Kirchner: It was God's plan

2011-10-02 17:13

Cape Town - Blue Bulls fullback Zane Kirchner says his call-up to the Springboks' World Cup squad is part of God's plan with his life.

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Kirchner will board for New Zealand on Sunday night to replace Frans Steyn - who was ruled out of the tournament after injuring his shoulder in South Africa's 13-5 win over Samoa on Friday.

Kirchner, 27, will join the squad in Wellington on Tuesday morning in preparation for Sunday’s quarter-final at the Wellington Regional Stadium.

The Boks will play the Wallabies in the quarters after the Australians finished second in their Pool (C) on Sunday when Ireland defeated Italy.

Kirchner told the Rapport newspaper his inclusion is a "dream come true" and feels the timing of the incident is part of the plan God has with his life.

"It wasn't His time that I be at the World Cup from the beginning, but only had to go now. I believe God plans everything for you in your life and He knows best. Therefore, I wasn't really disappointed when I failed to make the initial group.

"It's nevertheless now a dream that has come true to go to the World Cup. Uncle Wynie (Strydom, the Blue Bulls' team manager) phoned me this morning (Saturday) at about 8h00 with the wonderful news," said Kirchner.

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  • louisjven - 2011-10-02 17:21

    Ek stem saam, Frans is goed maar hy het SA verlaat. Zane was van die begin af n beter keuse.

      Met - 2011-10-02 17:30

      Verskoon my, maar het jy al rugby gekyk?

      JustinD - 2011-10-02 18:14

      what a dumb comment

      Pauljay - 2011-10-02 18:35

      I have read all kinds of comments and yours will go into my top 10 of stupid comments by people who know nothing about rugby!

      tHeOrAcLe - 2011-10-02 19:01

      Wot a Twat

      Hooflungdung - 2011-10-02 19:13

      Louis ... take off your kop stamp glasses when you watch rugby or what you think is rugby and you will notice that you actually watching netball ... come on I am actually thinking why they dont bring in a Mvovo?

      Clark Kent - 2011-10-02 20:43

      Im not sure the Proteas rugby team actually features very big at all in God Plan

      Couch Critic - 2011-10-02 21:26

      @ Clarke Kent - who are the Proteas that are playing in the RWC ?

      Durbanpoison - 2011-10-02 23:19

      So its God's plan to let the Bentley be stolen and replace it with a bicycle... whoop what a great plan dude...

      Karoobloed - 2011-10-03 06:39

      Zane Kirchner, you are a South African and you happen to be a believer. Non-believers may not understand that your statement was ultimately one of humility, rather than an opportunistic call to try and convert others.. You are a member of my nation and I am proud of you.

      Karoobloed - 2011-10-03 07:16

      Yes we do not have the equivalent of Israel Dagg or Mils Muliaina. And Frans Steyn is out. Pat Lambie and Zane Kircner looks likw the best we have at 15 at the moment. Unless you are a racist.

      burtfred - 2011-10-03 07:38

      Yea sure, Zane. And I'm praying that God plans a haircut for you.

      jacques - 2011-10-03 08:40

      Couch Critic, wake up!! If the SA government and sports administrators get their way, the springbok emblem will dissapear completely by the next RWC - it is considered part of "appartheid".

      Gazza69 - 2011-10-03 09:44

      Kirchner i doubt it was Gods was the plan of 15 Somoan thugs to injure our key players, but enjoy your NZ vacation nontheless....

      Tolerant - 2011-10-04 16:31

      Frans was a better player but sometimes you need players that side steps and not all the time try to run over another player. I hope Aploon or De Jongh get's a chance, we need more of them.

  • CHABRI - 2011-10-02 17:37


      Dirt Diver - 2011-10-03 06:18

      Why not kneel in front of the King? Atleast Bakkies, as an icon, makes himself humble in front of thousands of people and give the honour to be on that field, to God. You obviously haven't done much praying and I feel sorry for you about that. If you were, you might ask in the name of God that your team wold be victorious today, and no player get seriously injured, maybe for the people on the stands for safety from one another. Atleast he is PRAYING. CHABRI I hope you read my comment from a neutral standpoint. Read the book " Behind te Tryline" not sure who the author is. Read especially the comments Tendai Mtawarira gave the author. If you are a rugby fan, you'd love this book, and you will understand more about the players and where they come from, why they do the things they do.

