Deans: Bulls made a mistake

2010-05-19 22:39

Pieter Jordaan

Johannesburg – “The Bulls made a mistake by resting their top players on Saturday.”

That is one of the reasons why Wallaby coach Robbie Deans, who won five Super rugby titles as coach of the Crusaders, believes the New Zealand side will beat the champions in this coming weekend’s Super 14 semi-final at the Orlando Stadium in Soweto.

Deans believes that the Crusaders, who are now coached by Todd Blackadder, will also benefit from the Bulls’ move from Loftus Versfeld to the unknown Orlando Stadium.

He also has a sound reason for arguing that the Bulls erred with their decision.

Eight years ago Deans’ Crusaders beat a weakened Waratahs side 96-19 in their last league game, after which the Waratahs lost their semi-final against the Brumbies a week later.

“I think it was a mistake to get off the horse,” Deans told about the Bulls.

“But the decision will be judged by how they progress.”

Even so, the Crusaders have a mountain to climb to beat the champions on Saturday.

No team has been able to win a semi-final or final outside its home country since 2000.

Therefore, the Crusaders and Waratahs have to try and manage something extraordinary at Soweto and Cape Town respectively this weekend.

On top of that the Crusaders are still hoping that star fly-half Dan Carter will be able to train fully at Fourways in Johannesburg on Thursday.

Carter and prop Ben Franks are both nursing ankle injuries that they sustained in the win over the Brumbies, but should be given until Friday’s captain’s run in Soweto to recover.

Carter again proved how dangerous he can be in the Bulls’ nailbiting win over the Crusaders at Loftus Versfeld.

Blackadder told the Crusaders’ website that the team had taken encouragement from coming close at Loftus.

“The Bulls should be fresh after their players got a rest. Was it a good move? Who knows, it all depends on who plays better on the day.

“Our players have a lot of confidence after they came close to beating the Bulls in Pretoria two weeks ago. Our game has gone up a gear and you could see it against the Brumbies,” said Blackadder.


  • Etienne - 2010-05-19 22:43

    Robbie Deans. You cannot get the aussies combo on track, and you take all the credit for a superb saders team. You do not know rugby. If you did the aussies would be contenders not wooden spoon hoggers

  • Bull to the bone - 2010-05-19 23:29

    100% right . the Aussies alwals knows better.

  • Aki - 2010-05-19 23:55

    A move from Loftus to Orlando won't make much difference - it's just a few kilometres away from home. What about the Bok history when White rested key players during the 3nations in order to prepare for the WC? I believe the Bulls will be up for it - they can't lose at the "new 2nd home".

  • Chuck - 2010-05-20 00:03

    Eight yaers ago and it only happened once,ONCE. Now it is a done deal, the Bulls are going to loose. What a pot of horse kidneys! Everybody is looking for reasons that the bulls is going to loose and nobody has come up with any proper facts yet! Come on news 24 you are just writing crap to get publicity.

  • Robbie - 2010-05-20 00:34

    Daarsy Ettienne, se hom. Dis hoekom jy eintlik die coach moet wees, ne?

  • To the point - 2010-05-20 00:41

    I have not read a bunch of hogwash like this for a while. "New Zealand side will beat the champions" then later "it all depends on who plays better on the day". which is it, "will win" or "who plays better?" To quote a game from eight years ago between Tahs and Crusaders is also rediculous. He claims this is a sound reason for his opinion. Hey Dean it is 2010 not 2002. Many more factors at play, don't you know? My view. The best team on the day is going to win. What will Dean or Blackadder or Pieter Jordaan say if the Crusaders loose. Come on this is bad journalism. It is so up in the air.

