip before you made an idiot out of yourself. Wow man you should write action movies with that imagination of yours. Maybe add some blood shooting from Dewald neck after his head gets ripped off by Bakkies and then have bakkies drop kick it over the polls lol. Made me laugh though so thanks for that bud.

  • The_Fox - 2011-03-21 08:28

    JJ, are you implying the Bulls have now dethroned the Stormers as SA's new poster boys?

      Oukoos - 2011-03-21 08:49

      Die dae van skouponies in die WP/Stormer spanne, is iets van die verlede.

  • Mumford - 2011-03-21 08:35

    Who cares what happens to Bakkie's, The Stormers silenced the lambs !

  • daspoort - 2011-03-21 08:38

    1) Ja ou JJ Harmse, when the bulls win, they are a great team with great players and play great rugby. And if they lose, the other team did not play great rugby, no, the bulls played poorly and that is the only reason they lost. 2) His previous two citings for alleged foul play.... and Jimmy Cowan (Springboks against New Zealand at Eden Park).." ALLEGED??? JJ, Bakkies headbutted Cowan with 20 different camera angles confirming this??How's that ALLEGED, JJ, please explain. You are truely a blue bull one-eyed pathetic idiot!!

      BardofAvon - 2011-03-21 08:49

      daspoort, it is alwys safer for a writer to use "alleged". Somewhat of a journalistic convention.

      daspoort - 2011-03-21 08:59

      BardofAvon, sure, if there has been no trial or evidence yet. But Bakkies was found guilty and suspended for weeks. There is no alleged there..

      FerretGee - 2011-03-21 09:57

      It's like saying Schabir Shaik is an "alleged" fraudster after being convicted of fraud in a court of law!!

      Azurite - 2011-03-21 10:24


      Andy49 - 2011-03-21 13:50

      @Azurite who, Daspoort, JJ or ice cream Bakkie?

      Blougroen - 2011-03-21 14:28

      Hey Daspoort - can you be cited for anything other than an allegation to be heard by a judicial panel - after which hearing the allegation may be confirmed or rejected ????

      Azurite - 2011-03-21 15:50

      @Andy49. Daspoort of course! His last phrase is junt plain childish.

      Andy49 - 2011-03-21 22:04

      @Azurite thanks

      Johnny - 2011-03-22 12:08

      ....stormers = pink pooofter palooookas...!!! .......ha ha ha ha ..!!!

      FritsM - 2011-03-23 03:36

      @ Johnny; bet you won't dare say that to their faces. dipshit

  • daspoort - 2011-03-21 08:40

    "Coach Frans Ludeke praised the Stormers afterwards for their commitment and attitude, acknowledging them as worthy winners. " JJ Harmse, why can't you do the same? Acknowledge the Stormers were better

  • SAFFA-CAT - 2011-03-21 08:43

    I don't like copying and pasting: but I am not retyping this comment so here goes: Humour me: Bakkies is a victim of South African rugby hype. You, me, and every other Bok supporter out there, must take our share of the responsibility. We adored Bakkies as an "enforcer" and we egged him on. We howl when it suits us, and we howl when it doesn't. Bakkies is a "heart on his sleeve" type of player, and sadly, was always destined for this. Which is why I for one am so delighted that Elstadt has "seemingly" managed the step up 2 the BIG TIME pretty well. (As a future 4 for SA). Anyone seeing the kid in age group level would have seen the similarities to Bakkies in terms of sheer aggro - yet would also have noticed the "finesse" and ability to combine said aggro with intelligent thought. A thinking,disciplined enforcer=Elstadt (and he can play on the flank..) The cruelty of ageing was obvious to all and sundry Saturday night, young buck vs "legend". And while I don't think Bakkies was over the top (rugby aint for sissies), I do think the frustration handicaps him. Flip van der Merwe sorry to say - is more of the same: an enforcer, not a "thinker". Bring on the new era of 'HARD AS NAILS LOCKS WITH BRAINS'....and look no further than Elstadt. Young Eben Etsebeth is another in this mould.....

