Bekker out, Etzebeth may play

2012-04-16 09:04

Johannesburg - The lower back injury that prevented Andries Bekker from playing beyond the first few minutes of the crunch Vodacom Super Rugby clash with the Crusaders in Christchurch at the weekend will rule him out of the important match against the Reds in Brisbane on Friday.

However, the good news is that there doesn’t appear to be any panic coming from the Stormers management over Bekker’s long-term condition, and maybe what happened at the weekend should be a timely wake-up call to a coach who appears to have forgotten what he said at the start of the season, when he said that Bekker would be managed during the Super Rugby campaign.

There was talk back then of Bekker sitting out a few games as last year he was played into the ground and in the last two seasons has ended up missing the international season after playing almost non-stop through the Super Rugby season. But so far Bekker has started every game, something which can be understood as a reluctance on the part of Allister Coetzee to risk going without the massive impact Bekker’s experience has on the young Eben Etzebeth alongside him.

The highly promising Etzebeth left the field with an AC shoulder complaint not long after Bekker went off against the Crusaders, thus robbing the Stormers of an opportunity to see how Etzebeth would go without Bekker packing down alongside him in the second row.

The Stormers coach may get his chance to do that this week, however, as Coetzee has told the Cape media that Etzebeth could well be cleared to play against the Reds.

“Eben’s injury is not as bad as initially we may have thought. With Andries we are going to have to look at the situation and assess it during the week, but at this stage there is no thought of him going home,” said Coetzee.

However an SOS has been sent to the Western Province Vodacom Cup lock Quinn Roux, who is one of a host of young second row forwards coming through in the Cape. In fact, had it not been for the injury suffered by Roux that prevented him from starting the season, he may well have been a fixture in the Stormers team by now as the under-21 star was considered to be ahead of Etzebeth in the pecking order last year.

But while all the depth available to the Stormers in the position – De Kock Steenkamp did well as Bekker’s replacement and Rynhardt Elstadt, who moved from flank, is a lock – means it is premature to refer to a lock crisis for the Stormers, as Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer apparently did on Sunday, what could be a problem is experience.

And that is why Coetzee will be holding thumbs that Bekker’s condition is not too serious. Etzebeth can certainly take Bekker’s place at No 5 lock, for that is where he played most of his career before this season and the expert Stormers forward coach Matthew Proudfoot is working hard on getting him to be able to play both.

But with Schalk Burger out until the middle of May that has kept him from playing any role for the Stormers since his injury in the first game against the Hurricanes, Bekker’s leadership will be missed at a critical juncture of the season. Although the fact the Bulls have drawn level in the conference battle in terms of log points should not be seen as too much of a concern for now as the Bulls still have to travel and all the games they have won have been at altitude, the Stormers do need to get back on the bike against the Reds as a first defeat after a long sequence of wins can have a psychological impact.

The Reds have been ravaged by injury this year and didn't tour well but they are a different proposition in Brisbane, and like the Crusaders, who won 31-24 in Christchurch at the weekend, they beat the Stormers at Newlands last year.

Fortunately for the Stormers the injuries to their locks are their only major availability concerns that the moment, and both Gio Aplon (hip) and Nick Koster (head) are over the injuries that kept them from facing the Crusaders.


  • Lionel - 2012-04-16 09:11

    To lose your two locks in the first half and still come close to beating the Saders is an achievement on its own.......saying that the aimless kicking really irritated the cr@p out of me!!! After Habanas try we should have put them away...needless to say we still scored a bonus point...roll on the Reds game!!!!

      Lionel - 2012-04-16 09:24

      lol Jaco,kicking into the corners and chasing is one thing but kicking straight up field time after time,WTF.....anyway time to move on!!!

      Jason - 2012-04-16 09:27

      Morning chaps, I thought we looked really dangerous with ball in hand late in the game, makes you wonder if the coaches are trying to play safe! even though the Saders only scored one try, they did manage to break our defense a few times!