      Pim - 2011-10-03 11:50

      firstly anyone posting a comment in "CAPITAL" letters is a moron. Secondly praying before a game is practiced by many individuals and teams around the world ie.(the National Basketball Final in the USA etc etc etc) is opened with prayer.Also all the Pacific Islander teams pray before their rugby games. Thirdly if you were half of a religious person you would know that they don't pray to win they pray to thank God for the priviledge of being able to play sport & to kept safe-if that is Gods will.Sad that you don't respect the right of a person to prepare in his own way before a game.

      Epicurius - 2011-10-03 12:25

      @ Pim - What you fail to acknowledge is that to make a statement about your good fortune, which resulted directly from another's misfortune, being part of God's plan, then the misfortune of the other was also part of the master plan. Take this logic into situations which actually matter more than a simple Rugby match and why should it be any different. Why should it then be any different for a business owner to say 'God's plan was for my business to prosper, so he caused this tsunami. Business has never been so good since we got all of those contracts to rebuild Japan, we just cannot keep up with all the orders and the money is just filling up that bank account quicker than we can spend it!!' A man could also be in a position to say 'It was God's plan for me and my lovely girlfriend to meet eachother. I mean, we're soulmates, and God recognized this so he had to clear the way for me to gain access to her. This meant her husband had to die two years ago.' What seems like a harmless, insignificant statement has bigger implications when you look deeper into it. It is intellectually dishonest to proclaim the truth of one part of the equation (your good fortune is God's plan), without acknowledging that something had to happen (the misfortune of somebody else) in order for your good fortune to result. To credit your good fortune to God, is to render God liable for the misfortune as well. You don't have to say it for the implication to be glaringly obvious.

  • nanasei.kobbina - 2011-10-02 17:42

    I believe you Kirchner

      zaatheist - 2011-10-03 04:22

      If kids can be convinced that the bible is true. That jesus was a real person and the son of god. That belief and faith are more virtuous than critical thought.. They can be convinced to believe anything.

      Matt :-) - 2011-10-03 08:49

      If Zane scores the winning points for the Boks, will you still mock what he said?

      Epicurius - 2011-10-03 10:39

      @ Matt - We will all be happy if Kirchner scores the winning points. We all hope he does well. I think he is stoked at the opportunity which has presented itself, despite it being somebody else's misfortune, and this will quite likely motiviate him to do his best. You do have to face the other side of that coin though Matt. His contribution to the score in the final will not lend any credibility to it being part of any divine master plan. His failure to get off the bench (also a possibility) will simply result in comments from the religious such as 'He's so mysterious, we cannot question Him'. It's that kind of circular logic which apologists use, at all costs, to preserve the idea of God's existence and interference, which is unjustifiably immune to reason.

      Mike - 2011-10-03 15:29

      @Matt - "if Zane scores the winning points"??? Are you serious? - allow me to say: The proteas are coming home on Sunday!

  • thesaoak - 2011-10-02 17:44

    I pray to God that Zane doesn't play a minute of our campaign.... its enough to just be apart of it like awshwin willimse 2007!!

  • WithPurpose - 2011-10-02 17:47

    While I agree with these comments that Zane''s thoughts are far fetched, if that is his way of putting his life in perspective, good on him. Many people are unable to put their lives in perspective and as such struggle to deal with what life throws at them.

      Dave Deane - 2011-10-03 07:43

      Why far-fetched. Just because you do not believe the same does not mean they are far fetched. Far fetched compared to what. Why people make absolute comments based on nothing. There is more proof that Jesus existed than Napoleon and for a matter of fact you. Whilst you are entitled to you opinion, just say you don't agree, instead of belittling someones elses belief base on nothing.

      Ching Ching - 2011-10-03 09:26

      @ Get Real - What's scary, is that you probably believe this drivel you wrote. Amazing. You probably get all of your scientific facts from church. Far fetched, in what you believe, is putting it mildly. You have absolutely NO evidence for your belief, other than what is written in the bible. What makes you think what's written in the bible is true? Please, please, refrain from circular arguments. Waiting...

      Phlegm - 2011-10-03 09:26

      Hey Get Real, you need to live up to your name, more proof that Jesus lived than Napoleon? WTF? you are not for real!

      Mike - 2011-10-03 15:37

      @Phlegm - maybe clear your throat first - he is quite right - you cannot prove a thing about the existence of g-d! There is no living organism that can prove for a fact that god exists - I can prove to you that the bible is a farce!

  • Carl Muller - 2011-10-02 17:48

    Good luck and all the best!

