Schalk, Duane: WP before SA?

2012-08-01 14:13

Cape Town - Established Springbok loose forward favourite Schalk Burger and Test wannabe Duane Vermeulen are likely to be given Currie Cup game-time for Western Province, rather than experience any fast-tracking to the Bok squad during the early stages of the Castle Rugby Championship.

That is apparent after a message on Wednesday on the official Province website ( from coach Allister Coetzee.

In it Coetzee, as mortified as anyone at Newlands after a fruitful Super Rugby campaign suddenly derailed with a bump in the semi-final against the Sharks, wrote: “We have to move on (and) the Currie Cup is a great opportunity for us to change our focus and get back on the bike, so to speak.”

But he also revealed: “I spoke to (Bok coach) Heyneke Meyer earlier in the week and he says both Schalk and Duane are in his plans, but I imagine they’d have to play some Currie Cup rugby first to prove themselves.”

Both have been laid low for months with knee injuries, and although Vermeulen, in particular, was recently considered to have a chance of seeing some Super Rugby playoff action, nothing came of it.

And neither of the pair, who would challenge strongly for Bok involvement in the new four-nation southern hemisphere Test competition if fully fit, is yet back in full contact training anyway.

Coetzee said on the site: “It’s safe to assume we’ll definitely lose Eben (Etzebeth), Andries (Bekker), Bryan (Habana) and Jean (de Villiers) to the national team, so it would be great to have Schalla and Duane available at some point.

“Duane is not that far from taking a full part in training, whereas Schalk could be a bit longer, but we will be monitoring them both and, with a bit of luck, could have them in WP colours during the Currie Cup.”

WP start their campaign at Newlands on August 11, ironically against the very Sharks who caused the Super Rugby heartbreak last Saturday.

Meyer, meanwhile, names his first Castle Championship squad at Worcester on Saturday afternoon.

The squad, initially without its Sharks contingent, assembles in Cape Town on Sunday, just under a fortnight ahead of the opening fixture against Argentina at Newlands on August 18.

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  • maakdiebulle.almalbokke - 2012-08-01 14:17

    That goes without saying.

      chaplinncharlie - 2012-08-01 14:27

      They can play the whole currie cup season for the Stompies... We have enough back-up to cover these two...

      chaplinncharlie - 2012-08-01 14:52

      Yes Yester Spies en Potties is more than capable of doing the task....

      spear.tackle.7 - 2012-08-01 14:53

      Yes, Petricia Spies is the answer ??

      chaplinncharlie - 2012-08-01 14:58

      I would probably play K Daniels... Before Spies or ol'Dowwe Duane...

      spear.tackle.7 - 2012-08-01 15:04

      Chaplin agree, daniels is a very scillfull player, but does he fit into HM's plans? ..

      chaplinncharlie - 2012-08-01 15:08

      Spear i think so... Think HM likes him... they did mention it in a article where HM rates him... So we will just have to See... He hits the game line hard so i think he should fit...

      mike.barmby - 2012-08-01 17:25

      As a Stormers supporter and avid rugby aficionado I respectfully disagree. I think Joe Pietersen should definitely get a look at playing number eight for the Springboks. He has been with Toulon for a few years and I believe he is the captain. He is a monster force on the field and has been there and got the t-shirt. He was great when he was with the Lions and Western Province. They don't call him "Big Joe" for nothing or in France "Joe Grand" and in Kenya "Joe Kubwa" - when in Rome as they say! Joe Pietersen should definitely get a look at being number 8.

      shaun.swindon.3 - 2012-08-01 18:06

      Mike Barmby you surely mean Joe Van Niekerk right?