      Lionel - 2012-04-16 09:32

      Morning Jason,we did look dangerous and we should have put them away but Ja we didn't!!I also thought we lacked in the discipline department a bit,how were those two yellow cards,hahahaha!!!!

      Jason - 2012-04-16 09:39

      Those yellows were ridiculous! and i agree our discipline really let us down! But i dont take anything away from the Saders, they traveled and put up a good game!

      Jason - 2012-04-16 09:41

      On a different note what do you think of HM wanting Vic back, and to top it off there are rumors floating around that he might play for Lions or Sharks to prove fitness!!!! Silly indeed me thinks!

      Lionel - 2012-04-16 09:47

      @Jason,if HM wants to build for the 2015 WC,then Martfield should not feature at all,if we lose internationals before the WC so what,look at Clive Woodward,he built that England team from scratch,they lost a lot between WC but they won it in 2003!!Matfield should not go out like John Smit did.

      Saffa - 2012-04-16 10:18

      Good morning chaps :) Hope you all had a glorious weekend. Well done Bulls and Sharks. Stormers did us proud even in defeat, and their certainly wasn't any shame in a loss like that - Saders wanted it MORE and GOT it - deservedly. This morning however my concerns have ZERO to do with Superrugby and EVERYTHING to do with the Boks.......Folk, I'm not sure whether I should just keep quiet and watch the circus or vent? I know one thing, if all this 'boetie boetie blue sh#t' DOESN'T work out, Mr Meyer will see an almighty 'BLOU' out of epic proportions.... Victor will captain......and dear stars, I actually don't even want to know the rest at this stage...Meyer is showing EVERY youngster with dreams of playing for SA a MASSIVE f#ck you. Prepare to see a departure of talent end 2012 of the likes not seen before. Mr Meyer, at this stage, you seem to be acting cowardly - end of. Hardenthef#ckup man, and stop trying to protect yourself already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Jason - 2012-04-16 10:22

      Morning Saffa, you have such a way with words, it makes me all warm and fuzzy inside hahahahahahaha!

      Tokolos - 2012-04-16 10:22

      Awwwwww... So sweet you guys! GET A ROOM!

      Saffa - 2012-04-16 10:29

      @Tokkelos, I have a home.....and it has rooms - wow!!!!! Just because you live in an open plan hut, do not presume the rest of us have to get a room - we already be having it.

      Jason - 2012-04-16 10:35

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      Lance - 2012-04-16 10:45

      With all this cosy inter-provincial huddling I would like to add my marshmallow stick to this fire too... Uncle Vic cannot come back now, I think it shows major insecurity from a new coach..not good in terms of psyching out the competition. We could put a whole new team together with fitter stronger, equally talented players to Uncle Vic..Give him a coaching position at most else we will be might be seeing Etzebeth in a Brumbies jersey next season !

      Jason - 2012-04-16 10:49

      @Lance, @ruggaworld just tweeted @rugby365 Meyer "I will go with an experienced side against England" so we could be looking at Guthro, Botha, FDP, Jacque Fourie, Victor Matefield and Danie Rossouw??????? what does that say to the youngsters?? "hey i can go overseas, earn big bucks and still get chosen for the Boks"

      Tokolos - 2012-04-16 10:57

      Jason Crossed Eyes "The art of deliberately, cleverly, and secretly pissing people off, usually via the internet, using dialogue" Thanks for pointing that one out. Tokolos didn't even have to read further... Tokolos is BRILLIANT!!!

      Lance - 2012-04-16 11:14

      @ Jason: if he brings back the"Seniors" and we kick Englands butt it wont mean much as they will all filter off to their clubs and couches after June and we as a nation wont really know how good our new Bok's really are. I dont think a once-off performance from the old boys is what SA needs..If they have to be called up...give them each 15 minutes to shine at the end so that we can see them shine against a tired opposition. That way Meyer gets his way and our "Seniors" go home with their pride intact. Having the "Seniors" play one more time for the Bokke will insure a jampacked stadium Im sure...