  • Deonic - 2010-05-20 00:51

    Ok, emotions aside. One team has been resting for two weeks whilst the other has crossed the Indian ocean twice, and played a game against a top flight team inbetween. Come on Mr Deans, you know better, and we know that you are just saying the right thing. We certainly didn't expect that you will suddenly predict that the Saders will loose this one. From here on it is all about psychology, and the hatred and perceived unfairness (incorrectly so) of the Saders experience at Loftus will see them coming out with a massive effort. If the Saders is not at least 17 points clear at the break, however, their season will come to a stuttering halt in the rarified air of the highveld in the second half. It will be 40 minutes too much. The Saders doesn't only need a super-human effort of their own, but they need the Bulls to self-destruct, something that doesn't really happen to the Bulls. The Bulls only need to keep their discipline and structure in the first half, and not commit a yellow-card offence to win this one. This from a Stormers-supporter. Mr Deans et al keep on harping about the experience when the Waratahs rested 7 players in a similar situation about 9 years ago, and how it "backfired" because the 'Tahs were hammered in the final pool game by the Brumbies. Well, Mr Deans, as it turns out, the Bulls have rested their whole team, and the second-stringers were not hammered with 91 points. The reality is that the Bulls players really needed the break, and the 2nd half of Saturday's game is going to be a very long one for the Saders, and messrs Du Preez, Steyn, Spies, Olivier and Kirchner will run wild in the second half. Spirit and hatred and the energy that is derived from that does not last for 80 minutes on the high-veld. Be careful that the Crusaders don't concede a yellow-card as a result of their pumped-up but tired state. I suspect that they will try to do a Giteau on du Preez, but Stuart Dickinson will probably not let it slip, and that will be the end. If McCaw is up to his normal ridiculous off-side and illegal play, he will be penalised, and we as South Africans have seen that high profile games force the refs to be very fair, and this will probably put paid to the benefits normally derived from mr McCaw's illegal shenanigans.

  • Jakes - 2010-05-20 01:19

    @Etienne: Make sure of your facts. Three of the aussie teams are in the top six on the log.

  • Gerrit - 2010-05-20 01:26

    The Bulls are gonna crush the Saders . . and this coming from a Lions supporter. I just love how Ausie and Kiwi coaches try to get in their 2 cents before games like these. They actually believe that their unfounded comments will have some sort of effect on the outcome of games. SA rugby is top notch at the moment. Good luck you Ausie and Kiwi pricks

  • rugbymad - 2010-05-20 01:40

    it doesnt matter what people comment about on this site, we will find out by the end of the weekend if deans is a genius or not.

  • Bobby - 2010-05-20 01:42

    Ettienne You full of gungho whislt your saffa team is at the top. Remeber Deans took a poor Crusaders team and turned them into a consistent winning team. His first year at the Crusaders was poor...due to his youth policy then after that ...well we all know about it. Robbie Deans knows more about rugby than you do...he has the Kudos to show...Do you? The wallabies have been through Deans youth policy and they have started from the base but they are sure showing signs of improvement. Just you wait Mr Higgins...just you wait!!

  • @Ettienne - 2010-05-20 01:49

    Geez mate at least try to talk sense! You says Deans took the credit for the Crusaders titles over the years only because they were good, not the coach! Now, according to you, he can’t get the Aussies back on the winning road.Really? What happened to the Boks in Brisbane in 2009? The Aussies is on their way back and Deans is the man who is doing that. They will win the 2011 WC as this space! Deans is one of the best coaches ever mate and if you read the report again you might understand it better. Deans didn’t say that the Bulls definitely made a mistake he says in his opinion they did but only time will tell. If he had backed Meyer’s decision you would have raved here telling everybody that Deans, best coach ever, agrees with your BB decision. Maybe you should ask someone to translate the report into Afrikaans and then you might just understand the contents thereof...blouaap!

  • Eben - 2010-05-20 04:17

    Sour grapes anyone?

  • Positive rugby fan - 2010-05-20 05:04

    Robbie Deans is entitled to his opinion and it is about time people start respecting other peoples views and comments. most people living in RSA are very negative and often down right rude to others comments. I hope both the Stommers and Bulls are able to win this Saturday and that the supporters turn all their agressive comments and abuse into positive support for their South African teams. You are only letting other who read these blogs think that you are all un- educated, agressive, unhappy people living in RSA. Go the Stormers and the Bulls and may the best team win!!!!!