  • mike.barmby - 2012-08-01 14:21

    As a Stormers supporter and avid rugby watcher I would prefer to see Schalk Duane should be put in the Springbok team before the Western Province team to get some game time before the Currie Cup. Schalk Duane has been such a contributor to South African rugby and who will ever forget that game when he was sent off for eye gouging? That was a big contribution to South African rugby and will be remembered forever. In the article, Pieter De Villiers spoke about getting back on the bike but I noticed they had stationery bikes next to the field during the Super rugby seasons before to keep the players warm but that have been removed. Perhaps he meant get back on the field. Well, good luck to Schalk Duane on his recovery

      deon.fouche.3 - 2012-08-01 14:31

      Mike, wat rook jy? Dit moet onwettig wees!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      maakdiebulle.almalbokke - 2012-08-01 14:36

      "As a Stormers supporter and avid rugby watcher" ?Now That's Ironic!

      marnus.lamprecht - 2012-08-01 15:11

      I seems like you are not quite aware of the fact that Schalk,Duane actually refers to 2 players....maybe you are not that much of an avid rugby watcher as you think. Buy SA Rugby or even the Sport Illustrated then maybe you will know about Schalk Burger and Duane Vermeulen.

      Kevin - 2012-08-01 15:36

      Mike, you must have gotten totally blotto after Saturday night's game, and you have clearly not yet sobered up... Go to bed, and tomorrow morning take a few Grand-Pa and get back in bed

      mike.barmby - 2012-08-01 16:54

      As a Stormers fan and avid rugby watcher, I respectfully disagree. Schalk Duane has been a stalwart in SA rugby, he has won a World Cup trophy and been sent off in other world cup games. I feel it is insensitive and very unfair to call him two people. I understand you meant it in a good way because he does two people's work on the field but please do not insult the man's legacy by claiming he is schizophrenic. His good work is sometimes outshone by his mistakes such as his eye gouging is outshone by his World Cup trophy. I think it is unfair to call him a World Cup winner before an eye gouger. A man is only as good as his last game and Schalk Duane would be a knee if he was his last game. Are we going to start calling him a knee as well as two people? That is just insensitive to his family. We don't go around calling his family table throwers just because wedding crashers are only as good as their last wedding! And Marnus, I am afraid I am merely an actuarial scientist so I would not be able to actually buy SA Rugby because SA Rugby is bigger than one man. I therefore am unable to actually buy the Sports Illustrated organisation too. I merely state my opinion here and I do not appreciate the advice of taking a Grandpa. I have already taken a wife and she would not be happy if I took a grandpa. This comments section has really degenerated into a horrid place!

      stompies.hattingh.5 - 2012-08-01 17:36

      Ha ha Mike, me thinks it is the other people who are dof. I hate to admit it to a stormers supporter, but please keep on entertaining me!

      marnus.lamprecht - 2012-08-02 09:47

      Mike Barmby please just tell me who is this Schalk Duane you are still stuck on? His name is Schalk Burger, the Duane part of the article refers to another WP/Stormers player that is injured, his name is Duane Vermeulen! I am glad you can't but SA Rugby of Sport Illustrated because with sport knowledge like you have they will both go bankrupt. So go to PnP or CNA and just buy the SA Rugby magazine and the Sport Illustrated magazine to improve your rugby knowledge.

      mike.barmby - 2012-08-02 17:28

      Dear Marnus, thank you for your input but as a former Stormer supporter I respectfully reject your advice. Your rugby knowledge is sub standard, I have been studying the game for the last three weeks and just because you don't know the players names does not make me stupid. There is no need to get to hurtful and abusive. I am only here to give my opinion and share in the vast rugby knowledge people like me and Tank Lanning bring to the table

  • dirk.naude.12 - 2012-08-01 14:29

    I agree, as great as they are, they'll need to start from the beginning and work their way into the Bok squad. Just take a look at the inspirational story of Yuri Boyka in the documentary Undisputed 3, he had to overcome a lot of obstacles (broken knee for one) to regain his fitness and reach the top again.

      maakdiebulle.almalbokke - 2012-08-01 14:44

      @Dirk,You can add to that the inspirational story of Pierre Spies :)

      johan.spies.18 - 2012-08-01 23:25

      Dirk erken dit maar hier asseblief, jy's op die drumpel om uit die kas te klim

      steyts - 2012-08-02 08:50

      Hy stoei nog erg met die kas se deur!!! @Maakdiebulle - Eerlik waar!! Dit is net party van die bulls ondersteuners wat dink Pierre Spies is goed! Die res van die land dink hy is pateties!! Dewald Potgieter sal 'n baie beter kaptein wees sedert Dewald sal kan "lead by example!" Ekskuus my afrikaans het my daar bietjie in die steek gelaat... PLUS, Dewald lyk darem asof hy 'n IK het wat hoer is as 'n plant s'n...