      Oukoos - 2011-03-21 09:03

      Saffa, weet jy dalk of Eben familie van die berugte Etsebeth broers (Cliffie & Skattie) is? Indien wel, is hier 'n klipharde speler aan die ontwikkel

      daspoort - 2011-03-21 09:07

      Oukoos, hy is

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-03-21 09:11

      He is indeed :) The legendary Etsebeths have produced another :)

      Mumford - 2011-03-21 09:18

      Safa, i would just like to give myself and you a tap on the back and say well done.We Silenced the Lambs. Even though we should have scored 1 or 2 more tries we showed them how the game should be played.All those Spies supporters the ran down our loosies, Well hello Dolly!!!

      Varknek - 2011-03-21 09:19

      OUKOOS, ek dink eerder Bakkies is familie van Cliffie & Skattie

      Mumford - 2011-03-21 09:26

      I remember growing up listen to stories of the Legend Cliffie & Skattie.Am i right to say the one got shot whilst Debt collecting?

      Neville - 2011-03-21 11:50

      ENFORCER he is gettin OLD so is his Brains , Bakkies is just as DUMB as the two brothers playing for the Sharks

      mikegd - 2011-03-21 12:05

      Stick to copying and pasting of well written paragraphs by others that are not abusive. Your own reply (7th) below regarding the Poms who are the 6 Nations champions this year is uncalled for and rude.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-03-21 12:35

      @Mikegd - I wrote that copied and pasted PARAGRAPH - I just posted it on another thread and was not in the mood to retype it I copied and pasted my own work - capiche? If you like the Pom rugby team - good on you. I don't, so I may call them what I wish. Harden the f#rk up Mike. These forums aren't for sissies.

  • Oukoos - 2011-03-21 08:46

    Victor Matfield is 'n klipharde speler, maar kry dit reg om hard EN skoon te speel. Die vraag is: Hoekom kan Bakkies dit nie ook doen nie? Dalk omdat hy oor die muur is en nie meer jong turke soos Elstadt kan intimideer nie. Dit is pateies om een van SA se rugbylegendes so op die afdraand te sien. Dalk die regte tyd om nou stewels op te hang. En van Elstad gepraat, wie sal jy vandag in jou beginspan kies? Bakkies (31) of Elstadt (21)? As jy eerlik is, sal die antwoord Elstadt wees

      saliem - 2011-03-21 09:22

      Te vroeg om nog te se @Oukoos. Kom ons kyk of Elstadt homself teen die ander groot spanne gaan bewys. Hy lyk uiters belowend maar die werklike beproewing sal wees wanneer die Stormers op toer gaan. Bakkies is duidelik nie meer die speler wat hy was nie en dinge lyk maar wankelrig in die Bulls kamp. Net om 'n ander klip in die bos te gooi, was die vertoning van jong Pieter Louw, maar dit beteken nie hy is nou Bok materiaal nie.

      Gerhard - 2011-03-22 13:44

      Die bulle sit met die beste nommer 4 in die land - Van der Merwe - Harde speler maar nie 'n lafaard om kleintjies te boelie nie. Dit is reg Victor en dan ook Danie Rossouw, Flip van der Merwe en Pierre Spies speel hard maar probeer nie mense seermaak nie.

      Oukoos - 2011-03-22 15:04

      Gerard, ek laaik Flip van der Merwe. Die seun gaan dit nog ver bring

  • chrisd - 2011-03-21 08:51

    Bakkies has always been a bully. We need locks that can think and play rugby and not run onto the field just saying "wie kan ek nou moer"

  • gcr - 2011-03-21 08:59

    Bakkies is unfortunately just a thug, and can't help himself

  • Waarheid - 2011-03-21 09:18

    Jy kan dit maar verwag van die flou bulle.

      saliem - 2011-03-21 09:48

      Nee @Waarheid... hulle is tans die Vlou Nulle van Moftes... :P

      Azurite - 2011-03-21 10:26

      useless, baseless comment...