  • BALSAK(alias Blue Bul Hater) - 2010-05-20 05:47

    As a STORMERS supporter and from a SA perspective, I do not necessarily agree with the fact that the Bulls will loose the game. But I DEFINITELY agree, that only TIME will teach/learn whether the Bulls have made a mistake to rest their TOP players. I'm honestly not sure about their decision to rest the TOP players!!! Wat ek wil weet is dat, MY BOYS van KAAPSTAD meer as GEREED is vir die WARATAHTJIES!!!!

  • whindy - 2010-05-20 05:50

    @Etienne, you are obviously very ignorant Bull supporter, to say Robbie Deans knows nothing about Rugby, is just stupid anD typical of a one eyed blue bull supporter. Watch Aussie this year they are going to give everybody a go. and I hope you dont get egg on your face, with your remarks about Deans, as I would like the Bulls to progress to the final.Just not with the arrogance and contempt, that you show for one of the worlds greatest coaches.Humility is something you Bull supporters should learn, then everybody would not hate you bunch of clowns so much!!

  • Impi - 2010-05-20 06:22

    Etienne, numb nuts, can't you recognize wisdon when you hear it? Bow down, Mister.

  • What about ... - 2010-05-20 06:35

    What about the bulls is the team to beat. What about the saders losing 2/2 semi against the Bulls and then it was also said "look the crusaders are coming". What about Jet lagged Stars v Rested Stars. What about High Field air, burning your lungs after 60 min of high intensity rugby. What about no team since 2000 travelling winning a semi. What about 40 000 screaming fans. What about the saders never playing in a town ship or ever been in a town ship. What about the Bulls having a winning formula against most of the teams. What about the Bulls trailing and winning in dying seconds at loftus, that got to hurt your self believe. What about the Bulls playing badly against a peaking Crusaders and still win. Ag Please taking all these factors in account how can the rugby trust of Aus make unrealistic comment like this.

  • Mike - 2010-05-20 06:44

    I Agree with Deans. The Bulls will have a definite loss to face on Saturday. The Bulls have outplayed all the luck they need during the season to take them into the semi's. Nothing would make me more happy then a Bulls lost!!!!!

  • Mike@CapeT - 2010-05-20 06:45

    Etienne, you blinkered a%$#ehole, Deans was the Crusaders coach when they were at their dominant best!

  • STORMER - 2010-05-20 06:54

    @Etienne - Mate you obviously don't know much about rugby (except to slam & criticise anyone who has anything to say about the Bulls....) Watch The Aussies next year during the WC.....they are going to be serious contenders along with France... Then again, you probably only watch games the Bulls play - so you wouldn't have seen some of the Aussie GENIUS coming through the ranks.... Give a little credit where it is due's not that hard to do - and I promise you Wynie & Victor won't come looking for you...

  • NCT - 2010-05-20 07:01

    Oh please, who cares what Robbie Deans has to say? This guy made a living out of "coaching" an almost all All Black side to 5 super trophies. Yeah, that must be really difficult. If he's so brilliant, why is Australia the worst of the tri-nations? The Bulls are going to slaughter these little sissy boys...

  • Michael - 2010-05-20 07:06

    Deans has a point. Lets never undersetimate the power of the Bulls. They have proved for two years now that they are the best team in tournament. The Crusaders will have to play out of their skin to beat the Bulls. If the Crusaders manage to beat the Bulls (the odds are against the Saders) then to repeat that form the next weekend against the Stormers will not be done. Yet the Bulls can play normal game to beat the Saders. Lets see what happens. For me I would like an all South African final where the Stormers will win :-)

  • Carel - 2010-05-20 07:12

    Etienne, you should go and have a chat with some people that know something about rugby, even if it's just a little something, and the knowledge you gain from that chat might in future stop you making idiotic statements like this....

  • Chimsoro - 2010-05-20 07:13

    The arrogant bulls supporters will tend to islike these statements from Deans but you will probably find Deans has a bit more knowledge, intelligence and experience that Mr Joe average bull supporter...I think he is right and I hope he is right...the Crusaders are gonna thrash those thugs and their tame ref...they know the bulls game and not much changes...go Crusaders and shut these idiots up for another season please

  • dean - 2010-05-20 07:25

    Etienne any man who coaches a team to 5 titles knows his rugby.i think u should think before you talk.