  • Marana.ta - 2011-10-02 17:50

    Good for you Zane! Behind you all the way!! Don't listen to all the nay-sayers, keep your eye on your destiny!

      tHeOrAcLe - 2011-10-02 19:08

      Rather keep your eye on the ball, that's if you get to play at all....

      mbube - 2011-10-03 09:43

      1 Corinthians 11:14 (KJV) Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

  • BeatNic - 2011-10-02 17:55

    Well, it wasn't MY God's plan! There were better options than picking Sideshow Bob!

      AMS-Dammer - 2011-10-03 00:19


      dannyjoshua.israel - 2011-10-03 03:18

      Well beatnic, I'ts not your dagga smoking god we're talking about, Zane's God is obviously to much for your little peabrain to absorb, now put that in your "pipe" and "smoke it"

      Ching Ching - 2011-10-03 09:32

      @ dannyjoshua.israel - what makes you think that "Zane's God" is real and others not? Did the bible tell you so? Or is your proof that you just have to look at all of the trees and plants, and then you will know he is real? Any other evidence?

  • Grunt - 2011-10-02 17:55

    I knew it! The Boks are going to be crucifued.

  • CapeTownJunk - 2011-10-02 17:59

    So God's great plan for Zane Kirchner involves Francois Steyn getting injured? Why does God hate Francois Steyn so much? Seriously, dude. You're benefitting from one person's misfortune. You got lucky, and Francois Steyn got unlucky. That's just how things happen. Your alleged God had nothing to do with it - and that's just as well, because any deity that feels the need to injure someone else in order to do you a favour, is an evil and capricious deity.who ought to be opposed, not worshipped.

      Markie - 2011-10-02 19:02

      Well said.

      Mike - 2011-10-02 19:14

      NOWHERE did it say God had to injure Frans for Zane to get his chance. Your prejudice shines like a lighthouse on a rocky coast! But thats your choice , I grant you. And Zane is entitled to his beliefs without running it by you first!

      CapeTownJunk - 2011-10-02 20:42

      Mike, how exactly would God's plan for Zane Kirchner have worked without the need for collateral damage to Francois Steyn? Surely that *had* to be part of the plan? My prejucide is against stupidity. And a lighthouse on a rocky coast is a good thing, so nice own goal you just scored there.

      Epicurius - 2011-10-02 21:48

      @ Mike - Analogy usage, you're not doing it right.....

      pjbrt - 2011-10-02 23:07

      I am always amazed at the sudden interest that is generated among atheists whenever God's name is mentioned!!! It seems that the whole country's atheist clubs awake and call each other to arms to 'fight' God. Small arrogant men against a mighty God.

      Jacques - 2011-10-03 01:31

      As a christian, i agree with your statement. It is a shame that Gods children are those that give Him the worst PR in the world. Your relationship with Him should be personal. Agree????

      zaatheist - 2011-10-03 04:27

      @pjbrt Atheism simply asserts that there is no god; it has no philosophy or doctrine. But don't worry. Atheism is an intelligence test which you may be able to do eventually. I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. - Stephen F. Roberts

      RandomDude - 2011-10-03 07:52

      zaath , strong atheism is almost as intellectually dishonest as traditional religion. Weak agnostic is a more intellectually honest position to take .

      Scatman - 2011-10-03 07:59

      Well said, with all the issues in the world today why would God favour Zane Kirshner over Frans Steyn. This belief that God controls their destiny over others can only be seen as self rightous and arrogant.

      Matt :-) - 2011-10-03 09:11

      @ pjbrt - yeah, I agree totally. The very second the G-word is mentioned, they flock like wasps to a trash can in summer... but we love them anyway. Funny though how some cite that they hate having god rammed down their throats, yet the first mention of God and the A-Team fight each other to be the first to say "there is no God". Well there is... not quite sure He is too worried about rugby though!

      Ching Ching - 2011-10-03 09:42

      @ Matt :-) - you cannot even give ANY evidence of the existence of god, sorry, God, now you even claim to know what he is worried about or not?! What would we do without all of you christians, providing us with this high quality entertainment?

      kosie - 2011-10-03 15:20

      @ching ching, can you prove that he doesn't exist?????

      Epicurius - 2011-10-03 15:42

      @ kosie - The burden of proof rests on those who claim he exists. One cannot be called upon to prove a negative. If I were to demand you prove that three-headed purple unicorns did not exist, you could not definitively prove it, even though you would be certain enough that they did not exist and that I was unable to offer irrefutable evidence. The burden to prove the existence of three-headed purple unicorns would be on me, would it not? Until irrefutable proof of God's existence is provided, it makes sense to live our lives as if there were no God.