      Andy49 - 2011-03-21 13:57

      @Azurite which one?

      zottomike - 2011-03-21 22:51

      @ Andy49, Again your useless input. Go away little man, the big boys are playing here.

  • Iceman - 2011-03-21 09:19

    so rugby is becoming a bit of a ballet shame

  • muriel.farquharson - 2011-03-21 09:20

    Most definitely.

  • Robynsky - 2011-03-21 09:24

    I dont think the tackle warrants a siting or any other action, I am not a Bull and have been pointing out to everyone since the start of the season, that the bulls look very tired, their play pattern is pradictable and they seem to be unable to move up a gear. I have to be fair though and say from what I saw in regards this takle, it was completely within the laws of Rugby. End of story. Bakkies is now being victimised in my opinion.

      saliem - 2011-03-21 09:50

      "Pradictable" (sic) @Robynsky?

      Logoll - 2011-03-21 12:59

      I really can't understand how people such as yourself can defend Bakkies. What if he broke Duwenhage's neck there, it was a real possibility at least for a serious injury. When it comes to rugby I often ask myself what if that was my son. What if in next Saturday's school game someone about 40kg heavier than your son did that to him, would you still feel they are being victimised or would you be really upset and worried for the health of your son.

      kevs - 2011-03-21 13:41

      You kow ----"Bakkies and his sort" is one of the reasons I never played rugby. If u good..ur victimized..And tru he neva does it to players his size ????NEVA....HE IS A PROFESSIONAL BULLY. Maybe he must start a bullying training course business. Sure he will succeed...The problem also lies with SA rugby management...He should have been out of the game long time....

      ChumScrubber - 2011-03-21 21:05

      His head butt on Cowan was so obscene I doubt he'll ever be forgiven for it. Sometimes one reaps the seeds you sow, this seed was a tree, not just an annual weed. I do believe the man is a bully - he just comes accross that way, sorry.

      Picasso - 2011-03-22 13:29

      @kevs, or maybe you're just too soft, try netball.

  • KingSmurf - 2011-03-21 09:27

    Dit gaan nie oor of rugby nou 'n game vir sissies geword het nie, dit gaan oor Bakkies wat te vrek sleg is om sy eie size aantevat! Jy sal nooit sien dat Bakkies met een van die groter ouens moeilikheid soek nie, altyd die kleinste outjie oppie veld! En buitendien, rugby is nie boks nie en vuilspel moet uitgeroei word!!

      Durasmart - 2011-03-21 10:45

      Dis nie van groot of klein nie. Jy tackle die ou met die bal. Hy verdien nie om uitgelos te word net omdat hy kleiner as jy is nie.

  • KingSmurf - 2011-03-21 09:29

    Hulle moet sommer ook vir Fourie du Preez cite oor sy drama queen houding! Nie plek in rugby vir dit nie! Hy is erger as die sokker spelers!!

      jacques.esterhuizen - 2011-03-21 09:55

      Jy kon die desperaatheid in Fourie sien. Dink dit het gelei tot sy gedrag. Dit kan 'n scrum half baie ontstel as sy span nie saam hom werk nie.

  • Luckybugger - 2011-03-21 09:47

    I am a avid Bull supporter and yes Bakkies is a bully, had it been 20 years ago it would be accseptable, but now there is big money invoved in rugby, the risk of being injured is high as it is a contact sport, but should you be sidelined for a lenth of time due to injury through foul play the perpetrator should be punnished, foul play also affects your teammates and the team supporters, Bakkies also always seems to pick on guys half his size, I think he is passed his sell by date, sorry Bakkies but you cant behave don't get caught

      Neville - 2011-03-21 11:54

      Well Said

      Robschele - 2011-03-22 12:52

      Twenty years ago Chris Burger was killed with the same type of tackle. Grab the player around the neck and the fold him over. Unfortunately for Chris there was more players involved and his neck was broken. This type of tackle should be banished.