      Lance - 2012-04-16 16:10

      @ Blue..I hope so Blue whether the Boks are all Bulls or not. It just makes me nervous knowing that he is going to have an "old boys club gathering" in June with the hope of winnin. Just today we saw how Hargreaves is off to Saracens(not the end of the world). As long as the Bok selectors are offering all the younger guys words of assurance regarding their Bok futures all should be well..

      Saffa - 2012-04-16 16:36

      Well, the only way the Boks will win the WC again is if we make al die Bulle Bokke. Our flagship, cup winning franchise should be the majority of the Bok team. Heineke with his 4 Bulls buddies, Victor captain, excellent start!! We don't want any players of a 16yr cupless franchise in the Bok team

  • Johan - 2012-04-16 09:32

    met schalk en bekker se beserings speel stormers sonder hulle beste senters. Gelukkig het brock h, en van die drietal senters, saterdag gespeel en daarom het hulle verloor!

  • Paul - 2012-04-16 09:39

    Beker gets to many injury's won't make the bok team this year ! That's why I say it's good to get matfield back !

      Jason - 2012-04-16 09:45

      Matefield??? seriously??? the guy hasnt played in 6 months! Thats a slap in the face to all the other locks in the country who have been busting their balls during the Super 15 week in and week out! Not to mention a slap in the face of all the Captains around the country! HM effectively saying, I dont have faith in you!

      Lionel - 2012-04-16 09:55

      Well said Jason!!!!

      Saffa - 2012-04-16 10:21

      @Jason and Lionel, I think we can expect the Bok team to look something like this: Jaco vd Westhuysen (cheerleader and moral compass), Pierre Spies (assistant moral compass and brand ambassador), Basson, Ndugane, Meisie, Sadie, Steyn, du Preez, B Botha, V Matfield, Greyling, Kruger and Ralapele. Bench options will be made up of a mixture of the following(pick who you wish): Kirchner, Derek Hougaard (if fit), F Hougaard, JP Nel, Anton Leonard etc and then a token player from each other franchise. As is now becoming increasingly evident, players from the Sharks, Cheetahs, Stormers and Lions will hence forth be known as 'quota' players - and Meyer will have to include 1 player per franchise in his squad to appease SARU and fans.

      Saffa - 2012-04-16 10:40

      @Raven - remind us what happened when all the 'Bulls were made Boks' last year for the Tri Nations away leg.........I seem to forget?

      AdamdeSwardt - 2012-04-16 11:22

      @BlueRaven Haha it's so funny, the Bulls lost to a quota team....

      Saffa - 2012-04-16 16:38

      @fake Saffa The team you referring to has won the Super cup 3 times in the last 5yr. So I agree, that should be our Bok team Jason, get on the treadmill, we don't want to listen to all 12 your chins speaking

  • Haha - 2012-04-16 09:39

    Selfish Stormer coach, only thinking of his Stormer team and not of the bigger picture which is the Bokke.

      Saffa - 2012-04-16 10:22

      There is NO Bokke mate. Just an elevated Blue Bulls team.

      Saffa - 2012-04-16 10:37

      Sorry Raven, the mans actions thus far have FAR MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE rugby people than ME shaking their heads and wondering........(if the boot was on the other foot, you would be swinging from the rafters)

      Lionel - 2012-04-16 10:41

      Well Raven,the way things are looking it is possible,he got 90% of there coaching staff already!!!

      Lance - 2012-04-16 10:55

      Judging by the amount of Bulls and past Bulls he is pulling in...he probably wont be picking the best men for the job and dont get me wrong I think a wholesome amount of Bulls deserve to be in the Bok team..Vermeulen will again lose to Spies(hopefully Vermeulen on the bench atleast). If Kirchner beats Joe to the 15 spot I will be tuning my tv to Bowls.. I see the Boks being 75% Bulls at the very least, Meyer seems way too nostalgic...