      George_III - 2011-10-03 19:05

      Atheists seem to love quotes, so here is an apt one for your entertainment: For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible - Stuart Chase

      RandomDude - 2011-10-03 21:17

      "For those who don't believe, no proof is possible" .. that's not correct . This is just a thought terminating cliche.

  • Boks4life - 2011-10-02 18:02

    God's plan .......He made a mistake

  • BardofAvon - 2011-10-02 18:10

    Methinks the [unnamed] journalist was having himself some fun. Careful Who you **** with, mate.

  • Wesley Robertson - 2011-10-02 18:25

    Even worse than "happy clappy" types is people that make comments like this one from Kirchner...makes me sick. That is just way overboard. Only the devil would let Frans Steyn get injured and useless Kirchner take his place.

  • bb - 2011-10-02 19:21

    God is a rugby fan?And a Blue Bulls supporter?Well...well........

  • Elsabe - 2011-10-02 19:34

    Ek dink jy moet respek he vir enigiemand se geloof! Ek dink ook nie ZK is die beste keuse nie, maar dis nie nodig om sy geloof aan te val nie!

      ObieKonobie - 2011-10-02 19:42

      I don't have to respect anyone's beliefs. I have to respect their RIGHT to their beliefs, not their beliefs themselves. Do you respect Satanists beliefs?

      Markie - 2011-10-02 20:19

      I have respect for people's religion however the religious people need to start having respect for those that are non believers instead of always putting up a wall when we put our arguments/thoughts forward regarding religion.

  • Fredster69 - 2011-10-02 19:41

    All the best Zane, make us proud

  • Mike - 2011-10-02 19:45

    Would you believe all these people getting so upset because a Springbok rugby player expresses a religious opinion. What is it that , obviously, scares them?

      Irish Mike - 2011-10-02 20:02

      So your are also of the opinion that "God" caused Frans Steyn's injury Mike? I also suppose that when he has a Joost van der Westhuizen moment you will agree that Satan made him do it? It is about time that we stood up for ourselves and stopped blaming others for our problems, etc.

      RandomDude - 2011-10-02 21:14

      And they are expressing their opinion on his opinion .. no problem ? Why would they be scared, I'm not getting the connection ?

      pjbrt - 2011-10-03 00:19

      a Small band of bitter atheists can make a lot of noise. That is how they operate. They target all articles where the Name they hate appears, and no wonder, they say they have no god but they do; and would you believe that he hates God too!!!

      Roger - 2011-10-03 21:59

      Oh christ mikey, So when someone scores a try and thanks god I suppose it had nothing to do with the the other 14 players that got him to the line with the ball? ...oh and god thinks Frans was not good enough to represent his country at the RWC....Tool!

  • MrMacky - 2011-10-02 19:51

    If it was God's plan them I'm glad He is not Springbok coach! :)

      Mike - 2011-10-03 10:54

      Yea - it was god who got Steyn injured so that the turkey could play!

  • Martin.Schumi.Steyn - 2011-10-02 19:53

    Cmon people dont we all serve the the same God or does it differ from your skin and all of you that are having all these crap to moan about I wonder what are you gonna say when the Bokke brings the cup back home I am really sorry but you are hypocritical If you know so much about rugby apply for a job at SARFU

  • Markie - 2011-10-02 19:58

    It's amazing how 'Christians' can voice their opinions all the time however as soon as non Christians and non believers voice their opinions about religion it's been prejudice. I don't believe in any God, I believe in science, the science of someone's body been injured, that is exactly what happened here, unlucky for Frans but lucky for Kirchner. I don't have any problem with people having a religion but when they claim God has intervened like Kirchner has claimed is just plain silly. Frans Steyn got injured, action, Kirchner is replacing him, reaction.

      larry.bling - 2011-10-02 20:51

      Have you ever considered the possibility that God had nothing to do with Frans Steyn's injury but everything to do with picking Zane above the others? Have you ever considered that this may be how Zane interpreted his call up (to be selected ahead of others who are supposedly better). I hear what you are saying mate (not believing in any God) but be sure that the Almighty believes in you because you are part of him and he wil take back what belongs to him unless you repent like I had to do.

      larry.bling - 2011-10-02 21:31

      Dear Epicurius, the emphasis has been on Kirchner's interpretation in my previous post and not about God not taking any responsibility. Zane said it was God's plan and the majority attributed Steyn's misfortune to God's intervention although Zane does not say that God injured Frans. This to me is selective interpretation influenced by subjective thinking. Have you noticed that the mention of God's name creates alot of buzz. If we are all honest with ourselves then we will admit that deep down we all now the truth. The mention of God's name unsettles us. The responsibility is therefore on us to find out why this is so.