      Gerhard - 2011-03-22 13:50

      Van der merwe is in elk geval beter as Bakkies.

  • Wolff - 2011-03-21 09:52

    Well said JJ. I am a very worried Bulls supporter.

      Mumford - 2011-03-21 10:04

      I would be more then worried.You guys are player like a bunch of spoilt brats! To cool for the rest of S.A. 7th place must be pretty lonely

  • skywalker - 2011-03-21 09:55

    Bakkies is vuilgat blou bully boy...the record speaks for the hypocrite will probably pray in public to Jesus for forgiveness

  • Andrew - 2011-03-21 10:05

    Simply... little more discipline by Bakkies and the Bulls would help....they looked stupid on the field.

      Frederick - 2011-03-21 11:28

      Bakkies is always taking on smaller and mostly backline players, most of our other locks, loosies and front rows will give him a hiding, had he tried that with any of the forwards he would have been carried off the field on a stretcher. I for one have never liked him and have always considered him to be overrated and thought he was only in the team due to Matfield.

  • FerretGee - 2011-03-21 10:06

    First things firts, almos ALL of the players are smaller than Bakkies, hell at over two metres tall, find me anyone other than a lock that is taller. Having said that, I do thinl that Bakkies will always be targeted as a thug irrespective of how and who he tackles as his reuptation always precedes him on the park. Any tackle he makes on an opposition player is looked at through a magnifying class and any hint of aggression is seen as malice. I think the tackled player in this instance (Duvenage) should be called in to give his side of the story to see if he felt that he was targeted or whether there was any malice intended. The sad thing is, is that Botha's previous disciplinary record will always count against him and citing commissioners will always be watching him with a keener eye than any other player!

      saliem - 2011-03-21 11:11

      Why should Duvenage have to give up his precious time to give evidence? The evidence is on video bro... get over it :P

      FerretGee - 2011-03-21 14:03

      Saleim, clearly you missed the gist of my comment. I am not for one minute saying that Bakkies is innocent in gthis matter but rugby is a tough game played by tough blokes, You can usually tell when a tackle is made maliciously or just hard. Hence my comment. Either way, the citing commission will rule and if they are from Oz and New Zealand, expect at least a one game ban...

      Jacobie - 2011-03-22 08:52

      Ferret Gee. Schalk Burger went through a phase where he was the target of the refs, he cleaned his act and became a much better player, he is also getting to the end of his days as a great player. Bakkies,like many othher big players holds an intimidation factor and the smaller players are aware of any big guy. However, in Bakkies case all three cases took place as foul play, not a fair tackle, that is the problem here, if they where fair, good for him but with first two he went in with the head, the part of his body that can not be dammaged, and in the last one, he tried to break the players neck without having the ball.

  • Azurite - 2011-03-21 10:24

    oh whatever, if you are small you must be able to take the fall!!!!!

      Gerhard - 2011-03-22 13:53

      Soos Bakkies geval het toe Brock Harris hom gehelp het. Ha Ha hy kan nie eers teen kleiner stutte sy man staan nie.

  • Neville - 2011-03-21 11:45

    I wonder what Bakkies is praying for before a game Lord giv me strenght to hurt my opponents, what a waste ;

  • Anthony - 2011-03-21 11:54

    ....when you are larger than most other players on the field then everyone you tackle is going to be smaller.....Does this make you a bully???? huh

      Leon - 2011-03-21 13:24

      It's the way you go about it, moron. The intention to injure is clearly there. Can you honestly not see that? Really?

      Gerhard - 2011-03-22 13:56

      Ja, maar kyk wat gebeur as hulle so groot soos Brock Harris is. Dan vreet Bakkies van die grond af. Harris het nie eers moeite gedoen nie toe le die ou Boelie plat teen die grond.

