Steyn blow bigger than Carter

2011-10-03 07:45

Wellington - Losing Frans Steyn to injury was a far more detrimental blow to South Africa’s Rugby World Cup ambitions than the loss of Dan Carter may be to the All Blacks, Springbok coach Peter de Villiers said on Monday.

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“Yes I think it (the injury to Steyn) is much bigger,” said De Villiers.

“He was one of those starts to us and coming to the World Cup he came as a fullback and we were forced to use him at centre and then he just he showed us what his value is as a player and a team man.”

The French based Springbok picked up a tournament ending shoulder injury during his team’s 13-5 victory over Samoa on Friday.

Carter, widely regarded as the best player in the world, sustained a groin injury in training ahead of his team’s 79-15 demolition of Canada.

Steyn was far more physical in midfield than any of his predecessors and De Villiers hoped that he could fulfil that role for the duration of the tournament – as he did at the 2007 World Cup in France.

“We are going to miss him, definitely,” said the Springbok mentor.

Losing Steyn also means that the Springboks will no longer have a specialist long range goal kicker in their side.

De Villiers said that it could prompt the opposition to be more lax when competing for the ball at the tackle area.

“Frans Steyn is a big blow to us, but then again if the breakdown is there (in range where Steyn used to convert penalties) then they will definitely target it more, but we will just have a to see that we play a territory game.

As for Sunday’s quarter final contest, De Villiers said that the battle at the breakdown between the Springboks’ Heinrich Brussow and Wallaby fetcher David Pocock will have a big impact on the final result.

“Australia are really very good at breakdown time and that is where they play from when they get turnovers, so we will have to look after our ball carefully and try to secure and put phases together and make it difficult for them.

“We have two of the best the best players that play to the ball in world rugby on the field this weekend so it is going to be a great contest."

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  • Theuns - 2011-10-03 07:54

    Play Spies at inside centre....!

      BigR - 2011-10-03 07:58

      Bloody hell, he can't tackle; only stops people when they run into him!

      Johnny-BB - 2011-10-03 07:59

      yes, ...Jean de Villiers will weaken the Proteas back line.... .....intercept-can't-tackle-de-villiers....

      chappy - 2011-10-03 08:06

      It'll be harder for him to run sideways from Inside Centre, there's all those pesky Springbok backline players in the way.

      Facts - 2011-10-03 09:08

      Don't play Spies at all.

      theprodigy - 2011-10-03 09:12

      Johnny BB, you must be related to that inbreed Maouri

      AMS-Dammer - 2011-10-03 09:25

      MINE IS BIGGER THAN YOURS.... How childish!

      Joe15 - 2011-10-03 09:33

      I dont understand why everybody is giving Theuns the thumbs down. I have played against Pierre and believe me, he would be able to fill the position. I don't think it is the best idea I have ever heard, but it's not as proposterous as everybody makes it out to be. A good example is Aleisi Tuilagi who was taken from 8th man to wing by Saracens and became one of the most successful wingers in the Guinness Premiership and now playing on the wing for his country. O yes, when I played against Pierre, he was playing left wing...

      Chronoman - 2011-10-03 10:06

      Why? So that he has more space to run across the field. The guy does not know where to move to when he has ball in hand. And he is supposed to be a Bok.

      nic - 2011-10-03 15:38

      seriously. he has no ball sense. It's a miracle every time he catches a ball.

      Roy - 2011-10-05 21:20

      Spies goes backwards,never gains grownd,such a big strong man,cannot run over through players,easily brought down,he is quick!No Bobby Skinstad,but he does add value tall,big!

  • GHT - 2011-10-03 07:58

    I actually agree with divvy on this one.

      René Müller - 2011-10-03 08:16

      @GHT, so do I for the simple reason (and I refer to the RWC2011 only), that Steyn has been extremely prominent for the Bokke and has made a huge difference to our backline whereas Dan Carter has not been so prominent for the AB's so far. Sure, the AB's will mis Carter but I think the Bokke willl miss the physicality of Steyn more! I'm afraid to say that JdV has lost his shine and has become a very ordinary player!