      RandomDude - 2011-10-02 21:32

      @ larry .. "Have you ever considered the possibility that God had nothing to do with Frans Steyn's injury but everything to do with picking Zane above the others" .. how does that work then, god is in control is he not ?

      Epicurius - 2011-10-03 07:55

      @ Larry - Now it just looks like you were talking to yourself, since most of my comments from this thread have been removed. Anyway, you are probably quite happy with that - talking to yourself.

      Matt :-) - 2011-10-03 09:17

      “What strikes one immediately upon reading such a statement is the low estimate of the Bible which it entails. Whenever ‘science’ and the Bible are in conflict, it is always the Bible that, in one manner or another, must give way. We are not told that ‘science’ should correct its answers in light of Scripture. Always it is the other way around. Yet this is really surprising, for the answers which scientists have provided have frequently changed with the passing of time. The ‘authoritative’ answers of pre-Copernican scientists are no longer acceptable; nor, for that matter, are many of the views of twenty-five years ago.” EJ Young

      Mrs-C-all - 2011-10-03 17:19

      Read the article again. Zane does not claim that God intervened. He simply believes that God has a plan for his life. Makes perfect sense to me.

      Roger - 2011-10-03 22:12

      suppose a more realistic reason zane was chosen-as apposed to the 'big plan' theory- ahead of everyone else is to fill a quota, retrospectively.

  • Loams Roux - 2011-10-02 20:07

    Personally I would rather see Mvovo there. He is a way better player

      Epicurius - 2011-10-02 20:35

      No Loams, God wanted Kirchner there, can't you read? That's why he hurt Frans Steyn. Who are you to question the mysterious Almighty? Just kidding......

      Mike - 2011-10-03 15:16

      Maybe he has a better hair-style!

  • Markie - 2011-10-02 20:09

    So let's assume there is a God and he/she/it did plan for Kirchner to play in the rugby world cup, would that not mean that God has now affected the outcome of the Rugby world cup, what about the other countries participating in the world cup, would that not be unfair towards them?

      Ching Ching - 2011-10-03 09:03

      That's why there is much sh#t around the world at the moment, TWO!! tornados in SA, because god is busy watching the world cup, and interfering with the outcome.

  • Clif Evans - 2011-10-02 20:11

    Kirchner is so arrogant that he thinks his God chose him over other players because he is the 'chosen one.' Maybe he should become a faith healer.

  • brinjal - 2011-10-02 20:40

    Oh, I didn't know God gets involved in rugby & plans who plays & who doesn't, who gets injured & who doesn't.

  • Kobus Louw - 2011-10-02 20:44

    Dankie vir jou testimony Zane en die verkondiging van jou geloofsoortuiging! Ek respekteer dit en dis net jammer dat jou woorde so verdraai word deur die wat jou graag wil verkleineer. Sterkte in NZ. Bring die beker huis toe!

      GC - 2011-10-03 11:25

      just a thought, but how far does someone like Kirchner take this " God is in control" attitude. how hard does he try on the field if God is in control, in other words Kirchner doesnt control the outcome..... why go hard into a tackle and feel pain if the outcome of the tackle has already been taken care of??

  • Knave63 - 2011-10-02 21:05

    I guess god really stuck it to Frans Steyn then you imbecile!

  • Bulkalf - 2011-10-02 21:18

    Zane. Moet jou asb nie aan die negatiewe kommentaar steur nie. Dit is duidelik uit die kommentaar dat bitter min mense verstaan het wat jy bedoel. En dit is skrikwekkend !

      Epicurius - 2011-10-02 21:42

      Ons weet presies wat hy bedoel het, Bulkalf. Wat skrikwekkend is is dat hy nie besef dat vir hom in die wereld beker te speel, iemand anders moet ly. Dis nie deel van 'n groter geestelike plan. Dis net hoe dit gaan van tyd tot tyd, en as daar 'n oorsaak is vir sy ewekansige geleentheid, moet daar ook 'n oorsaak wees vir Frans Steyn se besering, en dit moet die selfde oorsaak wees, want Frans Steyn se besering IS Zane Kirchner se ewekansige geleentheid. Dink 'n bietjie daaroor.