  • kevs - 2011-03-21 12:03

    Think he's got a history of bullying. And I think it has to do with his childhood....Hard to break if U do not face the "flame of truth". YES HE IS A BULLY, AND HAS BULLIED HIS OWN SPRINGBOK TEAM MEMBERS BEFORE. HE NEEDS TO BE FINED A HEFTY FINE SO HE CAN LEARN...

  • StaalBurgher - 2011-03-21 12:11

    Bakkies is definitely being victimized. There is no rule against what he did. It looked horrible that tackle, almost like he was trying to snap his neck but there is no "rule" against what he did. Otherwise any hard tackle is against the rules as well. And the fact that numerous other clearly non-allowed actions by New Zealand players have been overlooked makes this citing even more ridiculous. All that said, the Bulls have lost focus. Matfield and du Preez are continually moaning and bitching on the field even from the first minutes of a game. Du Preez is continually waving his arms about the opposition slowing the ball down and the next second it becomes available. Even fair calls by the ref get remonstrations. They look like soccer players with the amount of arm-waving, head-shaking, muttering and general bitching going on. The Bulls team has an air of entitlement all of a sudden. Not very cool. Matfield should never ever captain the Boks again.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-03-21 12:43

      I agree with Matfield never captaining the Boks again. If he does, the refs will be ready for him. One can't help but feel for the players under his "command" in the Bulls setup. They rely heavily on the "calm, poised, thinking" Matfield of yester year, yet they are currently stuck with the "petulant, moody, seemingly aloof" Matfield of today. Not ideal, especially when a team is under serious pressure. You can actually SEE it on the players faces, Steggies when Victor went to have a talk with him, du Preez's look of disgust when Victor called for the scrum after Grant stuffed up the first kickoff (Fourie wanted to take a quickkkkk throw in), even Bakkies looked at Vic with a plank expression when the Bulls lineout was disrupted for the umpteenth time. I used to admire Victor as a captain, now I just admire his team mates for putting up with him.

      Logoll - 2011-03-21 13:05

      @StaalBurgher, it is covered under the dangerous tackle rules. It is as simple as that.

      StaalBurgher - 2011-03-21 14:16

      Well that just goes to show it is not uniformly applied. Lots of other players get away with similar things. In the Warathas game there were 2 occassions where their forwards launched themselves into the ruck area with little effort to bind onto a player. Shoddy application makes this victimization.

  • Grant - 2011-03-21 12:22

    Bakkies is HARD, and quite frankly, its the real reason behind most of his citings. Rugby is not for pansies. Yes, the head-but against Cowan was over the top (although that frustration stemmed directly from Cowan pulling him back IN FRONT OF THE REF'S NOSE without being penalised) Seriously - apart from the obvious cowan incident, almost all other citings have been utter rubbish! Remember Bakkies being suspended for 6 weeks for breaking a Pom's arm...just in entering a ruck text-book-style? If Bakkies was only cited for REAL transgressions, sure, there'd be a few in there (like with most physical players), but its all the bogus citings that have piled up on his name that now exaggerate every incident he is involved in. Its kinda like being breathylised 20 times in a month, and coming out clean. Then having an accident, and a judge coming down on you like a ton of bricks because "this is not the first incident". Its garbage, and I think that people need to wake up and see it for what it really is. He's a hard-man being victimised to "bring him down to average levels". They did the same to Butch James - any big tackle, legal or not, was cited until he STOPPED THE BIG TACKLES.

      kevs - 2011-03-21 12:46

      Grant - Where and how do you watch Rugby, think in a pub, after you are drunk ???? He nearly injured Gio Aplon - A Springbok - Or maybe he did not want him to become one ??? ???? Oh it did not happen..hey...Why???? I could just wonder ???? Maybe the same reason why you don't see his transgression???? Cmon....wake-up....Call a spade a spade ! ! !He needs to be fined a substantial amount of money- Hit him where it hurts....or his club for that matter...

      zottomike - 2011-03-22 00:43

      Grant I know a good eye specialist. Butch James only knew one way to tackle and that was high and dangerous. Bakkies is a thug and a liability to any team. Always good for a few penalties for the opposition. I suppose you are going to say the Du Plessis brothers are also the cleanest of clean rugby players. These guys are known and targeted and pushed to the limit by opposition to get them to retaliate and give away penalties. The guys need to keep their cool and let the ref sort things out. The days of sorting a player out is over.