      Daniel - 2011-10-03 08:28

      The loss of Carter will mean more to the AB's confidence and tendency to choke. We've won without Frans Steyn before. We are inconvenienced; they are starting to panic.

      René Müller - 2011-10-03 08:39

      @Daniel, true - The AB's loss is more of a 'mental & confidence' one! Dan Carter is a brilliant player, make no mistake, but haven't seen much of that brilliance at the W/C hence my comment. Anyway, this is RWC and all the teams suffer injuries, we must just rise above it!

      Daw57 - 2011-10-03 09:39

      Well, we still have our No 1 kicker. Steyn won the series against the Lions with his boot - and I can remember a few long range efforts as well. And Lambie can also kick very well, if Steyn should be injured. The ABs have lost Mr Reliable. They will now have to rely on Slade, who has a so-so record, and Piri Weepu will be his backup. Carter's loss is definitely a huge blow. Funny thing: before the World Cup the De Villiers-Fourie combination was regarded as one of the best (if not the best) in world rugby!

      Lionel - 2011-10-03 09:56

      Looking for excuses should the Boks not get past the quarter finals and you can also use the excuse that Bryce Lawrence is the ref.

      whereu - 2011-10-03 11:12

      Daniel, I think it would be a big mistake to underestimate the depth of NZ rugby. They could beat any team without Dan Carter. I am Bok supporter, but know that NZ is swimming in class players.

      SonderSnor - 2011-10-03 11:13

      Agree. Just remenber that this same Divvy gave Adie Jacobs a "A" Springbok contract after the previous World Cup and left Frans to go and look for a job elsewhere.

  • Ya Beauty! - 2011-10-03 07:59

    If thre is nothing to write about let's not write idiotic headlines, everyone knows that no Team in the world can replace Carter. De Villiers is not a bad replacement for Frans. De Villiers knows that this is his last chance to impress. Lambie at the back gives the Boks more variety than they have had for many years..

      roboman1 - 2011-10-03 09:54

      I agree with Div the coach, with Steyn in our team, the All Blacks had to change their game plan, they had to change the way they play and change their strategy, whereas Carter or no Carter, we still play the same way against them. So I reckon Steyn is a bigger loss! Anyway, the All Blacks are prone to choke in the WC , with or without Danny boy

  • rockurassoff - 2011-10-03 07:59

    Theuns - I like your suggestion!

  • The Hock - 2011-10-03 08:01

    Yes, Frans is a huge loss, but we need to move forward now. All this talking about it is just making me more nervous for Sunday! Let's focus on the fact that we still have a great team, Jean will be keen to prove himself at centre again, and the Aussies have quite a few injury worries of their own! We've just come out of a tough warm-up game and we can win this!!! Go Bokke!!

  • thyspelser - 2011-10-03 08:01

    Move JS from outside to inside centre.

      Johnny-BB - 2011-10-03 08:08

      ...move JS back home....

  • Peter Oosthuizen - 2011-10-03 08:03

    BIG blow to the Boks, we have other great centers but Steyn has unique skills - cannot replace him.

      Blougroen - 2011-10-03 09:30

      Except the Coach initially didnt want to play Frans Steyn - as he believed he got to slow in France - but then he initially also didnt want Brussouw and Morne Steyn . . . .

      slg - 2011-10-03 19:26

      If only initially he hadn't applied for the job. But we're making do with all the senior players. The big problem will be if we actually win this thing. People in authority who know nothing about rugby will think Peter was the reason, and we'll be saddled with him for who knows how long.

      Roy - 2011-10-05 21:31

      Yes Stein a big blow,but we have Butch who can kick,tackel hard,Hougaard who is hard to catch,stop,so loads of other option's too! All Blacks going to choke Carter is there un-doing watch!!

  • OnSide - 2011-10-03 08:09

    Tell that to the All Blacks, PDV.