  • Jay - 2010-05-20 07:26

    @etienne, you obviously know jack about rugby, 3 out of 4 of their teams were in the top 6 this year in the Super 14. The Australians are the ones WE should be worrying about come World Cup next year. You must be a bulls supporter.

  • Rus - 2010-05-20 07:28

    At least player #23 M Jonker wont save the Bulls this time. Go Crusaders!

  • chez - 2010-05-20 07:29

    The judgement about resting the top players is based on something that happened 10 years ago? Are your reaching a bit there? trying to out-psych us with that rubbish will not work. there will be massive support for the Bulls at Orlando. Say what you like about the Bulls, but they are the only team to openly embrace the SWC and Bafana Bafana. We WILL win come Saturday!

  • Sharky - 2010-05-20 07:34

    100 % Deans....I said that last week and I will say it again. It's all about momentum....something the bulls have lost as well as factor in the Orlando stadium. Crusaders to win 22-16

  • Unabashed Dutchman - 2010-05-20 07:37

    And all of this from the man who brought us only one Tri-Nations victory for the Waltzing Matildas. I'd rather focus on actually helping Aus win some matches if I was him. Maybe a little nostalgia there ol' Rob? For an era when NZ was still omnipotent? Those days are over. The Bulls aren't the Tahs mate, they'll do a lot more than just 'pitch' for Saturday's game, they'll dominate just as a blue wave will cover Soweto. And may God have mercy on the team that faces the Bulls in the final there. Bulleeeeeeeeeeeeee!!

  • Blue machine - 2010-05-20 07:41

    My word really people want the bulls to lose.Tim Noakes said the bulls had to rest their players they had no option but to.Spies looked out of touch he needed rest.So did olivier,Du preez,Kirchner and most of the bulls top players will be playing against france they needed to recharge their batteries for france!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Jaco - 2010-05-20 07:46

    I Like the bulls, but I totally resent the average Bull supporter!! The Bulls have had a good run this season, but I believe the Stormers are a better side. The Bulls were peaking mid Super 14 season, and the Stormers a on their peak right now. Add to that a general dicipline problem in the Bulls camp as soon as things heat up!! I would like the SA teams to come out on top, but I think the Bulls have ran out of ammo for their guns.

  • Graeme - 2010-05-20 07:57

    This is the same Robbie Deans who said the Reds would win the Super 14 a couple of weeks ago.

  • Jean - 2010-05-20 08:03

    Deans made a mistake to leave the Crusaders. Who cares what he thinks now.

  • Dave - 2010-05-20 08:10

    It is always amazing to see how many experts their is when it comes to the game rugby. Especially the comments made based on low self esteem. The latest decease is: 'Lets hate and nail the Bulls. Siestog!! Bulls show them, and shut their mouths with results on the score board. In two weeks time will it be silent in Cape Town. On all the constant negative comments about the Bulls: C.J .Langenhoven said, you stick your nose in other peoples business when your own business stinks. Bulls is the best. Do not worry about the comments of Deans. The only reality the Aussies know is Bondi Beach...LOL

  • Lefty - 2010-05-20 08:11

    @sharky . Shows how little you know , your sharks team did not perform at all this season and only got a wake up call back in SA . And after the Bulls gave them a good working over . Dean is just plucking at straws as he well knows the crusaders will suffer for jet lag and the hard game they played last Saturday . Bulls will have their momentum back . So screw you and Deans , and wake up boet !! Put your sour grapes where the sun dont shine !! Its a all SA semi and we need to get behind our teams . Go Bulls and Stomers !!!

  • @etienne - 2010-05-20 08:11

    ...., and you are a real expert. Do you sit on the left or the right side of your TV. O, off course not. An expert always sit right in front. Give this man a Bell's. Whahaahaaa

  • henk - 2010-05-20 08:14

    @ etienne, doesnt look like you know ANYTHING about rugby. Deans addressed the fatal mistake the bulls made by resting his players, not you capabality to read or understand English, so why questioning his excellent coaching record? as far as it concerns the aussies, compare them with the gauteng lions. they have the players, and had many coaches up to now and still they fail. maybe its the management? who knows?