  • Airwolf - 2011-03-21 12:29

    Most guys Bakkies takes on will be smaller than him

      Leon - 2011-03-21 13:34

      Crap Airwolf. There are many international players he's size and bigger. The coward just does'nt try messing with them.

  • arnold.graaff - 2011-03-21 12:39

    Rugby is a beautiful game, nicer than some of the street thugs who play it. Rugby does not need to be dragged through the mud by dumb thugs.

  • Venter - 2011-03-21 13:31

    Ag nee is JJ Harmse is regtig ernstig met die berig, wat 'n belaglike siening dat hy eerder groter spelers moet aanvat??? Die Bulls was swak maar Bakkies het volgens my die beste van die voorspelers van die Bulls gespeel. Toe hy met die bal gehardloop het het hy tog nie in die rondte gekyk om die klein spelertjies uit te kies om na te hardloop nie of het hy?? Miskien moet hy die klein outjies los en nie tackle, kom nou is dit regtig sy skuld dat hulle rugby speel??? Miskien moet hulle eerder groter skrumskakels kies né JJ Harmse, wat net so simpel siening is!!! Daar is ander lande wat sal wens om so harde speler soos hy in die span te hê!! Praat eerder oor Matfield wat Saterdag absoluut niks gedoen het nie nie eers lynstaanballe wou vat nie.

  • Tertius - 2011-03-21 13:38

    After giving him the benefit of the doubt in the past, I am convinced he is a sadist! Bully is too nice a term to describe his latest transgression...MRT

  • thatmanvan - 2011-03-21 15:50

    Are they asying if we field a small team we are more likely to get more penalties because the big boys are to big? Not much wrong in Bakies action on the sighted encounter, he was competing for the ball, did not come in from the side, did not shoulder charge, just beacause he can lift the man with one arm does not make him a monster

  • Braam - 2011-03-21 16:11

    Okay then - let's introduce the latest SANZAR rule: "No player weighing more than another player will be allowed to perform a tackle on the player weighing less - it will amount to bullying and breed a violent society". But then a new News24 journalist rule as well: "No journalist with a brain weighing less than that of the heavier rugby player implicated by the SANZAR rule above may write in our columns anymore - it will lead to a senseless waste of web space and breed a intellectually incapacitated society".

      Andy49 - 2011-03-21 22:09

      Childish comment.

      zottomike - 2011-03-22 00:48

      @Andy49. Are you stillarround little man? Is it not past your bed time? Shoo, weg is jy jou klien kak, gaan slaap laat die oomies gesels.

      DoktaPhill - 2011-03-22 10:40

      @ Zottomike. Another childish comment.

  • stoffel - 2011-03-21 16:14

    Of course Bakkies is a bully, thats why he plays for the bulls . . . . he usually picks on opponents half his size, except when they are in a ruck, lying helplessly on the ground, like the British Lions player whose shoulder he dislocated. Last year in the currie cup Bakkies was also cited for a blatantly dirty shoulder charge on Gio Aplon who was off his feet at a ruck. One can't help thinking that his team management and team mates encourage this behavior behind the scenes, otherwise he should not have been allowed to play the number of matches he has until now. This latest episode of foul play was fortunately not the cause of serious injury to Duwenhage, but it could so easily have been a career threatening injury, Bakkies should be banned before some innocent rugby player sustains a major injury from this thug.