  • grant.butler.104 - 2012-08-01 14:45

    Oh heavens....does this mean we going to be stuck with Spies?

      deon.fouche.3 - 2012-08-01 14:51

      Blue... nothing wrong with De Villiers and Habana. You just saying that because of what Grant said about Spies, but come on, you know Spies is not on his best!

      heystek.erasmus - 2012-08-01 14:52

      Lol @blue,you forgot to mention that we will be stuck with the calls from the capies that grant,aplon and the rest of the showponies should be in the team

      chaplinncharlie - 2012-08-01 14:53

      Ja Parkie Bekker which plays wing-lock ... Newest position in a Rugby team..

      dirk.naude.12 - 2012-08-01 14:58

      My take on Spies is that he became to much of a celebrity. People, us supportes expect to much of the guy, we follow him to closely, Spies this, Spies that... we just see Spies everywhere. We need to stop and just take a step back and see him as the 8th man, he is a brilliant player, he goes in does the job and there is that. He is excellent by 8th man standard... not by Zinzan Brooke standard, but hey that was a different era.

      chaplinncharlie - 2012-08-01 15:11

      Bekker is useless... He doesn't have the backbone which these youngsters have... I personally wont play him... Would play that lock frm the Bulls and other lock frm the Stormers...

      deon.fouche.3 - 2012-08-01 15:14

      Blue, as you can see I am a Shark, but even if the whole Bok team will be Bulls, I will still be a very proud Bok supporter all the way, in my Bok jersey! My only thing is thins.. just pick the best 22, even if it is all Bulls / Stormers / Sharks /Lions!

      deon.fouche.3 - 2012-08-01 15:15


      heystek.erasmus - 2012-08-01 15:22

      @blue,wag en kyk,jy sal sien as die bok groep gekies word,dan gaan daar weer 'n geween en 'n gekners van tande wees in die kaap oor hulle showponies soos Grant nie in die groep is nie.oeps,sorry,ekt vergeet,daar is nie tande in die kaap,wat noem jy 'n 'n Slaapstad Stormers fan met tande....??'n nuwe intrekker!

      steyts - 2012-08-02 08:58

      Dirk jy is mal!!! Om dronk of gerook te wees kan tog sekerlik nie veroorsaak dat enige iemand sulke breinlose kommentaar kan lewer nie... Pierre Spies is nie goed nie!! Daar is 'n hele klomp no 8 in die land wat BAIE BETER is as hy!!!! Aansienlik beter!!!! Dowwe Duane, Alberts en Kankowski (bygese ook maar net vir die afgelope paar weke!!) is beter as hy!!! Spies moet pasop want in die volgende twee jaar is daai flank van die junior bokke, Adendorf, ook in die mix en dan is sy plek in die bulls span in groot moeilikheid!!!! Meisiekind het die regte besluit gemaak om te loop voordat hy sy naam by die drein afgooi deur om uit gespeel te word deur 'n twinitg jarige mannetjie (eintlik 'n moerse seun!!) met die naam Jan Serfontein!! Die bulls span oor twee of drie jaar gaan baie goed wees!! Maar op die huidige oomblik het hulle niks nie!!

      steyts - 2012-08-02 09:01

      Bygese, noudat ek die res van die comments gelees het stem ek saam dat ek sal vir die bokke skree maak nie saak wie daarin speel nie!! Ons kan maar net hoop dat die beste span gekies word!! Wie weet, miskien as Spies en Steyn uit die span gehaal word dan sal hulle agterkom daar is groot fout en aan hulle spel werk!! Miskien dan sal hulle hulle potensiaal weer bereik!! Dan, en slegs dan, sal hulle hulle plek in die bokspan weer verdien!!

  • heystek.erasmus - 2012-08-01 14:48

    Well,to be honest,they have been out so long,hat not one off them can be seen as automatic selections for the Bok team in any case,they will have to prove themself worthy!also,there are so many loosies that put up their hands this season,the question is,are they even still good enough???loved the wannabe tag for Vermeulen!