  • Jacques - 2011-10-02 21:52

    They don"t pray so that God will let them win and the other team loose... They Pray for God to help them to do the best that they can be... Win or loose it's just a game....

  • SoulDaddy - 2011-10-02 21:54

    i check the spaghetti monster planned all this

  • Iron John - 2011-10-02 22:09

    Yes, it might feel that way given your enormous good fortune, but I frankly think the big fella has bigger things on his plate right now.

  • pjbrt - 2011-10-02 23:20

    I am always amazed at the sudden interest that is generated among atheists whenever God's name is mentioned!!! It seems that the whole country's atheist clubs awake and call each other to arms to 'fight' God. Small arrogant men against a mighty God.

      Epicurius - 2011-10-02 23:53

      @ pjbrt - Yes, wouldn't it be nice for you if you didn't have to be bothered by such pesky inconveniences as logic, reason and the obligation to present objective evidence. Heaven forbid you might have to think for yourself one day. Ignorance is bliss. Excuse me for encroaching on your bliss.

      Beyers van der Merwe - 2011-10-03 00:39

      "doth protest to much"? :-) Where does free will fit into all this? Don't we all have a choice in what we say or do? God does not mess with free will. Surely any thinking person would understand that. If you choose to play rugby, the consequence is that sometimes you get hurt. This is not a perfect world and no-one can blame God or satan for anything. It would only be perfect if we all lived in His will. It's like this, if I created something and I loved it, e.g.. my children, would I want to force them to love me or give them a choice? God did not create sin, man did. Sin is defined as not living in God's will for your life. Everybody has the right to make their own choices and whether Zane chose God, I can't say, in fact none of us can say. Did you even consider that perhaps he said it to keep the masses of Bulls supporters happy? Listen, I am for a good argument as much as the next guy, but you're not going to win this one be raising clever counter arguments etc. on - none of this is new - it's been argued to death. The truth is, it takes a lot of courage to change your whole life around at the risk of being ridiculed and mocked by your peers in accepting Jesus in your life. Obviously something really significant must have happened. So what if Zane said something stupid without thinking - who hasn't? Next time he'll do better. PS - I also think there are better fullbacks around, but we all know in sport "best" in not always the right choice

      Sophia777 - 2011-10-03 03:22

      It seems the "religious" community is doing enough damage on their own. Seriously.

      RandomDude - 2011-10-03 05:40

      " This is not a perfect world and no-one can blame God or satan for anything" Is god not the designer and creator of all that is in the world ? If it's not a perfect world then god made it that way therefore god should be blamed for the mess he created ? " I created something and I loved it, e.g.. my children, would I want to force them to love me or give them a choice? " You didn't create your children in the sense that god supposedly created man . God ,the infallible, designed and created man BUT he designed man with this flaw you see . A flaw that god, the omnipotent and all knowing, KNEW would eventually lead Adam to disobey god's will . If I were god I would design man the way I want them to be i.e. free willed but obedient ( kinda like my dog ) . How would you have done it ? Or I would at least lock down paradise so that the darn devil can't get in ... guess god just lost track of him and he wandered into paradise .. but wait.. god knew that was going to happen ? Or is god lying when he tells us in the bible that he is omnipotent , omnipresent ... and it goes on and on and on and on ..

      Ching Ching - 2011-10-03 07:17

      pjbrt - That is probably the 4th time that you posted exactly the same posting here. Is this your only contribution? Can't refute what others are saying? Really think the more you repeat it, the chances of it becoming true increases? We cannot fight/hate something that does not exist. Obviously you are too stupid and/or gullible to realize this. What really gets my goat is people like you basing their whole lives and every move on this fairy tale. But that's your problem. Unfortunately it spills over, and forces me to be an unwilling participant of it almost on a daily basis. Child abuse, children (mine included) being threatened from the day they can string two words together, that they had better believe or burn in hell. WTF!!? Worst of all, all of these christians think it perfectly normal. NOTHING wrong with it. My problem is not with your god, it is with YOU.

  • colin.crowther2 - 2011-10-02 23:56

    He's absolutely right - It was Gods plan after all.PDV thinks he's god - god rang Zane to arrange a plane to fly Zane and replace Steyn.

  • AJ2 - 2011-10-03 00:39

    Part of God's plan for his life? And God's plan for Frans was to get him injured? Seriously...