  • Juggernaut - 2011-03-21 17:25

    JJ you are spot on. From now on the bigger guys must just leave those little pikkies alone completely. As they jog past on the way to the try line whistling happy tunes from childhood memories, give them a nice little pat on the head and ruffle their hair fondly. BTW Cowan committed a professional foul and that idiot Aplon stood at the ruck, bent over forwards and stuck his head in the way at the opposition. His head was away out in front of his body a deliberate act and he asked for it. If he cannot take the heat, get out of the kitchen. Go look at the videos as you have obviously forgotten.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-03-21 17:49

      Bakkies? Is that you?

  • Jacques - 2011-03-21 21:09

    No, but he guilty criminally assaulting players of the opposition. Hopefully he will land in jail for these offenses before he is mistakenly selected for the bokke and do the same and we end up with 14 players on the field in a deciding game. He should have been red carded for his head butting but hopefully he will be suspended for at least five weeks on Tuesday. We do not need idiots like him who seem to actually think he is a real bull. We will be better off without him. In his days, when he still understood that he was a human and not an animal, he was a good player. I do not like dirty players, get rid of him - the whole world have seen the videos of his head butting and the refs will be watching him at the R.W.C. So docket his pay for two months+ or so and let him go play bull-bull in some circus.

      Paul - 2011-03-22 11:21

      Lets play touch rugby ...softy .. bet you played netball !!!

  • Neilson - 2011-03-21 21:48

    "Is Bakkies Botha a bully?" is exactly the same question as "Is J.J. Harmse an Idiot?". Firstly, when a bigger man tackle a smaller man, do not make him a bully. It makes him a rugby player. Not to mention that there is not a single man on the field bigger than Bakkies, maybe heavier, not bigger. So does that mean he is a bully because he is big? Well this thinking could definitely be seen as an idiotic comment. So does this mean the writer is an idiot... Whatever way it goes, nothing wrong with the tackle, if you are small, like in teeny weeny small, like Dewaldt or Gio, take the punch or take the road.

      MonsterHOND - 2011-03-22 11:34

      Did you actually watch the incident - he grabs him round the neck, picks him up and slams him (still around the neck) that is not aggression but malicious intent...... nothing wrong with the tackle my ass..... if only it was a tackle but the rules are written outside Pretoria - so you would not know the difference.

  • stoffel - 2011-03-21 22:05

    Of course Bakkies is a bully, thats why he plays for the bulls . . . . he usually picks on opponents half his size, except when they are in a ruck, lying helplessly on the ground, like the British Lions player whose shoulder he dislocated. Last year in the currie cup Bakkies was also cited for a blatantly dirty shoulder charge on Gio Aplon who was off his feet at a ruck. One can't help thinking that his team management and team mates encourage this behavior behind the scenes, otherwise he should not have been allowed to play the number of matches he has until now. This latest episode of foul play was fortunately not the cause of serious injury to Duwenhage, but it could so easily have been a career threatening injury, Bakkies should be banned before some innocent rugby player sustains a major injury from this thug.

  • rugby_guru - 2011-03-22 07:38

    Can you blame him? He can't beat the stormers at rugby, so he had to use brutal force... tsk tsk tsk tsk.

      Paul - 2011-03-22 11:18

      some Guru you are ...Bulls have kicked Stomers butt so many times of late ...just go take a look at your teams trophy cabinet ... is empty ...LOSERS!!!

  • weyer.erik - 2011-03-22 08:49

    Rugby is becomming a Sissy sport, Bakkies agression brings a dimention to the game and team, what differnence is there between him and Bismark? oh yes he gets caught.

  • Dan - 2011-03-22 09:03

    There was nothing wrong with the Botha/Duvenhage incident. Just because a smaller player is involved , the chances are much greater for injuries - that's rugby and quite logic. This is becoming really pathetic now. What Botha did was quite normal compared to several other tackles and ruck clearings in any game. This is not right. I don't like dirty play at all, but give the man a break. This is not ballet.

