Baby Boks may disrupt S15

2012-05-28 12:00

Cape Town - There is some confusion among local Super Rugby coaches over where they stand with regards to players who have been selected for the national Under-20 squad about to contest the Junior World Cup in Stellenbosch and Bellville which starts next week.

According to the SuperSport website, Stormers coach Allister Coetzee says he hopes common sense will prevail in the case of the man he could lose for the all-important Super Rugby clash with the Bulls at Loftus, prop Steven Kitshoff. And Sharks coach John Plumtree, while happy to let lock Pieter-Steph du Toit hook up with the Baby Boks, says he will not release Paul Jordaan as he needs him for the match against the Lions in Johannesburg.

“What is more important and what takes priority - is it Super Rugby or is it the national age-group team?” asked Plumtree when the question was put to him.

“We are releasing Pieter-Steph, so I think we are meeting them halfway on that so I don’t anticipate any problems. Paul is playing well for us and we need him for the match against the Lions. I think if you asked the players which games they would want to play I think they would say Super Rugby. It’s where the money is and we pay their salaries.”

Plumtree, like Coetzee, pointed out that the players would be free to join up with the national side immediately after Saturday’s games, and they don’t need to be involved immediately in the JWC challenge as the South African side has a relatively uncomplicated start to the competition.

“I had a meeting with Rassie Erasmus (in his capacity as SARU Performance Director) and Dawie Theron (Baby Bok coach) when we got back from tour four weeks ago and at the time the message we got was that they would make every effort to accommodate us by managing Steven effectively and managing the situation,” said Coetzee.

“There is a chance we will lose Steven for the match against the Bulls, but we are hoping not because he is an important player in our team and this is a heck of an important game for us. I think common sense should dictate. If you asked the players which games they would want to play, I am pretty sure I know how they would answer. Steven has played every game for us and he will want to play against the Bulls because it is such a massive game.”

Coetzee said that he hoped the under-20 management would comply with his request to use Kitshoff sparingly during the tournament, resting him in games where the Baby Boks were certain to win.

“He has had a tough Super Rugby season and there are some tough games still to come in June. It isn’t going to help us or him if he ends up playing a whole lot of matches in quick succession, which happens in age-group tournaments.”

Coetzee said a decision had been made by SARU earlier this year that the national age-group team would take preference over Super Rugby, a departure from what was the case in the past.

If that is the case, it really doesn’t make any sense as a player learns far more playing Super Rugby than playing age-group rugby.


  • louis.langenhoven - 2012-05-28 12:24

    surely Baby Boks should get preference...would you rather play in a springbok or a sharks jersey?

      René - 2012-05-28 12:44

      @Louis, exactly, playing for your country or playing for your province? No brainer

      Jako - 2012-05-28 12:46

      what a moron. would you play in front of 30 000 people in a sharks jersey, or your mom and dad in a baby bok jersey?

      Pierre - 2012-05-28 12:47

      Jako, never wanna play in a Sharks jersey....

      Jako - 2012-05-28 12:54

      never will

      John - 2012-05-28 13:33

      I think we are missing the point. Both coaches (who are most affected) say if it was the players choice they would play S15. I'm pretty sure they would not be making this statement if they were not sure of their facts. Besides all Coetzee is asking is that Kitsoff joins the junior squad after Saturday and thereafter gets managed properly.

      benlloyd.roth - 2012-05-28 16:11

      Louis, Baby Boks is an honour but playing Super15 is a faster and surer way to make it to the Boks team. I agree, to a point with Jako, Super rugby will much better prepare a player to make it big than a junior tournament. yes, its always an honour to play for your country but at this stage of his career by playing in a junoir tournament he might open the door for someone else and close it on himself.

      jwdupreez - 2012-05-31 07:26

      ......and what about the influence of the "paycheck"