      Ching Ching - 2011-10-03 07:27

      You should remember, if something bad happens, it's the DEVIL. The devil attacked Frans, injured him, and god merely had the back-up plan to have Zane there. See, god can outsmart the devil any time. Ingenious move! People actually believe this...

      RandomDude - 2011-10-03 08:00

      But hang on a second .. didn't god create the devil .. hence god created evil .. so god is responsible for his creation / evil ?

  • pjbrt - 2011-10-03 00:55

    Hi Mike. Easy to believe. 'these people' are actually atheists and bitterly upset because of the Name of God. You really want them mad, mention the Name of Jesus. Don't believe for one moment that atheists do not believe in God. They do but hate Him just like their daddy.

      Ching Ching - 2011-10-03 07:41

      pjbrt - why would they be called athiests if they believed in god? What are they then? Disillusioned christians? To believe that god and jesus exists, you have to buy into that bible and religion stuff, and therefore know that there is a heaven and a hell. Therefore one must either be a practising or non-practising religious person. No athiests. Everybody knows god exists. Must scrap the word from the dictionary. Ignorant twat.

      Knave63 - 2011-10-03 17:41

      Oh you're very bright! You've worked it all out all by yourself.

  • Lekker Kiff - 2011-10-03 00:56

    Zane seems to be getting confused between "Gods plan" and "BEE plan"

      Ching Ching - 2011-10-03 07:47

      Think BEE plan is stronger than god's plan. Or maybe that was god's plan... No, dammit, now I am confused.

  • Dogmatic - 2011-10-03 01:02

    What a bunch of a-holes? I don't belief in God, but can see what he meant.He did not pray for Frans to get injured or cried in a corner when he was not selected. It is every players dream to play in the world cup and he thinks his faith made it possible. We have been winning but still people say div has no plan, I wonder what will happen if we loose? He is def on the pitch and will get a bigger bonus if we win the cup. OMG WTF get a life.

      Ching Ching - 2011-10-03 08:01

      Listen tjomma Dogmatic, please explain HOW was it god's plan for Zane to go there without Frans getting injured? Obviously, if he believes in god, and god wanted him there, but Frans was already there, god had to do something to get Frans here, to get Zane there, ie god's plan with Zane's life. How could it be different?

  • Sophia777 - 2011-10-03 01:07

    Suid Afrikaners (op News 24/Sport) is darem so nasty!!! Wat 'n stupid, dom, arrogante klomp mense. Shame on you. As die Springbokke wen, is dit nie vir julle nie! As die ou 'n verhouding en gebed vir God het, is dit sy en sy Maker se besigheid. As hy wil vertel van sy verhouding met sy God, is dit sy reg en tussen hom en God . Treurig. Rasse-haat en rugby-kennis is nou meer belangrik as iemand se verhouding met die Here.

      Roger - 2011-10-03 22:36

      Amen Ching Ching, excellent point.. If the idiot that is zane phrased things alot more intelligently like 'now that I have been chosen, may god be with me down under'. a lot more acceptable. admittedly he might not be so 'sharp' as to understand the inpact of what he is 'preaching', so unless he is planning a carreer change into the church then he should keep his comments to what he is supposedly capable

  • Sophia777 - 2011-10-03 01:12

    South Africans will destroy the Springboks. Nowhere in the All Black camp will you find this toxic drivel. Seems "die nasie" is on the road to self-destruction".

      Ching Ching - 2011-10-03 08:26

      Yes, and nowhere in their camp its thankyou jesus for this and thankyou jesus for that. At least they know that they worked hard THEMSELVES for developing their talents and can thank themselves for that. They do not have to rely on religion and god's plan to get them selected or to win games.

  • Nick Kruger - 2011-10-03 01:14

    I am not convinced that if there was an omnipotent being, that Zane would be high on the divine 'to do' list.

  • Karin Steenkamp - 2011-10-03 01:18

    Zane, I get what you are saying even though 95% of the people who commented here did not. I just knew that sensational News24 headline was going to lead to your words getting twisted out of context. Good luck and God bless.

  • Sophia777 - 2011-10-03 01:34

    South Africans are cannibalising themselves... with comments like this. Zane is a South African. It is not his fault Steyn in injured. He is merely saying thank you to God, for granting him an opportunity to serve. Sadly, he has to hear/read all the hateful comments from contributors to this space. I do believe, he will still deliver his utmost best, as Steyn would have. Some people are just great and rise above the scummy racist comments of this forum!