      Jason - 2012-04-16 10:55

      @Raven, take the Blue away from the front of your name for a second and answer me this. Do you really think Vic, who hasn't played for 6 months has lost a lot of conditioning, is the Best available Capt for the BOKS? Do you really think Vic, with only two months to get ready for intl rugby, will be better than Juandre, or eben or Elstadt or Bekker?

      Press - 2012-04-16 10:58

      @Saffa2 - are you referring to Heyneke's actions so far to try and procure Nienaber as defensive coach for the Boks - are are you spreading manure of a more general nature ?

      Lionel - 2012-04-16 11:03

      What experience has Ricardo Laubscher got????

      René - 2012-04-16 11:13

      @Jason, in case Raven cannot answer, I will. YES, Vic can be fit in 2 months time - guaranteed. Previous comments regarding Bekker who was OFF for 8 months, prep time little over a month and Bekker has been playing Super rugby. Victor has not been sitting on his couch all day long doing nothing, he has been cycling, jogging & doing regular exercise since he stopped playing rugby. Besides his last game was in November, only 4 months ago. You guys make too much of a fuss of this whole thing. HM has said it is a SHORT TERM solution only. HM has one thing in mind and that is winning. The youngster, who we ALL want to see in Green & Gold will most definitely get their time to shine.

      Stormkaap - 2012-04-16 11:39

      Actually cant believe that some of you okes believe that a short term captain is a solution. That is a short sighted solution. WE HAVE FOUR YEARS TO THE WORLD CUP.. It is time to mould the team. Their is enough talent around for that. What would be the point to bring back FDP or Matfield other than what Heynecke said about the appointemnt of coaching staff to surround him with people he trusts. In effect he then says he doenst trust the players he selects to face England! Wow... If I were Hougie, i would be quite pissed having to play second fiddle @ the WC and now again! Not my idea of instilling confidence in a player/s. Raven your argument re experienced captain doenst hold water. Burger, JDV and Bekker to a leeser degree proves that. Chilli has led a team before so that wouldnt be new to him. Matfield has been captain for his franchise but a few games as a Bok stand in. So its a question of six of one etc. No guarentee that matfield will be the force he was since his showing at the WC was average

      Nick - 2012-04-16 14:11

      raven ....whahahahah if he wants an experienced captain get smit atleast he is still playing some form of rugby all bulls coaching team retired lock as captain what a joke if he wants short term then should be de villiers. how long is his short term only england games, tri nations ,year end tour ,next year tri nations or untill he gets fired......

  • John - 2012-04-16 10:04

    Sorry Gavin I beg to differ. Bekker has played 6 games. This is hardly playing him into the ground. Prior to that he was out of rugby for (not sure) 8 months. The fact is Bekker is becoming a liability & perhaps his back & other body parts are just not made for the rigors of this game. The Crusaders game was certainly not the game to rest him nor would the Reds game have been right. Thereafter would have been ideal. Bekker needs to man up like the rest of his team mates have too!

  • Riaan - 2012-04-16 10:09

    Bekker is a class lock. Saying he has only played 6 games which is not exactly being played into the ground is ridiculous. He returned from a long lay-off due to injury and this should have been considered. Returning from injury should be monitored and managed appropriately

      Anton - 2012-04-16 10:15

      maybe he should go and have a rest on a park bench.

      Jeffrey - 2012-04-16 10:28

      Exactly Crapdetector, players coming back after a long injury layoff need to be "managed" very conservatively. Too many players rushing back from injury come to regret it in the long run.