  • @Ettiene ((Koos van die Kaap) - 2010-05-20 08:17

    Moenie jou steur aan die ooms wat jou so kritiseer nie. Ek volg altyd jou gereelde kommentaar en vir 'n laerskool leerder is dit nogal skerp. Doen so voort. Maar moenie so laat op die internet kioer nie. DIt is nou eksamentyd.

  • asch - 2010-05-20 08:17

    More BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. Only after the game can "reasonsfor or against" be debated. Be quite, sit down and watch the game........

  • Bloutrein - 2010-05-20 08:18

    Hahaha the only thing all these NZ and Aussie coaches will achieve with this predictions is to fire up the blue machine even more! The Bulls are out to once more prove that they are the trend setters in world rugby!! I realy feel for the teams facing them in the semies and the final. Bring it on Crusaders! I remember the day when Richard Bands knocked out McCaw when he tried to do a high tackle on him. We will once again see a Blue Bulls machine ready to destroy everything in front of them!!!! Go BULLLLLSSSS!!!!

  • J - 2010-05-20 08:20

    I am not a bulls supporter but I hope for their sake they are not over confident. Deans is a good coach and what he say make sense...this is the 2nd article I have read on sport24 regarding why the crusaders can(have a good chance of winning) and both of them are well thought and make sense. I think its gonna be a cracker of a game. So bulls this is not a loins side they are facing or any other team, if it wasn't for the ref on loftus the bulls would have their record broken. Well good luck for both teams it would be nice to see a full strenght stormers side vs a bulls side.

  • Jona Lomu - 2010-05-20 08:22

    I think the crusaders had to win the match at Loftus...South African Ref's should be disallowed when a SA Team plays a NZ Team, and visa versa in NZ and AUS. Some of the decisions that the REF gave, was pathetic....!!!!!! If the Crusaders just up a notch to the game that they played at Loftus... The Crusaders Should win in Soweto.....!!!! And why the bulls Rested the Top Players , was to give the Stormers a Home Semi...!!!

  • Anonymous - 2010-05-20 08:26

    I would say if the playing fields were level I would back the 'Saders to win it. Fact is though that even if the bulls "lost momentum" with their resting of the players, the saders team would feel the effect of flying across six time zones there and back again within two weeks (imagine 48 hours without sleep) and then come and play on the highveld where you run out of oxygen as well. Ask any guy who loves jogging in Cape Town to go jog on the highveld, what a difference it makes. Crusaders to beat first half, Bulls to thrash in second half, my prediction.

  • John - 2010-05-20 08:28

    @chez: While I agree with your statement that this is simply a tactic on NZ's behalf, I don't agree with your Bulls & SWC statement. They had no real option but to go to Soweto. I'm happy to be proven correct, but I had a look around for another 40 000 seater stadium... Nada. This is a simple economical exercise, from which some transformative glow happens to shine off. I seriously doubt that the Bulls, or any of their supporters, give a damn about embracing SWC in Soweto. Just my opinion. Good luck bulls (did I just say that?)

  • Attie - 2010-05-20 08:29

    I've read a couple of these articles this week, and it's quite obvious that those who say the Bulls are gonna lose, are "living in a dream world" stormer supporters, and they keep on reminding us THIS is the stormers' year- as was last year, and the year before, and for as long as super rugby's existence LOL!! Dream on boys!!!

  • EtienneS - 2010-05-20 08:32

    @Etienne - You are a disgrace for our mutual name!Ever played rugby yourself.Probably a fat coauchpotato that think he knows more than all the ref,trainers,commentators etc etc. Take the day off Sat and go and have your usual buy one get one free Spur burger!

  • ballesbak - 2010-05-20 08:32

    @Ettiene.You want the job tosspot?Little armchair critic!!!

  • Jona Lomu - 2010-05-20 08:36