  • spear.tackle.7 - 2012-08-01 15:00

    Bulls proved to us that they are not bok material.. Maybe only Hougaard

      heystek.erasmus - 2012-08-01 15:07

      Eish,so,by your way of thinking,none of the Crusaders shoul be in the AB team?lol,Carter was rattled like a schoolboy against the Chiefs,but does that mean they are not good enough for the AB's?also,using your way of thinking,no Stormer should be in the Bok team?

      maakdiebulle.almalbokke - 2012-08-01 15:11

      And the stormers proved to us that they are chokers, Par excellence !

      spear.tackle.7 - 2012-08-01 15:18

      I was referring to the bulls selected for the tests against england, all 13 of them ..

      john.maree.90 - 2012-08-01 15:21

      die stormers het verder as die bulle gekom maki saak as hul weer verloor het nie die punt is ons was daar

      maakdiebulle.almalbokke - 2012-08-01 15:23

      Choking is the stormers forte

      maakdiebulle.almalbokke - 2012-08-01 15:25

      @john, Aim Low and You'll Never Be Disappointed

      john.maree.90 - 2012-08-01 15:28

      die bulle se aim was om die palle temis?

      maakdiebulle.almalbokke - 2012-08-01 15:41

      @graem,Kolisi, Etzebeth, Aplon, Kitshoff and Jean de Villiers ?

      john.maree.90 - 2012-08-01 15:47

      dis as jou ma se bene oop gaan en eke moet my bal daar skop!

      spear.tackle.7 - 2012-08-01 15:49

      JdJ as an impact player maybe ? Not a great fan of de Villiers

      maakdiebulle.almalbokke - 2012-08-01 15:57

      JdJ ,had a had an epileptic fit twice, in the game against the Rebels, just as he scored the tries

      steyts - 2012-08-02 09:07

      5 is more than the 2 that I would select from the bulls.... Hougaard and J Kruger, THE END!! In the squad I would have de Villiers, Kolisi, Bekker, Etsebeth, Habana, and maybe Kitshoff from the stormers, that's it!! Only de Villiers, Etsebeth and Habana will pbe in starting 15, along with a lot of sharks, one cheetah (Brussow) and two bulls...

  • heystek.erasmus - 2012-08-01 15:15

    Well,i am a Bulls fan,and I hope that HM do not pick a single Bull for the Boks,Not that I think they are Not good enough,but for one only reason,lol,then we can have a cleansweep of the CC,and our players can have some more rest,and take the S15 next year!

      spear.tackle.7 - 2012-08-01 15:21

      Yes let's do it your way !

  • eduard.wagener - 2012-08-01 15:56

    Schalk is a injury waiting to happen, last 2 years, how many games did he play for the stormers, time to let him go! No use any more.

      mike.barmby - 2012-08-01 16:59

      As a Stormers fan and avid rugby watcher, I respectfully disagree. Schalk Duane still has a big role to play in SA Rugby. He can be MC at some players weddings. He can be the water carrier. He could hold tackle bags. He could hold eye gouging classes. There is still a lot for him to do and I think it would be very and grossly unfair to write him off completely. Schalk Duane, aka Schuane's legacy will live on forever.

      steyts - 2012-08-02 09:12

      He played most of last year!!!

  • dave.short.102 - 2012-08-01 18:36

    Ag dammmmmmmmm that means Spies poppo will still be there in the squad, thats a pity. Bulls groete!!!!!1

  • johan.spies.18 - 2012-08-01 23:23

    Who is WP? Who is Schalk and Duane? The IQ giants

      johan.arendse.90 - 2012-08-02 08:30

      O Bliksem die groot DO*S IS TERUG. Lekker weggekruip na die bulle se pak slae.Sien jy het nou weer erens uit n BLOU GAT gekruip,of het jy agter tommy boy se hol gele.

  • aubrey.gloster - 2012-08-02 11:11

    Is it a matter of the Cup before the tea, maybeee?

  • hoffjw - 2012-08-03 11:47

    can these bluebulls just faaaaaarkooooooofffff,

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