  • JoffeyCampino - 2012-04-16 10:12

    I have perhaps all the right to be lambasted by the Stormers supporters but in a way The Crusaders may have found a blueprint to beat the Stormers at their own game, the Stormers play a very flat defense and when you do that everyone must be in line, shoot up too fast and you're offsides, The Stormers do tend to give away a huge amount of penalties in their own half. The Crusaders never aimed to run through the defense off the Stormers, if you look at the amount of times Fruean attacked. Dagg, Maitland and Guildford clearly stuck to a gameplan by kicking the ball back and not counter attacking, the fast rotation of the ball to keep the Stormers from getting back to their defense pattern. Taylor was on form and after you start conceding penalties in your own half the score will start to tally up. Might see the same from Reds this weekend, and that I've said to watch the Stormers line of defense for not going offsides (linesman decisions for the game against the 'Saders)

      Jeffrey - 2012-04-16 10:26

      Almost all the Superrugby sides backs are offside almost all of the time. It's time the "assistant referees" paid more attention to it, as the ref has his back to the backlines creeping up. Having said that the Stormers do seem to give away a fair amount of really stupid penalties, their discipline needs work, and JdV must play his part as captain and give them hell for it.

      Jason - 2012-04-16 10:28

      You are mostly right, Stormers were pinged for offside during defense and the Saders recycled quickly! We also lacked the ability to change the game plan slightly when needed. Im sure the boys will do better against the reds!

      Jc - 2012-04-16 14:47

      Fair comment, only problem on Saturday was that only the Stormers got penalized for offside where both teams were equally guilty. Not to even mention entering rucks from the side!

  • Tokolos - 2012-04-16 10:18

    Well, well, well. Tokolos see all you wound licking, sulking cousins are back online hey! (Isak, Lionel, Crossed Eye, Vintage & Co.) How was the remainder of your miserable weekend chokers? Pretty dull I suppose. Well, prepare for another one. The Reds are going to eat you ALIVE! Go Reds!!!

      Saffa - 2012-04-16 10:27

      Not concerned with Super rugby at the moment Tokkie. (although I must remind you we are still No 1 on the conference.....sigh, and I must ask you when last the Bulls defeated the Saders in NZ - please remind us?) My current worry is the Boks........all these announcements and the sort have left me feeling rather sick.

      Lionel - 2012-04-16 10:40

      Tokkie,remind us all what was the score last year when the Bulls played the Saders in NZ????Wait,let me help you,27-0,Bulls got zero,niks points!!!!

      Anton - 2012-04-16 10:46

      Saffa what is your cocern, now all of a sudden your worry is about the Boks? Heyneke is busy recruiting a lot of strong people around him. If i remember he also asked AC but he was to busy or to arrogant to be part of the Bok team

      Tokolos - 2012-04-16 10:47

      Let me give you my 2 cents Saffa Cat and this is without a joke ok. Hear me out. I don't think that we have to worry too much regarding Heyneke and his plans now. You must remember. He is a coach with a lot of pride. He want to win no matter what. This is his first test series in charge and I can promise you that he will want to win at any cost. He is not that stupid to make neither Victor or Fourie part of his long term plans except in a motivational or maybe advisory role. He has a ton of new, young, raw talent. If he has to choose a Bok team now from available talent how many test caps is amongst them. I personally don't think that he will play Matfield or Fourie to be honest. He is not that stupid. Why don't we all wait until a team is announced for the first test and then crucify him if need be. Then you have all the right to do it as a supporter. For the coaching staff.... I understand where you guys are coming from. He must have put a lot of thought into this because he knew of the criticism that would go against a decision like that to pick these guys. Not only does he draw criticism onto himself with this but it is seriously going to affect the Bulls. There must be method behind his madness and I can assure you it took a lot of convincing and motivation with SARU as there is a ton of money involved as well. I am sure he must have a good explanation for selecting these people and he obviously convinced SARU accordingly. Give the chap a chance please!

      Anton - 2012-04-16 11:00

      @ Facts go and sleep peacefully my friend, he is not stupid like some other coaches around. He will use Fourie and Matfield just to ease yonger guys in. Imagine we must takeon the Pommies with 2 locks with no experiance

      Lionel - 2012-04-16 11:05

      @Raven,why would he want the assistant job when has already has a WC medal???