  • Ogunsipe - 2011-10-03 08:14

    PdV - Didn't you hear - it was God's will???

  • Dan - 2011-10-03 08:15

    Funny how just a month ago every Bok supporter and every SA sport reporter gave a mouth full over the inclusion of a "pathetic" or totally out of form Steyn. A month later and he is the national hero and whithout him we won't be able to survive. We are a pathetic sport nation and our sportmanship suck as supporters. We see this same treatment our players get way too often. By the way, there is no bigger loss in world rugby at this stage than Daniel Carter. Take this pathetic piece of sport reporting and shove it up your ass.

      Lionel - 2011-10-03 10:07

      Well put and said Dan and agree whole heartedly.

      Balsakhater - 2011-10-03 10:38

      I agree, now every body is bad mouthing Zane Kirchner , and by Murphies law he will do a match saving try or kick and then suddenly he is a hero. Why cant we just believe in our players and support them.

      Manyoza - 2011-10-03 12:10

      Well said, fully agree. Zane will do well although he is not a F.Steyn. We have depth to overcome this, but I would have been a whole lot happier with Steyn in the team. The AB's have an easier ride to the semi's than we do, but in my patriotic opinion, we will beat the Ozzie's.

      Gunston500 - 2011-10-03 13:08

      Steyn- brilliant, Carter- useless in comparison and value to their side.

  • Hannetjie - 2011-10-03 08:17

    Frans Steyn's injury is a big loss, but with the right team selection and each Bok player doing his best we can beat the Aussies!!!!! Go Bokke!!!!!

      Caporocks - 2011-10-03 08:31

      I agree....

  • jacques - 2011-10-03 08:27

    Dan Carter is the Best in the World in his position...and Goldilocks? It is now clear to me that PDiv doesn't know a thing about rugby. He also doesn't trust the abilities of the other 14 players on the field. The problem is and has always been that the Proteas has no depth in their team.

      adrian.berghoff - 2011-10-03 08:55

      The "Proteas" are at home son, preparing for the Aussies.

      Bennie - 2011-10-03 09:03

      What PdV said (and i agree with him) was that the Aus would take chances knowing no one can kick the long shots....they know Morne can take it from the 50m mark but Frans was capable of 65m. Thats 15m where they had to play more to the they can afford to play the ref more. Dan is a big loss but with Piri there, they will be just as dangerous if not more! Hope they dont play him...hehe

      Jaco - 2011-10-03 10:34

      Shame, jacques's been trying to get his "Proteas" idea catch on, but nobody's falling for his juvenile trick. Give it up jacques.

      Jacques Ackermann - 2011-10-03 14:21

      jacques jys net n d*&s jammer om te sê

  • amabok - 2011-10-03 08:28

    Steyn is a big a loss but the rate at which he is putting on weight he may contest for spot at prop for the next world cup.

      Jacques Ackermann - 2011-10-03 14:07

      he picks not more weight up as JDV losses skills and speed.

  • Anneleen - 2011-10-03 08:30

    Francois Steyn, dankie vir jou 21-punt bydrae vir die Sprinbokke...sterkte met jou operasie. Surely am gonna miss those long-range penalties and side-stepping!!!

  • Duwayne - 2011-10-03 08:32

    Losing Steyn is a massive loss but as a center combination, de Villiers and Fourie are solid and still pose a threat. Let's hope none of them get injured, then it's time to worry. Go Bokke!!!!

      Johnny-BB - 2011-10-03 08:42

      .....jean de Villiers = paloooooooka.....

      Jamal - 2011-10-03 08:53

      Johnny-BB = Retarded inbred moron

      theprodigy - 2011-10-03 09:15

      hey thats what I said about John BB, must be intuition.

      Johnny-BB - 2011-10-03 11:34

      Jamal, you still have your front teeth...???