      Johan - 2011-03-22 10:13

      Rugby is not becoming a sissie sport. If anything its more physical than ever. For this reason, more and harsher laws have been created to protect players, regardless of their size. Be really honest now, and im asking for true honestly. Look at the replay again. Did you see how bad it could have turned out. What if Bakkies's snaped Duvenhage's neck? There is nothing wrong with a small guy being tackled really hard... when its clean however. He meant to hurt him. Bakkies firstly came in form the side of the ruck, went for Duvenhage's neck, not the body and held on to it as they went down. How is there nothing wrong with this?

  • evereadydude - 2011-03-22 10:26

    Bakkies get frustrated when no one buys him a pink drink in the gay bar the night before the game! After his conviction today, he is going to come out of the closet!!

  • Paul - 2011-03-22 11:15

    @ JJ Harmse FOOL .. idiot ...sissy need a good klap bru !!!

  • turffies - 2011-03-22 11:45

    Bakkies is en sal nou maar eenmal 'n vuilg@t bly op 'n rugbyveld.

  • Pilgrim - 2011-03-22 12:36

    Now I know how my wife feels when she tells me " How many times must I tell you not to....??!!!"

  • Robschele - 2011-03-22 12:47

    Bakkies went in to injure Duvenhage. He didn't just take him out of the ruck. As he was foulding him double you can see the weight shift of Bakkies as he was trying to cause injury. I will be surprised if Bakkies play rugby again.

  • Big Easy - 2011-03-22 13:20

    JJ - I think you being a little naive if you think the incident Saturday "does not look that serious". Rugby nowdays is a lot tougher than in our day and the opportunity for serious injury more so. What needs to happen before there is a serious rethink! Broken back or neck or more serious like the loss of Chris Burger. Bakkies could have done serious damage to a man half his size and it wasnt even part of play really. As for Bakkies - He suffers from lack of brains to focus on the game and not the man. Like someone commented earlier, runs in the Du Plessis family as well, particulary Bismark! Problem with most of our naturally gifted players - Lack of brains!!

  • Viv - 2011-03-22 13:36

    Bakkies is bigger than most players! He is a monster of a man so there are very few players that are bigger than him. But yes Bakkies is a bully. He uses his size and strength to pummel the hell out of other players and is just a dirty player. Honestly am glad that he is buggering off after WC11. The French can have him. He is a nasty piece of work who in actual fact is a big fat liar. After his long 8 week suspension he was professing how he had changed and how God had helped him. Yeah changed so much. What does he go do - gets cited 4 weeks into the tournament. Honestly there are younger, fitter and less citeable players to fill the No 4. Yet again Bakkies you are a dissapointment to your team and to the SA public.

  • frikkie1 - 2011-03-22 13:43

    Jip, Thomas, I agree with your totaly with you. Rugby had become just like soccre, a bunch of "sissies". To every one that see Bakkies as a bully and the great enforser that he is, don't play rugby get out and ga take ballet classes. May be you will fit in perfectly, but just get of the rugby field. GO BAKKIES, TACKLE THERE ARSSES OF AND RIP THEM A PART. That rugby. Sissies and Pissies.

      Johan - 2011-03-22 14:43

      I play rugby, club level may it be, but still tough. I am 1.98m tall and weight 120kg. Have I ever taken out a small guy when there are other bigger one's around...Never! I go for the biggest piece of meat anywhere near a ruck or there abouts. Why hit a small guy? What's that proof ? He came around the side and hit the small guy. Huge guys right infront of him, and he goes for the scrummie. Who's the wimp?

  • dominique.dhotman - 2011-03-22 13:52

    Bakkies is a disgrace to SA rugby and there is absolutely no doubt that his tackle was calculated.

  • patrickb - 2011-03-22 13:54

    "not a game for sissies" bla bla bla bla........ I am so tired of all this "manly" crap that people write about. Rugby is a tough game, but it is not a game for Jesus hugging thugs. His arse should be kicked out for the rest of the season. The entire tackle was all about "ek gaan jou moer" and nothing else. Bakkies is a disgrace to this wonderful game.