      Jason - 2012-04-16 11:14

      @Tokolos im going to reply to your comment because its rugby related. I have no doubt that HM is a good coach, I can even understand him picking BB assistants because he knows them well. What my concern is, is what message is he sending to all these youngsters putting their bodies on the line week in and week out if he picks Vic and Co. And what does it say to Capt like Strauss, and JDV and Pierre Spies! Look at the moment its all rumors and only time will tell. But i think if he goes that route then he is missing a fantastic opportunity to start a new era in Bok rugby!

      Neutedop - 2012-04-16 11:15

      Tokolos - as a Stormer supporter HATING your comments, I must agree with the HM post. Look, reality is that there must be a coach of colour in the top 3 coaches (head/back and forward). There is no other coach of colour I can think of. I spoke to a person that coach another union, and he said the fitness coach of the Bulls is next level - and this guy was involved with a few unions. So I will give him a fair chance. All these guys that make a noise about this, can never answer the question of who they would have preferred. Gert Smal and Nick Mallet did not want the job, as well as Allistar. So who was their candidate? As a Springbok supporter, we have to give this guy a chance....even though we will never all agree on a Bok team. PS - who will be your flyhalve

      Saffa - 2012-04-16 12:09

      Good post Tokkelos. (Jokes aside...). My main issue is: Heyneke made certain noises about selecting his captain on form - and ONLY selecting the best team to play at ALL times. Bringing someone OUT of retirement to captain an international team goes against everything he has stated thus far.......If he is already backpeddling on his earlier statements, surely I am entitled to be a little concerned? I am happy to give the man a chance (because contrary to what many of you think - I DO respect him as a rugby 'kenner' and coach) but then it's possibly about time that HE started giving a few public statements about WHAT he really plans and wants - because all this sepculation is already making him seem 'weak' and putting him in a position where MANY folk are already 'confused' by his utterings and actions.

      Tokolos - 2012-04-16 13:41

      OK.... Never thought I would say this but here goes! Tokolos "solemnly" pledge to post more articles that makes rugby sense ok (hiehiehie). There will be no personal attacks on bloggers anymore. I will give it to you guys all in good spirit if you lose just like you give it to us. Today I am the new Tokolos. (Crap I cannot believe I said that) Anyway. Like all coaches when they start out... None of us are really happy until the scoreboard convince us otherwise. Meyer is not a fool and in two months time we will all be singing his praises I promise you guys. I don't think he will be that stupid not to discuss his plans with the younger players and involve them as well, hence the 3 different training sessions in SA. He is accommodating everyone there. If you look at the names in the first session in Johannesburg in a sort while there are guys there that are all young and 90% of them will not see a Bok team this year most probably. The core of the team will come from Bulls and Stormers with a few from the other franchises. Heyneke will not just discard young up and coming players. He is not that stupid. The man is excellent when it comes to team management, coaching and especially longer term planning. Look what he has accomplished at the Bulls when he was coach there. I think that he will utilize Victor and FdP in a different capacity than playing.I think Vic has a lot of respect from all players in SA and will only motivate guys to better heights. Watch this space!

      Jason - 2012-04-16 13:49

      @Tokolos glad you crossed over to the Rugby side! How about this for an idea, Vic has been working with the Bulls on the side as a line out adviser, now that the Bulls have lost 4 of their coaches it would be a perfect opportunity for Vic to start a coaching career????? if thats what he wants to do! Where one door closes another opens!

      Saffa - 2012-04-16 14:12

      Well, all I hope is that Heyneke himself steps up to the microphone and makes a few statements to appease the rugby public. I don't mind his coaching staff, his assistants, his management team etc - he has the right to select those he feels comfy with - but this Matfield talk...........THAT is where my reservations lie, and where my rants come from. If the man would just calm the media storm and say something - ANYTHING (Meyer that is) - perhaps we could all understand his planning and reasoning a little better? At this stage, he is making the punters nervous, and I honestly don't want a National Coach who does that - again...