  • gc - 2011-10-03 08:52

    Rugby is a sport of collisions. Injuries are bound to occur hence the selection of a squad of 30 players pus 12 reserves(@home). Who ever iss going to replace him must just slot in and do his bit for the team cause. Dropping 60 metre goals and slotting penalties from that sort of range cannot be the foundation of a teams plan. If the oopertunity comes you take it, but you cant really train for those scenarios. What would be missed is the direction that he gave to the backline when on attack and his decision making in midfield.The other reason for mr Steyns succes the last ouple of games there is his explosive nis when involved in play. This would be the key to success in the rest of the tournament. The race to the gainline(attack or defence) will deterimine our destiny. Therefore a player like Juan de Jongh can play a major part in this tournament. Furthermore now, more than ever it is important for Fouri du Preez to aarive at the party cos the country needs him...

  • MaestroX - 2011-10-03 08:58

    Sorry guys but Frans Steyn has surprised many including myself at his distribution skills and strength when on offense or defence.. He has shown us exactly how ordinary Jean De Villiers has become. I was always a relatively big fan of JdV but of late he does very little on offense except like Habana tries to go for the interception. Can't remember the last time he flung out a long pass to a player in space like FS has been doing in this world cup. This is as big a loss as we could have with the exception of maybe HB or BdP. This is not the end for us, if JdV plays well and the rest of the guys pull together we can most certainly still beat the Aussies and the AB’s. It’s just going to be a little bit tougher. We can still win it! Go bokke!!!

  • - 2011-10-03 09:01

    The World Cup has been an excuse for the past 2 years poor Springbok performances. A lot of people have wasted a lot of time and money watching below strength Springbok teams. We don't won't to hear any more excuses.

  • theprodigy - 2011-10-03 09:11

    losing Frans will not have an impact on the game against Aus, we won't get any penalties with lawrence "reffing"

  • SNG62 - 2011-10-03 09:12

    Don't worry PDiv - it was divine intervention (just ask the chop Kirchner). :) More seriously though, Theuns, I think you may be onto something there!

  • Jack Turner - 2011-10-03 09:16

    Rene Muller :::::: dont behave or comment, like the fool that Peter DeVilliers is. He is the biggest Prick that has had anything to do with South African Rugby.. Yes, Why try to compare the two. Frans Steyn is a massive loss to the Boks.....Just as Dan Carter is to The All Blacks.

  • theprodigy - 2011-10-03 09:18

    Losing Carter is punishment for their collusion with Somoa to injure Bok players, now we wait to see if McCheat is actually injured or if the All Brats are up to their desperate tricks again, I hope Mc Cheats bunion really plays up.

      aus_beats_sa - 2011-10-03 10:23

      @prodigy.. Congrats bud, sa world carjacking champs again.. The proteas are the worlds greatest chokers as at least the Abs have won one WC. Please take your antiretrovirals and don't mix them with booze.. Ps. Dating ur sister is bad.

      Tamzin M - 2011-10-03 10:54

      Go stand on your head china!!!

  • Factual Fred - 2011-10-03 09:21

    I would like to extend my heartfelt congratulations to Johnny-BB. He is now officially the biggest troll (and idiot) on every site that he chooses for a contribution. This really takes some doing!! You have made your point, so please go away and leave the discussions to those interested in sharing opinions that make sense.

  • Met Uysh! - 2011-10-03 09:24

    Reading some comments here I am surprised people saying PDiv doesn't know what he's talking about....

      Lionel - 2011-10-03 11:02

      Yep, he does not know what he is talking about in terms of Steyn been a bigger loss than Carter. The question that should be asked is does anyone ever know what PDiv is talking about?

  • Lionel - 2011-10-03 09:46

    What absolute crap spoken once again by Peter de Villiers that Frans Steyn in a bigger loss than Dan Carter. The Boks supposely have the best centre pairing in the world according to Peter de Villiers, in Jacque Fourie and Jean de Villiers, with the latter been back to full fitness and this has always been his first choice at centre. Lambie is just as good a player as Frans Steyn at fullback and the only thing the Boks will miss is Frans Steyns long range kicking. The All Blacks have lost the best flyhalf in the world and their number one kicker and play maker and their loss is far greater. Even as a AB's supporter, there is not a flyhalf in NZ that has 60% of the skills and capabilities of Dan Carter. Frans Styen is far from been the best centre or full back in the world. I think Peter de Villiers is already using this as an excuse should the Boks not make it past the quarter finals or even as an excuse should they reach the final and not retain the Webb Ellis Trophy.