  • Stormkaap - 2012-05-28 12:26

    So we loose Kitshoff, paid money for Deon and he hasnt played for the Stormers.. now we will have to wait for BJ Botha to come and retire here!!! LOL

  • marthunis.britz - 2012-05-28 12:28

    Plumtree is a selfish coach! No provincial team is more important than a national squad!! Allow them all to play at national level, they will get a lot of experience and learn things they will not learn playing in the Super Rugby All teams have enough dept to release players Let us start building the Nation even on junior level to win a world cup is crucial for us, do not let the provincial teams greed take our opportunity to field the best we have in every game, we need momentum from day one in a competition like this. Meeting the national team half way is not good enough Plumtree meet them all the way, but clearly you think your team is more important than the Springboks and for that I hope you are replaced by the KINGS or a team that put SA rugby first. What do you think would be better for a player, taking part in a world cup or taking part in a Super match?

      Jako - 2012-05-28 12:47

      hy sit nie die sharks voor die bokke nie, jou blksmse moroon. DIT IS NIE DIE BOKKE NIE.

      Jako - 2012-05-28 12:52

      would you rather play cricket for WP or Hockey for South Africa? - 2012-05-28 12:53

      Why the emotion? Or is provincialism getting in the way Plumtree is not the only coach wrestling with this. We are not sure whether the other franchises with Baby Boks in their S15 1st side are relasing them. The sacrifice in realsing someone on the bench vs the starting lineup mis different. It's not easy for anyone a) The franchise pay the players b) The franchise coaches are rewarded on how well they do If we want better co-operation then we need to change contract structures In some countries the Unions pay the base pay and the franchises top up. Hat way unions have 1st dig. Apart from that there are rules governing this. There are international windows when franchises have to release players

      Shaun - 2012-05-28 13:18

      The Junior World Cup is every year.

  • thefantasyrugbyscout - 2012-05-28 12:43

    Come on John, the Sharks hardly need Jordaan for the Lions, if anyone should be complaining it should be Coetzee

      Jako - 2012-05-28 12:53

      The stormers will be lucky to get within 15 points of the bulls. Regardless of who plays. go sharks!

  • kerneels.statoe - 2012-05-28 13:04

    i also agree with you guys if you get the chance to play rugby in your country's national colours why not grabbing it that is the only thing to do and coetsee moan kitshoff must not play certain games at the boks coz he played all the games at wp what is realy important coetzee and plumtree are plain just selfish saru made a decision and they must stuck to it

      Neutedop - 2012-05-28 13:31

      Kerneels - a under 20 tournament is 5+ games in two weeks. Coetzee is not complaining - just no use to let a player that have played intense rugby all season, play against Russia or Japan. Read the article before you make dumb comments. WP is the one to pay his salary - so yes, he played all the games for them!

      Rian - 2012-05-28 13:56

      Surely S15 cannot be compared to Junior Rugby? Hence the problem in the decision. SARU oversees S15 and Junior WC. Their decision must be followed regardless. To play for your country in the Danie Craven Stadion against Romania vs taking on the Bulls or Lions at Loftus or Kingspark...and then resting one game to then play Aus, Eng or NZ in the Junior WC. Modern Compromise seems to be in order, but what does the players want to do? Does anyone actually care?

  • Coetzee Swanepoel - 2012-05-28 15:12

    Keep them away from Baby Boks! Hunting ground for overseas teams! Identify young potential and contract them before the rest of the world grab them.

  • kobus.muller - 2012-05-28 22:43

    The premier age grade event for international teams at Under 20 level, which runs from June 4-22 in Stellenbosch and Cape Town, will be screened live or as live to more than 240 million homes in 162 territories by 17 leading broadcasters, a 14 per cent rise in coverage from last year. The cumulative total of live coverage for the three-week tournament is projected to exceed 300 hours for the first time. The IRB Junior World Championship 2012 Host Broadcaster SuperSport will produce live coverage of all 30 matches, the first time the whole tournament has been broadcast.

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