      Saffa - 2012-04-16 16:41

      @fake Saffa When last have the Stormers won the Super cup?

  • Facts - 2012-04-16 10:50

    @ Saffa. I couldn't agree more with you on your comments about Mr Meyer. I am worried and also VERY worried about his approach to his new job. I said it before and say it again that history is about to repeat itself as when PDV took over from Jake. I really feel for the young and talented players in SA, doesn't matter from which province they come from. I just hope that News24 is pulling Meyer's comments out of proportion and that 80% of the articles are a lot of bulls^&t. It will be tough to watch the Springboks with a whole lot of has-beens as in the last world cup.

  • Heinrich - 2012-04-16 11:22

    Who is "Meisie?"

      Anton - 2012-04-16 11:51

      bekker se girl op die bankie

      stoute.babuseng - 2012-04-16 11:56

      Wynand Olivier i think

      Anton - 2012-04-16 12:07

      Why would u think so.Give your reasons for your comments

      Heinrich - 2012-04-16 12:22

      Lol's @ Wynand Olivier. Three blonds are sitting in a hair salon. Which of the three knows the least about rugby - Wynand Olivier.

      Jason - 2012-04-16 12:28

      Wynand Olivier is Meisiekind!

      Jason - 2012-04-16 12:38

      LOL i have no problem saying it to his face! but at 37 im sure if Gio Aplon tackled me i would be in hospital!

      Anton - 2012-04-16 12:38

      @ Heinrich and Jason as hy meisie is dan is julle seker n knie - halwe meter onder n d@&s

      Anton - 2012-04-16 12:48

      Jason so bly om te hooer jy sal dit in sy gesig se. Kom vertel ons waar is jy, indien in Pretoria kan ek dit vinnig reel dat jy hom ontmoet met die media daar. Sal nogal fun wees, want Wynand is nogal n goeie sport

      Anton - 2012-04-16 12:51

      Well said Raven

      Anton - 2012-04-16 12:54

      @Jason why all of a sudden the age thing now. Seems you like to hide behind your computer keyboard

      Saffa - 2012-04-16 13:06

      Does Jason sound like someone who stays in Pretoria @Anton? Serious question.......

      Heinrich - 2012-04-16 13:12

      Ag toe nou Anton. Moenie so aggro wees nie. Wynand en my meisiekind speel elke week saam pop. Hy hou van Oros en Ice Zoo koekies en sê vir my Oom. Anders as jy het hy n sin vir humor :)

      Jason - 2012-04-16 13:55

      Wow Anton seriously!! I certainly dont hide behind my computer. Face is here for everyone to see! Heinrich asked the question and I answered it. i happen to be English so I don't refer to WO as meisiekind! I have always rated him as a provincial centre but never an Intl centre and I stick to that! The age thing was a joke, I am not a professional rugby player that spends all week getting strong in a gym, so im sure i would definitely feel it if one of these young lads tackled me like they meant it.

      Saffa - 2012-04-16 13:58

      @Raven - lol - if you are still taking some of my comments seriously...I'm not sure what more I can do to assist you in splitting the cr@ptalk from the truetalk :)

      Nick - 2012-04-16 14:21

      raventjie you can stop giggling over little meisiekind

      Saffa - 2012-04-16 16:42

      @Jason Don't worry, Gio won't be able to tackle you, impossible to get through all 12 your chins

  • Eugene - 2012-04-16 15:58

    Anton jys dan die ou sonder n profile foto nou se jy Jason kruip agter sy keyboard weg......haal die balk uit jou eie oog outjie

      Anton - 2012-04-16 16:23

      Nie geweet jou gesig is die stormers logo nie, as dit ek was ek ek gegaan vir n face transplant

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