  • david.sportsman - 2011-10-03 09:53

    You do not take guys like Jean, Butch and De Jongh with and then play Spies at centre...come on people? If you want to make a comment, think it through first.

  • buzzliteyear - 2011-10-03 09:58

    Spies at Centre, not a bad idea, would be much better on the wing for his speed. he was always a wing, then switched to 8th man so he knows the position!

  • Colin Harding - 2011-10-03 10:06

    Interesting PdV has by implication that Frans Steyn is more important than Dan Carter admitted that South Africa play Jake whites kick and chase game, so much for a transformed individual thinking expansive South Africa. What has he done over the last 4 years

      Met Uysh! - 2011-10-03 10:28

      Frans Steyn only played centre for Jake White because Jean de Villiers got injured. Nothing to do with White vs Div here, wake up.

  • The Goose - 2011-10-03 10:17

    Div, let the kid kick the long range penalties!

  • Chief Kok - 2011-10-03 10:29

    Wie is Steyn???

      Factual Fred - 2011-10-03 10:59

      Wie is Carter?

      Hermanus Smith - 2011-10-03 13:59

      You are a Steyn on sport 24!!!

  • Don1 - 2011-10-03 10:42

    Play Juan De Jongh @ inside centre

      Jacques Ackermann - 2011-10-03 14:18

      juan is a great talent just one problem tough is he is a more natural 13. he is a line runner not a ball distributor. i feel he can be one off the best no 13's in the game but a no 12 requires a different skill set to make you a world class inside center. he does not have the speed and width on the pass like franna steyn has.

  • Tamzin M - 2011-10-03 10:46

    "Losing Frans Steyn to injury was a far more detrimental blow to South Africa’s Rugby World Cup ambitions than the loss of Dan Carter may be to the All Blacks". . .wat the hell makes Steyne more important? Each loss is just as detrimental than the other to their team. . .you cant compare it!!!

  • Cuzin - 2011-10-03 13:02

    Have anybody noticed that Jacque Fourie haven't delivered as he usually does. I think it's because of Steyn playing at 12. I believe that once Jean is back, Jacque will be his old self again and put in performances which would make-up for Steyn's loss. We shouldn't compare Jean & Steyn, just as we shouldn't compare John with Bismarck. Every player has his own style and brings something different to the game. I am not worried or nervous or scared that Steyn's departure would weaken our beloved Springbok side.

      Jacques Ackermann - 2011-10-03 14:14

      what have you been smoking buddy ???...have you not watched the last 4 years of horrific backline play at he springboks and stormers ????. how can a star studded side like the stormers have scored so little points for ??? even with grant the best 10 around JDV still looks like a droopy eyed armless child. steyn offers the type of ball that our outside backs feed off. JP peterson and co started looking like proper wingers. not the crash car dummys like we are used to see.

  • Kuppy - 2011-10-03 16:31

    I often think that when Div makes stupid statements i think no he can't say anything more stupid then there he goes and comes out with something more outrageous. PDiv Dan Carter is the best flyhalf in the world by far, it was only the other day you said that Frans Steyn is not up to the quality of southern emisphere rugby standard.

  • Tommy - 2011-10-03 17:56

    Big blow to his team mates.They will miss him in the bath after the game

  • meyerdu - 2011-10-03 18:09

    johnny bb u dumb idiot ..............its the springboks not the protea's idiot if u knew anything about rugby u would know...but clearly u dont u idiot

  • 722 - 2011-10-03 19:58

    I rather play De Jongh at inside center at least yuo would be quarentee defence and spark.

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