      MockTurtle - 2011-10-03 02:17

      he didn't thank the coach who selected him, nor all the people who supported him. i guess to him his selection has nothing to do with all the hard work he has put in nor the rugby skills he has honed... epic fail. but then again i used to thank Santa for my xmas pressies. then I turned four. i digress. what was your point again?

      Sophia777 - 2011-10-03 02:32

      @ Mock Turtle... My point is... someone selected him, he is thankful to his God. His right to be thankful. Is it your right to be couch patato critic (probably with a boep) to critisize his gratitude to his God. You have obviously never been a competitive sportsman?

      Ching Ching - 2011-10-03 08:20

      Yeah, with the amout of talent he's got, I would also be almighty thankful that I got selected.

  • dannyjoshua.israel - 2011-10-03 02:33

    you go Zane, you're a really hard worker on the field, and may the God of your salvation bless you with much success, Do it for Him first, then for your country.

  • Roman Moroni - 2011-10-03 02:41

    No Zane, maybe not God's plan (although I commend you for your faith). But SOMEBODY surely must have a plan that they are not telling us about (nudge-nudge, wink-wink - maybe something to do with numbers) to get a guy like you on the plane ahead of so many more deserving others... Wonder what the reasoning behind it would be? :-)

      Sophia777 - 2011-10-03 02:59

      @ Romani: How about when you're on your death-bed and you're a'praying for your salvation... someone says "nudge, nudge, wink, wink" he didn't really meant to committ the sins he did (I'll be kind an not mention a list of potential sins..) and God will say... Wow Roman... someone else loved his wife more, his child more... and earned more! C'mon!!!??? This guy has dedicated his life to the sport of rugby. LIke you have dedicated your life to whatever it is. Are you the "Steyn" of husbands, fathers, sons? If you were the absolute best, I'll humbly ask your forgiveness. According to your logic, Steyn is better and your faith and life does not matter

  • dannyjoshua.israel - 2011-10-03 02:58

    Zane, do'nt be disturbed by a bunch of unbelieving infedels, they're all just ignorant to the serving of such a Great and Mighty and loving God. I pray for God to give you enough try's {points} to shove their {the critics} idiot statements where the sun do'nt shine!!!!!!!!!!!

      RandomDude - 2011-10-03 06:27

      gee danny thanks for witnessing to us ( not ) and bearing those lovely christian fruits of love!!!

      Epicurius - 2011-10-03 11:31

      @ pjbrt - OK, now I see where you get the 'evil, bitter aggression' from. Oh wait, that is from one of your own? Who'd have thunk a Christian would use such vile 'evil, bitter aggressive' words?

      Knave63 - 2011-10-06 22:15

      Very christian of you Danny!

  • aquinas - 2011-10-03 03:01

    So God caused Steyn's injury to advance His plan for Kirchner's life?

      Sophia777 - 2011-10-03 03:07

      You are obviously equating God's plan and logic to your own. Kirchner is thankful he has this opportunity. Plain and simple. You have the choice of supporting the Springbok team member left standing... or you can choose to betray him and his team. The Springboks need supporters. Period. If you can't support Zane... start doing the Haka!

  • Ingletor - 2011-10-03 03:28

    Zane Kirchner reminds me of Sideshow Bob from The Simpsons :)

  • Mickey Fin - 2011-10-03 05:11

    It is with a heavy heart that I read these comments from people who want to mock and ridicule our Creator. I cannot tell you why He allowed one player to benefit from another’s misfortune, but I can tell you firsthand experience that my Saviour is mightier than anyone or anything on this earth. That is why we as mere mortals will never understand just how He works. I do know however, that He is a forgiving God and will give you all a chance. Turn you back against him at your own peril

  • Bennie - 2011-10-03 05:28

    Baie geluk met jou 'call up' en geniet jou tyd saam met die ouens. Ek sien egter nie dat ZK speelkans sal kry nie. Dit is uitklop games en hy is daar vir die 'back up'. Ek dink dis n voorreg om net daar te kan wees!

  • freddy.mactavish - 2011-10-03 06:13

    @ clarke kent u r such a WANKER!!!! Keep ur stupid comments to urself, or reveal urself so that I can come give u a proper Hiding!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Kevin - 2011-10-03 06:23

    Proverbs 16:9 In his heart a man plans his course, but the LORD determines his steps. Go Bokke Go !!!

      MockTurtle - 2011-10-03 07:53

      Psalm 50:9 and i shall take no bull from your house true story. you can look it up too. i guess he forgot zane was a blue bull. lol.